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Which cordless tool brand is going to have the longest production life?

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Really? I haven't seen a NiCad battery at HD since the 1st store I worked at back in 2019-2021.

Agree. I bought some 18V DeWalt cordless tools in ~2010 and after ~8 years the batteries started dying; after ~10 years they were all dead, so this was ~2020; by this time the OE DeWalt 18V batteries were gone and it was only generic yellow aftermarket 18V. I bought a few new DeWalt 20V tools, and 20V batteries, and a DeWalt 18V to 20V adapter to use on the old tools, primarily the reciprocating saw, so that I could look for sales along the way. Once I replaced the reciprocating saw with a 20V, I took all the old 18V stuff, with the 18-20V adapter, to Habitat Restore.

With regard to the other posts on popularity, in my area (TN) I see much more yellow than red in residential construction and renovations. Makita, Bosch, Metabo..... cordless is essentially non-existent. Lots of homeowners, including me (for a few items), are using Ryobi because of the cost. I don't have any data readily available, but the DeWalt 20V batteries seem cheaper now than they were 4-5 years ago, ignoring inflation. Either that, and/or there are a lot more sales now.
 
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Agree. I bought some 18V DeWalt cordless tools in ~2010 and after ~8 years the batteries started dying; after ~10 years they were all dead, so this was ~2020; by this time the OE DeWalt 18V batteries were gone and it was only generic yellow aftermarket 18V. I bought a few new DeWalt 20V tools and a DeWalt 18V to 20V adapter to use on the old tools, primarily the reciprocating saw, so that I could look for sales along the way. Once I replaced the reciprocating saw with a 20V, I took all the old 18V stuff, with the 18-20V adapter, to Habitat Restore.

With regard to the other posts on popularity, in my area I see much more yellow than red in residential construction and renovations. Makita, Bosch, Metabo..... cordless is essentially non-existent. Lots of homeowners, including me (for a few items), are using Ryobi because of the cost. I don't have any data readily available, but the DeWalt 20V batteries seem cheaper now than they were 4-5 years ago, ignoring inflation. Either that, and/or there are a lot more sales now.
Seems like builders/carpenters around here really favor DeWalt here as well, but the skilled trades are all using Milwaukee and a few are using Makita. Imagine that is cause of big red building hoards of trade specific tools aimed at plumbers, electricians etc.
 

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I chose DeWalt based on two things; commonality and support. DeWalt has stayed pretty damned loyal to battery architecture. Even when they make the 18v NiCad to 20v Lithium jump, they sold the adapter to make the old tools were still relevant.

Even more important to me is that DeWalt is the more popular choice in my area, which means I can find deals on used tools at the pawn shop, estate sales, FBMP, etc…

I currently have something like 8 4aH, 8 5aH, 5 6ah and 2 PowerStack batteries, and they have all been acquired with tools. Some new in package deals, most with used tools. I have some old 2ah batteries that are over 10 years old and they work just fine.

In other areas, Milwaukee may be more prevalent, and in that case I would have went that direction. So far I haven’t been disappointed.
 

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Does anyone have any opinions on the 12v Milwaukee drills? I like how compact they appear to be and are very modestly priced local to me.

How gimped are they compared to the 18v?
It depends on the model, but the FUEL models are pretty great.

Personally, I went Milwaukee as they seem to have built for the long run with their platform and they don't have any weird size-based restrictions like I've seen from some (e.g. older tools aren't spaced correctly to use newer batteries even when the connections would work. Milwaukee appears to be upgrading the tech inside the batteries rather than displacing their existing M12/M18 line.

That's pretty much true for modern DeWalt, too. I chose Milwaukee because the things I was going to use the most were better for me than the Yellow competitors, but I don't think there's a mistake to be made between the two.

I don't think Ryobi is sold in NZ, but they've had amazing longevity in their battery platform. It's made for some awkward designs, and I think some of their tools are good-but-not-very-good. They do seem to offer good value.

