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Is there anyone who doesn't go through an audiophile phase?
I really never grew out of it.... I always had to be an audiophile aficionado, and was always living within my means, as far as budget goes... Audiophiles and budget don't really belong in the same sentence... :)

To quote Popeye, "I yam what I yam." But don't think Popeye was an audiophile of any sort... I married the pretty girl, that I met. Popeye always had his eyeballs on Olive Oyl. Look at me now. I got both, a pretty girl and a stereo. :)
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Bob, my son Travis did get my gift card toward Best Buy... Evidently, Cheryl had talked to him about the larger store in Oakdale. He went there, that store didn't have much available on their shelf, so he ended up buying a video game controller, instead. I tell you, some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield... In this case, he got something he really wanted, so it's a good thing I didn't try to buy him something from there. I asked Cheryl if that was a good idea to buy him a gift card, verses buying him something as a physical item. She assured me that I did the proper thing...
 
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I started this on the "Pull up a Chair, time to be friends." thread but maybe it's better to post the whole mess here.

I messed up the under cabinet lights on our Whirlpool over-the-stove microwave. I tried to replace the dead bulb (there are two) more than a year ago and missed one of the pin holes. Sparks flew and the lights no longer work. Goog said it was a simple repair to replace the component I killed on the main board. I feared the repair might take too much time, especially if I purchased the wrong component. Decided to replace the board but none of the sites I checked offered new boards for this ancient (4-year-old) microwave. Ordered a used (worked when removed) board from eBay, figuring the swap would go faster.

Procrastination ended on Boxing Day (12/26/25) and everything went smoothly. Until I pulled the ribbon cable that connects the board to the front panel. Most of the ribbon cable came out but one piece didn't.
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Once again, couldn't find a new front panel and this ribbon cable is integrated into the front panel. I now know this because I removed the little LED panel and bent all the stainless cover clips and removed the panel cover. There are no fasteners underneath on either side. Back on eBay and I find the right part number cable assembly and front panel. The cheap ones have a different part number so I put the correct ($65) one in my basket with a $60 offer. The stainless on this panel is beat to **** but hey, I have a pristine replacement cover waiting to fix that. But the photos don't show what's under the beat up cover so I go back and withdraw my offer. I now have a microwave in pieces and it looks to me like I'm shoeing another dead horse with some expensive and badly worn out shoes.
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Lowe's delivered a new microwave on Saturday (12/27/26). It's an LG on sale for $349 ($250 off) and using their credit card takes another 5% off. Being lazy, I paid them to deliver it but they couldn't deliver it instantly so the shipping, while not free, took two days.

Younger Bob would simply remove the old one and install the new one while the glass-top stove is right there. Older Bob is going to move the stove, place several of his 4x4 cribbing scraps across the 30-inch opening and only destroy one appliance when it comes crashing down. Did I mention my powerful left arm low profile Vevor pneumatic jack may be part of this project?

I don't remember the last time I pulled the stove out but it has been a while. Some kind of organic glue is holding the sides of the glass top and front feet in place but my appliance jacks fixed the problem. Some cleaner with bleach squirted under both front feet made the stove move like it was on wheels. Same cleaner with bleach cleaned up the counter edges.
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The "Why do you keep all that stuff"" 4x4s and a couple of spare shelves joined the party.
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My gnarly duct-work lives behind a decorative secret panel in the cabinet above the microwave. It needs to be removed.
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Oh my, that cabinet hasn't been cleaned in a while. Its floor is well above my line of sight so "out of sight..." suits me fine. I went a little overboard with the aluminum tape because the stud column that goes into the attic was allowing a breeze in that cabinet. With the duct removed, it's time for the big gun.
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My belt and suspenders mind decided to add more blocks and adjust the appliance jacks to catch the microwave when I relieved pressure on the air bag. Added another brace with the two-step stool shelf. Boy does that stool come in handy.
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In addition to the two long 1/4-20 screws near the front edge of the cabinet, there's a bracket mounted to the back wall that hooks into slots in the microwave base. This means the microwave has to tilt quite precariously so I can get a screwdriver back there and lift the microwave off the bracket. I'm not the least bit nervous. I just keep repeating "Let it fall, don't try to catch it." Final step in the removal process was to call my next door neighbor. He runs a consignment shop so most days he's hauling huge pieces of furniture. He picked up this 65-pound microwave like it was a box of crackers and walked out the front door with it. Instead of me putting it out at the end of the driveway, he put it in his van and said he'd toss it in the dumpster behind his consignment shop.
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Time to unbox the new microwave, find the installation instructions and the template because I am absolutely certain neither the existing bracket nor the mounting holes are in the right place. The cabinet floor and back wall are Swiss cheese already but the old holes are taped closed so diamonds precious little screws don't find a new home.
 

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I started this on the "Pull up a Chair, time to be friends." thread but maybe it's better to post the whole mess here.

I messed up the under cabinet lights on our Whirlpool over-the-stove microwave. I tried to replace the dead bulb (there are two) more than a year ago and missed one of the pin holes. Sparks flew and the lights no longer work. Goog said it was a simple repair to replace the component I killed on the main board. I feared the repair might take too much time, especially if I purchased the wrong component. Decided to replace the board but none of the sites I checked offered new boards for this ancient (4-year-old) microwave. Ordered a used (worked when removed) board from eBay, figuring the swap would go faster.

