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Tone disappoints some times, I wanted to try the regular handle 72t compact head 3/8. Did not realize it wasn't serviceable, don't mind that when I know the product. Also this ratchet isn't made in Japan, but that ok.
 

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As I gradually convert and expand more of my toolbox to Ko-ken sockets and ratchets, I have a wish list for what I’d like to see from them in 2025;
  • Zeal series e-torx sockets
  • Metric 12pt nut grip sockets (only SAE is available right now)
  • Locking flex head ratchets (or less floppy flex heads with stronger detents)
  • More extra short and extra long torx/hex zeal series bit sockets
What else do people want to see from Japanese tool makers this year?
 

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As I gradually convert and expand more of my toolbox to Ko-ken sockets and ratchets, I have a wish list for what I’d like to see from them in 2025;
  • Zeal series e-torx sockets
  • Metric 12pt nut grip sockets (only SAE is available right now)
  • Locking flex head ratchets (or less floppy flex heads with stronger detents)
  • More extra short and extra long torx/hex zeal series bit sockets
What else do people want to see from Japanese tool makers this year?
These, the return of quick release in the 1/4 ratchets,
Long and flex head 1/2 zeal ratchets,
Locking 1/4 extensions
Zeal 3/8 and 1/4 torx plus sockets
Zeal Spinner handles in 1/4
A Zeal 1/4 bit socket adapter
Zeal 1/2 medium and deep sockets
Zeal 1/2 hex and torx sockets
 

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As I gradually convert and expand more of my toolbox to Ko-ken sockets and ratchets, I have a wish list for what I’d like to see from them in 2025;
  • Zeal series e-torx sockets
  • Metric 12pt nut grip sockets (only SAE is available right now)
  • Locking flex head ratchets (or less floppy flex heads with stronger detents)
  • More extra short and extra long torx/hex zeal series bit sockets
What else do people want to see from Japanese tool makers this year?
I didn’t think KoKen offered any nut grip sockets in 12 point?

The way they work they are pretty much designed around a 6 point socket. I know they offer them in E Torx, but there is still something for the ball bearings to grip.

A 12 point socket is only going to be used two ways. If it’s used on a 6 point fastener then you are better off using a 6 point socket if you need nut grip. If you are going to use it on a 12 point fastener, then the ball bearings may not ever grip that well, as they are trying to grip a point.

Locking flex heads are 3774 (in 3/8 drive) with a suffix for handle type.
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These, the return of quick release in the 1/4 ratchets,
Long and flex head 1/2 zeal ratchets,
Locking 1/4 extensions
Zeal 3/8 and 1/4 torx plus sockets
Zeal Spinner handles in 1/4
A Zeal 1/4 bit socket adapter
Zeal 1/2 medium and deep sockets
Zeal 1/2 hex and torx sockets
With the Z Series / Zeal sockets being so compact, they are naturally much harder to grip. The reduced tolerances on the drive probably don’t help either. A quick release ratchet should probably be considered “standard” if you’re going the Z Series route.

I assume they had problems with the Z Series 1/4” drive quick release. They are offering the 3/8 drive “compact” ratchet (3/8 drive in 1/4 body) so I assume the problem is in the 1/4” square drive itself.

Yes, extending the 1/2” drive Z Series range would be good!
 

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I love the toyo-trusco toolboxes, I'll buy some soon
I have a few, and I like them. I have another T-190 coming in today. Their prices fluctuate though, and apparently crafters/makers have discovered them and are snapping them up. I get mine from Amazn US. Some times just another color will save you $10, and repeated searches oftentimes show the exact same box for another price. Suggest you find which one you want and put it in your cart and move it to Save for Later. Wait for the price to get into an acceptable range, notifications at the top of the cart page will let you know about price fluctuations. That's what I do.

Nakayama and Hozan are rebrands of the same boxes.
 

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I have a few, and I like them. I have another T-190 coming in today. Their prices fluctuate though, and apparently crafters/makers have discovered them and are snapping them up. I get mine from Amazn US. Some times just another color will save you $10, and repeated searches oftentimes show the exact same box for another price. Suggest you find which one you want and put it in your cart and move it to Save for Later. Wait for the price to get into an acceptable range, notifications at the top of the cart page will let you know about price fluctuations. That's what I do.

