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Provincial

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In the early 1980's, I happened to go through an active machine shop down by the river in Snohomish, Washington. It had been there since the 1800's, and still had line shafts in the overhead. Not only were they there, but some were in use! They did have guards on the flat belts up as high as you could reach from the ground. I say ground, because it had a dirt floor!
 
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Here's a small lathe I did a number of years ago, a Drummond that I believe is an M type, manufactured in 1920.
Quite a unique design and when I got it all back together and running it was excellent, very ridged.
 

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Here's a small lathe I did a number of years ago, a Drummond that I believe is an M type, manufactured in 1920.
Quite a unique design and when I got it all back together and running it was excellent, very ridged.
They made a few thousand of those, they still have a following over here and even rough non running examples will sell for £50 to £100.
They did a long bed version and a version with a separate power cross feed.
Myford built the last of the M types.
 

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They made a few thousand of those, they still have a following over here and even rough non running examples will sell for £50 to £100.
They did a long bed version and a version with a separate power cross feed.
Myford built the last of the M types.
I remember once seeing a photo inside Robert Falcon Scott hut or maybe it was Ernest Shackleton, of a Drummond lathe being used powered by a foot treadle.
I've been hunting for it but haven't found it yet, it would have been cutting edge technology at the time.
Wish I hadn't sold it but there's only so much room in the shop.
 

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I spotted this horrible picture on FB MP, It was huge and blurry, I messaged the seller! They sent two better ones.
Worked before pulled from service $1500.
 

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There was a 20" Lodge & Shipley (about 8' centers) listed recently on FM in Salem, OR for $2500. I used to run it in the mid-1970's, and it was a beast! Powerful, heavy, and very accurate. Came off a WWII repair ship, so it had the 20 HP motor mounted over the headstock.

Not a good fit in the average garage, and you wouldn't be able to run it on a single phase VFD.
 

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Dreamer--thats a Monarch 10ee sitting out in the weather. What a Shame.

Provincial--two big Lodge & Shipleys listed now--both look like they could be nice machines. The 28" looks like a gap bed, not common. Wonder if the gap filler piece survived.

Tom B.
 

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Dreamer--thats a Monarch 10ee sitting out in the weather. What a Shame.

Provincial--two big Lodge & Shipleys listed now--both look like they could be nice machines. The 28" looks like a gap bed, not common. Wonder if the gap filler piece survived.

Tom B.
The 28" has an interesting history. It was bought by the US Navy and sent to the Philippines, but wasn't put under power before the Japanese invaded. They never got it running, and after the war it was put on a cargo ship that returned to the US, going straight into the Reserve Fleet without ever being unloaded. Around 1970, it was scrapped by Zidell in Portland, OR and they sold it to the machine shop in Salem where I worked a few years later. The gap was put in an out a few times while I worked there, and the present owners hardly ever used the machine. I'm pretty sure nothing has been lost off this machine. It didn't get much use as it is has slow spindle speeds, unlike the 20", which topped out a 500 RPM.
 

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I spotted this horrible picture on FB MP, It was huge and blurry, I messaged the seller! They sent two better ones.
Worked before pulled from service $1500.
Nice lathe but I wouldnt want one.
Too small and too complicated of a drive system for me.
Sad, if not downright stupid to see it sitting outside tho.
 

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Might as well toss this in: My ninth lathe, a circa-1960 Rivett Series 60 Turret Lathe:

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(Digitally edited background- the original was heavily cluttered. :) )

I recently rebuilt/refurbished it, including having the drive motor rebuilt, new spindle bearings, the usual paint & body, and half a million other little details. :)

Has an interesting motor-generator drive, with a 2HP 3-phase motor turning a DC generator, which then powers a 2HP DC spindle motor. The lever on the front is basically a big rheostat, and gives you essentially infinite speed control. With the four belt ranges, it can go from 0 to about 4,800 RPM.

Takes 5C collets or can accept L-00 chucks (I have a5" 3-jaw for it.)


Doc.
 

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I have more than 10 vintage lathes on hand right now, and have rebuilt God knows how many more.
 

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I only ever had one Rivette. You don't find them very often. I don't believe I'll be buying any others.
 

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April 1915 MacPhersons Engineering catalogue - Australian, mainly US, UK machines

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They didn't start making the Boxford lathe until 1948.
It's a good Southbend copy, they made thousands of them.
Was pretty much the standard lathe for a school shop over here in the UK for several decades.
 

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They didn't start making the Boxford lathe until 1948.
It's a good Southbend copy, they made thousands of them.
Was pretty much the standard lathe for a school shop over here in the UK for several decades.
Thanks dutchgray. Some time ago I looked up the age of it on some website using the serial no. of mine, will have to read it again. I remember it was older than I had guessed it would be. This one was in Scotland and various people have said lots of them were in schools, but unfortunately not in the schools I went to. (y)
 

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As you probably know, Boxford are still around, and to some degree have parts for the old lathes. This was 5+ yrs ago so availability may have changed in that time.

I had a 500 VSL that I loved.
 

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Thanks dutchgray. Some time ago I looked up the age of it on some website using the serial no. of mine, will have to read it again. I remember it was older than I had guessed it would be. This one was in Scotland and various people have said lots of them were in schools, but unfortunately not in the schools I went to. (y)
The school I went to had long got rid of theirs, they did have a couple of the typical 12" Chinese bench top lathes, students were not allowed to use them, this was 1997 to 2002.
 

