Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT Jar944's 3car cabinet shop.

[legenddc]

Thanks for making me not regret our wood deck. I checked earlier today and it was showing 101 outside and our deck in full sun was 121.

Over the past few years, our neighborhood has cut down a number massive trees that provided our house a lot of shade. Even with the extra insulation we've installed it keeps getting hotter upstairs. At some point we may need to look into adding another HVAC unit.

Kids do **** up all of your time. When I really need to get something done I'll see if the kids can spend the night at my parents house or have my wife go visit her parents. It does get a lot easier as they get older. Mine would sit in front of screens all day now if we let them but we try to limit that.

 

[cccoltsicehockey]

No AC for 8 years. I don't know man, that seems a bit crazy. Northern VA isn't Vermont weather.

 

[jar944]

No AC for 8 years. I don't know man, that seems a bit crazy. Northern VA isn't Vermont weather.

Just the 2nd floor hvac system.

The lower system works great. The floor plan is open enough to allow effective mixing if the living room ceiling fan is on. This is the first time since 2016 it was running away. Most impressive is the upper unit is a 4t and the lower is 3t, so grossly oversized if both were working.

 

[jar944]

Thanks for making me not regret our wood deck. I checked earlier today and it was showing 101 outside and our deck in full sun was 121.

My deck is south facing (house is oriented due north) so it gets full sun from dawn to dusk. It's arguably the worst location for a deck. The sunshade makes it bearable, but bare feet are not advisable, on the deck or patio in this heat.

 

[cccoltsicehockey]

Just the 2nd floor hvac system.

The lower system works great. The floor plan is open enough to allow effective mixing if the living room ceiling fan is on. This is the first time since 2016 it was running away. Most impressive is the upper unit is a 4t and the lower is 3t, so grossly oversized if both were working.

That is impressive, but definitely oversized if one unit has been keeping the house cool for so long. Understand not wanting to replace one, as I had to replace both of mine this year.

 

[sawduststeve]

Have you nothing better to do than drink beer in your pool, oh wait


Careful though fella , drunk in charge of a unicorn.
Our little one loved the water, just dropped her off this morning for her first week of work experience.
Funnily enough at a mates joinery works, 6 cnc machines for cubicle work, schools airport etc.
Enjoy it while it lasts, it’s over all too quick

Keep cool
Steve

 

[Finallygotit]

Cough* humidity cough*

I knew this was coming!

Yeah, the humidity is a killer and being that I lived in the Chicago area for the first half of my life, I understand. I do not know how the folks in Florida deal with that ****.

 

[jar944]

That is impressive, but definitely oversized if one unit has been keeping the house cool for so long. Understand not wanting to replace one, as I had to replace both of mine this year.

Part of my reluctance to replace the upper unit was my interest in replacing the conventional system that lives in the 150 degree attic with a multi head cassette/ split system., and moving the condenser to the other side of the house ~65' away from where it currently sits. Throwing another pos Goodman in there would be cheap and fast though.

 

[cccoltsicehockey]

Part of my reluctance to replace the upper unit was my interest in replacing the conventional system that lives in the 150 degree attic with a multi head cassette/ split system., and moving the condenser to the other side of the house ~65' away from where it currently sits. Throwing another pos Goodman in there would be cheap and fast though.

Both my units are in the attic, unfortunately. I took a chance on one of the new Hybrid systems from Carrier, which uses an inverter outside unit that looks like your typical mini split condenser and a standard style coil in an air handler. My second floor is smaller than my first floor but it seems to be running about 1/3 less than my first floor system and that only used to be about 1/4 less with my previous 19 year old system.

I agree with trying to get the unit out of the attic if possible. Such a terrible design choice during construction.

 

[bj383ss]

That's crazy our A/C here runs from March to November. There are some days in December it is on. I keep it at 70* 99% of the time. If it isn't hot in the morning its 80%+ humidity. I really need to move to a cold climate but the wife would not survive. She has blankets and hoodies on half the time. I don't even sleep with a cover on me at night.

Bret

 

[jar944]

Have you nothing better to do than drink beer in your pool, oh wait


Careful though fella , drunk in charge of a unicorn.
Our little one loved the water, just dropped her off this morning for her first week of work experience.
Funnily enough at a mates joinery works, 6 cnc machines for cubicle work, schools airport etc.
Enjoy it while it lasts, it’s over all too quick

Keep cool
Steve

I was back in the pool this afternoon enjoying a nice cold beer flavored water (coors). The little man took a nap while floating in his tube. No unicorn for me this time though. Im having a hard time believing he is already 6 months old starting to crawl around. I'm definitely enjoying it though.

The shop sounds like a interesting place. How long does it last?

 

[jar944]

I agree with trying to get the unit out of the attic if possible. Such a terrible design choice during construction.

Cheap and fast are the only reasons and the unconditioned attic hits both of those. As well as being horribly inefficient. Though short of a conditioned attic, all the options are a compromise IMO.

