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The Amzn verbiage for this Wise SBL-1000 set says that these ball end keys can handle higher torque which is always a good thing. But are there any alternative mfrs for sets with a handle like this that aren't quite as spendy?


Or I could buy the handle separately and buy a more reasonably-priced key set.


I see that @jptbay bought this set in Feb and I could swear I've seen others post pics of this handle. If this set is simply just that damn good, I've got it in my cart ready to go.
 
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I only unboxed it but didn’t use it yet. It doesn’t appear to be heavy duty at all. The break handle design is definitely not new, but I like many Vessel products so I thought I’d give it shot. Sounds like a mediocre tool, but I’ll use over the next few weeks.
Yeah by all means use it, maybe it's just mine that was bad. I like the feel of the handle, but It's definitely on the weaker side due to the t design.
 

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The Amzn verbiage for this Wise SBL-1000 set says that these ball end keys can handle higher torque which is always a good thing. But are there any alternative mfrs for sets with a handle like this that aren't quite as spendy?


Or I could buy the handle separately and buy a more reasonably-priced key set.


I see that @jptbay bought this set in Feb and I could swear I've seen others post pics of this handle. If this set is simply just that damn good, I've got it in my cart ready to go.
I have that set. I haven't had to chance to use it too much yet, but it seems to be of good quality. I think it's worth it at that price. You're not really going to be saving much buying a different set and the handle separately, plus it's nice having the holder for everything.
 

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Someone buy this, cause I'm in Germany and I can't!
 

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The deal I'm referring to ships from amazon Japan and it's for US if I understand correctly. Other combinations aren't included in the offer. Doesn't the link that I sent you display $25 price or sth like that? This in that link is not that and it ships from Japan. The price is normal, but not $25
Yes, your link works, I got it after my post. Thanks 😊
 

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Yes, your 100% on the mirror.

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Made in USA! I can’t find to many made in USA inspection mirrors here in the States, but I can find one made by a Japanese tool company and import it. :ROFLMAO: (y)



Ullman is the leading USA pick and inspection mirror manufacturer.


Actually, these look to be made by Ullman!!!
 
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RE: "Made in USA! I can’t find to many made in USA inspection mirrors here in the States"

ARMSTRONG Made in U.S.A. 2-1/4" diameter inspection mirror with HEX SHANK that won't twist around and get knocked out of alignment when you bump it into the exhaust manifold. $6.00 from Cripe Distributing

Do NOT order from Cripe through ebay. You will pay more.
DO order Cripe directly from their website.
SIGN UP as a member to take advantage of their monthly discount program.
BUY a bunch of stuff all at once, because you are going to pay shipping on it.
 

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He knows. He's been told. Less than 3 weeks ago in this very thread in fact. He's basically trolling at this point.

Please. I'm sure I've got $400+ in Koken sockets. "Tell me", with facts about how great Kokens ratchets are.

Besides the typical defense of "OMG, the back drag and knurling", which I can accept if those are your two main desires, why should I buy a Koken 72T ratchet instead of a Gearwrench 90T? And I don't care that Koken is stamped "Japan". Nor that the selector switch is in the "wrong direction".

Koken availability in the US?
Palmac/Koken USA, and DRPD. Who else?

80%? of the Koken ratchet selection is still less than 40T. Stuck in the 1970s using the "Proto" style mechanism that was probably developed in 1940.

How many new 72T ratchets has Koken released in the last two years? They apparently don't give a **** about trying to keep up.

GW 90T beats Koken in every category except back drag. And the GW backdrag is more than good enough to thread a clean fastener without needing to touch the socket. So, I should buy koken ratchet because?

I downloaded the entire Koken catalog 4? years ago when their 72T ratchets came out. I looked thru every page to decide on their ratchets. I was underwhelmed by the selection. I downloaded it a few months ago, looked thru every page, I didn't see anything new in ratchets.

I know this is all heresy to not worship a Japanese mfr in the "Japan" thread, but I'm realistic.

Would I buy a Stahwille ratchet? No. Do I have $250+ in Stahwille wrenches? Yes.
 

