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Squankum

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I’ve had these on the list for a while. I’m curious to read your review on how they work. Are they so loose fitting thats its bothersome to hold them straight on the fastener? Enough play to use them as SAE and MM? A candidate for actual daily driver use or specialty use only?

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All good questions! They were intended for my road bag but of course I'll have to use them in the shop for a while so I can find out. Interestingly, one of their alleged features is they can be used on sensitive surfaces (plated, chromed) without marring. Kinda the opposite of the spline drives of yore?
 
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All good questions! They were intended for my road bag but of course I'll have to use them in the shop for a while so I can find out. Interestingly, one of their alleged features is they can be used on sensitive surfaces (plated, chromed) without marring. Kinda the opposite of the spline drives of yore?
My primary interest is the reduced marring. I do lots of anodized aluminum. But it’s all SAE, which is why I’m wondering if the give is great enough to do that.
 

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Bought a Stihl SEA 20 from my dealer as it included not only one battery, but two (and the charger, not shown...) thanks to a free battery promo they were running. Got it to clean out the car (and do hose duty and mess/dry spill cleanup around the house-my trusty 40 year old Eureka doesn't have a hose), as well as provide me with two additional batteries on my GTA26.

Got home, charged it up, and put it to use in the car. It can reach every single nook and cranny with the attachments, and I don't have to lug around a full-size Shop Vac.

Pretty decent little vacuum, AND the filters can be bought from my dealer. The Craftsman I typically used beforehand has Gore-Tex style filters, but Craftsman does not sell them.

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Stanley England 10-598.

I've had the 10-049 (its American cousin) in some form of another for probably 20 years now--first was a chrome-plated model of my great-Grandpa's, and that one had a lock failure (right after being buried behind the retaining wall where I often would reload weed eaters--guessing something in the soil weakened the plastic). For a replaceable-blade, hard use knife, I prefer it to box cutters. Slimmer, better in the hand, and not bulky. Also, blades can be resharpened, and they hold a good edge. I swap between three, and if I do enough damage to an edge, I just toss 'em.

The 10-598 can take more blade profiles, as it has a socket that's the standard size of most marking knives. Also, the blade is easier to get at, and the lock easier to use.

Hard to find in the US, however. Was surprised to find one on the shelf at a local farm and feed. They've sold 10-049 blades for ages, but never any type of knife that takes the blades.

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To compare, my '00s 10-049 that replaced the broken one a couple years back. I didn't buy it new, but it's not that old.

I'd describe the 10-598 as a folding X-ACTO. The blade is MUCH thinner than the 10-049. Thus, probably suited to more precise work.
 

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A few things from Zoro w/20% off. Wera 1/4 and 3/8 locking extensions. Wera mini bit driver, lock n lube coupler and a grease fitting thread identifier. Thought I was getting a good deal on the Lock N Lube but it was cheeper on by a few bucks on the manufacture site. Such as life.
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cody1325

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A few things from Zoro w/20% off. Wera 1/4 and 3/8 locking extensions. Wera mini bit driver, lock n lube coupler and a grease fitting thread identifier. Thought I was getting a good deal on the Lock N Lube but it was cheeper on by a few bucks on the manufacture site. Such as life.
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I do need to get a new Lock N' Lube, mine disappeared. It got taken off a grease gun, and put who the heck knows where.

Didn't know those fitting identifiers existed. Guess I'llh ave to get one. Curious, did British tractors use BSW/Whitworth grease fittings? Been looking at old, cheap beater tractors (most of '60s and '70s vintage) a lot lately, and many are British-assembled.

However, I'll say this--you bought it with other stuff you needed and didn't have to pay shipping. I'm sure that worked out to probably save more than buying it for a little less direct.
 

moemc

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Just ran and checked, and Koken does not make Surface Drive in SAE.

I'll fiddle with some various things.
Ya I know they didn’t make them, that’s why I wanted to know of the metric ones have enough slack to still fit. I know the surface drive are loose, just not sure how loose.
 

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One big ticket item would be (euro-style) cabinetry. Hinges, hardware … A lot of the fasteners for this have a PZ2 drive. https://www.mcmaster.com/products/euro-screws/

Just another example of the same type fastener from Blum, big cabinetry hardware manufacturer also very present in the US: https://www.woodworkerexpress.com/blum-deep-thread-system-screws-7-x-13mm.html


Not every fastener and/or adjustment screw has a PZ2 drive, but a lot do.