Nakayama and Hozan are rebrands of the same boxes.
I am aware about the color, but I'm a sucker for black unfortunately. I have ordered a T320 from a shop in Germany and before that I had ordered a t360, which I regretted, still hasn't been shipped, the ebay seller is unresponsive, but he rejected my cancellation. And unfortunately I paid with card, not PayPal. He received a negative feedback, but still doesn't seem to care. Whatever.
Regarding the toolboxes,generally they are a bit pricey to get hold of here in Germany unfortunately
 

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With the Z Series / Zeal sockets being so compact, they are naturally much harder to grip. The reduced tolerances on the drive probably don’t help either. A quick release ratchet should probably be considered “standard” if you’re going the Z Series route.

I assume they had problems with the Z Series 1/4” drive quick release. They are offering the 3/8 drive “compact” ratchet (3/8 drive in 1/4 body) so I assume the problem is in the 1/4” square drive itself.

Yes, extending the 1/2” drive Z Series range would be good!
Yes, the problem was in the 1/4 drive. I have one with quick release, it's much more enjoyable to use and I haven't encountered a problem until now. They will release them again, in 19 years probably, we will have 720 tooth ratchets by then lol.
As for the 1/2 zeal drive, it at least now, feels like a novelty item. Only one ratchet (ok 2 if you count the QR difference), 2 extensions (there are also locking versions) and only short zeal sockets, from 10 to 32. Should I buy Hazet for the rest or what?
 

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I didn’t think KoKen offered any nut grip sockets in 12 point?

The way they work they are pretty much designed around a 6 point socket. I know they offer them in E Torx, but there is still something for the ball bearings to grip.

A 12 point socket is only going to be used two ways. If it’s used on a 6 point fastener then you are better off using a 6 point socket if you need nut grip. If you are going to use it on a 12 point fastener, then the ball bearings may not ever grip that well, as they are trying to grip a point.

Locking flex heads are 3774 (in 3/8 drive) with a suffix for handle type.
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These are not Zeal Series and they are pretty dated, only 24 teeth. Imo not worth purchasing compared to a stahlwille or hazet
 

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Yes, the problem was in the 1/4 drive. I have one with quick release, it's much more enjoyable to use and I haven't encountered a problem until now. They will release them again, in 19 years probably, we will have 720 tooth ratchets by then lol.
As for the 1/2 zeal drive, it at least now, feels like a novelty item. Only one ratchet (ok 2 if you count the QR difference), 2 extensions (there are also locking versions) and only short zeal sockets, from 10 to 32. Should I buy Hazet for the rest or what?
I suspected as much. I suspect some folks were pushing their 1/4” drive more than others.

Yes, it’s a shame they haven’t followed up with more than just the basics in 1/2” drive. I’m sure they will, but any serious range of tools really needs to include a long handle ratchet.

You could do worse than get Hazet, they offer a very comprehensive range of 1/2” drive, and many bit sockets, but I probably shouldn’t say that in this thread! The same could be said for the regular KoKen line though.

These are not Zeal Series and they are pretty dated, only 24 teeth. Imo not worth purchasing compared to a stahlwille or hazet
I never said they were!

I have a similar ratchet to these (non locking) and use it a fair deal. The advantages it offers, namely the long length and the all steel construction, outweigh the only disadvantage (the tooth count) for me. The fact that it’s a third of the price of it’s Snap On equivalent is also relevant.

Stahlwille and Hazet offer limited options with a long handle, and both only give you a comfort grip option, which isn’t always suitable.
 
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I didn’t think KoKen offered any nut grip sockets in 12 point?

They do, but only in 1/4” drive. They use 3 balls to hold the 12pt fastener head. Ko-ken have sockets for an impressive amount of fastener types, some that I’ve never even heard of, but you need to dig into their catalog to discover them all.

My specific use-case are 10mm and 12mm 12pt nuts on ARP fasteners in engines, usually hiding in fun places where dropping one is a bad day. These are often stainless too so magnets don’t work. A metric set of these would be perfect.

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They do, but only in 1/4” drive. They use 3 balls to hold the 12pt fastener head. Ko-ken have sockets for an impressive amount of fastener types, some that I’ve never even heard of, but you need to dig into their catalog to discover them all.

My specific use-case are 10mm and 12mm 12pt nuts on ARP fasteners in engines, usually hiding in fun places where dropping one is a bad day. These are often stainless too so magnets don’t work. A metric set of these would be perfect.