 

[RickP]

Cheap and fast are the only reasons and the unconditioned attic hits both of those. As well as being horribly inefficient. Though short of a conditioned attic, all the options are a compromise IMO.

Our 2nd floor HVAC is in a closet, but all the ducts run through the attic -- it can't keep up either. Our house is similar construction to yours, and we're also considering a mini-split. Have you thought about getting a single head unit just for the master bedroom?

 

[jar944]

Our 2nd floor HVAC is in a closet, but all the ducts run through the attic -- it can't keep up either. Our house is similar construction to yours, and we're also considering a mini-split. Have you thought about getting a single head unit just for the master bedroom?

I have considered individual single head units, but hadn't thought of just one in the master.

I would expect a oversized single conventional system in the attic should be enough to cool the entire house if it was working correctly. Except for the part where you are ******* money away cooling the outside.

 

[RickP]

I would expect a oversized single conventional system in the attic should be enough to cool the entire house

You're right! But ours is undersized, and I didn't realize that when we replaced it a few years ago. (why? because I'm stupid) At least the new one is 16 SEER, so it's more efficient while it's cooling the 120* attic...

Our downstairs unit is 4t, and the upstairs one is 2.5t.
The upstairs one actually does a fair job of cooling the whole house until it gets really hot out. I'm thinking it could keep up if we turned up the thermostat a few degrees and cooled down the master with a mini split.

 

[cccoltsicehockey]

You're right! But ours is undersized, and I didn't realize that when we replaced it a few years ago. (why? because I'm stupid) At least the new one is 16 SEER, so it's more efficient while it's cooling the 120* attic...

Our downstairs unit is 4t, and the upstairs one is 2.5t.
The upstairs one actually does a fair job of cooling the whole house until it gets really hot out. I'm thinking it could keep up if we turned up the thermostat a few degrees and cooled down the master with a mini split.

My downstairs is 3t and upstairs 2t and I really should have went with 4t downstairs cause of the attic issue. That said, in the recent heat wave when it was reading 98, feels like 115, it was still keeping the house at 72. It just had to run for 16hrs a day to do it. At least it is a 16SEER unit like yours.

 

[jar944]

I'm surprised @cccoltsicehockey and @RickP that your upstairs ac is smaller than the lower unit.

 

[cccoltsicehockey]

I'm surprised @cccoltsicehockey and @RickP that your upstairs ac is smaller than the lower unit.

Our upstairs is about 700sqft smaller than the downstairs as the master is on the first floor. There are just 3 medium sized bedrooms, a bathroom, and a bonus area upstairs. I was also wrong. The upstairs is actually 2.5T not 2T.

 

[sawduststeve]

Here you go, see if this works

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My mate is Phil, the first face you see

I don’t know if you have it in the States but it’s a national thing here called Work Experience.
Used to be two weeks now just a week.
All year 10’s, penultimate year of senior school
15year olds are encouraged to contact companies for a taster entry into work.
As you can imagine there is a ton of paperwork involved, so much that I’m surprised anyone says yes.

Steve

To add. Girl child was in the offices, CAD, IT social media, accounts etc, they had a whole weeks program laid out for her.
Though she did get a tour of the shop.
They do some impressive stuff.

 

[RickP]

I'm surprised @cccoltsicehockey and @RickP that your upstairs ac is smaller than the lower unit.

My 2nd floor is a smaller area, and has lower ceilings, so it's a lot less air volume to cool.

Our upstairs is about 700sqft smaller than the downstairs . . . There are just 3 medium sized bedrooms, a bathroom, and a bonus area upstairs. I was also wrong. The upstairs is actually 2.5T not 2T.

Same here. In this heat wave, I'm really wishing I'd upsized it to 3T, because I'm pretty sure it would not have cost much more. The foil/bubble insulation on the vents in the attic is a joke!

 

[jar944]

Perfect day to dig holes outside


Quote was $6900 for a 6x3' concrete pad with 3 course of block on the uphill side and a 9x6' blue stone extension.

9x9 total area.

So I'm digging a hole

 

[Finallygotit]

Perfect day to dig holes outside


Quote was $6900 for a 6x3' concrete pad with 3 course of block on the uphill side and a 9x6' blue stone extension.

9x9 total area.

OUCH!

 

[gba2331]

I hate hate hate digging but I hate spending $6900 even more…

 

[jar944]

I hate hate hate digging but I hate spending $6900 even more…

Same thoughts were running through my head.

The 1.2" of rain we got over 30 minutes yesterday afternoon isn't helping me dig though. Wet red clay just ***** to walk on.

 

[cccoltsicehockey]

Feel your pain. Wet red clay is the worst. I wish I could never see it again, but I live where I live.

 

[RickP]

I lived in Manassas for a very short time, so I'm familiar with that red clay. We have brown clay here instead, but it's mixed with sandstone. I'm not sure if either is worse for digging, but I know they're both pretty awful. (The FEL bucket on the tractor does help sometimes though!)

