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Bahco, Whats the real story??

mrholeshot

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In all the tools In my Chrome empire I have never owned, used (to my knowledge) or even seen a Bahco tool. I see them advertized under Snap-On, Williams, Bahco but where are they made, really how is the quality compared to Snap-On? Is it just another tool ***** pimped out by Snap-On, is it just a brand of mixed COO with just the brand name owned by Snap-On? Whats the real scoop. My inquiring mind really wants to know.
 
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Charles (in GA)

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Snap On has in large part, simply turned it into another division of the company, with production facilities scattered over Europe.

As far as sockets and ratchets and wrenches, they are quite well made, but I have no idea where..........

Charles

http://www.bahco.com/asp/pubs/index.asp?lngLevel=0&lngStructureID=1219&lngMenuID=26146

http://www.bahco.com/asp/pubs/index.asp?lngMenuID=1255&lngID=1987


Bahco professional hand tools are designed and manufactured by SNA Europe , a newly founded enterprise, yet with over 150 years of heritage; strong expertise in innovating and manufacturing the most advanced tools and building long-term partnerships with distributors.

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Bahco Milestones

1914
- Enköpings Mekaniska Verkstad changes the name B A H jorth & Co.

1922
- Acquisition of Lidköpings Sågbladsfabrik in Lidköping, Sweden (today Bahco Metal Saws) and renamed to AB Lidköpings Vikingsåger. The factory, which is founded in 1914, produces hand hacksaw blades and power hacksaw blades in carbon steel and high-speed steel, and with the acquisition we could now offer saw blades for metal cutting, in addition to the existing wood cutting saws.

1953
- Introducing a global innovation - the hard pointed bow saw blade.

1954
- B A Hjorth & Co. changes the name to AB Bahco and it becomes a joint stock company.

1959
- The company acquires E A Bergs Fabriks AB in Eskilstuna, Sweden. E A Berg, which was founded in 1892, manufactured pliers, bolt cutters, knives, scissors and wood chisels, adding to the wide range of tools we could offer the mechanical industry.

1963
- Introduction of another world first - the hard pointed handsaw.
- Production facilities in Argentina are established for mechanic's tools.

1969
- Introduction of the bi-metal hacksaw blade Sandflex®, an epoch-making innovation, which means that we today are second to none as a producer of bi-metal products for metal cutting.

1973
- The company introduces the first handsaw with ground teeth.

1974
- Acquisition of F E Lindström AB in Eskilstuna Sweden, founded in 1856 and producer of precision pliers for the electronic industry.

1975
- The company acquires C O Öberg in Eskilstuna, Sweden (today Bahco Files) producing engineering files, sharpening files and chain saw files. C O Öberg was founded in 1850 and as such is the company with the longest history in the Bahco Group.

1982
- We present the world's first ergonomic screwdriver, which is the beginning of a wide range of ergonomic tools, developed in close co-operation with professional users on a scientifically approved base.

1985
- Acquisition of 30% of the shares in French company Devillé. Since 1890 they have produced pruning tools for the horticultural industry. From 1948 all products have been sold exclusively under our Fish & Hook brand.

1986
- The handsaw with the Fish & Hook brand celebrates 100 years.

1988
- Acquisition of the German tool manufacturer Belzer-Dowidat in Wuppertal. Robert Belzer founded his tools factory in 1884 and was the first to start to produce tools made of Chrome-Vanadium in 1925. The products today carry the Bahco brand.

1990
- The company acquires the Finnish file factory Viiala and incorporates it into Oberg. Since establishment in 1901 Viiala gained a strong position first of all as a producer of chain saw files and sharpening files.

1991
- Acquisition of Milford Products Corporation, Branford, Connecticut USA. Milford was established in 1876 and belongs to the world's leading producers of bandsaw blades. Bahco Bandsaws offers a wide range of bandsaw blades for the professional industry with base in the epoch-making Sandflex concept as well as a range of carbide tipped high performance blades.

1992
- The remaining part of the file production in the centre of Eskilstuna, Sweden is moved to Portugal where the factory from 1970 is extended to be the biggest and most modern file factory in Europe.

- The Bahco adjustable wrench celebrates 100 years.

- New Distribution Concept - NDC -, which means better delivery performance and availability, is introduced after an investment of SEK 100 million.

1996
- We introduce and take the patent for Superior handsaws, a new and revolutionary tooth geometry - Xt - that saws faster than other handsaws, and has a coating of the blade that reduces friction considerably.

- All production units, distribution units and sales units are ISO 9000 certified.

- The Bahco Ergo concept is presented and scientifically approved as a way of preventing industrial strain injuries at the PREMUS 96 conference in Montreal Canada.

1998
- Adjustable wrench number 100.000.000 leaves the factory in Enköping.

