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cody1325

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Been helping a buddy of mine a lot with his stuff, and his family's stuff is almost exclusively '80s and '90s GM. And it's been requiring a lot of metric, same goes for the '01 Deere riding mower of ours.

Problem is--I'm not that good on metric. From when he was younger than me, to when he was last able to do much--Granddad always bought SAE. I've got several extensive, or at least partial sets of SAE (from ignition wrenches through like 2")--Craftsman of varying vintage, Blackhawk, SK, Proto, and Action by Thorsen--plus loads of generic Taiwan/China stuff. Metric--partial Craftsman, HTD Japan (have little info on this company--bought 'em used in Proto rolls at a flea market a decade ago), and Benchtop. I'm exploring just going out and buying a whole new set as well for an apprentice-style portable set I'm building.

Back when Lowe's first started selling Craftsman, I bought a wrench rack and assembled the Craftsman metric in it--I was missing 9mm and 20mm. I was able to source the 9mm from my HTD set. Seem to recall a job a couple weeks ago that required a 22mm.


Locally, I've got a few offerings. I want US, but am open to other makes.

Trucks--but not at $60 or so a wrench. Especially when Mac's signature Knuclesavers are basically a fancier (read, highly polished and slippery) version of my favorite Proto ASDs at double the price. I'm sure CAT has a cheaper version of SO's wrenches too.

Proto from my local mine supply. Probably some old-stock SK I may be able to get for half-price since they no longer stock it (I found a random 12mm laying on the floor in the tool section--they gave it to me as they've struck most SK from inventory, but still have it on the shelves). Looking at online, they'll probably ask around $30-40 for the 20mm.

Urrea. My local mine supply's budget range. I know they used to be Mexican-made, lower-finish Proto; but it seems they have been moving a lot to Taiwan like US brands.

CAT--my dealer has a few odds and ends in stock right away, but unsure on much metric.

Flea markets--you never know, even though the amount of American-made stuff dwindles each year.

While not US origin, Harbor Freight... Might as well try Icon. Looking at $90 for the set of 20mm-24mm. May wait for coupons to bring that down lower.


Online;

Williams. US-made, cheaper than Snap-On despite being made on the same lines.

Wright--they seem to be much cheaper on all the US-made stuff in the lineup. I also like the denim canvas pouches they're packed in. Applied doesn't show anything as in-stock. They supposedly ordered some Williams stuff for me in Feb. OF LAST YEAR that never showed up.

Facom/USAG from Ultimate Garage. As it appears my grandmother wants to get the '83 Pininfarina 124 Spider Azzura back from my Dad soon (who drove it for a few years in the '90s, then ended up in a string of bad marriages--car's been parked in his garage since at least '94), I think it would be cool to have some Italian tools for working on an Italian car.
 
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USA MADE: wright

Imported, great value, excellent customer service:



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This is the set to buy from Cripe:

Napa 90933 7PC. Full Polish Extra Long Pattern Combination Wrench Set Metric

And yes you will need to fill in some sizes.

 

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I don’t think that the amount of USA stuff at flea markets is dwindling yet.

I would say that the amount of Mid Century Modern furniture is starting to dwindle. At least large quantities of cheap 1950’s/60’s. This is the stuff to hoard.

With what’s left of the greatest generation and the beginning of the baby boom passing on… there are years left of garage/estate sale USA tools.

The HUGE caveat is the massive amount of boomer pickers supplementing their retirement by picking.

You have to beat the old guys to the good stuff. It is almost better when Snap-on is overpriced (to the pickers, not compared to retail).
 

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Wright is probably my favorite wrenches and sockets. I tried to get them when I can.. Epstein's is an excellent place to get them. Great family own company. Zoro is a good place for Wright you can always get a 15 to 20% off with Zoro from time to time. I think Wright itself is one of the last if not the last family owned tool companies in the United States. I love their curved handled ratchets, but not so much the mechanisms. If they could put a better drop in mechanism, kinda like the one from. Sk that would be great..
 

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Been helping a buddy of mine a lot with his stuff, and his family's stuff is almost exclusively '80s and '90s GM. And it's been requiring a lot of metric, same goes for the '01 Deere riding mower of ours.

