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Yes, I am a cheap A$$ SOB ! For the little carpentry is do, there is no way I could NOT justify the cost !!!

Recommend an edge guide. Preferably one that I do NOT have to attach a shoe to my circular saw. One that can be "broken" down to 4' sections.
 
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Before I had a track saw, I used a bent steel rail from a bedframe (not the brown angle steel from typical bedframes, but something rolled from sheet like a piece of unistrut). A piece of half height (13/16") strut channel could make a decent rail, if your saw plate doesn't try to wedge under it's curved corner.

I've owned several of the aluminum clamp type that pinch the board, and they always slipped and bent. And I've owned the sectional aluminum rails meant to act as a straightedge, and was never happy with them. They all deflect more than saw track, because they're so much lighter. i.e. I think they all ****. That Woodpecker one included. I'm with you on hating those shoe attachments. It's really not so bad free-handing a saw along a guide.

What's with your 4' section requirement? If you're cutting down 4' wide goods, you'll want a rail around 5' long to have room for your saw on both ends of the cut. There's a reason that sectional track saw rails tend to be longer than 4'.

On that note, you could use your saw against the back edge of a tracksaw track. Ignore the sacrificial edge and use the tracksaw track backwards as a straightedge. You get the benefit of the non-skid bottom, and easy use of dovetail clamp holddowns that don't interfere with your sidewinder's motor's path. You wouldn't get the plunge and safety benefits of a track saw, but track saw rail is still really fit for purpose, even without the accompanying saw.

A pair of 50" Wen saw tracks with connectors is (100" assembled) $65. A pair of 55" tracks is $75, and one of those gets you in the ballpark of cutting a 4' board without needing to assemble the two pieces. Pair those with some cheap clamps and you'll have something 100x better than the Woodpecker setup. I use these with my Kreg saw track (because they were all metal and the best deal I could find in 2023):
You can find similar ones for a few bucks less today,

but I'd avoid the plastic ones that are half the price.
 
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Yes, I am a cheap A$$ SOB ! For the little carpentry is do, there is no way I could NOT justify the cost !!!

Recommend an edge guide. Preferably one that I do NOT have to attach a shoe to my circular saw. One that can be "broken" down to 4' sections.
Make your own, I used a homemade one for years before I finally bought a track saw. Get a 4x8 sheet of 3/16" thick hardboard from menards. Cut a 1 1/2" rip off the factory 8' long edge. Then cut a 8" or so rip. Glue and clamp or screw the 1.5" piece on top of the 8" piece so the factory straight edge will be your cutting guide. Once glue is set run your saw along the guide board to trim the bottom 8" piece to the exact cut of your saw. Now you have your own track guide and extra wood for 20 or so bucks.

Then could even get some stick on rubber rolls to put on the bottom like a track saw. And get some track saw clamps because they have a small end to not interfere with your saw. I now when I built mine 20 plus years ago there was lots of info out there on how to do this. I made a couple of them in different lengths. Pretty sure I threw them in dumpster when I bought my track saw but they did work pretty good for years.
 

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I do a fair amount of woodworking/carpentry and I've never found the need for a track saw, especially considering the price. I use a circular saw with a clamped straight edge for breaking down large sheets, and finish cuts are made on the table saw.

The only way I could justify one would be if I had to break down a lot of sheet goods to fairly precise cuts on a job site, since the little jobsite table saws are merely toys.
 

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My track saw basically sits unused. I used it maybe ten times after I bought it and now wish I had followed my own advice and not bought it. With infeed and outfeed tables on my table saw I can do what it takes me ten minutes of setup with a track saw in just a couple of minutes on my table saw. I find it to be a waste of my time and money.
 

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I do a fair amount of woodworking/carpentry and I've never found the need for a track saw, especially considering the price. I use a circular saw with a clamped straight edge for breaking down large sheets, and finish cuts are made on the table saw.
That’s what I thought, then I bought one. It’s incredibly useful, much less hassle than a clamped straight edge and does nicer cuts.

Maybe if I had a full sized table saw I’d think differently.
 

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I recently bought a bora straight edge and saw plate for a project. I haven’t used it yet. I can chime in after I use which may be tomorrow or next weekend if I don’t be lazy.