Procrastination ended on Boxing Day (12/26/25) and everything went smoothly. Until I pulled the ribbon cable that connects the board to the front panel. Most of the ribbon cable came out but one piece didn't.
Whirlpool Front Panel Ribbon Cable.jpg
Once again, couldn't find a new front panel and this ribbon cable is integrated into the front panel. I now know this because I removed the little LED panel and bent all the stainless cover clips and removed the panel cover. There are no fasteners underneath on either side. Back on eBay and I find the right part number cable assembly and front panel. The cheap ones have a different part number so I put the correct ($65) one in my basket with a $60 offer. The stainless on this panel is beat to **** but hey, I have a pristine replacement cover waiting to fix that. But the photos don't show what's under the beat up cover so I go back and withdraw my offer. I now have a microwave in pieces and it looks to me like I'm shoeing another dead horse with some expensive and badly worn out shoes.
Whirlpool Microwave Decoration.jpg
Lowe's delivered a new microwave on Saturday (12/27/26). It's an LG on sale for $349 ($250 off) and using their credit card takes another 5% off. Being lazy, I paid them to deliver it but they couldn't deliver it instantly so the shipping, while not free, took two days.

Younger Bob would simply remove the old one and install the new one while the glass-top stove is right there. Older Bob is going to move the stove, place several of his 4x4 cribbing scraps across the 30-inch opening and only destroy one appliance when it comes crashing down. Did I mention my powerful left arm low profile Vevor pneumatic jack may be part of this project?

I don't remember the last time I pulled the stove out but it has been a while. Some kind of organic glue is holding the sides of the glass top and front feet in place but my appliance jacks fixed the problem. Some cleaner with bleach squirted under both front feet made the stove move like it was on wheels. Same cleaner with bleach cleaned up the counter edges.
Whirlpool Microwave Uninstall 1.jpg
The "Why do you keep all that stuff"" 4x4s and a couple of spare shelves joined the party.
Whirlpool Microwave Uninstall 2.jpg
My gnarly duct-work lives behind a decorative secret panel in the cabinet above the microwave. It needs to be removed.
Whirlpool Microwave Uninstall 3.jpg
Oh my, that cabinet hasn't been cleaned in a while. Its floor is well above my line of sight so "out of sight..." suits me fine. I went a little overboard with the aluminum tape because the stud column that goes into the attic was allowing a breeze in that cabinet. With the duct removed, it's time for the big gun.
Whirlpool Microwave Uninstall 4.jpg
My belt and suspenders mind decided to add more blocks and adjust the appliance jacks to catch the microwave when I relieved pressure on the air bag. Added another brace with the two-step stool shelf. Boy does that stool come in handy.
Whirlpool Microwave Uninstall 5.jpg
In addition to the two long 1/4-20 screws near the front edge of the cabinet, there's a bracket mounted to the back wall that hooks into slots in the microwave base. This means the microwave has to tilt quite precariously so I can get a screwdriver back there and lift the microwave off the bracket. I'm not the least bit nervous. I just keep repeating "Let it fall, don't try to catch it." Final step in the removal process was to call my next door neighbor. He runs a consignment shop so most days he's hauling huge pieces of furniture. He picked up this 65-pound microwave like it was a box of crackers and walked out the front door with it. Instead of me putting it out at the end of the driveway, he put it in his van and said he'd toss it in the dumpster behind his consignment shop.
Whirlpool Microwave Uninstall 6.jpg
Time to unbox the new microwave, find the installation instructions and the template because I am absolutely certain neither the existing bracket nor the mounting holes are in the right place. The cabinet floor and back wall are Swiss cheese already but the old holes are taped closed so diamonds precious little screws don't find a new home.
Loving that air bag jack dealio...first time I've seen one.

Happy Christmas and warm fuzzies Bob :)
 

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Bob I am 1400 miles away and my recent back surgery prevents me lifting more than a McDonald's double Quarter Pounder with cheese right now or I would be on your doorstep right now.. Is there no one close that could supervise the project

I understand the self sufficiency aspect, not only from my own current limitations, but from a life long friend who, while he has both arms, has not much in the way of fingers or thumbs and yet has led a very fulfilling life, not only as a businessman, but maintaining a home in the country complete with motorcycles, chain saws, lawn mowers et al that he has always maintained himself (pretty good drag racer back in the day, too). But, he knows when the jig is up and he's gotta ask for a (no pun) hand. I hope there is someone aside from Liane there for you that you can ask for an "arm"....
 
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Bob I am 1400 miles away and my recent back surgery prevents me lifting more than a McDonald's double Quarter Pounder with cheese right now or I would be on your doorstep right now.. Is there no one close that could supervise the project

I understand the self sufficiency aspect, not only from my own current limitations, but from a life long friend who, while he has both arms, has not much in the way of fingers or thumbs and yet has led a very fulfilling life, not only as a businessman, but maintaining a home in the country complete with motorcycles, chain saws, lawn mowers et al that he has always maintained himself (pretty good drag racer back in the day, too). But, he knows when the jig is up and he's gotta ask for a (no pun) hand. I hope there is someone aside from Liane there for you that you can ask for an "arm"....
Gerry, I hid the secret at the end of the post. My neighbor attended our last Train Party in 2005. He turns 61 in a few days but he is still lifting furniture heavier than me every day. Any time I need "a hand" he's here. He was a scrawny guy 20 years ago but he looks like a body builder today.
Final step in the removal process was to call my next door neighbor. He runs a consignment shop so most days he's hauling huge pieces of furniture. He picked up this 65-pound microwave like it was a box of crackers and walked out the front door with it. Instead of me putting it out at the end of the driveway, he put it in his van and said he'd toss it in the dumpster behind his consignment shop.
When my neighbor isn't available or it's a bigger job, our 62 year old son and between one and four of his sons is here to help. He is currently working on a renovation project in an ocean-front condo in the town just to our north so either he or my neighbor will be helping. I enjoy and am proud of my independence but "A good man always knows his limitations."
 