Problem is--I'm not that good on metric. From when he was younger than me, to when he was last able to do much--Granddad always bought SAE. I've got several extensive, or at least partial sets of SAE (from ignition wrenches through like 2")--Craftsman of varying vintage, Blackhawk, SK, Proto, and Action by Thorsen--plus loads of generic Taiwan/China stuff. Metric--partial Craftsman, HTD Japan (have little info on this company--bought 'em used in Proto rolls at a flea market a decade ago), and Benchtop. I'm exploring just going out and buying a whole new set as well for an apprentice-style portable set I'm building.

Back when Lowe's first started selling Craftsman, I bought a wrench rack and assembled the Craftsman metric in it--I was missing 9mm and 20mm. I was able to source the 9mm from my HTD set. Seem to recall a job a couple weeks ago that required a 22mm.


Locally, I've got a few offerings. I want US, but am open to other makes.

Trucks--but not at $60 or so a wrench. Especially when Mac's signature Knuclesavers are basically a fancier (read, highly polished and slippery) version of my favorite Proto ASDs at double the price. I'm sure CAT has a cheaper version of SO's wrenches too.

Proto from my local mine supply. Probably some old-stock SK I may be able to get for half-price since they no longer stock it (I found a random 12mm laying on the floor in the tool section--they gave it to me as they've struck most SK from inventory, but still have it on the shelves). Looking at online, they'll probably ask around $30-40 for the 20mm.

Urrea. My local mine supply's budget range. I know they used to be Mexican-made, lower-finish Proto; but it seems they have been moving a lot to Taiwan like US brands.

CAT--my dealer has a few odds and ends in stock right away, but unsure on much metric.

Flea markets--you never know, even though the amount of American-made stuff dwindles each year.

While not US origin, Harbor Freight... Might as well try Icon. Looking at $90 for the set of 20mm-24mm. May wait for coupons to bring that down lower.


Online;

Williams. US-made, cheaper than Snap-On despite being made on the same lines.

Wright--they seem to be much cheaper on all the US-made stuff in the lineup. I also like the denim canvas pouches they're packed in. Applied doesn't show anything as in-stock. They supposedly ordered some Williams stuff for me in Feb. OF LAST YEAR that never showed up.

Facom/USAG from Ultimate Garage. As it appears my grandmother wants to get the '83 Pininfarina 124 Spider Azzura back from my Dad soon (who drove it for a few years in the '90s, then ended up in a string of bad marriages--car's been parked in his garage since at least '94), I think it would be cool to have some Italian tools for working on an Italian car.
If you have a Harbor Freight nearby, get the ICON stuff. I myself have some, as well as other mechanics in the shop. This is a medium/heavy shop environment and the've held up. Prices are decent and when on sale are even better. Haven't had to due it myself yet, but have heard warranty is pretty simple process as well.
 
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Wrights are pretty phenomenal, I have them in SAE. I do wish they were a longer pattern, however. I recommend them without reservation.

I actually prefer my Proto ASDs over the Wrights, by just a little. They are a little slimmer and a little longer and feel really great in the hand. My preference for them is so trivial that I’d hesitate to recommend one over the other, and I’d say to pick whichever is cheaper at the time.

I see no reason to buy imports when there are solid, affordable US made options available.
 

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I don’t share the love for Wrights.

I bought a set years ago, but really rarely reach for them over anything else in my toolbox.

My nuts don’t care what wrench brand they get screwed by.
 

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I bought a set of Wright satin finish metric wrenches from Harry J Epstein's a couple of years ago. Beyond happy with then. Feel fantastic in the hand (hard to describe, but they just feel quality) and really bite into bolts and nuts.
Same, except i bought mine a few months ago. The satin looks great and the thick, rounded beam feels great in the hand. They perform just as well as they look, too.IMG_0135.jpeg
 

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Wrights are very nice but they are thick which can cause issues where clearance is tight. I say get a set of satin Wrights and one of the German brands, Stahlwille or Hazet for the other set. You do need two sets ya know!
 

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I have a full Wright set 7-24mm and really like them, just wish they were a hair longer.
 

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If you buy Wright wrenches make sure it's from a dealer that will stand behind them. As of late their warranty policy has been boiled down to one word and that word is no. They probably were too liberal in the past but lately they are not warranting stuff that should be especially peeling chrome. Their satin Chrome is pretty good but their high polish chrome leaves a lot to be desired in resistance to peeling both on the wrenches and their sockets. I have a fair amount of both and the satin wrenches have been pretty good, but the Chrome sockets are unacceptable to me when it comes to peeling. Hopefully a good dealer can get them warrantied but directly to Wright has been virtually impossible lately.
 