1999
- Bahco Group AB is acquired by Snap-on Inc. Kenosha, Wisconsin USA. Snap-on is among the biggest tool companies in the world, founded in 1920 with the same visions as Bahco - to develop tools making the job easier, faster and safer for professionals.

2000
- Production of bandsaw blades is moved to Rotherham, United Kingdom, to a purpose built, ultramodern production facility.

2001
- The next generation of the Sandflex hacksaw blade is introduced. A comprehensive investment programme in a new grinding technology makes it possible to offer a hacksaw blade cutting 20% faster and lasting 20% longer than other hacksaw blades.

2002
- The Bahco Ergo programme, which now includes more than 400 tools receives the German "Reddot design award", the Dutch "Erkenningen Goed Industrieel Ontwerp" as well as the "Japanese Good Design Award".

2003
- Expansion continues by establishing own sales offices in Turkey, China, Brazil and Greece.

2004
- The head quarter moves from Sandviken to Enköping in the region of Stockholm, where all central functions are now located.

2005
- Bahco AB and Herramientas Eurotools S.A. merge and SNA Europe is founded.
Head quarter is located in Paris, France.

2007
- Bahco brand celebrates 120 years of professional tools and a serie of special edition tools is launched especially for this celebration.

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I have a treasured bahco adjustable/aligator grip wrench in my tool box, (bahco invented the adjustable wrench i believe).

When I first started working on cars i apprenticed under an old swedish guy who showed me the one that he had (from a tool kit on a volvo p1800) he said I would never find one, so I made it a point to find one on ebay, and then pay way too much for it. But I love it and it is one of my favorite tools.
 

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I have a few Bahco sockets I bought a year or two ago on closeout. It's my understanding that back in the early 2000's Bahco made some sockets and ratchets in the USA. I'm pretty sure they were only making SAE and not metric and targeted for trades other then automotive. You can still find them sometimes on the web and flea markets at a pretty good price. Not sure if they still make them but if they do they are probably not USA made. I also tried to warranty a socket and they wouldn't.

This is the e-mail I got back a year ago when I e-mailed:[email protected]

"I do apologize, but the Bahco branded items have a 90 day warranty. The
801420 is now obsolete and would not fall under warranty.

Kindest Regards,"

This was the socket. It was bad from the begging and the others were fine. Still no warranty though. I wouldn't have cared but the chrome was sharp on my hands:
<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KEh_rBlPK1v1WVwA7RMiofJY3BeFkdtv2PAhWbCPzrg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gyA2MJjiLlg/TMl_o0p9viI/AAAAAAAAAm8/6FteqQF6Qa4/s800/bahco.jpg" height="800" width="600" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mike.4324/Vise02?authkey=Gv1sRgCNLnubvTwpiSaQ&feat=embedwebsite">vise</a></td></tr></table>
 
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the bahco sockets and wrenches are made in china now but most of the other bahco stuff is still made in sweden/france/spain

i think overall bahco is one of the better tool brands around
 

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Bahco is the premier tool manufacturer in Sweden. They merged/bought Sandvik which is where their fish logo comes from. As far as I know most of Bahco's production is still in Sweden. I've also seen a number of Bahco's pliers that are made in France. Since Snap-On bought them, their manufacturing has been splintered a little more. There is USA Bahco merchandise, but I believe that this is coming out of the Williams plant in Atlanta. I have also seen Bahco Taiwan/China, but only in odd gardening tools.

The story I heard was that they tried a broader push of their tool line into England and America and it flopped. That's why there was a flood of Bahco merchandise on the closeout market. I think the quality is great, but the prices they were asking were too high for a tool name that nobody had heard of.

Jori

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mrholeshot

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90 day warranty, I guess I won't own any of those, lol Even more confused now than before, lol
 

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the pliers may possibly be made in the same factory they make their gardening secateurs in pradines , france
 

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i know were there is a fair amount of bahco stuff sitting around. it is also virtually the same as the harley-davidson stuff that sears sold about 7-10 years ago.i know were there there are also a few sets of that. also made by williams. although externally they look nothing like them i have been told that the ratchet guts of both are identical to some snap-on 36 tooth ratchets.
 

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The Bahco logo, when marketed next to the Snap-on logo, are tools manufactured in North America, by JH Williams (where they also produced the earliest Kobalt and some Harley Davidson branded stuff). Bahco North America never produced metric wrenches or sockets; the current socketry items, which are mostly metric, are produced in Taiwan.


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it is also virtually the same as the harley-davidson stuff that sears sold about 7-10 years ago. i know were there there are also a few sets of that.

Any open stock, Harlan?

If so, should you happen across a 3/8" Standard, 12pt socket would you let me know? I presume the part number is HD3812...