As far as corded vs. cordless, I hate cords/hosess for just about everything. For any tool that isn't stationary, freedom from a cord is a great thing. And the battery tools have modes/smart-innards that are pretty great. I don't miss any of my corded or air tools at all - I mean literally zero.
 

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Sometimes I feel I should just go with a name brand that has the cheapest batteries as I rarely find much difference between cordless tool brands.
This is what I did. I have Ryobi stuff, just because the battery replacements are so cheap. I am not a pro-gamer, so it depends on your needs. The brushless Ryobi stuff is certified good enough for me. I have corded stuff like you described too (mostly Milwaukee) but hardly pull it out.

However I work in factories and the batteries now a days last and last. Technology is way better than even 10 years ago. If you need pro grade Makita, Milwaukee, and DeWalt are excellent and last long and likely what I'd commit too. I think barely next tier down is Hitachi, Bosch, and Ridgid. Below that Ryobi, Kobalt, Craftsman and the like. My opinion of course.
 

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If you really want the answer: Dewalt. But the question seems so impractical as to be kind of silly.

Dewalt and Milwaukee are the giants of the cordless tool industry. The difference in availability of batteries is likely negligible between them. You could really choose Milwaukee just as easily. Dewalt gets the edge only because it's part of a much larger company, they have a history of less changes and dead-ends (though there are still some: 40v) and backwards-compatibility (e.g. the 20v max to 18v ni-cd adapter). One more possible advantage (though it seems to be becoming less relevant) is that Dewalt's 20v and 60v packs have some compatibility, so even if Dewalt went to higher voltage some day across the board (highly unlikely), you're already future-proofed for that too.

However, both of those behemoths are coming out with brand-new battery tech RIGHT NOW in their existing format. Neither is going anywhere and they're clearly prepping for future expansion. There's just no reason to think either format will change in the foreseeable future.

However, the reason I think it is kind of a silly question, is that most old tools are so wildly outdated by the time their batteries change that it doesn't make sense to buy new old-school batteries even if you can. E.g. Who cares if you even could find a 18v Bosch ni-cd pack now? It would be nuts to replace it since you could buy even the $99 holiday-special drill and have a MUCH more capable tool.

It seems to me this question only gets asked by people who haven't tried the new tech. By the time your old format batteries are obsolete, so is the tool. Even if you could keep the tool going, it would cost too much to be worthwhile.

The only time the concern makes sense is if you buy into a newish-line that is quickly abandoned.
  • DeWalt 40v users probably felt like that.
  • Same thing for Milwauke V18.
  • Flex is new and exciting - but there's some signs of stress cracks (I think it's unlikely to disappear, just not impossible).
  • Makita XGT doesn't make sense - so even though they're new and still releasing regularly, that could be a concern.
  • Bosch is unlikely to go-away, but they seem to be shrinking in North America.
  • CAT is on it's way out.
  • Kobalt is the red-haired step child now that Craftsman took over the shelves at Lowes.
 

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Does anyone have any opinions on the 12v Milwaukee drills? I like how compact they appear to be and are very modestly priced local to me.

How gimped are they compared to the 18v?
I had a ridgid drill and impact purchased in 2009 or 2010, never had a failure but they had become too big and heavy for my sever arthritis to handle them, I gave them to my brother and he uses them way more than I did and still going strong.
I replaced them w/an m12 set and they are just as strong as the ridgids altho I haven't had a chance to use them on a thicker metal surface.
 

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I have some of the DeWalt 12v stuff and absolutely love it. I feel like DeWalt has kind of left that line in the shadows for the most part, and that’s unfortunate.

The little 12v brushless drill is always the first one I grab, the 3/8 impact is handy as hell, and the the 12v ratchet is so much better than the 20v version. I need to stock up on 12v batteries.
 

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Does anyone have any opinions on the 12v Milwaukee drills? I like how compact they appear to be and are very modestly priced local to me.

How gimped are they compared to the 18v?
I have a large selection of daily M12 spinny tools... Along with a crate of 20v dewalts... The M12s are my go to... But I do use up a battery or two each year. Same is true with the dewalts.
 