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Olli
Never occurred to me that blum slides might use pozi.... I don't usually use blum. Well, I think I used one when I needs something specific
 

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This thread and others like it are getting expensive for me... Some evil person posted up a Zoro deal on a Gedore 1/2" ratchet/socket set. $57 before the ubiquitous 20% discount making it a whopping $46 shipped! Well, it arrived today and I am VERY impressed. My first Gedore tool and the pictures don't do it justice...

What I like:
In the pictures, they look a bit bulky, crude and perhaps not great balance, but not the case! In person they are super nice... Ratchet is smooth, minimal backdrag. Nice knurling on the sockets and extensions.. Extensions are flex/fixed and work really nice. Case is every super well made! In short, I love it! So much I just ordered two more to give as gifts (or hoard for myself).

Possible negatives:
The sockets seem to be some sort of flank drive setup, and there is skip sizing (10,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,24,27,30,32). Some of the sockets are double stamped with metric and SAE equiv.
The ratchet itself is only a 48 tooth (but still very smooth). Not really a big negative in a 1/2" drive

I recently also got the Wera 3/8" Zyklop ratchet/socket set. $90 on sale. A bit apples and oranges since one is a 3/8" set and the other is 1/2", but IMHO, the Gedore blows the Wera away! Half the price for a made in Germany kit vs double for a made in Czech republic. Case is better. Balance is better. Perhaps not as 'pretty', but honestly the Wera didn't impress... Which is a shame because I love there screwdrivers!

Beyond the Wera comparison, I thought it might be interesting to see it next to a Koken and Snap On...

Standard length non-flex ratchets... Top tier German, Japanese, and USA made tools. The Snappy is a beast. Both the Gedore and Koken weigh in at just at a pound with a 17mm socket attached. The Snappy is 50% heavier right at 1.5 lbs. Gedore 48 tooth, Koken 72 tooth, SO 80 tooth. Some pictures and a quick video below...

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The surface drive Kokens I have always seem to weld themselves to a tight bolt when using them. I like the sockets, but on a relatively tight nut with a 27mm head, the Koken always does this, where I can use a regular socket, an old Craftsman, new Tekton or koken regular sockets and the sockets never have an issue. Doesn't give me the confidence of a great fit.
 

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Two Proto flux head ratchets arrived today.

I prefer their 90 tooth pearhead ratchets. The half inch is a beast


I picked up another of the quarter inch as well


I love their quarter inch ratchets, just wish it was a little shorter. Three of these total all in different locations.
 
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Two Proto flux head ratchets arrived today.

I prefer their 90 tooth pearhead ratchets. The half inch is a beast


I picked up another of the quarter inch as well


I love their quarter inch ratchets, just wish it was a little shorter. Three of these total all in different locations.

Nice! Kind of looks a little Mac-like. Been about a month since my 3/8 Mac got dropped off, and I'm still curious what ratchet I'm getting back, as it was one of the old New Britain-made models form the '70s.

Meanwhile, virtually all of my Protos are the style that dates back to the Plomb days.

My handles all have pretty terrible pitting (think one was in a long-neglected tool cabinet on a property we leased, other was found up inside a piece of mining equipment), but still work great if kept clean and lubed up.

What I like is that they have to be the easiest to service ratchet out there, you can still get kits, and they cost pretty much peanuts, as everyone's moved on to nicer ratchets these days (I have too, but keep the Protos around for the tough jobs--since I can easily install repair parts, and get them locally).

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moemc

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This thread and others like it are getting expensive for me... Some evil person posted up a Zoro deal on a Gedore 1/2" ratchet/socket set. $57 before the ubiquitous 20% discount making it a whopping $46 shipped! Well, it arrived today and I am VERY impressed. My first Gedore tool and the pictures don't do it justice...

What I like:
In the pictures, they look a bit bulky, crude and perhaps not great balance, but not the case! In person they are super nice... Ratchet is smooth, minimal backdrag. Nice knurling on the sockets and extensions.. Extensions are flex/fixed and work really nice. Case is every super well made! In short, I love it! So much I just ordered two more to give as gifts (or hoard for myself).