I previously had a generic aluminum track that sucked. I cut it up and threw it away when I got the bora.

I believe the bora and saw plate for it was about $90 total. I think it was $68 if you don’t want the saw plate. It does break down to 48“ sections.

I’ve used a 6’ level, 4’ level and a piece of unistrut more than anything.
 

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I use a Bora 100" (2 pieces @ 50") and I've been happy with it. Disclaimer: I've only used the 2nd piece to rip full sheets a handful of times. I usually cross cut a full sheet so that I can handle it easier in a table saw.
$67 today and worth every bit IMO.

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I do a fair amount of woodworking/carpentry and I've never found the need for a track saw, especially considering the price. I use a circular saw with a clamped straight edge for breaking down large sheets, and finish cuts are made on the table saw.

The only way I could justify one would be if I had to break down a lot of sheet goods to fairly precise cuts on a job site, since the little jobsite table saws are merely toys.
This was literally what the original Festool saws seemed yo be designed for maybe 20-25 years ago at this point when I first saw the saws demonstrated.
Ultra accurate clean cuts, for finish carpentry and cabinetmaking, with the dust collection attachments and ability to due work on site, in a finished location, such as a home or office, with minimal cleanup necessary at completion, and an accuracy similar to what could be achieved with an average decent cabinet tablesaw.
The Hilti version at the time seemed slightly less capable of dust elimination, and maybe slightly less accurate, although using the same Festool type guide tracks, but maybe slightly better suited for more accurate than normal carpentry cuts.
Mafell offered both options, but I have never used either.

I don’t know what the current Festool motors are like.
The older ones have decent cooling, but are way less powerful than the average Milwaukee circular saw, and the same likely true regarding other standard “professional” circular saws from Skil, Bosch, Dewalt, Makita, etc., unless Festool managed to completely overhaul the motor design.
I’ve not used any of the cordless saws, so 🤷‍♂️
 

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Make your own, I used a homemade one for years before I finally bought a track saw. Get a 4x8 sheet of 3/16" thick hardboard from menards. Cut a 1 1/2" rip off the factory 8' long edge. Then cut a 8" or so rip. Glue and clamp or screw the 1.5" piece on top of the 8" piece so the factory straight edge will be your cutting guide. Once glue is set run your saw along the guide board to trim the bottom 8" piece to the exact cut of your saw. Now you have your own track guide and extra wood for 20 or so bucks.

Then could even get some stick on rubber rolls to put on the bottom like a track saw. And get some track saw clamps because they have a small end to not interfere with your saw. I now when I built mine 20 plus years ago there was lots of info out there on how to do this. I made a couple of them in different lengths. Pretty sure I threw them in dumpster when I bought my track saw but they did work pretty good for years.
^^^^ This ^^^^
 

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My track saw basically sits unused. I used it maybe ten times after I bought it and now wish I had followed my own advice and not bought it. With infeed and outfeed tables on my table saw I can do what it takes me ten minutes of setup with a track saw in just a couple of minutes on my table saw. I find it to be a waste of my time and money.
I guess it depends on what you are doing but I use my track saw all the time and table saw way less, pretty much only for specialty cuts. Just the other day I was making a butcher block island countertop with a sink in it. Used the track saw to cut it to size, cut the sink out, and miter the corners so there were no sharp edges. I realise this thread was probably mainly for 4x8 sheet goods but use my track saw for them also mostly. Just find it way easier and faster for me to throw the sheet on some sawhorses or on the ground on top of a 1" thick piece of foam insulation. Mark each side and throw a light weight track on the sheet and move the saw across the sheet. Maybe I just got used to using it so much on jobsites that I grab it first even in the shop with table saw. To me it's just more versatile and easier to use for most things. Still need table saw for specialty cuts like dado and splines and other stuff like that.KIMG20251125_175213081.JPG
 
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I have a pm66 and can break down sheets on it but the track saw is so much more convenient. Quick,fast and accurate a cordless track saw is worth every penny. It's priceless if you're remodeling in older homes, if you can afford one, buy it.
 

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Yes, I am a cheap A$$ SOB ! For the little carpentry is do, there is no way I could NOT justify the cost !!!