My set has two 7/16" sockets and was/is missing the 3/8"...:(
 

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Bahco is the premier tool manufacturer in Sweden. They merged/bought Sandvik which is where their fish logo comes from. As far as I know most of Bahco's production is still in Sweden. I've also seen a number of Bahco's pliers that are made in France. Since Snap-On bought them, their manufacturing has been splintered a little more. There is USA Bahco merchandise, but I believe that this is coming out of the Williams plant in Atlanta. I have also seen Bahco Taiwan/China, but only in odd gardening tools.

The story I heard was that they tried a broader push of their tool line into England and America and it flopped. That's why there was a flood of Bahco merchandise on the closeout market. I think the quality is great, but the prices they were asking were too high for a tool name that nobody had heard of.

Jori

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Hi Jori,
I'm afraid the glory days are over. Hardly anything is made in Sweden anymore, mostly Spain now. So if you find any Bahco tool made in Sweden, hang onto it because the quality is far better than the stuff coming out of Spain - even though it looks identical.

Mark.
 

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Here are my bahco tools. I think they are all well made and work well. The adjustables and small needle nose are made in france, the diagonal cutters and saw are made in sweden (this was before the saws got sourced to china).

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I also have those diag. cutters and mini needle nose - the needles are awesomeness, the diags are very nice too - great handle length for leverage and the cutting face is well machined. I like that the joint in the diags. is a torx screw - don't know if they come apart since i haven't tried, but if they do that will lend them for future filing and cutting face cleanup, much better than riveted/pressure fit diags. from most other brands.
 
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I have a Bahco campers axe that I bought at Sportsmans Warehouse a few years ago. Made in Germany. That think ***** big time as an axe. My Mexican made Collins Axes are a hell of a lot better balanced for swinging.

Seen some of their cutting tools, saw blades, and adjustable wrenches, etc, before at some tools stores, but never bothered to buy any.
 

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for the NA market its simply just another fodder brand of snap-on. As already stated a lot of the stuff is taiwan. The only things you might find that are an exception are their pliers and cutting tools which were making their way into the US from Europe.

Its not hard to find sets and sockets for cheap so in my opinion its priced right for where its coming from.
 

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The sockets I linked to on Amazon have USA stamped into them, for whatever that may be worth.
 

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Yeah the cutters were made in sweden, very good quality. That socket set, I'd have to question if it's genuine at that price, perhaps an imitation from china?
 

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Yeah the cutters were made in sweden, very good quality. That socket set, I'd have to question if it's genuine at that price, perhaps an imitation from china?

There are bahco ratchet and socket sets here and there that were on closeout for $30 that had that many sockets plus a ratchet so I doubt they are fake. Just the leftovers before snap on decided to turn bahco into another foot in the import tool market.
 

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I was confused about Bahco as well but bought a set of their combo wrenches on amazon a while back. From what I could gather searching here they are basically the same as the Williams wrenches. The Bahco's have the standard dsn open end and not whatever the "special" snap on design is . I haven't used them enough to comment on durability, but for the $, they have to be the nicest USA made wrenches you can buy. They are REALLY nice with a long and very beefy beam section.

search amazon for: Bahco 75-837013
 

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Nothing has been the same in Sweden since the demise of ABBA. (Search on YouTube to see concert footage from 79-81)

These days there is an excellent ABBA tribute band called ARRIVAL (also from Sweden) that tours the globe putting on an excellent show.

Hope one person here shares my enjoyment for the band ABBA from SWEDEN.............
 

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Hope one person here shares my enjoyment for the band ABBA from SWEDEN.............

Yes! Who could ever forget top hits like:

Lay all your Tools on Me
Take a Chance on Bahco
Gimme Gimme Gimme a Tool After Midnight
...and their all time crowd pleaser...Wrenching Queen
 
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You forgot these classics!:

Waterloo (Finally re-painting my Waterloo)

And 64merc's personal favourite - (Can You Hear the Brake Drums,) Rolando?
 

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You know, I recently read that Bahco will be opening a plant in Mexico, where the tool line will be rebranded as Pahco.
 

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I'd love to see the results of tests between the American manufacturers and the old Bahco sockets made of Swedish steel. Just for kicks.

I've got some of the gardening stuff made in France, off Harry Epstein's close-outs. Good stuff. Very well-made.

Also have the hacksaw blades. Great.

There was a rep. from the WIlliams Tool Group. Who sold some of the industrial Bahco stuff.

I think there large (25'+) saw blades are among the best out there for metal work. I've tried many diff. kinds.
 

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There are bahco ratchet and socket sets here and there that were on closeout for $30 that had that many sockets plus a ratchet so I doubt they are fake. Just the leftovers before snap on decided to turn bahco into another foot in the import tool market.

Again, the sockets are made in the US, as are the SAE wrenches.
 
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