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Gerry, I hid the secret at the end of the post. My neighbor attended our last Train Party in 2005. He turns 61 in a few days but he is still lifting furniture heavier than me every day. Any time I need "a hand" he's here. He was a scrawny guy 20 years ago but he looks like a body builder today.

When my neighbor isn't available or it's a bigger job, our 62 year old son and between one and four of his sons is here to help. He is currently working on a renovation project in an ocean-front condo in the town just to our north so either he or my neighbor will be helping. I enjoy and am proud of my independence but "A good man always knows his limitations."
Bob, I was out of line this morning, probably due to my own current situation. I have read enough of your posts to know that you are smart enough to call for help when it's necessary.

I'm few years behind you, and have always prided myself in being self sufficient (to a fault, I am told). My next door neighbor and the one across the road are the same way, we are each other's "fall back", have been for years. My problem is that I'm older by ten years or more to this pair, and the asking seems to be almost always in one direction now. I make my shop, tools and supplies available to these two, but can't handle a chain saw, a shovel or climb on the roof like a couple three years ago. Right now, I have to watch my better half carry anything more than 5 pounds up the steps into our house or get yelled at. I have multiple projects stacked and with the cold weather, I can't function without the cold affecting my lower back strength. When I saw your prep work for the oven replacement, I so wanted to be there. :thumbup:
 
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Merry Christmas Bob. Hope you and the family have a great holiday.
Zim
Thank you Zim, it was low key, just the way I like it.
Merry Christmas!
@zanyad, I'm late as usual but Merry Christmas to you as well. Hope it was a good one.
I don't really have a personal thread I just interject comments from time to time. With the way things are going I might be taking the dirt nap before you. But it is the Holidays and try not to dwell on that I just up the approved pain management medication.
We are due for 8 inches of frozen creek today.....

have fun
Michael, the best we can do is enjoy the time we have.
Bob, I agree with you on the fact that I don't use my Android Smart-*** phone to its fullest extent. I do have to depend on it, to keep me safe and honest... That being said, I do have an app on my phone that watches my position, on the Earth. It is called Life360... I don't normally use it, to check on Cheryl, but our immediate family has this installed... The only time I use it would be to see if Cheryl is away, and I thought of something that she could pick up, if she is very near the closest Walmart. One time, Cheryl wanted to track my progress on my way home from work, (in inclement weather) and the software told her that I'm screwed and I ended up at the bottom of the St. Croix River... I made it home, just minutes later, but she did have some concerns about my safety... I did get a big hug from her that evening... So, the software isn't perfect and I can imagine the bad weather really affected things. But it mostly works, most of the time...
Rick, that sounds like a fun app. Probably developed by the same people who did the map software in our Cadillac. It tells me to make a right into a sugar cane field and then tells me to make a u-turn and try again. Won't be using it anywhere near the ocean or Intracostal.
@Squankum, sorry --- I couldn't hear you. My doorbell is ringing in my head.
None of us do!

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Why? Why couldn't my mother have had that side effect from her Prednisone?!
Sometimes you get to live more than 60 years after you yell: "A TRAIN!"

Maybe your mother wasn't taking enough....
I would have to agree with your thoughts about home stereo equipment. Sorry, that it took this long to respond to your writings.... But, I agree with you, that a home stero, with a few hundred watts of power, and floor-standing speakers are the way to go. In my case, I have three sets of speakers, stacked up, within inches to the ceiling, in my "tin can" of a shop.( Shipping container...) I agree with you, with your dislike of opera. I really don't do (see) musicals... Type of movies, either, unless you consider the movie... Grease. That one was my exception. I still own the book, have the album set, and watched the movie several times, and have the VHS version of it in a box, somewhere in this house. I don't normally like Broadway shows, but was "forced" to go to one in the Twin Cities, since the Rockettes came to town, and my niece was part of the show. That one put some tears in my eyes, watching them (and my niece) dancing. When we first got there (it was a sold out show) I had to sit in the balcony. After half-time break, the Rockettes asked for a volunteer from the audience... Of course, my niece raised her hand, and they picked her.. ( it was pre-arranged, and the niece had been practicing with them the prior few weeks..). So, I could take her seat for the second half of the show, a few rows back from the stage.
Rick, because we lived in Wappingers Falls from 1966-75, an hour and a half to Manhattan (via Route 9 to Croton-Harmon and train to Grand Central Station), we took our kids to see The Nutcracker and several off-Broadway shows when we lived there. Also took them to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Museum of Natural History and the Bronx Zoo.
I really never grew out of it.... I always had to be an audiophile aficionado, and was always living within my means, as far as budget goes... Audiophiles and budget don't really belong in the same sentence... :)

To quote Popeye, "I yam what I yam." But don't think Popeye was an audiophile of any sort... I married the pretty girl, that I met. Popeye always had his eyeballs on Olive Oyl. Look at me now. I got both, a pretty girl and a stereo. :)
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In all things, I try to live within my means.
Merry Christmas and happy new year to you buddy 😁 happy and feeling blessed to still be here kicking it! Wishing you happiness and health for 2026! 🎉.
Eric, livin' the life we have is the best thing there is.
Bob, my son Travis did get my gift card toward Best Buy... Evidently, Cheryl had talked to him about the larger store in Oakdale. He went there, that store didn't have much available on their shelf, so he ended up buying a video game controller, instead. I tell you, some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield... In this case, he got something he really wanted, so it's a good thing I didn't try to buy him something from there. I asked Cheryl if that was a good idea to buy him a gift card, verses buying him something as a physical item. She assured me that I did the proper thing...
Rick, I stopped buying presents 15 years ago. I put cash in an envelope for the grands and an envelope to the parents of the great grands so they can buy presents after Christmas when they find out what the little people actually wanted. Christmas nightmare was listening to the whining and crying because someone's box was bigger or their present wasn't on their list to Santa. No one has ever returned cash or asked if we have the receipt. I have a pile of gift cards that have expired because I never had them with me when I went to the store or forgot I had it. On the rare occasion I remembered, there was always a less than $10 balance. I loved it when I handed a gift card to the cashier and was told: "We stopped accepting those *** years ago." Far as I know, stores still accept cash and cash doesn't expire.
I was thinking more this:

Animal is a favorite!
@zanyad, I feel like I've been rung by that bell more than once. Animal is my alter ego.