Recommend an edge guide. Preferably one that I do NOT have to attach a shoe to my circular saw. One that can be "broken" down to 4' sections.
Liar, Liar, pants on fire. YES YOU DO want a track saw. On the other hand I do agree with your original sentence.
 
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This was literally what the original Festool saws seemed yo be designed for maybe 20-25 years ago at this point when I first saw the saws demonstrated.
Ultra accurate clean cuts, for finish carpentry and cabinetmaking, with the dust collection attachments and ability to due work on site, in a finished location, such as a home or office, with minimal cleanup necessary at completion, and an accuracy similar to what could be achieved with an average decent cabinet tablesaw.
The Hilti version at the time seemed slightly less capable of dust elimination, and maybe slightly less accurate, although using the same Festool type guide tracks, but maybe slightly better suited for more accurate than normal carpentry cuts.
Mafell offered both options, but I have never used either.

I don’t know what the current Festool motors are like.
The older ones have decent cooling, but are way less powerful than the average Milwaukee circular saw, and the same likely true regarding other standard “professional” circular saws from Skil, Bosch, Dewalt, Makita, etc., unless Festool managed to completely overhaul the motor design.
I’ve not used any of the cordless saws, so 🤷‍♂️
I have the Makita double battery model and it's fine. But, to be honest, the current hotness is the Milwaukee. My reason that I feel this is the case is because Milwaukee waited so long to come out with their version that they had time to study the competition and improved on the weaknesses they saw in them. If I were to buy again it would be the Milwaukee.
 
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I've used Bora clamps for years and never had any issues withe them. I have three different lengths and need to get the 100" yet. I can use any of my saws with them including my jig saw, router, etc. I also us them for other things like drawing lines or clamping things. I see Harbor Freight now has their own version and a lower price point.
 

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Carpenters for years and years made their own shooting boards for circular saws before track saws became common.

Take a piece of nice, smooth plywood the length of whatever you want the “track” to be. I like some run-off, so I do 5’ to cut a 4’ length and so on.

Screw on a length of aluminum angle as a fence, leaving enough material so you can do a clean up cut.

Saw the length of your new shooting board using the fence. This gives you a “zero clearance” edge.

Now you just put the edge of your shooting board up to where you want the blade kerf and cut.

I used to have to cut sheets and sheets of corrugated aluminum for a job we did. I couldn’t justify a custom shear blade for the part as we weren’t doing enough volume but we did enough production that I still needed something that cut straight and square. Enter the circular saw and shooting board.

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I cut both sides of the angle so I could use either side of the shoe. I also found a sheet of foam insulation works excellent for a sacrificial table that is still reasonably stiff and supportive.
 

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Carpenters for years and years made their own shooting boards for circular saws before track saws became common.

Take a piece of nice, smooth plywood the length of whatever you want the “track” to be. I like some run-off, so I do 5’ to cut a 4’ length and so on.

Screw on a length of aluminum angle as a fence, leaving enough material so you can do a clean up cut.

Saw the length of your new shooting board using the fence. This gives you a “zero clearance” edge.

Now you just put the edge of your shooting board up to where you want the blade kerf and cut.

I used to have to cut sheets and sheets of corrugated aluminum for a job we did. I couldn’t justify a custom shear blade for the part as we weren’t doing enough volume but we did enough production that I still needed something that cut straight and square. Enter the circular saw and shooting board.

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I cut both sides of the angle so I could use either side of the shoe. I also found a sheet of foam insulation works excellent for a sacrificial table that is still reasonably stiff and supportive.
You can also use the rip guides made for the circular saw to cut off the stock edge off of a sheet of plywood, and use that as the “straight edge” and glue or nail that to the bottom piece of plywood the saw runs on.
Just rub some paste wax into the edge and lower wood to lower friction.
 

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Wen Plunge saw plus 110" (2pc) track is under $200

its never been easier to attain a decent track saw setup



I used this exact setup for a remote jobsite, cutting everything from 2.5" Claro Walnut slabs to 20g corrugated steel panels, didnt skip a beat. Worth every damn dollar

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Making a track is a practical option, and as long as you have a circular saw and some clamps you've got everything needed to make one. If you really only need one once or twice a year, that is by far the most economical options.



