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Chris,

I'm thinking you need a rat rod of your very own. Something like a deuce coupe or roadster. Maybe even a T-bucket or track roadster. Better yet, a period, 33 Ford tow truck to park in front of the shop. File it under decorating!

Now if only you had an engine for such a kool ride...
 
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No thanks nessary. I look forward to your posts and seeing what you've found. I love looking at old buildings and shops like this one. You've done an awesomejob with it. I wish I had an old sign or something to put on the wall of my garage when I get it done.

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Thomas !

I think HOTFR8 is on to something here! That flathead would look awfully snazzy with a multi carb setup
attached to the Johnson built engine stand ! It would seem to that your shop is becoming
'The Center of the Universe ' of the GJ. Before too long you may have your own 'Living History ' museum going too!

Craig
 

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Chris,

I'm thinking you need a rat rod of your very own. Something like a deuce coupe or roadster. Maybe even a T-bucket or track roadster. Better yet, a period, 33 Ford tow truck to park in front of the shop. File it under decorating!

Now if only you had an engine for such a kool ride...

:3gears: the V8-60 :bounce:

Thomas !

I think HOTFR8 is on to something here! That flathead would look awfully snazzy with a multi carb setup
attached to the Johnson built engine stand ! It would seem to that your shop is becoming
'The Center of the Universe ' of the GJ. Before too long you may have your own 'Living History ' museum going too!

Craig

Now that idea sounds good with all the information you added but a Tow Truck would look good out the front. E-tec was going to put his old Sidey engine on a frame and watched what I did http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72751 with the 6BT Cummins. Give you any ideas :)
 

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JC23,
Look at post #345 (pg. 18) to see what we wish we still had - Mr. Johnson's shop work truck. I'm not much into decorating, so the truck would definitely need to be operational to fit in with the ambiance of the property.

I'm positive you will never see a rat rod on the property (unless the owner is visiting) - definitely holds no interest for us (unless that's one of Tom's secrets). Besides, they're not stock/original, so it wouldn't fit into the collection. Showing, restoring, and drag racing, along with pit crewing for Formula Ford vintage cars seems like a full hobby agenda for us at this time, but thanks for trying to get me to expand my horizons.

Chris
 

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I've been following this thread for a while.. gotta love all the parts and tools being uncovered. Seems like you got something fun to do everytime you go into the garage.. and the cool stuff is already there! Instead of buying overpriced **** from evilbay :)
The garage looks great btw, and you have preserved the history in a proper way!

Best regards from Norway (in the top of Europe)..
 

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Welcome, 334chief! I've updated the country count to 22 (post #1629). We certainly haven't had to go too far from home to find interesting things to keep us occupied(!), though we have made good use of evilbay in the past. I'm always interested to see how garage/workshop solutions are handled in other parts of the world, so if you (and other non-North American posters) have pictures to share, we'd sure like to see them.

Chris.
 
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"DD" my Darling Daughter was almost crying from laughing so hard when she first saw that car back in 2005. I'll forward your reply and I'm sure she'll enjoy your whit, thanks.

The tools are just a few feet away along with.......

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Those are mostly carburetors on the shelves

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Bendix Aviation Corp.

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That's an aftermarket dual carb intake for a flat head V8 if I'm not mistaken. Made from an alloy, maybe Aluminum?

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Here's a better look. AL JERAULD on the side. There is also some writing cast into the "V" I can get if someone would like that information. Look familiar to anyone? :dunno:


Thomas

PLEASE CONTACT ME about the Al Jerauld manifold 2 to 1 carb / adaptor
[email protected] 619-994-8187
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And here's one more from Australia for your list.

It took me 3 days to get to the end, but it was well worth it, thanks for starting this thread.

Cheers
Andrew

Hi there Andrew, three days huh.... that wasn't so bad was it? :headscrat :)

Seriously thanks for sticking with it and check back in here. Once I get back home there'll be more, promise.

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I like that you're sending those tools to a museum. Will they be able to set up the line shaft and belts so they actually work? I've always been fascinated by old machine shops/woodworking shops that use that form of power for the machinery.

The old cabinetmaker's bench is pretty cool, too, with lots of other interesting stuff sitting around it. I wonder what car that radiator grille came off of?