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Ahhh!

I suspect that’s something for the aerospace industry, but it’s an innovative design.

I’ve got the KoKen catalogue and I’d agree, but I think those are a relatively new item.

I’m increasingly using nut grip sockets as my standard now, especially around engines. Even taking off fasteners in a recess they save me having to grab pliers to extract a bolt.
 

Andres26tnt

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Koken wish list you say 🤔.

Return of 1/4 QR Z ratchets

Locking flex Z ratchets

More handle options for the Z line

Full no skip line of Z sockets
 

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I have a few, and I like them. I have another T-190 coming in today. Their prices fluctuate though, and apparently crafters/makers have discovered them and are snapping them up. I get mine from Amazn US. Some times just another color will save you $10, and repeated searches oftentimes show the exact same box for another price. Suggest you find which one you want and put it in your cart and move it to Save for Later. Wait for the price to get into an acceptable range, notifications at the top of the cart page will let you know about price fluctuations. That's what I do.

Nakayama and Hozan are rebrands of the same boxes.
Thanks for the heads up on the other rebrands.

For me, the T190 was often a bit deep for my needs (although I have used some anyway) and the shallow boxes a bit too shallow / too small.

I see Trusco are now selling a T-19, which looks to be an excellent size for things like 1/4 drive sockets.
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@Dave455, Do you have any additional info on that "Extra" socket? I haven't seen those before...
To quote my sources deep inside KoKen (well, the printing on the box actually) they are…IMG_0969.jpeg

Also EXTRA Exclusive it seems, as they don’t seem to be available outside the U.K.

Regular socket on the left, EXTRA in the middle, Z Series / Zeal on the right.
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The picture isn’t totally accurate, they are very shiny!
 
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Do you mind sharing what brand those wrenches are? I've seen them before here but can't recall what brand. Thank you.
The skeletonized ones are from Asahi's lightool line. The two small ones in the upper left look like a KTC profile (or maybe lobtex branded). Not sure on the ratcheting one.
 

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Yes, the slotted spanners are from the Asahi Lightool range. The stubby combos are 5.5, 7, 8, 10, 12 & 13mm. The DOE is 10x8mm, a useful combination.

The small combos 3.2 & 4mm KTC. The ratcheting combo is 8mm KTC, a very nice tool.
 

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To quote my sources deep inside KoKen (well, the printing on the box actually) they are…

Also EXTRA Exclusive it seems, as they don’t seem to be available outside the U.K.

Regular socket on the left, EXTRA in the middle, Z Series / Zeal on the right.


The picture isn’t totally accurate, they are very shiny!
Those look nice! I guess I'll be searching for UK sales sites now...:cool:

Thanks for sharing.
 

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To quote my sources deep inside KoKen (well, the printing on the box actually) they are…IMG_0969.jpeg

Also EXTRA Exclusive it seems, as they don’t seem to be available outside the U.K.

Regular socket on the left, EXTRA in the middle, Z Series / Zeal on the right.
IMG_0972.jpeg

The picture isn’t totally accurate, they are very shiny!

I have a set of the 3/8" Extras, I really like them £55 ish from UK Tools 👍
 

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Really starting to get the MIJ itch...

Not hand tools, hopefully this okay to post here.

Picked up the MIJ TD173 about a month ago and finally got in a bunch of my JDM bits in from Amazon Japan. Mostly Vessel, Tone and Anex.

I know the version with the US/UK chuck just came out recently, but I prefer MIJ products and this thing is a WORKHORSE. Incredibly impressive for the price, around $160 shipped, brand new from Japan.

These JDM bits are also awesome and the selection is insane. The Vessel 6-point sockets, screw extractor kits and various accessories are especially useful. The double-tipped bits are also super useful.

The collection grows...

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What else do people want to see from Japanese tool makers this year?
I own a lot of Koken, but I don't own any of the nut grip sockets yet, so I'm planning on investing into fixed and universal versions in 1/4" and 3/8".

All of Dave's info above has been great information!
Picked up the MIJ TD173 about a month ago and finally got in a bunch of my JDM bits in from Amazon Japan. Mostly Vessel, Tone and Anex.

Thoughts on this drill set from Vessel?

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I like 1/4" drive drill bits. Are these made in Japan?
 