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Koken availability in the US?
Palmac/Koken USA, and DRPD. Who else?
I can't speak to those. I buy Koken ratchets on Amazon. I just checked and the last one I bought could be delivered to my house within the week for free (despite the holidays).
80%? of the Koken ratchet selection is still less than 40T. Stuck in the 1970s using the "Proto" style mechanism that was probably developed in 1940.
I mean, if you can just pull numbers like 80% out of your ***, I feel like I can speculate that they are probably selling a much higher percentage of their newer zeal 72 tooth ratchets which, by all accounts, they spent a lot of time perfecting to be able to maintain similar strength and back drag to their previous models while significantly increasing the tooth count. These were all released in the last couple years.
How many new 72T ratchets has Koken released in the last two years? They apparently don't give a **** about trying to keep up.
GW 90T beats Koken in every category except back drag. And the GW backdrag is more than good enough to thread a clean fastener without needing to touch the socket. So, I should buy koken ratchet because?
It's funny you can simply dismiss back drag as an overstated feature and claim that the gearwrench is "good enough" but you throw tooth count around like it's the end-all be all. Gearwrench's own 120 ratchets proved that's not the case. The mechanism is so stiff the ratchet, for all its gears, performed terribly on the arc swing test you're so fond of on Project Farm, being beat by several ratchets with far fewer teeth, including the Koken.

So why should you buy a Koken? You shouldn't! No one is trying to force you to buy one. But showing up in every thread that discusses them (including the current industrial maintenance ratchet thread where many of the popular contenders have very few teeth) and bashing them because you believe that they are "ancient technology" is getting tiresome.
 
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Please. I'm sure I've got $400+ in Koken sockets. "Tell me", with facts about how great Kokens ratchets are.

Besides the typical defense of "OMG, the back drag and knurling", which I can accept if those are your two main desires, why should I buy a Koken 72T ratchet instead of a Gearwrench 90T? And I don't care that Koken is stamped "Japan". Nor that the selector switch is in the "wrong direction".

Koken availability in the US?
Palmac/Koken USA, and DRPD. Who else?

80%? of the Koken ratchet selection is still less than 40T. Stuck in the 1970s using the "Proto" style mechanism that was probably developed in 1940.

How many new 72T ratchets has Koken released in the last two years? They apparently don't give a **** about trying to keep up.

GW 90T beats Koken in every category except back drag. And the GW backdrag is more than good enough to thread a clean fastener without needing to touch the socket. So, I should buy koken ratchet because?

I downloaded the entire Koken catalog 4? years ago when their 72T ratchets came out. I looked thru every page to decide on their ratchets. I was underwhelmed by the selection. I downloaded it a few months ago, looked thru every page, I didn't see anything new in ratchets.

I know this is all heresy to not worship a Japanese mfr in the "Japan" thread, but I'm realistic.

Would I buy a Stahwille ratchet? No. Do I have $250+ in Stahwille wrenches? Yes.
Why buy a GW90T when their 120XP has 33% more teeth? Or why waste your time with the 120teeth of the 120XP when the craftsman overdrive has 180teeth? More teeth = more better, right? Or at least that seems to be your argument
 

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Koken makes some of the best ratchets out there and some of the worst as well. I love the design, I can't cope with the 10 year wait to have a long zeal 1/2 ratchet, or long sockets. And since when is it an excuse that Koken is only a socket specialist manufacturer. They even make a long grip breaker bar, they could just adapt a flex joint ratchet head. What should I do, buy Hazet and have everything mismatched?
 

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I'm looking to make a few stops to buy some tools while I'm in Japan. Does anyone have recommendations for shops to check out in Tokyo or Sapporo? When I search online it's mostly focused on woodworking tools, blades, etc but nothing definitive for hand tools and the like.
 

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I'm looking to make a few stops to buy some tools while I'm in Japan. Does anyone have recommendations for shops to check out in Tokyo or Sapporo? When I search online it's mostly focused on woodworking tools, blades, etc but nothing definitive for hand tools and the like.

Factory Gear in Tokyo is a tool lover's paradise. Make sure to bring your passport to shop tax fee.

 

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Please. I'm sure I've got $400+ in Koken sockets. "Tell me", with facts about how great Kokens ratchets are.

Besides the typical defense of "OMG, the back drag and knurling", which I can accept if those are your two main desires, why should I buy a Koken 72T ratchet instead of a Gearwrench 90T? And I don't care that Koken is stamped "Japan". Nor that the selector switch is in the "wrong direction".

Koken availability in the US?
Palmac/Koken USA, and DRPD. Who else?

80%? of the Koken ratchet selection is still less than 40T. Stuck in the 1970s using the "Proto" style mechanism that was probably developed in 1940.

How many new 72T ratchets has Koken released in the last two years? They apparently don't give a **** about trying to keep up.

GW 90T beats Koken in every category except back drag. And the GW backdrag is more than good enough to thread a clean fastener without needing to touch the socket. So, I should buy koken ratchet because?

I downloaded the entire Koken catalog 4? years ago when their 72T ratchets came out. I looked thru every page to decide on their ratchets. I was underwhelmed by the selection. I downloaded it a few months ago, looked thru every page, I didn't see anything new in ratchets.