I missed out on Sesame Street. By the time it began in 1969, our two children were 6 and 7. They were fans of Star Trek, which debuted on the first anniversary (9/9/66) of my Luckiest Day.
@Squankum, just as intelligible as Queen and I like the SS group better. I don't want this to get out but I'm not a big Queen fan. Because she was a fan[atic] of The Highlander series, Liane also likes the Queen soundtrack.
Loving that air bag jack dealio...first time I've seen one.

Happy Christmas and warm fuzzies Bob :)
Dennis, it's like sliced bread, you suddenly don't have to stress, trying to get two slices of bread the same thickness.
I ordered the low clearance model because two of my vehicles are less than four inches off the ground. I needed to jack up the PT Cruiser a week or two ago and I was like a little kid, watching the car go up with one valve and down with the other. Suddenly I get the whole Low Rider thing.

I ordered mine directly from Vevor because they had the best price ($85.59 delivered to my door) but it is available from other sources. They have a pretty wide selection, many with wheels and longer handles.
 
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Bob, you are the Mastermind with all the right solutions to the task! I commend you on the work. And somewhat like me, when you read the part about Lowe's also doing installs, you scoffed at it.
Heroic effort
Alan, the older I get, the more important patience becomes. I used to rush into stuff and hurt myself or break something because I didn't pause to figure out how the small smart piece of my brain would do it. A bit of Liane lives right next to the big dumb piece of my brain and gives it a whack every time I try to override the small smart piece.
Bob, I was out of line this morning, probably due to my own current situation. I have read enough of your posts to know that you are smart enough to call for help when it's necessary.

I'm few years behind you, and have always prided myself in being self sufficient (to a fault, I am told). My next door neighbor and the one across the road are the same way, we are each other's "fall back", have been for years. My problem is that I'm older by ten years or more to this pair, and the asking seems to be almost always in one direction now. I make my shop, tools and supplies available to these two, but can't handle a chain saw, a shovel or climb on the roof like a couple three years ago. Right now, I have to watch my better half carry anything more than 5 pounds up the steps into our house or get yelled at. I have multiple projects stacked and with the cold weather, I can't function without the cold affecting my lower back strength. When I saw your prep work for the oven replacement, I so wanted to be there. :thumbup:
Gerry, no way were you out of line. The strength and stamina I had just a few years ago keeps slipping away. Any task I can accomplish now fills me with a kind of childish joy, like that gold star a teacher would put on something I did. Every time I watch Liane or someone else helping or doing what I used to do on my own makes me a little sad. Then a different kind of joy happens because these people are in my life and I'm thinking maybe they love me. It also reminds me to flip the "It is better to give than to receive" adage because gratefully receiving something generously given is important. At least that's my excuse for sitting on my fat *** and watching others work.

It's almost comical when my son or neighbor come over to help me. They are nineteen and twenty years years younger than me but both are in their 60s.

You and I live almost opposite lives as far as the weather goes. I have multiple outdoor and attic projects stacked up to be done now, before it gets too hot. I have the ability to lose almost a gallon of fluid (mostly sweat) on a 90°F day and we get a whole bunch of those days between May and November. An hour up in the 130°F attic is [beyond] borderline stupid.
 

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That microwave was a “Darn if you do, Darn if you don’t” kinda deal. It’s rare if parts for the appliances are found for them if they are made between 2010 and today. Along with in a price range that’s acceptable for an old appliance.

But if it’s older then 2010 then it seems there’s more of a market for parts on basic appliances, the kind that’s low on the bells and whistles options. I fixed our stove with $60 of parts awhile back and it’s been working just fine. When it comes to a microwave, I tend to to just toss it cause new parts are just too expensive for the age of the appliance.
 
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That microwave was a “Darn if you do, Darn if you don’t” kinda deal. It’s rare if parts for the appliances are found for them if they are made between 2010 and today. Along with in a price range that’s acceptable for an old appliance.

But if it’s older then 2010 then it seems there’s more of a market for parts on basic appliances, the kind that’s low on the bells and whistles options. I fixed our stove with $60 of parts awhile back and it’s been working just fine. When it comes to a microwave, I tend to to just toss it cause new parts are just too expensive for the age of the appliance.
Cody, I bet you are right. A sign of age may be the willingness (and need) to repair, rather than replace things. The whole iPhone thing has helped that mentality. I needed a cell phone when I started working at America Online in 1995 and bought a Motorola MicroTAC. It cost me around $600 but like everything needed for that job (including the '87 Corvette repairs) was a tax write-off. As I recall, I stopped using it when that model phone was no longer supported by my carrier. Replacing a phone every year makes sense if you're the seller. Even if the service provider claims it's "Free," the price is included in the monthly bill.
It is the GJ way! We have the tools, and those kids would just screw things up!
Mike (@zmotorsports) is the master in both tools and techniques. I know many of my tools will never pay me back but I bet one drawer in Mike's shop could hold all the tools that haven't paid for themselves.

