Patrickm82
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That’s one hell of a gift! Very nice Prentiss 23 @j p smith
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micahd1997
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Beautiful vise, JP! It is absolutely a Prentiss. Would love to see more pictures as you’re able to post them
OMG, a barely used 7", I've fallen in love again.
And I'm not sure if I'm suffering from morningitis again but what's with the handle mount ? does that have knobs ? a little 4 way thing ?
Is that an original handle ?
j p smith
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The knob on the side of the handle is spring loaded to hold the handle instead of it being a loose slip fit
Patrickm82
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Any close ups of that @j p smith? I’d be interested to see it. (the handle) That vise is my #2 most wanted!!
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Uh, may be a little case of morningitis, while looking into a early Dawn a few weeks ago I came across this page
not sure on date printed, but I noticed a 7" Dawn, hmmm, never seen one in captivity and suspect it is a printers error. but I have my eye on the 7" at the moment.Anyway, so this mornings 7" sent me down another rabbit hole and I found a 1922 Danks catalogue, going to order one depending on the price, will be a month or 2 but.
I did screenshoot the vices, mainly seems to be US stuff, Goodell- Pratt and Millers falls - wide range of tools and a few Yankees
Can't download it, but i Can post some screenshots if anyone is interested or better still have a look here, Buffalo drill press's also
,Heaps of stuff and tell me if it was any help if you could -just curious.
Outlawmws
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Well don't you **** a bunch! Congrats!
j p smith
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A few more pictures. The only numbers I found was 62 under the swivel on the main housing and a 33 on the swivel itself. The handle has a spring-loaded ball that keeps a little tension against the handle so it stays in place when you let go of it.
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Thanks for the additional pictures! Could you take apart and show pictures of the handle tension mechanical and pieces?
Patrickm82
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That things a friggin beauty JP!!
akasrick
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Jeez! A Jersey in OZ!Uh, may be a little case of morningitis, while looking into a early Dawn a few weeks ago I came across this page
Anyway, so this mornings 7" sent me down another rabbit hole and I found a 1922 Danks catalogue, going to order one depending on the price, will be a month or 2 but.
I did screenshoot the vices, mainly seems to be US stuff, Goodell- Pratt and Millers falls - wide range of tools and a few Yankees
Can't download it, but i Can post some screenshots if anyone is interested or better still have a look here, Buffalo drill press's also
Heaps of stuff and tell me if it was any help if you could -just curious.
They must have been connected to some kind of public relations-shipping relationship too gain popularity so fast and far flung.
Two digit model numbers.
akasrick
They were in 1934 McPhersons catalogue as well with some Reeds, but had disappeared In1937 McPhersons and replaced by English/Aussie vices.
dannyr
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the 'Improved Parallel' looks like an early Parkinsons' (Bradford, UK) - ~1875-1915 modelUh, may be a little case of morningitis, while looking into a early Dawn a few weeks ago I came across this page
Anyway, so this mornings 7" sent me down another rabbit hole and I found a 1922 Danks catalogue, going to order one depending on the price, will be a month or 2 but.
I did screenshoot the vices, mainly seems to be US stuff, Goodell- Pratt and Millers falls - wide range of tools and a few Yankees
Can't download it, but i Can post some screenshots if anyone is interested or better still have a look here, Buffalo drill press's also
Heaps of stuff and tell me if it was any help if you could -just curious.
I'm not sure when that page was printed, but seems to have a few different eras, Dawn was founded in 1917 and those pics are of 1930's Dawn vices, just makes things confusing and if the printer is saying 7" dawn I'm assuming the whole page is a mish mash of stuff.
The 1934 McPhersons also has the Improved parallel but a more modern style than that page. and some Records.
This is in the 1922 Danks.
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akasrick
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Thats typical with those catalog cuts, three digit model numbers were Stanley.That Danks catalogue was Jan, 22, had these also
akasrick
There is one other vice in the 1922 Danks I'm curious about, looks very similar to a Dawn which is a vice I think was being made in the 1920's they had the Quick action and that elongated handle mount, but is there a similar UK/US one ?
And just to confuse even more, Mcphersons (OZ company -1860's on) also made vices under the Macson brand and had a similar vice , but the back of the dynamic looks more like a Dawn.
And just to confuse even more, Mcphersons (OZ company -1860's on) also made vices under the Macson brand and had a similar vice , but the back of the dynamic looks more like a Dawn.