Stuart, I should have posted the name and contact information for the museum. I'm on the road right now but I get home I'll post it. Yes, they are planing on setting it all up and operating it in the blacksmith part of the compound (there are several buildings at the site).

The radiator I believe is from a '20's Studebaker.

Thomas
 

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Hi there Andrew, three days huh.... that wasn't so bad was it? :headscrat :)

Seriously thanks for sticking with it and check back in here. Once I get back home there'll be more, promise.

Thomas


It's a real pity I didn't see this thred last year, as I did a trip form Acron Ohio to LA last October and would have loved to drop in for a visit, may be next time:thumbup:
 
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First off the reason Charles, who was asking about the AL JERAULD manifold, is not what you might think and it's going to be an interesting story when we can disclose some details, but for now that's all I can divulge.

Next, the 2 car garage is now all cleared out.

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The few items seen are now all gone.

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The Falstaff Beer sign in the upper part of the garage is covering a window. This is probable the first time this building has been clean since it was built in the '50's. The tool shed next door is about 1/4 cleaned out now. With the extra room it's easier to sort out the remaining items.

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I'm starting to sort and place the shop manuals back in the shop. The 5 volumes on the top left........

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....... are Automobile Engineering Vol. I-V and have copyright dates starting in 1909 and ending in 1918. They cover all aspects of the very beginnings of the auto age. They introduce mechanics to the motor car, it's operating principles, construction and repair from "explosion motors" :scared: to steam cars. It is fascinating reading and they are well illustrated also. They also discuss how to set up a "proper garage". Perhaps I should have consulted them before I did the shop?

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On the middle shelf are mostly Chevrolet shop manuals from 1948 to 1966 and "Motor's"," Auto Repair Manual", 1942 through 1969. These are the shelves Mr. Johnson made for the manuals, installing them over the lift control cabinet. They were still on those shelves when I bought the shop.

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You can see those manuals here, (they're behind the ladder in the center and to the right of the window) This is also a good look at the original shop roof and how the lift room roof was grafted onto it. This picture is from a couple of months before I bought the shop, about Sept, 2005. The lift control cabinet is behind the gentleman in the picture.


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Same view 5 years later, present day (Nov, 2010).

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Those are dealer manuals on the middle shelf, nearest the camera. One from 1962 and two from 1964. That's what a customer consulted in the dealership when ordering a new car back then. They contain all the various models, options, paint chips and real interior fabric sample choices.

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There are also Chilton manuals, 1952 through 1974. I haven't cleaned them up yet. Looks like a mouse had a snack on the top cover of the flat rate manual.

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The Chevrolet Performance Handbook is from 1963 and on the cover is the mighty "dual quad" 409 of Beach Boys fame. Still looking for one of those crated up and lurking in an undiscovered corner of the tool shed. Starting to think that might be a lost cause though. :dunno:

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It's a real pity I didn't see this thred last year, as I did a trip form Acron Ohio to LA last October and would have loved to drop in for a visit, may be next time:thumbup:

Andrew that is a shame isn't it? You were very close when you went by. The shop is very near the intersection of 2 major Interstate highways, one going north/south (I 57), the other (I 74) east/west. As a bonus, being the center of the universe, we're even convenient no matter what continent you're on! Give us a shout next time you're state side and we'll try to make that happen. :thumbup:

Cheers
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I've been following this thread for a while.. gotta love all the parts and tools being uncovered. Seems like you got something fun to do everytime you go into the garage.. and the cool stuff is already there! Instead of buying overpriced **** from evilbay :)
The garage looks great btw, and you have preserved the history in a proper way!

Best regards from Norway (in the top of Europe)..

Hello there 344chief and welcome. Glad you think I've preserved the shop in a proper way. It straddles a middle ground but when all is said and done it's still a shop for doing work in.

Are the roads in Norway as inviting to drive as they look?

Thomas
 

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Here is it's big brother and what it is contained in.

239 ci. and 90 fire breathing Horse Power.

I can smoke the clutch in all 3 gears.:lol_hitti

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Here's an update on my work cleaning out some of the buildings. This is the flathead that was suppose to be overhauled some 60 years ago but never it never happened. It got put aside in the back corner of the building to the right until I uncovered it 5 years ago. There it sat until yesterday when I brought it outside and transferred it to the barn in the background.