I know this is all heresy to not worship a Japanese mfr in the "Japan" thread, but I'm realistic.

Would I buy a Stahwille ratchet? No. Do I have $250+ in Stahwille wrenches? Yes.

How can you be so sure they **** if you never actually tried a Ko-ken 72T Zeal Ratchet?

I get that you might want longer tools and bigger handles for working on USA sized trucks etc, but the Zeal line is more about slimming the tools down a shade to work on more compact stuff like Japanese Cars and Motorcycles IMHO.
 

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Factory Gear in Tokyo is a tool lover's paradise. Make sure to bring your passport to shop tax fee.

Awesome - will make sure to stop there. Thanks for the tip.
 
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I'm looking to make a few stops to buy some tools while I'm in Japan. Does anyone have recommendations for shops to check out in Tokyo or Sapporo? When I search online it's mostly focused on woodworking tools, blades, etc but nothing definitive for hand tools and the like.
Japan resident here 🫡.

Factory gear Tokyo - Second floor of the mall. The train station is attached to the mall so it easy to get lost. They have everything you want at the store.

Astro products - The japanese Harbor freight but way better. They have the same product, even the famous one of a kind 90t icon ratchets that HF design(JK 😋). They also offer all the japanese brands(Koken, ktc, tone)

Tool Second hand stores if the are you going has any. Most tool based stores are outside the center of Tokyo. A little more travel to do.
 

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How can you be so sure they **** if you never actually tried a Ko-ken 72T Zeal Ratchet?

I get that you might want longer tools and bigger handles for working on USA sized trucks etc, but the Zeal line is more about slimming the tools down a shade to work on more compact stuff like Japanese Cars and Motorcycles IMHO.
I can vouch for the benefits of the Zeal line. I replaced an alternator on a Toyota for a family member this week and the 1/4 drive and sockets were perfect. The instructional video I watched talked about needing various height sockets and extensions to get to the different bolts, but I had plenty of clearance with just my Zeal stuff. I didn't need any of the rest of the tools I packed.
 

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I just returned from the last of a handful of extended layovers in Japan, while I was in a nearby country for work. I have a few experiences that might be of interest to those in this thread.

Blackship Pickup
One layover I had around 6 hours and made one of my goals for that one to pickup the dozen or so packages I had sitting at Blackship.
Overall the process was ok. They say to give lots of notice of pickups but I gave them around 24 hours due to last minute travel plans. I didn’t get an email confirming a pickup time but they invoiced me for the pickup so I decided to head there anyway.
The location is easy to find. Take the train to Motomachi and walk maybe 5 minutes around the corner to the obvious location of Blackship with the large loading dock.
There’s no reception or lobby, you basically just walk into the doorway of the warehouse and make some noise until someone finds you.
The helpful employee found my package after a bit of searching and helped to add some extra packing tape.
I was running low on time so I got a taxi back to Haneda Airport. While I was in the taxi I got an email from Blackship (5 minutes before the end of my requested pickup window) that they wouldn’t be able to process the pickup and they needed more time. I replied with a photo I took of me holding the package in their warehouse.
I was stretching the pickup conditions, but I do feel like for pickup they could be a little more accommodating on the timelines. 2-3 days to prepare for a pickup is a bit long. I should be able to come pickup the packages with a few hours notice. You also have to enter all the customs information even when you pick things up which is pointless. My last gripe is they charge quite a lot for the pickup service, almost as much as the cheapest sea mail shipping option.
I’d love to find a service like Blackship that was more flexible and cost effective for pickups. Like a 30-45 day Amazon locker. Or if Blackship could improve their pickup service that would be a good solution too.

Factory Gear (and other tool stores)
I visited the Factory Gear stores both in Osaka and Tokyo. The Osaka Namba store was great, plenty of stock, walking distance from Dotonburi and late opening hours. I only bought a few items at the Osaka store, figuring I would pickup the Koken impact socket sets I was after in Tokyo at the end of the trip, that was a mistake.
The Tokyo store in comparison was really disappointing. It’s much harder to get to, but also had much less stock. I must have done 4 or 5 laps of the small store looking for the Anex and Vessel screwdrivers that the Osaka store had, but they didn’t have any.
I wouldn’t recommend making the long hike out to the Tokyo store if you can visit the other locations. Maybe I caught them at a bad time, but their stocks and range seems really low, especially of the Koken. The Osaka store even had maybe 4x the clothing swag which was odd since the Tokyo store is supposed to be the flagship store.
Both stores were more expensive than I expected, with some items having a decent markup over Amazon. One Koken socket set I was looking at was around 18,000 yen in the store after tax free, but only around 14,000 yen on Amazon Japan with tax. The physical stores are a fun experience and well worth it, but if your goal is to actually buy specific tools I’d use Amazon Japan and the many Amazon locker locations. You won’t get tax free but you will save some money and not risk things being out of stock in store. I’d leave the Factory Gear tools for oddball things Amazon doesn’t have, and small souvenir purchases.