I think "those kids" is a relative term. My kids are in their 60s and are pretty good at getting things done right. One of them gets paid to use his tools (they both get paid to use the one their neck holds up).
Oh, it's not just the "kids" that screw things up. Trust me, my neighbor knows firsthand that the older guys are just as good at screwing things up as the kids. 😔

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Dan, I've had the same experience. Though I sometimes wonder if the older guys just have more practice screwing things up. Worked in a garage in my teens alongside an elderly gentleman who would swap the brushes in a starter, spray some paint on the housing and charge the customer for a brand new starter.
Bob,
Great problem solving!
Vevor for the win AGAIN!
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Thank you Jon. These days I do my best not to overdo it so I annoy Liane by not just grabbing my biggest hammer to solve the problem.

My Vevor purchases, compared to the Milwaukee M12 and M18 stuff, are fewer but so far I've been impressed with every one.
Bob and all the friends here
Happy New Year to you and your families
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@gman007, Happy New Year to you and yours!
Happy new year
Thank you Jim!
Bob, question for you. Have you had any issues with the Vevor jack tilting on you?

BTW, Happy New Year!

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Dan, I haven't used the jack that much yet so all I can say is it hasn't happened -- yet.

Happy New Year to you too!
 
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Hope everyone had a nice New Years. We did; after it got dark, we watched three Star Wars movies. I think the first three that were made. I hadn't seen any of them until now. Cheryl googled the first one and found out that it was made in 1977! So, I'm a bit behind times in watching them. Ha. I think my favorite character in it (besides Harrison Ford) was the fuzzy, Big Foot feller. He was pretty cool. I will have to watch some Harry Potter movies next, as I haven't seen any of them yet.
 

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, I bet you are right. A sign of age may be the willingness (and need) to repair, rather than replace things. The whole iPhone thing has helped that mentality. I needed a cell phone when I started working at America Online in 1995 and bought a Motorola MicroTAC. It cost me around $600 but like everything needed for that job (including the '87 Corvette repairs) was a tax write-off. As I recall, I stopped using it when that model phone was no longer supported by my carrier. Replacing a phone every year makes sense if you're the seller. Even if the service provider claims it's "Free," the price is included in the monthly bill.
Hi Bob. Like so many of your posts, this resonates with me.

My youngest offspring, twins, were born in late 1990. As the due date approached there were some complications with the pregnancy that made it wise for me to be easily contactable at short notice and the world of technology was offering solutions to this that hadn't previously been available, i.e. what we call a mobile phone and you call a cell. My employer, the Federal government, had not yet come to terms with this brave new world and there was no possibility of me having one provided as a tool of trade so to speak, so the only option was to purchase one personally. I can see your $600 and raise it to $2,000 AUD for something the size of a shoebox. Nearly $5K in today's money. I think it was a Nokia. This was to buy it outright, call fees etc, were payable monthly.

Eventually my employer got with the program and for about the last 15 years or so of my career I had a phone provided. When I retired in 2010 I bought my second personal phone, another Nokia, which was much smaller and only about $300. Ever since I have been able to rely on inheriting phones from my kids and sons in laws when their "plan" expires and haven't bought another one since. My current phone is an Iphone 11, regarded by the next generation as ridiculously old and unfit for purpose. The generation after that, in the form of my eldest grandson who is coming up to 13 and the only one them to so far persuade their parents they should have a phone of their own, is even more appalled. Funny thing is, this old clunker makes and receives phone calls, does likewise with text messages, takes photos, plays music and does everything else I need it to (and many things I don't). I pay $25 a month to a carrier company for unlimited calls and texts, and more than enough download allowance for my needs while the previous owner of my phone pays several times that including, as you say, for a new phone every couple of years.
 

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I bet you are right. A sign of age may be the willingness (and need) to repair, rather than replace things.
Age does have something to do with it; my dad was the last of the generations of mechanics that repaired components (Generators, starters, fuel pumps, carburetors, radios with ******** power supplies, windshield wiper motors and on and on) and he taught me well.

But other factors play into it too - money saved in salvage/fixing something when I was supporting a family of five on a computer operator's salary (1971 was 7800/year) meant we paid the bills. Later on, when I started repairing radios and computers it meant those side gigs paid for my vices (motorcycles, audio gear, tools....). When my work responsibilities became 24 X 7, it was a mind diversion- keeping my old Cub Cadet tractor running was a satisfying side track away from a whole world of WTF's that work brought.

These days it's inertia.. I would rather spend the time repairing rather than go out shopping, although Jungle Botique has taken the edge off of that.. Plus, I'm told I'm a cheap Ba****d.
 

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I feel the same way. I used to rebuild starters and alternators, hone wheel cylinders on drum brakes.

I've had my tensioner pulley on my serpentine belt fail enough times that on my '89 Chev pickup, I finally machined a new pulley out of steel. Made a slight press fit for a very common sized, very affordable alternator bearing. The original was plastic, so I couldn't just replace the bearing. Had to buy the whole pulley. My plan was working... Put lots of miles on the truck until the new bearing failed, the serp belt shredded and I was stuck on the side of the road. Since I had planned ahead and had another (new) belt and another used pulley, I could just switch the pulley on the road, put a new belt on, and I'm good. Once home, I could replace the bearing and put my home-made pulley back on. At least, that was the plan. I should tell you that this was on the edge of the road, in Oakdale, on 694, at rush hour....... (At least it was summertime.). I started by trying to loosen the bolt on the pulley. That bolt was tight!! No amount of effort would break that bolt loose. About that time, a co-worker had seen me there, so he stopped and asked if I needed a ride home. Yes! But first I took the bolts loose that held the bracket on, and took the whole thing home. Left the truck on the side of the Interstate. Once home, I put the bracket in a vise, and tried to loosen that bolt with the impact wrench. Nothing was happening... I thought to reverse direction on the impact to try to go back and forth a couple of ugga-duggas. As soon as I reversed the impact the bolt came loose!!! I had completely forgotten that the bolt had a left-hand thread... Dang-it! Even the best well made plans sometimes don't work. I replaced the bearing, Cheryl and I drove back to the truck, I fixed it and we got home. But dang, with semi trucks and cars whizzing by, at just feet away from me, that wasn't a great experience.
 