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ToolsRCool
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That's a good vice! Not that old. I sadly just broke mine trying to loosen the propellor (impeller) of my SeaDoo jet pump. Who would have thought you could break a vice, let alone with a small shaft that has flats could? Well sure did. Looking for another now.51855 is the number..... From what I have gathered on the big thread with the catalogs, which is really nice and that's awesome that the person did that, I'm guessing from the 40s? I would love some insight from somebody who knows vises if possible. Thank y'all so much!
Handle was still straight as a laser, I saved it. Handle on the Wilton at my work is bent into a full S like a wet noodle.
j p smith
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Pretty simple looking, it came apart pretty easy.
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I appreciate it! Hard to tell from the pictures, but is the piece that those bits screw into welded to the ball of the handle? Or does it look to be an original part of the handle?
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RTM
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I believe so
Columbian Vises : Catalog No. 40-A : Columbian Vise & Manufacturing Co. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
16 p., illus., 15.8 cm, trade catalog
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Might be a common dowel size, but the hardwood would be maple or similar, which might be a bit harder to find than HD.
Shiftless
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If you’re not against the principle, you might find that a piece of half inch galvanized pipe would fit. Get a ****** of convenient length and screw a cap on each end.
TheRealZeus
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Dawn quick action Dawn Vise is a 6LQ.There is one other vice in the 1922 Danks I'm curious about, looks very similar to a Dawn which is a vice I think was being made in the 1920's they had the Quick action and that elongated handle mount, but is there a similar UK/US one ?
And just to confuse even more, Mcphersons (OZ company -1860's on) also made vices under the Macson brand and had a similar vice , but the back of the dynamic looks more like a Dawn.
Pic; Scruttons catalogue (dated to approx. 1924-1930) from……uhhh.. I forget that part.
my bad.Get crackin’. you’ll find it. We believe in you.
Gurru
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I agree that a galvanized ****** with caps would do the job but the romantic in me would like to keep it authentic.
In truth I'm really not sure what I'm going to do with it as I have two already that I use on a regular basis.
Patrickm82
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Have you ever seen this before? I never have and now I’m very interested!!
Outlawmws
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Many woodworking vises "back in the day" had wood handles, so I'd guess yes, likely original. At least one of mine does.
Yeah have that page, although, I'm murky with that era think that page is later than 1930'sDawn quick action Dawn Vise is a 6LQ.
Pic; Scruttons catalogue (dated to approx. 1924-1930) from……uhhh.. I forget that part.
Get crackin’. you’ll find it. We believe in you.
This is a 1932 MacPhersons ( No Dawns apart from a woodworking in 1933 McPhersons )
This catalogue threw me again, as every other thing I have points to that vice being 1920's
1920's vices - very uncommon - Dawn on the dynamic, maybe a 2000's ish with that also, but that's it all the rest have Dawn on the static.
Got a few ready to patina this week
This is a late 20's,early 30's - the front ears on the static were discontinued around the start of 1930's, no Dawn on Dynamic but doe's have the early dots b/w letters and front ears kinda a in-between model with the size on the static as well. Also note the rear edge on the dynamic and has the non-rounded handle.
These are 1930's possibly 1940's as well, but I'll clear that at up some stage - they have the early dots b/w letters, the 5LP is a really rough casting and they progressively got cleaner over the years.
No front static ears and straighter rear dynamic edge
And the 6SQ,
No front static ears and straighter rear dynamic edge
And the 6SQ,
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12vx2
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I always liked the look of those offset ones. Seems they would be very handy.
j p smith
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Looks like it was made that way, does not look modified or welded on
Shiftless
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Looks quite well done to me too, but I’d be quite surprised if it was made that way. Can anybody come up with a catalog page of a vise with that feature?
Gurru
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What is the advantage of the offset ??
dannyr
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yes - the instantaneous grip of this type was invented and patented by J Parkinson of Shipley, Bradford, UK in 1884 - called 'Perfect' - I think their patent would have lasted 17 years back then - around 1900 a raft of other makers such as Woden and Record started producing near copies -- the one in this catalogue looks very much like a Parkinsons Perfect from around 1920+ but they didn't make sizes below 3.5 in and the numbering shown was generally used for non-QR Handy visesThere is one other vice in the 1922 Danks I'm curious about, looks very similar to a Dawn which is a vice I think was being made in the 1920's they had the Quick action and that elongated handle mount, but is there a similar UK/US one ?
And just to confuse even more, Mcphersons (OZ company -1860's on) also made vices under the Macson brand and had a similar vice , but the back of the dynamic looks more like a Dawn.
12vx2
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Larger surface area and clearance for holding parts vertically on the left side of the vise. Wilton corner vises are popular with some woodworkers because of this.