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Metabo and its owners have introduced the CAS Battery System, (Cordless Alliance System), which is being used not just by Metabo, but also by a number of other power tool manufacturers, who don’t manufacture their own battery system.
The CAS battery system is being used by more than three dozen brands, so comparable quality batteries should be available for a while, especially since dome of the tool brands are making tools that can easily cost $2,000 or more.

Bosch has introduced a separate battery dystem called the AMPshare system, that is also designed as a “universal” battery system, for outside power tool manufacturers to use.
The AMPshare sustrm, other than Bosch, is bring used by Fein on newer tools, and by maybe a couple dozen other manufacturers, such as Steinel and Rothenberger.
These are also expensive manufacturers of specialty equipment, and part of the drive for the two systems might have been power tool manufacturers in the past who used other manufacturer’s battery systems, and then wound up with power tool models and customers with orphaned battery systems.
I presume there must be a contract in place to keep the battery system in production for a certain number of years.
Still, both Metabo and Bosch have manufactured a number of different battery systems and voltage variations, that have all been cancelled.

As far as individual manufacturers keeping their their battery systems around for a long time, I think Dewalt and Makita may be the two with the best reputation, however I believe both have also discontinued certain systems.
Milwaukee has at least half a dozen separate battery systems they have abandoned since the 1980s or 1990s, which sort of *****, since dome of the systems were used by the above specialty manufacturers who made tools that cost $2,000+.
Fein seemed to basically design a new battery system every time they upgraded their cordless drill design, and despite Festool’s reputation for “modularity”, Festool also did similar, although not quite to the same extent.
 

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I need a new battery drill. Most of my power tools are corded so whether someone does or doesn’t make it anymore means nothing.

However with battery tools it is a different deal. For example the drill I am replacing is an old blue Bosch. What has killed this drill is not the drill. Drill works great. But the batteries don’t hold a charge any more and are no longer made.

Lots of perfectly good brands, Milwaukee, dewalt, makita, etc.

But who is going to have the longest availability of batteries? Also the smallest range.

Makita I love your stuff but there is no reason to have a dozen drill options.

I do not have a collection of batteries that will cause me to choose any specific brand.
“Makita I love your stuff but there is no reason to have a dozen drill options.”,
Makita is an Industrial manufacturer of power tools.
“Industrial Manufacturers” routinely make a dozen or two dozen different models of very similar tools, so that the tools can be optimized for whatever industrial customer needs that type of tool.
You should see the number of models of screwdrivers any industrial manufacturer makes just for driving in screws on an assembly line.
 
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If you really want the answer: Dewalt. But the question seems so impractical as to be kind of silly.

Dewalt and Milwaukee are the giants of the cordless tool industry. The difference in availability of batteries is likely negligible between them. You could really choose Milwaukee just as easily. Dewalt gets the edge only because it's part of a much larger company, they have a history of less changes and dead-ends (though there are still some: 40v) and backwards-compatibility (e.g. the 20v max to 18v ni-cd adapter). One more possible advantage (though it seems to be becoming less relevant) is that Dewalt's 20v and 60v packs have some compatibility, so even if Dewalt went to higher voltage some day across the board (highly unlikely), you're already future-proofed for that too.

However, both of those behemoths are coming out with brand-new battery tech RIGHT NOW in their existing format. Neither is going anywhere and they're clearly prepping for future expansion. There's just no reason to think either format will change in the foreseeable future.

However, the reason I think it is kind of a silly question, is that most old tools are so wildly outdated by the time their batteries change that it doesn't make sense to buy new old-school batteries even if you can. E.g. Who cares if you even could find a 18v Bosch ni-cd pack now? It would be nuts to replace it since you could buy even the $99 holiday-special drill and have a MUCH more capable tool.

It seems to me this question only gets asked by people who haven't tried the new tech. By the time your old format batteries are obsolete, so is the tool. Even if you could keep the tool going, it would cost too much to be worthwhile.