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Is this of any good value? I don't have a lathe. AXA 250-100 and 15 tool holders?
FB MP
 

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Probably worth it if you like the piston-type tool post. Eight extra turning tool holders in addition to what is in a regular set. Each extra one is about $12.00 new, and Amazon price for the regular set is $129.00.
 

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I moved shop about a year and a half ago to our new house; while my new shop building was going up, I rescued a 1940 Lipe-Rollway 14" Carbo-Lathe that was ready to go to the scrapyard to supplement my 1918 Mulliner Enlund 14" engine lathe. After a year of sitting, I restored the Carbo- Lathe and started setting it up. Here are the girls in their forever home.IMG_20250205_112937326.jpgIMG_20250205_113024055.jpg

In a couple weeks, I'll be adding a 1916 Porter-Cable 9" Rapid Production lathe to the team for turning armatures.

-James Huston
 

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I spotted this horrible picture on FB MP, It was huge and blurry, I messaged the seller! They sent two better ones.
Worked before pulled from service $1500.
Pretty sure I watched a youtube video of this one being "Saved".
The cobbling into the base of a small single phase motor to run it with bits of scrap and bungees was particularly creative.
 

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I moved shop about a year and a half ago to our new house; while my new shop building was going up, I rescued a 1940 Lipe-Rollway 14" Carbo-Lathe that was ready to go to the scrapyard to supplement my 1918 Mulliner Enlund 14" engine lathe. After a year of sitting, I restored the Carbo- Lathe and started setting it up. Here are the girls in their forever home.

In a couple weeks, I'll be adding a 1916 Porter-Cable 9" Rapid Production lathe to the team for turning armatures.

-James Huston
Your Mulliner Enlund sure bears strong resemblance to the Hendey lathes of the day. Both being from the New England states may explain the similarities or possibly even Hendey licensing agreements. If not for the tub approach for tying the bearing towers as opposed to the Hendey tie bar method it would be easy to mistake one for the other. Cool lathe and set up you have. Ed.
 

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I moved shop about a year and a half ago to our new house; while my new shop building was going up, I rescued a 1940 Lipe-Rollway 14" Carbo-Lathe that was ready to go to the scrapyard to supplement my 1918 Mulliner Enlund 14" engine lathe. After a year of sitting, I restored the Carbo- Lathe and started setting it up. Here are the girls in their forever home.IMG_20250205_112937326.jpgIMG_20250205_113024055.jpg

In a couple weeks, I'll be adding a 1916 Porter-Cable 9" Rapid Production lathe to the team for turning armatures.

-James Huston
Your statement about them being in “their forever home” got me thinking about my tools and machines. Although my machines aren’t as old as yours they have a past life with someone else and those previous users had them many years.
I also got a bunch of machinist’s hand tools that have the same name engraved into them and I wonder who that person was, where he worked, and what he made with those tools. I guess what I’m getting at is that is a big part of my love of old tools, their unspoken history.
It almost makes me want to put my name on my tools so that someday in the distant future someone might wonder who “that guy” was!
 

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^^ Never heard of the carbo-lathe... looks interesting. Little beastie.
The Carbo-Lathe was developed around 1932 by Porter-Cable to use early carbide tooling. It's essentially a larger, faster version of their 1914 Rapid Production lathe. Porter-Cable sold the design off to Lipe-Rollway in 1937; I suspect this lathe was involved in war work at first.
Nice save...God loves you for that.
Thank you, I have a respectable amount of tool karma at this point- the newest machine in the toolroom is a 1967 Rockwell milling machine. The oldest is my Costillo horizontal milling machine, built around 1895 or so!
Your Mulliner Enlund sure bears strong resemblance to the Hendey lathes of the day. Both being from the New England states may explain the similarities or possibly even Hendey licensing agreements. If not for the tub approach for tying the bearing towers as opposed to the Hendey tie bar method it would be easy to mistake one for the other. Cool lathe and set up you have. Ed.
Well spotted! The Mulliner Enlund makes use of several Wendell Norton patents, especially the QCGB and threading dial. Norton worked for Hendey for many years. I can only assume there was a licensing agreement. I would put this lathe neck and neck with a Hendey of similar size in terms of quality.
Your statement about them being in “their forever home” got me thinking about my tools and machines. Although my machines aren’t as old as yours they have a past life with someone else and those previous users had them many years.
I also got a bunch of machinist’s hand tools that have the same name engraved into them and I wonder who that person was, where he worked, and what he made with those tools. I guess what I’m getting at is that is a big part of my love of old tools, their unspoken history.
It almost makes me want to put my name on my tools so that someday in the distant future someone might wonder who “that guy” was!
I know exactly what you mean. I was a power tool repairman for over twenty-three years before focusing on restoration work on older machines and tools. I have an all-vintage shop, and many of my machines were used for the war effort ( I have reason to believe that the Mulliner do so in both world wars ). Some have names or even social security numbers engraved on them. Some have Navy anchors or DOD numbers. If only they could talk!

I make up build sheets for my personal machines- my hope is that, if anything happens to me/when I croak, each machine will have any known history with it when it goes home with its new caretaker.

- James Huston
 

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Apparently the lathe looked good enough to buy because someone did that exact thing !!

‘’Is there a thread for things we used to own ? :beer:
 
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