Outlawmws
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Did you get the anvil and arbor press? Inquiring minds!
The VISES of Garage Journal
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Mr. Wonderful
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No lol I have bigger nicer anvils and a much better arbor press at work. I wanted to leave them for someone coming up.
This is a 1936-40 ish 2" Marples (found about 3/4 catalogues wtih it, plus/minus a few years, they have a hollow under both jaws unlike the later ones, and a 'T' that is visible once you remove the dynamic just in front of the nut.
Looks very close to yours,
I may have posted both of my 2"Marples a few months ago, If not I can post some pics.
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dannyr
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didn't know they made a little all-steel vise -- maybe that's why no separate jaws, the casting looks a bit rough (not so easy to cast -- much hotter melt), stamped and decal, not cast in name - interestingly Rededa, Sheffield made a model 251 (not 521) similar size at this time.similar one in the 1940 Marples catalog. Looks like a sticker for the logo on the dynamic jaw. It weighs 3 lbs 3 oz.
Unbreakable, which is nice.
Thanks. That looks like the same mark. I'll see if I can find your post.This is a 1936-40 ish 2" Marples (found about 3/4 catalogues wtih it, plus/minus a few years, they have a hollow under both jaws unlike the later ones, and a 'T' that is visible once you remove the dynamic just in front of the nut.
Looks very close to yours,
I may have posted both of my 2"Marples a few months ago, If not I can post some pics.
Edit: I saw where you mentioned it, but I didn't see any pictures.
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The casting doesn't seem too bad ( for a vise ). The paint is thick in some places and gone in others and makes it look worse in the pictures. It's actually a pretty tight little vise.
I cleaned and oiled the screw and straightened the handle a bit. There was a lock washer stuck in one of the mounting holes I knocked out. I think that's all the restoring I will do to it.
Quite a coincidence that the numbers are similar, I could see Marples getting these from another source since I think their main line was edge tools.
3" Rededa steel, 251A
They are similar to the small 2" Marples in quality, miles away from the Record Imp 80 of the same era.
Cheap, mass produced for the hobbyist ?
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It's in a 1937 Australian McPhersons catalogue, so at least 1936
2" Marples 1940 ish and a 1950ish , the 40 has had the top and sides of the slide ground down by a previous owner, don't take any notice of it (really thick paint, I'm assuming that was their solution to get the slide to fit)
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In the 1938 catalog it is 2/3 the price of the light cast iron 3" and half the weight. Looks like the cheapest offering. I wonder if it was used in schools like the all steel hand planes.3" Rededa steel, 251A
They are similar to the small 2" Marples in quality, miles away from the Record Imp 80 of the same era.
Cheap, mass produced for the hobbyist ?
Makes sense, you wouldn't want to give the little schoolies a good quality vice to destroy
Marples also had small Shamrocks, but I don't know where they fit in, a better quality of the same era ? was thinking late 50's, or maybe branded that way after Record took them over in 1962
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Hmmm, another rabbit hole on Marples branding - I'm staying awayMakes sense, you wouldn't want to give the little schoolies a good quality vice to destroy
Marples also had small Shamrocks, but I don't know where they fit in, a better quality of the same era ? was thinking late 50's, or maybe branded that way after Record took them over in 1962
neophyte
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Unbreakable, which is nice.
Those definitely look nice. I like the English design of bench vises, but I don't have one except for the little guy. Looks like the 1959 catalog had the shamrock spelled out on the side similar the picture above.Makes sense, you wouldn't want to give the little schoolies a good quality vice to destroy
Marples also had small Shamrocks, but I don't know where they fit in, a better quality of the same era ? was thinking late 50's, or maybe branded that way after Record took them over in 1962
I see remnants of a sticker on the left side of my vise, so I ordered a couple of the replacement Marples decals from ebay.
Definitely stay away
Finally got my Wilton today. The gentleman I bought it from had a sick Dad, which delayed things a bit. It's in pretty good shape. The key is stamped 180, so I guess it was turned out (or sold), in January of '75? Took it most of the way down today right after it was delivered. Everything so far is there and although dirty is as it should be. Even got the jaws out. It has the smooth jaws right now but I bought a set of checkered ones for it. May or may not actually use them when I put it back together.
It's a 350S. Nothing special but my first Wilton. I can already see why these have such a following, and bring the prices they do.
Is a Wilton of this year supposed to be in the hospital greenish color, or the more modern bluish tint? If I had to guess at the color, which looks original I'd put it more in the green range.
It's a 350S. Nothing special but my first Wilton. I can already see why these have such a following, and bring the prices they do.
Is a Wilton of this year supposed to be in the hospital greenish color, or the more modern bluish tint? If I had to guess at the color, which looks original I'd put it more in the green range.
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neharr41
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Nice vise! It was probably made in Jan of 1980, the five year date code rule only applies if the key is also stamped "GUAR EXP".Finally got my Wilton today. The gentleman I bought it from had a sick Dad, which delayed things a bit. It's in pretty good shape. The key is stamped 180, so I guess it was turned out (or sold), in January of '75? Took it most of the way down today right after it was delivered. Everything so far is there and although dirty is as it should be. Even got the jaws out. It has the smooth jaws right now but I bought a set of checkered ones for it. May or may not actually use them when I put it back together.
It's a 350S. Nothing special but my first Wilton. I can already see why these have such a following, and bring the prices they do.
Is a Wilton or this year supposed to be in the hospital greenish color, or the more modern bluish tint? If I had to guess at the color, which looks original I'd put it more in the green range.
As for the color, I believe during that period it would've been the "verde green" originally.
Thanks!
Latest school of thought I've found is on this site from @Private Lugnutz
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If you have a machinists' vise with a date stamp between 1945 and 1954, that's the date your vise was made.