The only time the concern makes sense is if you buy into a newish-line that is quickly abandoned.
  • DeWalt 40v users probably felt like that.
  • Same thing for Milwauke V18.
  • Flex is new and exciting - but there's some signs of stress cracks (I think it's unlikely to disappear, just not impossible).
  • Makita XGT doesn't make sense - so even though they're new and still releasing regularly, that could be a concern.
  • Bosch is unlikely to go-away, but they seem to be shrinking in North America.
  • CAT is on it's way out.
  • Kobalt is the red-haired step child now that Craftsman took over the shelves at Lowes.

I know exactly what you are saying. My issue is I have used the new tech and my old drill has the same features the new ones do. It was the best you could get when it was new.
 

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I know exactly what you are saying. My issue is I have used the new tech and my old drill has the same features the new ones do. It was the best you could get when it was new.
I have an old, Skil “Dual Source” drill that can use a cord or a ni-cad battery. It’s old tech, inexpensive when I bought it, but basic and handy. Before investing in a new platform.. I found an Ni-MH replacement from a third party. It fit and brought renewed life to the drill. Now.. after months of not touching it.. I can pick it up and use it straight away. The cord comes in handy too if no battery powered drills are available.

If you can find a modern replacement battery it’s worth looking into. I spent only $24.

Now however, I barely use it, because I got a Milwaukee M12 Surge impact driver and Fuel hammer drill. These are higher end, new tech and I’m happy with them. They are more compact, more powerful, offer more accessories I can get with the M12 system. My contractor uses and recommended Milwaukee.

My point is if you’re happy with your old Bosch.. see if you can find a third party battery with newer battery tech.

Sorry if this has already been suggested or you’ve looked and haven’t found any. I didn’t read the whole thread.
 

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I've had my Bosch drill driver since around 2014 and it's still going strong. I have several other tools now in that same 18
v platform and all of them serve me well. I haven't had the other brands so I can't do comparison. Only report that I'm happy with them. Unfortunately they don't offer the range of tools available by yellow or red but what they do offer are good tools. No regrets, whatsoever.
 

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Seems like builders/carpenters around here really favor DeWalt here as well, but the skilled trades are all using Milwaukee and a few are using Makita. Imagine that is cause of big red building hoards of trade specific tools aimed at plumbers, electricians etc.

All the plumbing stuff that shows up on my YouTube feed is 90% Milwaukee. OTOH, 90% of the guys replacing decks, etc, in my subdivision are using DeWalt. Same with the roofers and guys framing houses that I see here. Obviously, I can't see what plumbers or electricians are using since they're inside, but DeWalt has the outside/visible stuff locked up here. In addition, I have several neighbors with DeWalt OPE, including one guy with a mower. I have an Ego blower and trimmer, so I abandoned DW with OPE for the brand that mostly owns OPE.

Regardless, you can't go wrong with red, yellow, or green for homeowner use; at least in the US. I had no problem spending more for DeWalt vs Ryobi for the stuff that I'm going to use the most for the better ergonomics and just nicer tools. For someone that's going to use a cordless drill every few months to drill a few holes, the 98% user, then Ryobi will be fine.
 

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I think you have to see what is popular in NZ as far as tools, support, repairs and replacement batteries. Makita LXT is a global leader especially in the EU, but I don't know about NZ. Milwaukee is a leader in the USA, but not sure about other countries.
 

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Power tools, particularly cordless tools, have always been kinda disposable. They wear out and technology just advances and changes. Even if I had a brand new De-Walt 18V ni-cad drill from 1995 in my shop, I wouldn't want to use it. Modern brushless drills are light years better. Even corded tools have this, but slower. Take a look at power tools from the 50's and 60's. Yeah, they may still plug in and turn on, but they're nowhere near as good as modern stuff.

Buy whatever brand sells the tools for what you need, and plan to replace them in 10-15 years. Milwaukee, DeWalt and Bosch are my choices for the most likely platforms to have the highest longevity, simply due to market share and usage.

Most power tool users are in the business of making money with their tools. They're a depreciating business asset, written off in full in a year as the cost of doing business. Over the life of a $300 tool, it will probably make tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars for the user. If you needed to replace it every 6 months, so what?