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Thoughts on this drill set from Vessel?

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I like 1/4" drive drill bits. Are these made in Japan?
They're made incredibly well and they are made in Japan. I've drilled a few holes with them, just testing them out, and they are SHARP. It's a bit odd drilling holes with an impact, but it seems to do a great job at keeping things precise. Great set, highly recommend. Ordered from Amazon Japan.
 

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To quote my sources deep inside KoKen (well, the printing on the box actually) they are…IMG_0969.jpeg

Also EXTRA Exclusive it seems, as they don’t seem to be available outside the U.K.

Regular socket on the left, EXTRA in the middle, Z Series / Zeal on the right.
IMG_0972.jpeg

The picture isn’t totally accurate, they are very shiny!
That's too bad. The Ko-Ken Extra socket looks like a Carlyle metric socket. I prefer the less shiny, satin like finish.
That KTC small head 3/8 roto ratchet pictured further up is quite strong and available in three different lengths. I wish the handle section was a smidge longer though. Great ratchet :beer:
 

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They're made incredibly well and they are made in Japan. I've drilled a few holes with them, just testing them out, and they are SHARP. It's a bit odd drilling holes with an impact, but it seems to do a great job at keeping things precise. Great set, highly recommend. Ordered from Amazon Japan.
Added to AJP cart, thank you. (y)
 

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Really starting to get the MIJ itch...

Not hand tools, hopefully this okay to post here.

Picked up the MIJ TD173 about a month ago and finally got in a bunch of my JDM bits in from Amazon Japan. Mostly Vessel, Tone and Anex.

I know the version with the US/UK chuck just came out recently, but I prefer MIJ products and this thing is a WORKHORSE. Incredibly impressive for the price, around $160 shipped, brand new from Japan.

These JDM bits are also awesome and the selection is insane. The Vessel 6-point sockets, screw extractor kits and various accessories are especially useful. The double-tipped bits are also super useful.

The collection grows...

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I think the Japanese totally embraced the impact driver before the rest of the world. Maybe because of the number of wooden buildings?

They certainly get the most from the tool, and the selection of “JDM” impact driver bits is huge. The rest of the world is catching up, but I think Japan still leads with regard to things like colour coding.

That's too bad. The Ko-Ken Extra socket looks like a Carlyle metric socket. I prefer the less shiny, satin like finish.
That KTC small head 3/8 roto ratchet pictured further up is quite strong and available in three different lengths. I wish the handle section was a smidge longer though. Great ratchet :beer:
I’m not sure what the back story was to these “Extra” sockets.

Design wise they do seem to be mid way between the regular and the Z series. Was it a concept they conceived and abandoned?

The quality is very high and the level of finish is awesome. More like KTC Nepros.

The U.K. is quite a big market for KoKen, but British tastes are more in line with American than European, so if they wanted to shift some experimental, extra polished, sockets, this is probably the place.

The KTC roto head’s are lovely ratchet’s. Very versatile, and satisfying to use. I think you are essentially correct regarding the handle length, but at the same time I appreciate that these are basically “compact” roto heads, and as such are almost a unique tool, so I’m happy to sacrifice a little handle length.

I’ll probably order the other two lengths next time I order from Japan.
 
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Recently acquired some Vessel “Ultraball” drivers. (Their version of a ball hex driver).

Been meaning to order for a while, but was waiting till I had other Vessel items to order.
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Part of the same series as the “ Powergrip “, and still my favourite Vessel handle. Though I’m loving the purple!

Other manufacturers please note - when you have a bench full of different types of driver, colour coding is very desirable! You need not bother coding the size (Wera and PB Swiss - I’m looking at you) as I can see what’s bigger or smaller instantly, but I do need to know slotted from hex from Torx etc etc!
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The Ultraball profile (top) is different from the ball profile on Vessel hex keys (middle) and different again from other ball ended hex keys (PB Swiss - bottom)

However, given the number of awkward situations designers chuck at us, not to mention the number of screw types (button heads sometimes need a different approach compared to cap heads, different again from countersunk etc) I don’t think you can have too many options!IMG_0976.jpeg
 
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A few tools were missed out from my earlier picture of tools from Japan purchased last year.

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All 3/8" drive except for the 8x10mm DBE which is very nicely made by the Best Tool Co. Ltd.
What is a DBE and how do you use it, or what is it used for?
 
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