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These are what we really need. Can’t have enough pliers. They come in thin and bent too. $20 on Amazon.

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These are what we really need. Can’t have enough pliers. They come in thin and bent too. $20 on Amazon.

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Damn it. I don't need more pliers, but I like those. Added them to my wishlist (for now).
 

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The Knipex alligator pliers are basically slip joint with over 10 positions IIRC.
 
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The middle and end positions are most useful when the jaws are parallel. If you close them beyond being parallel, they are probably more useful to put them in a lower/smaller position instead. Although in some cases, the inward-angle may be beneficial too (pinches stuff towards the pivot instead of away).
 

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So it is possible to have a 3 position plier without staggering the pivot point.
Yes.
When trying to adjust to different pivot locations with a single hand, it’s much harder to get the pliers to the middle position since the loose jaw is more likely to slip past the middle position to the narrow or wide opening pivot point.
This is the point of the offset pivot holes, since you have to adjust the angle you push the jaws between each pivot point.
There were probably other ways to do this, keeping the pivot points in a straight line, but it would likely have required extra machining steps or more complex forging dies, or an extra pin, and would have cost more to produce.

The Tsunoda 8” pliers are nice for slip joint pliers, and have decent ergonomics for steel handled pliers.
The quality is also nice.
Importantly for ne, the Tsunoda pliers seem to be made for soneone who only has Medium size hands, were Harbor Freight seems to have designers designing tools for XXL hand sizes.
The pliers are still slip joint pliers though, and I still prefer a bunch of pliers made by Knipex better.
 

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A pair of the Workpro were delivered today. I didn't use them yet but I handled them a bit. I won't pretend to know the quality or durability of them until I've used them awhile but I will say that by look and feel I'm not disappointed for ten bucks. If I actually needed a pair I probably would already have bought the Icon but that's not the case.

They look and feel much better than a ten dollar pair of Asian pliers for whatever that's worth.
 

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Can anyone find the #70592 (ICON 7 in. Wire Stripper, Cutter, and Crimper) in stock in stores anymore?

These haven't been available to purchase in months, but they remain on the website, but they don't allow you to order them.

I wanted another pair.
 

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Can anyone find the #70592 (ICON 7 in. Wire Stripper, Cutter, and Crimper) in stock in stores anymore?

These haven't been available to purchase in months, but they remain on the website, but they don't allow you to order them.

I wanted another pair.
I'm showing stock in Louisville... about 140 miles away from me.

Looks like these are pretty dang popular.

Stocks of the long-nose pliers that are the subject of this interminable thread are also pretty low around the city, but showing some in the suburbs.
 

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Interesting that the icon go down to 24 awg. My Klein set only goes down to 18, but up to 10. Seems like a better range for stuff I would be wanting to put a crimp connector on.
 

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They are available in seemingly every store here. At least online. I haven't been to a HF in awhile.
 

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I routinely visit 3 HF stores in the LA area and I have never seen them on the shelf. I had to drive to a different area to pick up my pair and they were the last ones on the rack.
 

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I was in one of the DM stores for something else and saw one pair in the pliers aisle so I grabbed them even though I told myself I would never buy a pair. I will admit to thinking there's no way something like a pliers is worthy of all the hype; I will also admit to being wrong, they are quite useful.
 

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Besides the pretty obvious lack of quality shown in the video clip, is it my eyes of do the Chinesium pliers also lack the distinctive triple slip joint?
 

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Undercutting Harbor Freight here for $14

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Just for the hell of it I ordered a pair of those Workpro a couple months ago and they are pretty damn decent for such a low price. I've used them six or eight times, I probably should beat on them a little bit just to see how they hold up.
 

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Besides the pretty obvious lack of quality shown in the video clip, is it my eyes of do the Chinesium pliers also lack the distinctive triple slip joint?
Yep, it's a double joint.

Although the triple joint is far from the most useful feature of this form factor, whoever makes it wherever. I suspect they'd still be just as useful with a double joint, and perhaps even a little less fiddly and frustrating.

For some reason, long tapered jaws that are also strong were not popular until Snap-On's version. The slight flat nose and the combination and spacing of the different gripping surface options inside the jaws also combine to make these things uniquely and ridiculously useful in more situations than pretty much any pliers I've used before.

I have the 9" Icon version, and they quickly became my most-used pliers by far. And if they made smaller versions like Snap-On, I'd have those too. I haven't seen any rumors of them making smaller versions for some reason.