As a light home user, you just gotta accept that you won't be passing your cordless tools down to the next generation with your wrenches and sockets.
 
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Power tools, particularly cordless tools, have always been kinda disposable. They wear out and technology just advances and changes. Even if I had a brand new De-Walt 18V ni-cad drill from 1995 in my shop, I wouldn't want to use it. Modern brushless drills are light years better. Even corded tools have this, but slower. Take a look at power tools from the 50's and 60's. Yeah, they may still plug in and turn on, but they're nowhere near as good as modern stuff.

Buy whatever brand sells the tools for what you need, and plan to replace them in 10-15 years. Milwaukee, DeWalt and Bosch are my choices for the most likely platforms to have the highest longevity, simply due to market share and usage.

Most power tool users are in the business of making money with their tools. They're a depreciating business asset, written off in full in a year as the cost of doing business. Over the life of a $300 tool, it will probably make tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars for the user. If you needed to replace it every 6 months, so what?

As a light home user, you just gotta accept that you won't be passing your cordless tools down to the next generation with your wrenches and sockets.
“Take a look at power tools from the 50's and 60's. Yeah, they may still plug in and turn on, but they're nowhere near as good as modern stuff. “

This actually varies somewhat.
The electric motors used in corded tools may have gotten better, but not necessarily in all cases, and unless a tool is in use for a couple decades, it’s hard to tell if the motors have actually improved in various ways such as longevity or power, especially without certain testing that most power tool user will never do.
Simply raising the wattage/amperage rating on a motor does not prove the motor is more powerful.
Making a smaller motor, that can accomplish the same task as a larger motor usually is an improvement, and that has happened, but not necessarily in all cases.
Plunge track saws may be an improvement, but Festool charges 5x-10x what a regular circular used to or foes cost for those improvements, and fancy tools with high precision or modular use also existed in the past, just the average consumer didn’t own or use those tools because they were equivalent in cost to Mafell and Festool prices nowadays.
 

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“Take a look at power tools from the 50's and 60's. Yeah, they may still plug in and turn on, but they're nowhere near as good as modern stuff. “

This actually varies somewhat.
The electric motors used in corded tools may have gotten better, but not necessarily in all cases, and unless a tool is in use for a couple decades, it’s hard to tell if the motors have actually improved in various ways such as longevity or power, especially without certain testing that most power tool user will never do.
Simply raising the wattage/amperage rating on a motor does not prove the motor is more powerful.
Making a smaller motor, that can accomplish the same task as a larger motor usually is an improvement, and that has happened, but not necessarily in all cases.
Plunge track saws may be an improvement, but Festool charges 5x-10x what a regular circular used to or foes cost for those improvements, and fancy tools with high precision or modular use also existed in the past, just the average consumer didn’t own or use those tools because they were equivalent in cost to Mafell and Festool prices nowadays.
There's always exceptions to the rule, of course, but I would argue that even accounting for survivorship bias, no handheld corded power tool from the days of yore is better than its modern day counterpart. "They don't build them like they used to" is a feature, not a bug in 99% of cases.

Remember, there's more to a power tool than just the motor. Case/housing materials, ergonomics, weight, efficiency, features, safety, etc. I have an old electric impact wrench, probably from the 60's. It works, but it's so heavy, slow and comparatively weak next to a modern Milwaukee cordless impact I would never even consider trying to use it as a regular tool. Heck, the modern battery impacts are outpacing even the super high quality air tools now, and that was a serious obstacle. Modern cordless drills have fantastic clutches and the chucks are significantly better than the old ones. My Metabo cordless has interchangeable chucks, allowing me to switch between a pilot drill and the main drill, or countersink or whatever. Very handy.

I've used my great grandpa's black and decker 9" grinder side by side with my modern Metabo, the Metabo is better in every measurable way. When's the last time you used a jigsaw from the 70's next to a modern Bosch? No comparison. Even a simple circular saw for example. My buddy was re-building his deck. His Grandpa's gently used 80's era Craftsman let the magic smoke out about an hour into the day, and I promise it had led a very gentle life. The cheap Makita finished the job.