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Crises come in threes in the Emporium. The microwave was first. The old one has been removed and the new one is on a couple of 2x4 scraps and shims and being tested. The controls along the bottom of the front panel are perfect for use at Liane's eye level but quite inconvenient from floor level. At least I know it works.
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Second was a toilet valve that didn't shut off one time but started failing more often. Easy job, valve replaced, supply re-connected -- but has decided to leak. A new supply line is on its way from the Bezos River and expected to arrive Saturday. I can flush the toilet, open the water valve until the tank fills for another flush and close the valve again. Toilet plumbing is not a photo-worthy job.

Third was the slide-in range we bought in 2003. It's a GE Profile 30-inch electric with glass cook top and convection oven with a probe to set and detect meat doneness. Paid about $2,200 for it and it has been a very reliable appliance. To cook our Christmas eve dinner, I moved the stove back far enough to plug it in and cooked a 2 pound tomahawk steak low and slow using the oven's 'Roast' (convection) setting until the internal temperature (using the probe) of the steak reached 120°F. To sear the steak I put the cast iron griddle on the paired burners on top of the stove. Took five seconds to realize it was a bad idea because there was no power vent above the stove and I had created a smoke bomb. Took the steak off the griddle, moved the griddle away from the hot burners and shoved the steak in the oven and turned on 'Broil.' Before I knew it, the steak was done but there were sparks in the oven as I pulled the steak out. Cooked some veggies in the garage microwave and had a lovely dinner.

For New Year's Eve dinner we planned to split a 10-ounce steak, split a big baked potato and another veggie side. Set the oven to 'Roast' to cook the potato and it didn't heat up past 101°F. Tried 'Convection Bake' and that was also a no-go. Ended up setting oven to plain 'Bake' and got the oven to 450°F. After 45 minutes I set the oven to 'Broil' to try to cook the steak. The upper heating element was not showing signs it was heating up. I touched the heating unit with an oven mit and a u-section fell off, followed a second later by another section further back on the element. The steak went out to the Ninja grill/air fryer and finished at the same time as the potato.

Without even searching for the parts, which includes at least a burner element but who knows what part of the convection fan system has died -- the blade turns free. With our kitchen looking like a storm ravaged mess Liane said the magic words: "Buy a new stove!" and I went to my room. Turns out Lowe's has an LG 30-inch slide-in electric range with convection and air fryer oven settings and 5 burners on the glass cooktop on sale for $1,399 ($700 off). But the sale ends December 31, 2025. Further GoogAI searches yield nothing better and with the 5% Lowe's credit card discount I managed to place the order at 11:25 on 12/31/2025. The stove will be delivered on Friday (1/2/2026) between 9:00 AM and 1:00 PM.

Much as I love our neighbor, he is not a gentle person. If something isn't fitting, more force is his only mode. Our son and grandson will make a return visit to help with the 3,000th microwave install their job entails and probably help me swap power cables and slide the new stove into its forever home.
 

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Holy smokes, Bob. The issues you went through, just to make a decent meal for Liane.

I consider myself as a parts getter (meat and such from the grocery store). I used to help with the cooking, but my efforts were quickly frowned upon. I can't imagine why... I didn't break that many glass bowls... My spice rack consisted of salt and pepper, nothing else. Her spice rack consists of things I've not had the chance to introduce myself to them...

I really never burnt hamburger... I'd stick to the stove and keep at it until I thought it was ready to add to some Hamburger Helper. I never walked away. Just kept stirring the meat, until it was ready for the next step.
 
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Before I forget how to post, today went well. Our son and his youngest (I refer to them as the Eric brothers) showed up at 9:00 AM, 15 minutes before the Lowe's truck showed up. They left at 10:30 AM and I spent the rest of the day putting things back where they belong. It's time to test out the equipment. Pardon the spots, they might be the ghosts of appliances past....
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Hope everyone had a nice New Years. We did; after it got dark, we watched three Star Wars movies. I think the first three that were made. I hadn't seen any of them until now. Cheryl googled the first one and found out that it was made in 1977! So, I'm a bit behind times in watching them. Ha. I think my favorite character in it (besides Harrison Ford) was the fuzzy, Big Foot feller. He was pretty cool. I will have to watch some Harry Potter movies next, as I haven't seen any of them yet.
Rick, enjoyed Maryland crab cakes and microwaved broccoli for dinner -- more than enough for us. Our indoor celebration was nice and quiet. Outside wasn't so quiet but the fireworks ended early when the temperature dropped below 50°F and we were in bed and asleep long before midnight. Three or four loud explosions woke me at 5:00 AM today. Probably a few party goers passed out before they finished blowing their most expensive firecrackers. Watched a few episodes of Spartacus: House of Ashur.
Hi Bob. Like so many of your posts, this resonates with me.

My youngest offspring, twins, were born in late 1990. As the due date approached there were some complications with the pregnancy that made it wise for me to be easily contactable at short notice and the world of technology was offering solutions to this that hadn't previously been available, i.e. what we call a mobile phone and you call a cell. My employer, the Federal government, had not yet come to terms with this brave new world and there was no possibility of me having one provided as a tool of trade so to speak, so the only option was to purchase one personally. I can see your $600 and raise it to $2,000 AUD for something the size of a shoebox. Nearly $5K in today's money. I think it was a Nokia. This was to buy it outright, call fees etc, were payable monthly.