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For me, it depends on the usage.

When I'm working on decades old rust belt vehicles where rounding a fastener is going to ruin my day, I use Snap On.

When I'm working indoors on lightly torqued never corroded fasteners, I use Tekton.

That's not to say I think the Tektons wouldn't get the job done; its that I want the absolute best possible chance of success when hours of cursing hangs in the balance.
 
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I have a lot of wrench brands.

The ones that live in my cart, combo wrenches, are Wright Grips. The beam is more comfortable and I don't typically feel the need for a longer pattern outside of an alignment where I'm using the open end.

Snap On FD+, Wright grip, Proto (mine are regular non ASD) are all great. The cornwell ratcheting wrenches with the toothed open end are pretty good, Taiwanese made. The USA cornwell wrenches never impressed me a ton. Uncomfortable beam. Snap on FD+ have a different beam and open end than Williams Super combos, so that's not a cheat code for cheap snap on. Although like all my Williams stuff I'm sure it's good quality.

It's really about what you want to do with them. I used Sunex combos for a few years, they were okay, still use them occasionally. For 12pt ends the question is how much do you want to spend and how rotten is the hardware? My wrenches at home are tekton and sunex, not premium wrenches and they'll make you sweat a little on something extra crusty or tight but they work.
 
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There are a LOT of good wrenches out there.

Snap-On, Wright, Hazet, USAG, Facom if you're a stickler for non-Asian.... Capri and Tekton are quite good, too.

For this stuff, I never understood the "American stuff from flea market" mind set. You're not supporting the brand, and while stuff like Snap-On can withstand decades of use, lots of other stuff is simply sloppy-seconds. I have Craftsman and SK stuff that I wore out!

-Ryan
 
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There are a LOT of good wrenches out there.

Snap-On, Wright, Hazet, USAG, Facom if you're a stickler for non-Asian.... Capri and Tekton are quite good, too.

For this stuff, I never understood the "American stuff from flea market" mind set. You're not supporting the brand, and while stuff like Snap-On can withstand decades of use, lots of other stuff is simply sloppy-seconds. I have Craftsman and SK stuff that I wore out!

-Ryan

A lot of it is basically just in case or backup/beater stuff; honestly more or less collected more than used. You've gotta be EXTREMELY careful, as sloppy seconds seems to be the truth--it's probably stuff they just couldn't sell. Sockets (so far, nearly all Craftsman except for 1x each Bonney and Armstrong) are spares to those my Granddad bought new, and I keep a Craftsman bit driver in all my boxes (got 3-4 in one go at the flea market). The woodworking tools--basically every small job, and through some weird twist of fate, one Disston saw turned out to be my great-great Granddad's. An engraving on the handle matched up to a stubby screwdriver with his initials I had to the tee. There was a huge box of woodworking tools I should've checked closer, as the saw may have came out of them.

I've noticed the vast majority of sockets seemed to have impact damage, so I left them behind. Out of probably thousands of tools one seller (who acquired them through cleaning out his rentals) had, I maybe picked out a total of 15-20 tools (predominately sockets) that were decent enough.

SK's largely been retired due to the Great Star buyout. I like my Tuff-1 ratchets, but they're basically Facom guts in an American forging.
 

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I’ll pick pawnshop or garage sale truck or industrial brand tools over new Taiwan just about every time. In the case of tools like Wright or Williams or Proto, new is a much better deal than most truck brands, and a lot more tool (in some cases) than the Asian imports.

Part of it is the fact that is simply like those tools more, part of it is the fact that I can often (not always) warranty them, and part of it is I simply feel they are a better tool. Mostly, however, it’s because I like them more.

No one gives is ever gonna give a damn about grandpa’s Capri or Icons, but they will never ask if he bought his SnapOn or Matcos new or used.
 
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cody1325

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I’ll pick pawnshop or garage sale truck or industrial brand tools over new Taiwan just about every time. In the case of tools like Wright or Williams or Proto, new is a much better deal than most truck brands, and a lot more tool (in some cases) than the Asian imports.