Cordless tools take all the problems that corded tools have and add the complexity and cost of a battery system.

I understand wanting your tools to last forever, but it's just not practical with power tools. Even multi million dollar machine tools have a lifetime expectancy. Even if used gently and with all the appropriate maintenance and care, you'd be surprised by the seemingly short lifespan of some of these machines. We just replaced a laser at work a few months ago, the machine it replaced was only about 8 years old. I asked if that was typical and I was told it was in the expected life cycle of that style machine. Yeah, it costs a million plus to replace it, but it will generate many millions during it's life. And the new laser will cut twice as thick using considerably less power and is about twice or 3x as fast. It's the same with a drill or a sawzall, just on a much smaller scale.

Now, I have some corded power tools that I expect to last me for at least 20 more years, given how often I use them and how little I need the cutting edge tech. But my sawzall is from the 2010s, and it still will do laps around my Dad's Tigersaw from the 90's. I use a sawzall once or twice a month, if that, so I don't really care if it takes a bit longer or is a bit heavier. If I used a sawzall every day for my job, I'd be all over the new tech. Imagine where we'll be in another 20-30 years. Corded tools have the significant advantage of not relying on a battery, which has a ticking clock whether you use it or it sits in a drawer.

"Hard line" hand tools can be expected to last several generations if treated well. Power tools, air tools, machinery and pretty much anything with a battery, motor or circuit board is going to have a lifetime measured in years, not generations.
 

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I'd like to contribute here, but I still use my Craftsman 19.2V cordless tools. What work I still do, they're doing the job. I've bought aftermarket replacement Li/ion batteries, and they have worked similar to the OEM batteries.

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One of my tools I have that is corded and which does work in tight confines is my articulating blade Porter Cable TigerClaw. The way the blade can be positioned has helped me to do work easily in tight confines.

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No need to cross the street when you see me with my Craftsman 19.2V tools headed your way. Remember "there but for the grace of God, go I."
 

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I have some of the DeWalt 12v stuff and absolutely love it. I feel like DeWalt has kind of left that line in the shadows for the most part, and that’s unfortunate.

The little 12v brushless drill is always the first one I grab, the 3/8 impact is handy as hell, and the the 12v ratchet is so much better than the 20v version. I need to stock up on 12v batteries.
I have DeWalt 20v tools that I use but I bought my wife the 12v drill/impact combo. The weight and size make them perfect for her and since they are in the garage they are my go to for simple repairs in the house. I found a 12v oscillating tool new at a pawn shop for $60 and for it's size it holds it's own against the corded hyper tough. I didn't need it but it was cheap enough even though it's a seldom used tool.
 

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I'd like to contribute here, but I still use my Craftsman 19.2V cordless tools. What work I still do, they're doing the job. I've bought aftermarket replacement Li/ion batteries, and they have worked similar to the OEM batteries.


No need to cross the street when you see me with my Craftsman 19.2V tools headed your way. Remember "there but for the grace of God, go I."
I had the C3 system too. I was very happy with those tools, and pretty pissed off when Craftsman orphaned the line. So I over-did it in terms of research and thinking and wound up choosing Milwaukee as my new platform:
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(and that was the smaller of the two drills :oops:)

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The Stubby was actually more powerful :ROFLMAO:

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Shown here with the vastly-more-powerful 2767 (with a silly battery on it since the bigger one hadn't arrived yet)

But none of the C3 tools were better (or close) to the Milwaukee stuff I replaced them with. That's as much a comment on general progress as anything, which is directly-applicable to the corded vs. cordless debate: The cordless tools are getting all the R&D, and thus have come a long way. There are a few places where cordless hasn't eclipsed their corded predecessors, but there aren't very many.
 