Eventually my employer got with the program and for about the last 15 years or so of my career I had a phone provided. When I retired in 2010 I bought my second personal phone, another Nokia, which was much smaller and only about $300. Ever since I have been able to rely on inheriting phones from my kids and sons in laws when their "plan" expires and haven't bought another one since. My current phone is an Iphone 11, regarded by the next generation as ridiculously old and unfit for purpose. The generation after that, in the form of my eldest grandson who is coming up to 13 and the only one them to so far persuade their parents they should have a phone of their own, is even more appalled. Funny thing is, this old clunker makes and receives phone calls, does likewise with text messages, takes photos, plays music and does everything else I need it to (and many things I don't). I pay $25 a month to a carrier company for unlimited calls and texts, and more than enough download allowance for my needs while the previous owner of my phone pays several times that including, as you say, for a new phone every couple of years.
Geoff, I'd be happy to have a coin operated mobile phone. Put a quarter in and make a call or two texts would probably cost me $10 a month. I guess paying $30 for three phones is about the same. My children, grandchildren and probably my oldest great grandchild think my $222.55 Samsung A16 is useless, compared to their iPhones. I grew up looking at 9" black & white TV screens and decade by decade bought bigger TV screens. The one in our rather long master bedroom is a $748.99 Samsung 75-inch 4K screen. Samsung tells me I should use my phone as the remote but then Liane would have a stroke. She already uses a huge amount of foul language about the remote that came with the TV. Paying $899 for an iPhone 16 with 256 GB and a 6.1-inch screen blows my mind.

Streaming stuff to a 6.5-inch phone screen seems like a giant leap backward, even if it does have a 2340 x 1080 pixel resolution.
Age does have something to do with it; my dad was the last of the generations of mechanics that repaired components (Generators, starters, fuel pumps, carburetors, radios with ******** power supplies, windshield wiper motors and on and on) and he taught me well.

But other factors play into it too - money saved in salvage/fixing something when I was supporting a family of five on a computer operator's salary (1971 was 7800/year) meant we paid the bills. Later on, when I started repairing radios and computers it meant those side gigs paid for my vices (motorcycles, audio gear, tools....). When my work responsibilities became 24 X 7, it was a mind diversion- keeping my old Cub Cadet tractor running was a satisfying side track away from a whole world of WTF's that work brought.

These days it's inertia.. I would rather spend the time repairing rather than go out shopping, although Jungle Botique has taken the edge off of that.. Plus, I'm told I'm a cheap Ba****d.
Gerry, it's a small world. In 1971 IBM was paying me $7,800 a year but with only four of us it was probably easier. Sold some stock and splurged on a brand new Vega GT but almost everything else was repaired stuff from dumpster diving and treasures deposited at the curb for the annual Town Cleanup festival. If I couldn't fix something, we went without so I got pretty good at fixing most of our junk.

These days I value my time more than my money so I'll forego a week of parts ordering, returning and then fixing an old piece of **** with more old pieces of ****. I do enjoy buying iPods for pennies on the dollar that typically only need a battery. Pretty good value for a dumb music player that can be connected to the car audio system.
I feel the same way. I used to rebuild starters and alternators, hone wheel cylinders on drum brakes.

I've had my tensioner pulley on my serpentine belt fail enough times that on my '89 Chev pickup, I finally machined a new pulley out of steel. Made a slight press fit for a very common sized, very affordable alternator bearing. The original was plastic, so I couldn't just replace the bearing. Had to buy the whole pulley. My plan was working... Put lots of miles on the truck until the new bearing failed, the serp belt shredded and I was stuck on the side of the road. Since I had planned ahead and had another (new) belt and another used pulley, I could just switch the pulley on the road, put a new belt on, and I'm good. Once home, I could replace the bearing and put my home-made pulley back on. At least, that was the plan. I should tell you that this was on the edge of the road, in Oakdale, on 694, at rush hour....... (At least it was summertime.). I started by trying to loosen the bolt on the pulley. That bolt was tight!! No amount of effort would break that bolt loose. About that time, a co-worker had seen me there, so he stopped and asked if I needed a ride home. Yes! But first I took the bolts loose that held the bracket on, and took the whole thing home. Left the truck on the side of the Interstate. Once home, I put the bracket in a vise, and tried to loosen that bolt with the impact wrench. Nothing was happening... I thought to reverse direction on the impact to try to go back and forth a couple of ugga-duggas. As soon as I reversed the impact the bolt came loose!!! I had completely forgotten that the bolt had a left-hand thread... Dang-it! Even the best well made plans sometimes don't work. I replaced the bearing, Cheryl and I drove back to the truck, I fixed it and we got home. But dang, with semi trucks and cars whizzing by, at just feet away from me, that wasn't a great experience.
Rick, I have done my fair share of roadside repairs but always found a wide place well off the road (bridges were the best) to do the work. When the Fiat caught fire I walked home and got the tow bar and Lincoln Town car to retrieve it. A beach towel saved me from major damage but there were some wires, plastic bits and an engine cover that needed work. Fortunately there was plenty of room in our 2-car garage.
Yooooz guys are relentless... I certainly don't want to hear the Muppets singing Queen songs on my stereo, every time Mom's Doorbell rings... Haha. It's all good.
Rick, just plain Queen songs were loud so the Muppets screaming is just a little over the top.
Holy smokes, Bob. The issues you went through, just to make a decent meal for Liane.