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It appears to be fairly complete. I've been told it's a Ford 60 which was the smallest flathead V8 Ford made. Though it was in dry storage it was not environmentally controlled and has rusted due to humidity. Any of you flathead experts out there please add any information you see fit. This is my first exposure to them. I do know that the tool shed contains some NOS flathead parts which I'll be getting to pretty soon.

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Does your Yates American planer have babbit bearings in them? I was wondering about the drill and grinder as well.I am thinking they do. If they do have the babbit bearings how well do they hold up? I don't have any tools that I know of that has them and I was wondering how they held up and how hard are they to redo? I have a older powermatic planer but I have never taken it apart. I plan on going through it though. I have a lot of old woodworking stuff from the 30s to the 60s. You just can't beat the quality. I am trying to get away from the newer stuff and get the older cast iron tools made in the 30s to 60s. I have quite a few pieces now.

Willy3486 I haven't forgotten your questions. I've been trying to track down answers and just have not been successful as yet.

As for my planer and jointer they still have their original bearings. Yates-American sent me all service records for the machines after they were purchased by us in the late 1970's. I sent the serial numbers to Yates along with a request to get a color chip so I could restore them back to original condition and appearance. As I recall there was no mention of any bearing work done to either machine. They were in the pattern makers shop in a foundry so they were not heavily used which was apparent by the good condition they were in. My oldest wood working machine is from 1928 (early Delta) and the newest one is a 20" Rockwell bandsaw from 1968, with most from the '30's and 40's. My father impressed upon me the quality of older machines and he was right! :thumbup:

Babbit bearing are pretty straight forward to recast I'm told. I'm certain that there are members out there who can give first hand advice on them, especially when it comes to crankshaft bearings.

Thomas
 
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I like that you're sending those tools to a museum. Will they be able to set up the line shaft and belts so they actually work? I've always been fascinated by old machine shops/woodworking shops that use that form of power for the machinery.

Stuart, here is the web address for the I & I Antique Tractor And Gas Engine Club:

http://www.antiquefarm.org/mainsite/index.html

That's where I donated several items from the shop. It's a very much hands on organization, quite active and I feel a good place for Mr. Johnson's handy work to live on. If you ever make it one of their shows, I'm only about 30 miles away so stop on by. :)

Thomas
 
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Here is it's big brother and what it is contained in.

239 ci. and 90 fire breathing Horse Power.

I can smoke the clutch in all 3 gears.:lol_hitti

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Very nice 52Ford, yup that's the engine to have. I've got a good friend, Lou Bingham, who has done a bit of Bonneville speed record work using those flat-heads back in the 50's and 60's, but his had a bit more than 90 H/P. :D


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What did ya do with that drill press?

It's in the blacksmith museum section of the I & I Tractor Club.They are going to set up the overhead line shaft and use it with other line shaft machines, it won't be a static display but an operating one. See page 82, post # 1626 + # 1661 this page. It wasn't in line with what I'm doing out here in the shop so I made the decision to donate it last week. It was hard to let it and other items go but I have limited time and space. :sad: Move ahead.

Thomas
 

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Willy3486 I haven't forgotten your questions. I've been trying to track down answers and just have not been successful as yet.

As for my planer and jointer they still have their original bearings. Yates-American sent me all service records for the machines after they were purchased by us in the late 1970's. I sent the serial numbers to Yates along with a request to get a color chip so I could restore them back to original condition and appearance. As I recall there was no mention of any bearing work done to either machine. They were in the pattern makers shop in a foundry so they were not heavily used which was apparent by the good condition they were in. My oldest wood working machine is from 1928 (early Delta) and the newest one is a 20" Rockwell bandsaw from 1968, with most from the '30's and 40's. My father impressed upon me the quality of older machines and he was right! :thumbup:

Babbit bearing are pretty straight forward to recast I'm told. I'm certain that there are members out there who can give first hand advice on them, especially when it comes to crankshaft bearings.

Thomas
Don't worry about digging up the info I was just curious if you knew off hand. I too like the old stuff. I am not sure of my oldest but I have been going towards the old stuff. I have a lot more pre 60s stuff than post 60s. I will have to say I like rebuilding them ,but I haven't done anything with a babbit,yet. My dad did have a really nice cut off saw if I can one day get it from my mom I will. It was in a old watermill and made sometime around 1880. The saw has a lever and the blade travels out towards you. It worked similar to a radial arm saw but hte blade was on the bottom. Its a fairly safe saw compared to how it sounds. I think it would be perfect to set up with a metal cutting blade and use it for cutting metal rods and other stock. If you have photos of other old woodworking stuff throw it up there as well. If I ever move again I would like to find some place that had a old shop on it as well.I would enjoy redoing one. I have built my shop from tearing down at least 5 old buildings and using the good material. So I think I could enjoy redoing one instead of tearing one down.
 