Part of it is the fact that is simply like those tools more, part of it is the fact that I can often (not always) warranty them, and part of it is I simply feel they are a better tool. Mostly, however, it’s because I like them more.

No one gives is ever gonna give a damn about grandpa’s Capri or Icons, but they will never ask if he bought his SnapOn or Matcos new or used.


I went over the wrenches Granddad left me--Blackhawk SAE(currently, my favorites to use--with gaps filled out by Proto ASD), SK (buddy of his worked for a mine supply that only sold SK--he always bought him something for Christmas), Proto, and Action (Thorsen), plus Craftsman, loads of Craftsman. Despite decades of abuse, they're all going strong. Some of the Craftsman was given to him by my grandmother as a part of a mechanic's tool set in a nice box for their first wedding anniversary in '64. Currently, I'm filling the box (which was what my own tools were kept in before his passing) they came in back out based on some old Sears catalogs to look like it did new--thus I've been looking at a ton of "-V-" code stuff. I've hoestly been surprised that I found several sockets, two wrenches (looks like it only came with DOE SAE), speeder, and two of the three original ratchets (I've got a -V- code 1/4 that came in an SK set I bought to fill that gap).


The generic Made in Taiwan or Benchtop--got thrown in a box as backups. Granddad mostly used them as junk disposable wrenches thatwere to be beat on). Guy I know likes making furniture pulls out of old wrenches, so I'll see if he can give me USA in return for it. I figure I can make those wrenches do something useful, while saving some decent stuff from "upcycling".

The Gearwrench are the only imports that are sentimental to me. I bought them as a kid for his father's day gifts (SAE stubby and metric). We both used them constantly working on equipment together.
 

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I refuse to own a set of metric wrenches made in a country that doesn't believe in the metric system.

That being said, my wrenches are Heyco.
Well, if you’re referring to the US you may need to reconsider: our weights and measures have been based on the metric system as of July 1st, 1959. An inch is defined as a unit of length equivalent to 25.4mm, according to our National Institute of Standards and Technology:

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Well, if you’re referring to the US you may need to reconsider: our weights and measures have been based on the metric system as of July 1st, 1959. An inch is defined as a unit of length equivalent to 25.4mm, according to our National Institute of Standards and Technology:

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That’s what THEY want you to believe.

An inch is, of course, based on three barleycorns placed end-to-end lengthwise. It has been this way since 1324. Quit trying to change us.
 

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Throw me into the "another one for Wrights" camp. I picked up Metric wright grips along time ago and love them.
Used them at work for years without issue. Great quality tho they are a bit shorter than most.
That said I also picked up a pair of Williams super combos that have been gravitating towards my hand more and more.
 

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I have used both Wrights and Photos and don't think you could go wrong either way. If I were going import I'd just wait for a deal on ICON for convenience and ease of warranty.

Apparently Channellock was sourcing wrenches from the same wrench supplier as ICON and you can pick up 10-19 sets for under $75 online now and then.
 

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I have a bunch of different brands, but for currently available USA made, I have Williams supercombos- thick beam, very comfortable, nice chrome, grooved open end for better grip. If I was buying today, not sure what I'd decide on, but I'd definitely give Proto and Wright a look; I think the satin finish Wright are beautiful. If you also want to add a set of double box ends, I like my Stahlwilles.
 

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I'm happy with my MasterCraft wrenches. Rumor has it they are made by Stanley.
 

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I have used both Wrights and Photos and don't think you could go wrong either way. If I were going import I'd just wait for a deal on ICON for convenience and ease of warranty.

Apparently Channellock was sourcing wrenches from the same wrench supplier as ICON and you can pick up 10-19 sets for under $75 online now and then.
I own some of these older Taiwan Channel Lock wrenches. Thet were decent when produced in Taiwan, but most are Chinese sourced now. I perfer my long panel Carlyles, Williams stubbies, & WEN reversible ratcheting wrenches.

Infar (Wen, Carlyle, Williams) & Kabo (Tekton, Icon, WEN) wrenches are quality for a reasonable price.
 

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I refuse to own a set of metric wrenches made in a country that doesn't believe in the metric system.

That being said, my wrenches are Heyco.
Fun fact, the legal definition of the inch in the USA is precisely 25.4mm EXACTLY.

The US is on the metric system. We just don't admit it.

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