 

[loganb]

So depending on what version of guy math you're using.....DIY tool budget is between .33 and 2x the quoted cost ...

So what can Jar get that sorta kinda fits in his existing space and costs between call it 2k and 12k? Lol

 

[RickP]

So depending on what version of guy math you're using.....DIY tool budget is between .33 and 2x the quoted cost ...

So what can Jar get that sorta kinda fits in his existing space and costs between call it 2k and 12k? Lol

I like that math! I'll bet he could pick up a used tractor for around that price range. Maybe a walk-behind skid steer instead, because we know space in the garage is a bit tight...

 

[jar944]

So depending on what version of guy math you're using.....DIY tool budget is between .33 and 2x the quoted cost ...

So what can Jar get that sorta kinda fits in his existing space and costs between call it 2k and 12k? Lol

Not much in the way if new tooling, I might pick up a cement mixer. I had a friend's harbor freight mixer here for awhile but not anymore. I have no desire to mix cement by hand.

 

[loganb]

Not much in the way if new tooling, I might pick up a cement mixer. I had a friend's harbor freight mixer here for awhile but not anymore. I have no desire to mix cement by hand.

I've got a friend who really likes these MudMixer style...rented one for a couple days then ended up buying one

Shop Portable & Electric MudMixer® | Mix Fast & Easy

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mudmixer.com

 

[jar944]

Interesting evening. 2.2" of rain in 60 minutes.




Which was apparently fortunately not much compared to the surrounding area

 

[GRN96WS6]

What leaked? I'm down in SOMD and we didn't get as much, so much flooding in DC and other areas in NOVA the past few evenings....crazy.

 

[jar944]

What leaked? I'm down in SOMD and we didn't get as much, so much flooding in DC and other areas in NOVA the past few evenings....crazy.

This, which will be a nightmare to fix since it can't have been flashed correctly.

 

[GRN96WS6]

This, which will be a nightmare to fix since it can't be flashed correctly.

Yikes....that doesn't look like an easy fix.

 

[larry4406]

Interesting evening. 2.2" of rain in 60 minutes.




Which was apparently fortunately not much compared to the surrounding area

@jar944 it was absolutely insane here around 9:30 pm last night! Your pics show we are in the 4.4" rain zone and I believe it!

We had some water back up into the garage as the driveway pitch could not keep up. Nothing important got wet.

Basement door is a walkout to a swale with some block retaining walls each side of the door. Water spewing out of the masonry gaps like a firehouse and the small swale could not keep up so we had some water back up into the unfinished basement seeping it under the door sill.

Lighting bolts left right and center during the entire event. We just replaced septic controls this past Monday as it it zapped last week from the storms. I hope it survived this event. We did not loose power last night but had several flickers.

Your window leak looks like a real ***** to properly address.....

 

[jar944]

Hopefully I can get behind this and figure out a flashing solution, or see where the issue is.



That or this is getting a standing seam curved hip roof over the window, and that odd arch (only one on the houses) is going away.

 

[larry4406]

Hopefully I can get behind this and figure out a flashing solution, or see where the issue is.



That or this is getting a standing seam curved hip roof over the window, and that odd arch (only one on the houses) is going away.

Are the mull trim and arch separate trim pieces or are they part of the window? I’m thinking those are 3 singles with trim applied which might make repair easier.

We got almost 4.75” of rain just up the road from you.

 

[jar944]

Are the mull trim and arch separate trim pieces or are they part of the window? I’m thinking those are 3 singles with trim applied which might make repair easier.

We got almost 4.75” of rain just up the road from you.

All separate. Which should make it easier..

I might have gotten more than 2.2" my pool was overflowing this morning.

Looked like 4" based off the pool.

And this which isn't accurate,but was empty yesterday

 

[Bob Heine]

I knew this was coming!

Yeah, the humidity is a killer and being that I lived in the Chicago area for the first half of my life, I understand. I do not know how the folks in Florida deal with that ****.

Dan, we definitely live with hot and humid but it's pretty consistent. It's a typical late July week with temperatures as low as 78°F and as high as 93°F.

The humidity is similarly consistent. Low of 83% and a high of 91%. The dew point is as low as 55% to as high as 70% but we rarely have morning fog. Instead we get rain. The air gets saturated, clouds form and the air turns to water. Looks like that's what's going to happen later this morning (1:00AM is my bedtime).

 

[sawduststeve]

Hopefully I can get behind this and figure out a flashing solution, or see where the issue is.



That or this is getting a standing seam curved hip roof over the window, and that odd arch (only one on the houses) is going away.

Can you pull the curved top trim off, it will break and you’ll need to put a new replacement up but maybe the new one going back could be in one piece.

Good luck
Steve

Ps I saw the tape in the wheel barrow and thought 5cm, that’s not much. 5” yeah, no thanks.