If you have a machinists' vise with a date stamp of 1959 or later - with or without a "GUAR EXP" stamp, your vise was very likely made 5 years before the date stamp.
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He goes into detail on why he believes this to be true, and credits others for helping him arrive at that conclusion, including @Fierljeppen
I don't have the exact thread where I read it, but many others agreed with that idea.
Latest school of thought I've found is on this site from @Private Lugnutz
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If you have a machinists' vise with a date stamp between 1945 and 1954, that's the date your vise was made.
If you have a machinists' vise with a date stamp of 1959 or later - with or without a "GUAR EXP" stamp, your vise was very likely made 5 years before the date stamp.
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He goes into detail on why he believes this to be true, and credits others for helping him arrive at that conclusion, including @Fierljeppen
I don't have the exact thread where I read it, but many others agreed with that idea.
Shiftless
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Nice one!
For the benefit of readers using their phones, I reworked that image. It’s a Wilton combination vise, a C3, which is the biggest of the series considered by many to be the best vise Wilton makes and among the best vises made by any manufacturer past or present. Nearly 200 pounds of fun. (With the swivel base)
Thank you so much for the info! I've been sitting here at work burning up GJ looking for info on it. It's missing the parts for the swivel but I have the base so I'll make them if I can't find the parts. It was left outside for awhile but looks like it's in good condition. I cut a 50 gallon plastic barrel in half and it's ready for a diesel-transmission fluid soak for awhile before I take it apart. This is my first wilton he had a smaller one to but wouldn't part with it.Nice one!
For the benefit of readers using their phones, I reworked that image. It’s a Wilton combination vise, a C3, which is the biggest of the series considered by many to be the best vise Wilton makes and among the best vises made by any manufacturer past or present. Nearly 200 pounds of fun. (With the swivel base)
Shiftless
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Looks like you started at the top! Later on you might stumble upon the smallest of the bunch, a 2 incher “baby bullet”.
Shiftless
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My user vise is a little brother to your C3.
Mine is a C1 with 4 1/2 inch jaws. Here is a pic of it after It was repainted with Rustoleum
Verde Green and received replacement jaw inserts but before it went to work and got banged up.
Mine is a C1 with 4 1/2 inch jaws. Here is a pic of it after It was repainted with Rustoleum
Verde Green and received replacement jaw inserts but before it went to work and got banged up.
That's very nice work on that one.My user vise is a little brother to your C3.
Mine is a C1 with 4 1/2 inch jaws. Here is a pic of it after It was repainted with Rustoleum
Verde Green and received replacement jaw inserts but before it went to work and got banged up.
It looks like they tap right in, any idea which size/one would be best? I believe the gauge whole are about 1/8" diameter.
Got it all apart and degreased. Light surface rust and no pitting. Nothing broken or bent.
Not going to take the key out since there was no rust to speak of. Someone kept this pretty much dry and lubed for 50 years. I think it will look practically new after I run it through the wire wheels.
Anyone know where to find some of the unobtanium Verde Green?
Not going to take the key out since there was no rust to speak of. Someone kept this pretty much dry and lubed for 50 years. I think it will look practically new after I run it through the wire wheels.
Anyone know where to find some of the unobtanium Verde Green?
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I did a quick e-bay search and found a spray can, 12 oz for $160.00 Ouch. Wonder if you could go to a car paint shop and have some mixed up for you.Got it all apart and degreased. Light surface rust and no pitting. Nothing broken or bent.
Not going to take the key out since there was no rust to speak of. Someone kept this pretty much dry and lubed for 50 years. I think it will look practically new after I run it through the wire wheels.
Anyone know where to find some of the unobtanium Verde Green?
Beerhippie
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No. Just no.
I saw that too, at least a couple of cans on eBay for $160 each. Apparently there is a Hammerite Light Blue that's very close, but it seems to be discontinued also. I guess I'll probably go with a black hammered. I don't know if a car paint shop would make hammered, but then again I don't know what makes paint hammered to begin with.
Beerhippie
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This is the best example of a hammer tone paint I could easily find:
I was able to match it with a Rustoleum product:
I think I still have most of that can left. Seeing as it's used, I can let it go for the low, low price of $125!
I wonder if it's still any good?
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Probably little to no chance, but I asked Rustoleum if they could come up with a dozen 12 oz spray cans of Verde Green hammertone at reasonable price. Can't hurt to try.
i think its a chas parkerjust bought this online, not sure of the maker, would anyone happen to know, USA on side, No31 on the other
four.cycle
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Wait... you can't get Pontiac Metallic Silver Blue in a rattle can any more? Didn't they make a hammertone finish?
CRSINMICH
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ranger08: It sure looks like a Parker. Here's a cut from an 1894 catalog. Look on the front. It should have a Parker collar. Nice find!
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Here is their response (sorry)
Thank you for contacting Rust-Oleum Product Support. Unfortunately, the Stops Rust Hammered paint has been discontinued, and we currently do not have a replacement available. As our product offerings evolve, we cannot guarantee if the Stops Rust Hammered paint in Verde Green will be reintroduced.
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Very nice job.
LTkev1n
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I have two parkers that I intended on fixing one to replace my small Hollands.
No. 300 - needs a lead screw (broken thread)
23x - needs a front saddle/retainer and the swivel base. I can probably fabricate a retainer easy enough but I'd like to get a base.
Anyone have any of these parts so I can get one of these together?
No. 300 - needs a lead screw (broken thread)
23x - needs a front saddle/retainer and the swivel base. I can probably fabricate a retainer easy enough but I'd like to get a base.
Anyone have any of these parts so I can get one of these together?