Evolution has their "multi-material" circular saw which can be used with their track system. Not cheap, but you can get the saw and track for about the same as what some tracks cost alone.

I bought the saw for the metal cutting aspect, but it is a good general purpose circular saw and it has largely replaced my 20 year old Skil saw.

Personally I'd go for one of the longer track sections rather than the kit with a short track. I have the 55" track set, and will eventually get the 110" set for the longer sections.

It is just a good circular saw that can be used with a track. It doesn't have all the features of "real" track saw with plunge cutting and improved dust collection, but it was affordable and does what I need it to do. I mostly use it with the track to break down sheets into a size I can easily work with on my table saw or bandsaw. The saw runs at a lower speed to give metal cutting blades a longer life.
It also has an arbor adaptor allowing the use of Evolution's metal cutting blades with a 20mm arbor or the 5/8" arbor standard for 7-1/4" circular saw blades.
 

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A customer door installer I knew made a custom set using plywood as the main edge but also added a bottom layer of Masonite so it would slide over material easily and could be replaced fairly easy
 

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Why would you need to strain the homemade cutting track for your circular saw?
Just rub the wax into the track to reduce friction, and then rub off the extra, and allow the rest to dry completely.
I misunderstood what you were describing. I thought you were running the saw sled directly on the workpiece. My bad
 

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Why would you need to strain the homemade cutting track for your circular saw?
Just rub the wax into the track to reduce friction, and then rub off the extra, and allow the rest to dry completely.
The point was that wax rubbing off onto the wood panel would greatly interfere with the later application of stain to the wood panel if it touched.
 

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The point was that wax rubbing off onto the wood panel would greatly interfere with the later application of stain to the wood panel.
The wax goes on top of the track were the saw rubs the track, and the plywood edge, rather the bottom of the track that rubs the workpiece.
One could use the right type of wax on the bottom of the homemade track were it rests on the workpiece for extra grip, but then one would want to thoroughly wipe the surface with solvents to remove any wax residue.
The wax on the top is to reduce friction and wear on the homemade track from the metal saw base rubbing it.
 

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I have the Makita double battery model and it's fine. But, to be honest, the current hotness is the Milwaukee. My reason that I feel this is the case is because Milwaukee waited so long to come out with their version that they had time to study the competition and improved on the weaknesses they saw in them. If I were to buy again it would be the Milwaukee.
I bought the Milwaukee and kinda regret it. I think I would have been happier with Makita.

I think you know this about me: I think most tool reviews are ****. Tool reviews quickly became tool sales or YouTube businesses such that its tough to actually get someone with actual hands on experience using the tool.

Anyway, I bought that saw like a year ago or so and have used it pretty extensively. 2 things I don't like about my Milwaukee Track saw:
1) It needs batteries bigger than any of my other Milwaukee tools need. Therefore, the saw doesn't/can't use a common M18 battery. I have a few Milwaukee tools and none of them share batteries with the saw. I think the 2 smaller batteries on the Makita solves that.
2) The Milwaukee blades aren't great. And that's the business end of the tool. Makita uses Tenryu blades which are top notch. And the way their blades are, you can swap them for Freud/Diablo blades, which I like. Milwaukee can't. The blade thicknesses and kerfs don't allow brand swapping (or I'd cut the fence rubber or have a gap). The other related problem is the thickness of the riving knife. Technically I could take it off I guess.

Regarding track saws: I used mine for the last 3 days straight- almost all day long. Today, I had this sort of epiphany: I do what I do, I make my cuts, then the track goes away, saw goes on a shelf under the work bench, and all my stock is there on my clean work bench ready for the next step. My saw station is my workbench. And all the stuff I need is right there. I don't move lumber to another place, an assembly table or whatever. It's convenient to just have a work bench where you do all your work.

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This is an old picture, but I'm building the last 4 windows for the 3rd floor of my next house (barn conversion). I saw up Azek to make cpvc frames for 120yr old window sashes. I do the whole job including painting at this one work bench. At the left end of the bench, I drilled a hole for a router and made a fence out of scrap Azek.

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I just hold it in place with C clamps at each end. The MDF could be waxed or finished to make a lower friction surface. The Azek is ok- not as good as UHMW, but this was scrap I had on hand.

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Here's the cut-out for the router bit on the other side.
 
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