I’d also recommend trying to get to one of the larger more regional Joyful Honda store. These don’t have Koken or Nepros but for Anex, Vessel, KTC and even Wrea/Knipex/PB, these huge home improvement stores have a large amount of stock.
 
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I can vouch for the benefits of the Zeal line. I replaced an alternator on a Toyota for a family member this week and the 1/4 drive and sockets were perfect. The instructional video I watched talked about needing various height sockets and extensions to get to the different bolts, but I had plenty of clearance with just my Zeal stuff. I didn't need any of the rest of the tools I packed.

That's where I'm at with 3/8" drive, Ko-ken Zeal for tight access, Snap-On dual 80 for regular stuff, Facom for Brute force.

I've switched exclusively to Ko-ken Zeal as my 1/4" drive stuff, they have absolutely nailed the scale of these tools for modern vehicles.
 

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I just returned from the last of a handful of extended layovers in Japan, while I was in a nearby country for work. I have a few experiences that might be of interest to those in this thread.

Blackship Pickup
One layover I had around 6 hours and made one of my goals for that one to pickup the dozen or so packages I had sitting at Blackship.
Overall the process was ok. They say to give lots of notice of pickups but I gave them around 24 hours due to last minute travel plans. I didn’t get an email confirming a pickup time but they invoiced me for the pickup so I decided to head there anyway.
The location is easy to find. Take the train to Motomachi and walk maybe 5 minutes around the corner to the obvious location of Blackship with the large loading dock.
There’s no reception or lobby, you basically just walk into the doorway of the warehouse and make some noise until someone finds you.
The helpful employee found my package after a bit of searching and helped to add some extra packing tape.
I was running low on time so I got a taxi back to Haneda Airport. While I was in the taxi I got an email from Blackship (5 minutes before the end of my requested pickup window) that they wouldn’t be able to process the pickup and they needed more time. I replied with a photo I took of me holding the package in their warehouse.
I was stretching the pickup conditions, but I do feel like for pickup they could be a little more accommodating on the timelines. 2-3 days to prepare for a pickup is a bit long. I should be able to come pickup the packages with a few hours notice. You also have to enter all the customs information even when you pick things up which is pointless. My last gripe is they charge quite a lot for the pickup service, almost as much as the cheapest sea mail shipping option.
I’d love to find a service like Blackship that was more flexible and cost effective for pickups. Like a 30-45 day Amazon locker. Or if Blackship could improve their pickup service that would be a good solution too.

Factory Gear (and other tool stores)
I visited the Factory Gear stores both in Osaka and Tokyo. The Osaka Namba store was great, plenty of stock, walking distance from Dotonburi and late opening hours. I only bought a few items at the Osaka store, figuring I would pickup the Koken impact socket sets I was after in Tokyo at the end of the trip, that was a mistake.
The Tokyo store in comparison was really disappointing. It’s much harder to get to, but also had much less stock. I must have done 4 or 5 laps of the small store looking for the Anex and Vessel screwdrivers that the Osaka store had, but they didn’t have any.
I wouldn’t recommend making the long hike out to the Tokyo store if you can visit the other locations. Maybe I caught them at a bad time, but their stocks and range seems really low, especially of the Koken. The Osaka store even had maybe 4x the clothing swag which was odd since the Tokyo store is supposed to be the flagship store.
Both stores were more expensive than I expected, with some items having a decent markup over Amazon. One Koken socket set I was looking at was around 18,000 yen in the store after tax free, but only around 14,000 yen on Amazon Japan with tax. The physical stores are a fun experience and well worth it, but if your goal is to actually buy specific tools I’d use Amazon Japan and the many Amazon locker locations. You won’t get tax free but you will save some money and not risk things being out of stock in store. I’d leave the Factory Gear tools for oddball things Amazon doesn’t have, and small souvenir purchases.

I’d also recommend trying to get to one of the larger more regional Joyful Honda store. These don’t have Koken or Nepros but for Anex, Vessel, KTC and even Wrea/Knipex/PB, these huge home improvement stores have a large amount of stock.