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On the subject of your old woodworking machinery, there is another forum called "Old Woodworking Machinery.com" that is the home for guys that restore and use these machines. They have wonderful restoration examples and loads of old manuals etc. They've recently expanded to include old metalworking machinery.
 
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While cleaning out the tool shed I came upon this little gem.

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For sure that's something you don't see every day. :headscrat

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Pretty sure it use to be piston/rod assembly.........(he said tongue in cheek :D) The rod still moves freely on the wrist pin but it might be out of spec. :dunno: Now go ahead and tell me I'm not having fun out there. Day to day you just never know what you're going to find.


BTW if you're wondering, yes I'm keeping it.


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Also to follow up on the agricultural museum where many shop items now reside........

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.....next year here is one of their events. The two organizations are holding this in conjunction with one another. Note this is an international convention. In years past the Smithsonian Institution has loaned them equipment for exhibit at one of their shows, no slouch that!


Thomas
 

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You better keep that gem, Thomas. And mount it in a prominent position.

That is just flat out incredible...
 
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Is there a museum in Penfield? It is only about 10 miles from me. I knew about the annual show, but have never gotten there.

The present museum occupies most of the old Penfield Grade School. I don't know how many acres the whole I & I complex is, but it is a growing concern that is being improved constantly with an excellent reputation. I salute their efforts to preserve our agricultural heritage and have fun doing so!


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On the subject of your old woodworking machinery, there is another forum called "Old Woodworking Machinery.com" that is the home for guys that restore and use these machines. They have wonderful restoration examples and loads of old manuals etc. They've recently expanded to include old metalworking machinery.

Excellent recommendation collmorgen. :thumbup: There are some very impressive machines found there.

Thomas
 

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You better keep that gem, Thomas. And mount it in a prominent position.

That is just flat out incredible...

Yup, thats def one for *The Shelf of Curiousities & Monumental ****-ups* :)

I have a complete matched set of 8 bent valves from a 4cyl Kawasaki (among other things) on mine.
 

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Usually the owners of old time shops sold all the metal scrap to the recyclers. and you always got more money selling "cleaned" scrap metal. That piston looks like it didn't get close enough to the middle of the fire. A not to efficient way to separate the iron from the aluminum.

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.Here's how grease cups work...

...you force grease down the grease line under the cup which will then lubricate the shaft the line is connected to. Also note the cup has serrated edges on it to get a better grip. Older equipment had grease cups instead of bearings as it was much cheaper than an expensive bearing. How much a machine was used determined how often you would "grease" the machine by turning the cup. It is usually turned just a 1/2 turn whenever you "grease it.
Thomas

Heres a tidbit of information about grease cups that I learned after reading a book about a WWI motorcycle messenger when I was a kid.

Upon arriving at his destination delivering messages to high ranked Army officers, our hero immediately turned his grease cups, even before saluting.
This was correct and proper maintenance procedure because forcing the grease into hot (or warm) metal parts caused the grease to melt and flow properly.
 
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You better keep that gem, Thomas. And mount it in a prominent position.

That is just flat out incredible...

JC23 that same thought came to me when I uncovered the distorted piston....this is just flat out incredible. I know why they saved it!:D

Thomas
 
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Usually the owners of old time shops sold all the metal scrap to the recyclers. and you always got more money selling "cleaned" scrap metal. That piston looks like it didn't get close enough to the middle of the fire. A not to efficient way to separate the iron from the aluminum.

Nuts

The "REST OF THE STORY"

I've been told a tractor engine was being rebuilt in a barn which caught fire and burned down. When the tractor remains were towed to Johnson's this was among the pieces/parts that came along with it. It WAS a brand new piston/rod assembly. Interestingly enough I remember that fire as the barn was located on the edge of town and was pretty spectacular for a youngster to see. Happened in the mid '60's when I was a paperboy.

Thomas
 
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