Possible negatives:
The sockets seem to be some sort of flank drive setup, and there is skip sizing (10,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,24,27,30,32). Some of the sockets are double stamped with metric and SAE equiv.
The ratchet itself is only a 48 tooth (but still very smooth). Not really a big negative in a 1/2" drive

I recently also got the Wera 3/8" Zyklop ratchet/socket set. $90 on sale. A bit apples and oranges since one is a 3/8" set and the other is 1/2", but IMHO, the Gedore blows the Wera away! Half the price for a made in Germany kit vs double for a made in Czech republic. Case is better. Balance is better. Perhaps not as 'pretty', but honestly the Wera didn't impress... Which is a shame because I love there screwdrivers!

Beyond the Wera comparison, I thought it might be interesting to see it next to a Koken and Snap On...

Standard length non-flex ratchets... Top tier German, Japanese, and USA made tools. The Snappy is a beast. Both the Gedore and Koken weigh in at just at a pound with a 17mm socket attached. The Snappy is 50% heavier right at 1.5 lbs. Gedore 48 tooth, Koken 72 tooth, SO 80 tooth. Some pictures and a quick video below...

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very exciting. I’m anxiously awaiting mine. Now you’ve got me tempted to go back and order another when I haven’t even held the first yet. If you do any other vids with it, show us how the sockets fit different size hex’s!
 
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Ohio Andy

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Nice! Kind of looks a little Mac-like. Been about a month since my 3/8 Mac got dropped off, and I'm still curious what ratchet I'm getting back, as it was one of the old New Britain-made models form the '70s.

Meanwhile, virtually all of my Protos are the style that dates back to the Plomb days.

My handles all have pretty terrible pitting (think one was in a long-neglected tool cabinet on a property we leased, other was found up inside a piece of mining equipment), but still work great if kept clean and lubed up.

What I like is that they have to be the easiest to service ratchet out there, you can still get kits, and they cost pretty much peanuts, as everyone's moved on to nicer ratchets these days (I have too, but keep the Protos around for the tough jobs--since I can easily install repair parts, and get them locally).

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My Secret Santa last year (Hey Caleb!) sent me a Proto J5249, a 3/8 classic 24 tooth (Coarse) 7" with very low backdrag. He put me onto Proto Ratchets, i had not used one previously.

I also have a J5249XLQR 3/8" Drive 45 tooth 8-1/2" full polish ratchet with a quick release. The back drag is a bit high, but it might wear in. The older lower tooth counts (as in lower than 90) seem to be pretty smooth and reasonably priced.
 

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Walking around Walmart today and came across these Hyper-Tough, Chrome Plated, Thin, Double Open-End Wrench sets. Bought both the SAE and MM sets. They come in their on pouch with a velcro strap. You can see the sizes and how thin they are in the pics.

My current selection of thin wrenches are the old stamped metal type in random sizes. Mostly use them on my motorcycles, bikes and some toys. These should be one step up in quality. Cost was $18.95 each so they didn't break the bank. Hell, I spend more then that eating at Roy Rogers. I'm sure there's better quality ones out there but these should work ok for my retired guy needs.1749264137122.jpeg1749264109415.jpeg1749264082508.jpeg
 
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I remember my jaw dropping when a GJ member didn't have one and couldn't see the appeal!

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I didn’t realize how useful they are until I bought a cheap Hypertough from Walmart to use as a cutoff tool where I couldn’t get an angle grinder. I use it for a bunch of stuff now. When it burns up I’ll probably upgrade to a real Dremel.
 

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Those Proto's sure are pretty... Are they worth the price?
I think so...

The different models feel very different. And I like the feel especially of the 90 tooth.

And if you live near the center of Ohio (Columbus) or someplace between Ann arbor and Pontiac Michigan. I can arrange for you to give a couple models a try.
 
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I think so...

The different models feel very different. And I like the feel especially of the 90 tooth.

And if you live near the center of Ohio (Columbus) or someplace between Ann arbor and Pontiac Michigan. I can arrange for you to give a couple models a try.

Once your done with his project, he’ll let you try his paint brush.
 
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