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I had the C3 system too. I was very happy with those tools, and pretty pissed off when Craftsman orphaned the line. So I over-did it in terms of research and thinking and wound up choosing Milwaukee as my new platform:
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(and that was the smaller of the two drills :oops:)

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The Stubby was actually more powerful :ROFLMAO:

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Shown here with the vastly-more-powerful 2767 (with a silly battery on it since the bigger one hadn't arrived yet)

But none of the C3 tools were better (or close) to the Milwaukee stuff I replaced them with. That's as much a comment on general progress as anything, which is directly-applicable to the corded vs. cordless debate: The cordless tools are getting all the R&D, and thus have come a long way. There are a few places where cordless hasn't eclipsed their corded predecessors, but there aren't very many.
Yep, I have those Craftsman C3 tools, not sure which of the impact tools I have you show, I think I have the first one. I also have the impact C3 Craftsman that takes the hex drive to 1/4" 3/8" 1/2" drives for the hex shafts. I have a couple of the reciprocating blade saws and find those useful in the yard.
 

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I've have handful of Cman 19.2v tools some approaching 20 years. Jumped from Nicad to the Lion that are almost as old. They have been awesome for home use.

Had the 1/2" impact finally quit (might have been just a brush) but said chuck-it and went for a Hercules 20v. Well made and powerful. Decided yesterday to go for the 1/4" hex brushless impact getting the tool/battery/charger for under $85 out the door with 20% off. Well made as well with good features. 5 year warranty (3 yr battery and charger)

I think I'm just going with the Hercules platform from now on. As far a longevity, It should be around as long as the Milwaukee products, since HF competes directly with those products and sells for about 1/2 the price.

Doesn't do the OP much good though, living abroad,
 

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One thing not mentioned and, to me, the most important, is to see how the tool(s) feel in your hand.

When I was looking to replace my Craftsman Pro stuff many years ago, I went to Lowes and HD to see what they had. As soon as I picked up the DeWalt drill/driver, I knew that was the winner. The balance and grip were perfect for me.

As long as you stay mainstream - DeWalt, Milwaukee, Ridgid, etc. I really wouldn't put the highest priority/worry on battery availability way down the road.
 

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I am a Makita fan and have been one since the days of the long 9.6 Volt battery.

Nothing wrong with Makita except for the fact that their battery pricing is NUTS. Also their 18 Volt system uses the same 18650 cells that most other brands moved on from five years ago. Being able to buy a Milwaukee FORGE battery cheaper than a 6.0 18650 Makita battery is simply stupid.
 

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Milwaukee offers over 200 M18 battery powered tools

They aren't going to ditch that format anytime soon (heads would roll)
 

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Milwaukee offers over 200 M18 battery powered tools

They aren't going to ditch that format anytime soon (heads would roll)
20 years ago, Milwaukee was making three dozen or more tools in an 18volt battery system, that has since been scrapped.
Not only has that battery system been scrapped, the batteries and chargers were also being used for the AEG branded tools owned by the same parent company, and Atlas Copco cordless tools, also owned by the same parent company, and as a battery system for a number of separate tool manufacturers, such as Draco, Trumpf, Mafell, and likely others.

Milwaukee/AEG/Atlas Copco, discontinuing this battery system, and leaving other companies that also relied on the system is probably one of the reasons “shared battery systems like the CAS system, and AMPshare systems have been proposed.
Milwaukee left a number of manufacturers in the lurch when Milwaukee switched battery systems, asdid Bosch, since some other manufacturers used older Bosch system batteries for their tools, and as fid Metabo, who also supplied battery systems for outside power tool manufacturers.
 
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William Payne

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20 years ago, Milwaukee was making three dozen or more tools in an 18volt battery system, that has since been scrapped.
Not only has that battery system been scrapped, the batteries and chargers were also being used for the AEG branded tools owned by the same parent company, and Atlas Copco cordless tools, also owned by the same parent company, and as a battery system for a number of separate tool manufacturers, such as Draco, Trumpf, Mafell, and likely others.

Milwaukee/AEG/Atlas Copco, discontinuing this battery system, and leaving other companies that also relied on the system is probably one of the reasons “shared battery systems like the CAS system, and AMPshare systems have been proposed.
Milwaukee left a number of manufacturers in the lurch when Milwaukee switched battery systems, asdid Bosch, since some other manufacturers used older Bosch system batteries for their tools, and as fid Metabo, who also supplied battery systems for outside power tool manufacturers.