On those rare days I feel a little bit ahead of the game, I give serious thought to ponying up the Snap-On tax for the 7" and smaller versions. Then I come to my senses...
 
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So it is possible to have a 3 position plier without staggering the pivot point.
Of course.
It’s just a slotted bolt.
Kraeuter was doing it decades ago.
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These are what we really need. Can’t have enough pliers. They come in thin and bent too. $20 on Amazon.

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I have occasionally used/abused the IPS SF-200 for close to 5 years at work and they have surpassed expectations. The teeth and cutter are more durable than I initially gave them credit for. The hidden spring has proved beneficial for a couple repetitive jobs too.
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Kraeuter was doing it decades ago.
correct.

HOW Snap-on managed to get a patent - a utility patent, no less - issued for this is difficult to fathom.
I can only guess that the patent review board was confused enough by all of the "legal-ese" palaver in the patent document that they actually believed they were looking at something new.

Patent number on the Snap-on is 8051749 - still not listed at datamp.org but you can download the patent document HERE and spend an hour wading through seven pages of legal smokescreen.

(FTR: I bought two pairs of the 9-inch ICON model. My buddy loves his. Mine are still in the package, as I've never really felt a need for them since buying them. If they came out with a 7-incher, I'd most likely actually be using them.)
 
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(FTR: I bought two pairs of the 9-inch ICON model. My buddy loves his. Mine are still in the package, as I've never really felt a need for them since buying them. If they came out with a 7-incher, I'd most likely actually be using them.)
I think I mentioned it earlier in this thread, but if HF was only planning on making one size, they should have made these 8".
Snap-on already has them in 7" and 9".
 

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Just for the hell of it I ordered a pair of those Workpro a couple months ago and they are pretty damn decent for such a low price. I've used them six or eight times, I probably should beat on them a little bit just to see how they hold up.
I'd give them a try if I didn't already have the 3 different sizes of the Snap-On long nose slip joints.
They'd probably be fine for my uses. Likely not for profession day in and day out use, but that's just an assumption.
 

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I found the teeth/serrations on the workpro to wear down super fast. I used them to turn out a screw, something that a vamplier or twin grip would have been the better tool for, but the workpro slip needles were in my hand at the time. That one screw really screwed them up
 

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I found the teeth/serrations on the workpro to wear down super fast. I used them to turn out a screw, something that a vamplier or twin grip would have been the better tool for, but the workpro slip needles were in my hand at the time. That one screw really screwed them up
One would might assume that the teeth on the business end of the tool would have been hardened.
Were the teeth on the jaws at the outer end deformed?
Was this a hardened screw/bolt you were trying to remove?
 

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Getting back to something that showed up recently (post #657) - here's a comparison of the new "Workpro" 8-inch long-nose pliers and the Icon 9-inch long-nose pliers:
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I wonder how some of these will hold up over time. Without a good heat treating/hardening process the small serrations can flatten out over time and loose their grip.
 

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I think it's like how I used to treat stuff from harbor freight. Know that it won't last being used hard and be surprised when it does. For pulling swarf off the lathe I think mine will do fine. I used them yesterday to remove and install some cotter keys. They survived.
 

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I wonder how some of these will hold up over time. Without a good heat treating/hardening process the small serrations can flatten out over time and loose their grip.
My Icon pair is holding up fine. Can't say "hard use" but...
 

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One would might assume that the teeth on the business end of the tool would have been hardened.
Were the teeth on the jaws at the outer end deformed?
Was this a hardened screw/bolt you were trying to remove?
Yes it was the outer end that got chewed up, maybe 6-8mm from the tip.

I think it might have been a drywall screw. It was holding a j-box to a stud, and the head was bent dramatically preventing me from getting a screwdriver on it, so I had to turn it from the side.
 

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Yes it was the outer end that got chewed up, maybe 6-8mm from the tip.

I think it might have been a drywall screw. It was holding a j-box to a stud, and the head was bent dramatically preventing me from getting a screwdriver on it, so I had to turn it from the side.
Drywall screws are surprisingly hard. And I suppose it's no surprise that the teeth on a "value priced" pair of pliers aren't as hard as Knipex or Snappy.
 

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Drywall screws are surprisingly hard. And I suppose it's no surprise that the teeth on a "value priced" pair of pliers aren't as hard as Knipex or Snappy.
To be fair to HF, I’ve killed several Vessel and Knipex screwdrivers and pliers in dry wall screws that some idiot used on pallets. Those suckers are the bane of my existence.
 
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