I agree with your assessment. The Osaka store has more stock and way more clothing swag. It feels more like a flagship store. Only thing it was missing was the bar 🍺.

The flagship location is far from where people usually stay. The store is much bigger for sure, but it feels more empty. As for the prices, it's what we can expect from a retail location. I just imagine the amount of rent they have to pay.

Overall I was satisfied with my trips to both stores. Nothing really beat Amazon jp in price. Deen to me is just another Taiwan rebrand, only Standouts are the nice handles, and maybe like 2 other tools. But the tools don't justify those prices.
 

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Overall I was satisfied with my trips to both stores. Nothing really beat Amazon jp in price. Deen to me is just another Taiwan rebrand, only Standouts are the nice handles, and maybe like 2 other tools. But the tools don't justify those prices.
I hadn’t seen any Deen tools until I saw it all at the Osaka store. I thought the laser engravings looked especially cheesy/cheap. I don’t get the appeal since it seemed similarly priced to Koken/KTC but not made in Japan. The only thing it seemed to have going for it was the wide range, if you wanted all your tools all from the same brand.

Next trip in a month or two I will try and get to the Factory Gear Giga store. It’s in Kobe not that far out of Osaka. I would have gone this time but learnt about it too late. I could have made it to the Hiroshima store too but figured it would be mostly the same as Osaka/Tokyo.
 

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I hadn’t seen any Deen tools until I saw it all at the Osaka store. I thought the laser engravings looked especially cheesy/cheap. I don’t get the appeal since it seemed similarly priced to Koken/KTC but not made in Japan. The only thing it seemed to have going for it was the wide range, if you wanted all your tools all from the same brand.

Next trip in a month or two I will try and get to the Factory Gear Giga store. It’s in Kobe not that far out of Osaka. I would have gone this time but learnt about it too late. I could have made it to the Hiroshima store too but figured it would be mostly the same as Osaka/Tokyo.

To be fair they curate every tool they sell, what ever that means to them. Imo it's probably a cost issue, they wanted to hit a price with custom sized handle and black color tools. That cost money. I imagine going custom on a Japanese made tool is going to cost more.
 

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I mentioned before, but a lot of japan manufacturing is moving overseas. With that companies are offering the same product, with different price points. Case and point these two pliers. Both are made in the fujiya vietnam plant, both have the same features and cutting specs. The difference comes in price and handle material. The fujiya branded version is twice the price at 2948¥(tax included), while the SK11 is 1298¥(tax included).both say fujiya quality on the packaging 😂. Now I could possibly be that fujiya made the SK11 version with inferior metal, but I'm not entirely sure. But without pulling a metal id machine, they are identical.
 

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Dear Japanese tool nerds - I’m looking to upgrade my inverted flare tool (basic parts store tool junk) and I’m wondering if any of you have found any interesting and well priced alternatives abroad?
 
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Does anyone have experience with the Koken E-torx nut grip sockets? I've got the standard metric ones and love them.

Also it looks like Amazon.jp doesn't offer any Koken sockets and extensions anymore. I'm guessing it's better to order from a domestic source now?
I have a 4 piece torx set. I usually work on BMWs and they work great. You can order directly from Japan, use Google translator to understand tool listings and several companies allow you use a proxy shipping company. It can take a little effort, but you can save on the tools.
 

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Thanks. I was reading earlier in this thread and on the Amazon reviews that people had issues with them fitting and holding European car e-torx bolt heads.
Do you know of any good Japan only online retailers I should look at? I usually only check Amazon Japan.
 

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Does anyone have experience with the Koken E-torx nut grip sockets? I've got the standard metric ones and love them.

Also it looks like Amazon.jp doesn't offer any Koken sockets and extensions anymore. I'm guessing it's better to order from a domestic source now?
Sometimes you have to search with only the terms "Koken" and the model number. I set my address to a Blackship address(Yokohama) and searched Koken 3425/9 and the set came right up. If your address is set to a different country you only see what ships directly to that country.
 

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Sorry, I should've clarified. I'm able to see them, but they don't ship the US direct anymore. I just used an address in Japan to see what could be bought via proxy. I was able to order koken stuff earlier in the year direct to the US via amazon, but I guess this goes through cycles.
 

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Any other Australian forum members finding an increasing number of amazon.jp are ineligible for shipping? Would postal forwarding services be the only work around? Any recommendations?
No the solution is multiple, why not get the red/orange version that has a stronger carbide tip? That should be available from Sunflag maybe search Sunflag. Also KTC tools sells the same auto punch branded KTC which is available to on Amazon.au it's the exact same punch but labelled as KTC tools. There's one more option but try those 2 first.
 
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