If Milwaukee as known today has been around that long they sure upped their marketing because they are everywhere today yet 10 years ago I wouldn’t have known they even existed.
 

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If Milwaukee as known today has been around that long they sure upped their marketing because they are everywhere today yet 10 years ago I wouldn’t have known they even existed.
Milwaukee has been sold in the Tool Crib at Home Depot since at least the 1990s.
HD is were I bought all my older Milwaukee tools.
Even when HD had the agreement with, and giant section of Hilti tools in the tool crib, there were still plenty of Milwaukee tools.
Milwaukee Power tools were also mentioned in the Whole Earth Catalog decades ago, (maybe the 1970s or 1980s), as “Industrial Level” tools that were worth seeking out at Industrial Suppliers like Grainger, because Milwaukee tools were “significantly higher quality”, than the hardware store brands.
Most woodworking magazines, at least during the 1990s and after, would almost certainly have tested tool models from Milwaukee in various power tool tests, at least if Milwaukee made a version of the tool being tested.
I honestly knew about Milwaukee power tools way before any knowledge of Snap-On, although that is likely because I didn’t start out with tools for automotive tasks.
 

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All it says on it is 18V 2.0AH. It’s OLD!IMG_3801.jpeg
You can tell that battery is older because of the stem that sticks out of the battery pack to mount the battery in a drill handle, or other tool.
The “stick” on the top usually had a battery cell, (or two), and was a mounting system used by a number of cordless tool manufacturers, most of whom have since dropped that mounting design.
Dewalt, Ryobi, Makita, Panasonic, Milwaukee, Hilti, and a bunch of other tool manufacturers all used that design.
Milwaukee may have been the fist to drop the design, and they even made adapters when they switched to a slide on battery design, although Milwaukee didn’t make adapters as far as I’m aware, any of the later times they changed battery designs.
Panasonic also made battery adapters when they switched to a slide on battery pack design, or at least Panasonic made adapters for the Japanese market.

I’m not sure about the other manufacturers.
Also, that is not the oldest Bosch cordless tool battery pack design.
This style of pack predates that one.
 

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If Milwaukee as known today has been around that long they sure upped their marketing because they are everywhere today yet 10 years ago I wouldn’t have known they even existed.
I think it was much more USA centric until about 10 years back. It’s only the last few years I’ve seen trades using it in the uk
 

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In terms of battery support (original or off brand), it will probably be Makita. If you look on Aliexpress, there are countless Chinese knockoffs of Makita tools and batteries. There are many Dewalt and Milwaukee knockoffs in the USA, but the rest of the world does not have as many of those and Makita kind of dominates the market in Asia...

That is why I assume these will be around for the longest time.
 

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20 years ago, Milwaukee was making three dozen or more tools in an 18volt battery system, that has since been scrapped.
Not only has that battery system been scrapped, the batteries and chargers were also being used for the AEG branded tools owned by the same parent company, and Atlas Copco cordless tools, also owned by the same parent company, and as a battery system for a number of separate tool manufacturers, such as Draco, Trumpf, Mafell, and likely others.

Milwaukee/AEG/Atlas Copco, discontinuing this battery system, and leaving other companies that also relied on the system is probably one of the reasons “shared battery systems like the CAS system, and AMPshare systems have been proposed.
Milwaukee left a number of manufacturers in the lurch when Milwaukee switched battery systems, asdid Bosch, since some other manufacturers used older Bosch system batteries for their tools, and as fid Metabo, who also supplied battery systems for outside power tool manufacturers.
They also had the V28 system. The v28 circular saw and recip saw were really the first ones to compete with corded tools. But they abandoned both the V18 and V28 systems for M18, which is why I will never buy any M18. I still have my V28 vacuum and bandsaw, but I've gotten rid of everything else.

Fortunately there are other good options; my Makita 18V stuff works great.
 
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