I consider myself as a parts getter (meat and such from the grocery store). I used to help with the cooking, but my efforts were quickly frowned upon. I can't imagine why... I didn't break that many glass bowls... My spice rack consisted of salt and pepper, nothing else. Her spice rack consists of things I've not had the chance to introduce myself to them...

I really never burnt hamburger... I'd stick to the stove and keep at it until I thought it was ready to add to some Hamburger Helper. I never walked away. Just kept stirring the meat, until it was ready for the next step.
Rick, I was a heavy drinker by the time I retired from IBM right after I turned 50. When Liane asked me: "When do I get to retire?" I was sober enough to reply but too drunk to have a smart reply. When I suggested I take over the cooking, Liane gleefully agreed. For most of the past 30 years I have been trying my best to make horrible meals but Liane eats them with a smile and says: "Food tastes better when someone else cooks it." I get lots of suggestions but very little help. Sometimes she offers to cut stuff up because me doing it one-handed makes her nervous (remember, she has to drive me to the ER when I screw up).
OK, let's see what's left. There is the garbage disposal and the fridge. Shall we start a pool to see what's next?? (Seriously Bob, I'm not trying to have fun at your expense) But geeeeez!

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Dan, it's all good. The fridge is a Samsung counter-depth French Door model so the icemaker in the refrigerator section is already dead and little chunks of the flipper door seals are falling apart but I hate it so much I'll keep it alive because it was Liane's dream cooler. Finding stuff in the bottom freezer looks like an episode of a Road Runner cartoon, with packages flying through the air until we find the item we were absolutely certain was in there. Sure enough, it almost always is but uncannily it's the item at the very bottom of the drawer
Bob,
I think you need to rid yourself the CTS-V before it breaks down. I'd reluctantly volunteer to take it off your hands, as a courtesy of course 🙄
Fred, I already had the transmission rebuilt by the flying monkeys at my local Cadillac dealer so I need to drive it 300,000 miles to break even. It's getting close to 20,000 miles on the odometer. I suspect it was one of the test mules at the Nürburgring. I do appreciate the offer. If I pass, Liane will probably sell the CTS-V for the price of a high mileage, worn out plain Jane CTS. Avoiding that helps keep me alive.
 
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When my work responsibilities became 24 X 7, it was a mind diversion- keeping my old Cub Cadet tractor running was a satisfying side track away from a whole world of WTF's that work brought.

Machinery comes from the world of science! There are rules and logic! The newest changes at work? Ay yi yi yi yi.

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I've had my tensioner pulley on my serpentine belt fail enough times that on my '89 Chev pickup, I finally machined a new pulley out of steel. Made a slight press fit for a very common sized, very affordable alternator bearing. The original was plastic, so I couldn't just replace the bearing. Had to buy the whole pulley. My plan was working... Put lots of miles on the truck until the new bearing failed, the serp belt shredded and I was stuck on the side of the road.

How many miles are transpiring here?

My preventive maintenance plan for the missus's old dinosaurs with oodles of highway miles is: new serp belt, idler, tensioner, every 100K mi. It's worked so far.

I have a thrifty friend who found the right bearing number to replace the bearing in an idler pulley, found that O'Reilly's had it in stock, then began the difficulty of the kid at the counter/computer being unable to go get it off the shelf and grab it and sell it to him.... because the customer could not state... year... make.... model.... engine.... to bring up that bearing.
 
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Great job Bob and the “Eric” brothers !
Thanks @gman007, it was good to have them helping.
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@Squankum, what is this "work" you speak of?
How many miles are transpiring here?

My preventive maintenance plan for the missus's old dinosaurs with oodles of highway miles is: new serp belt, idler, tensioner, every 100K mi. It's worked so far.

I have a thrifty friend who found the right bearing number to replace the bearing in an idler pulley, found that O'Reilly's had it in stock, then began the difficulty of the kid at the counter/computer being able to go get it off the shelf and grab it and sell it to him.... because the customer could not state... year... make.... model.... engine.... to bring up that bearing.
It's why I buy so much stuff from Rock Auto and Jeff's River. I'm extremely patient and enjoy fixing things. It bothers me I can't fix stupid.

I managed to replace the water level valve in the guest [that's me] bathroom but the old flex pipe decided it's rubber cone was only compatible with the old valve. The Eric Brothers were eager to tackle the job but I told them I was waiting for Jeff's River to deliver the new flex pipe on Saturday (today). It arrived unusually early this morning, along with a couple of other items. It was out with the old...
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...and in with the new in less than five minutes. The photos took the most time.
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Bob: nice work on the plumbing. Not that it is actually leaking but I see a drop of water under the valve. Also this should remind some of us to do an annual or maybe every few months check under our sinks and faucets checking for leaks.

Happy new year
Drives, good eye. Those drops of water came from the old hose when I removed it. Your comment reminded me to put a telltale under the valve. A dry paper towel on the floor under the valve will show evidence of a leak even when it's only two or three drops per hour.
 
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Microwave and stove are working great. Put 3 quart pot of water on the "UltraHeat Power Boil" burner for some pasta and it did bring the water to a boil faster than the old stove but it's no induction burner. Air fried a few stuffed and breaded jalapeno peppers and it did a better job than the Ninja Foodi Smart XL Grill and air fryer. No more batch air frying.

Paper towel indicates the toilet supply line is leak-free.

Just when I thought I was home free, Liane made a face when she poured herself a glass of tap water (we don't buy bottled water) and said it tasted off. Regular visitors to the Emporium might remember I went almost 8 years before I changed the original whole house water filter cartridge: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/bob-heines-auto-emporium.319566/page-264#post-11037457

It has been almost a year since I pulled that yucky cartridge out of the housing.
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I shut the two gate valves on the water lines coming into the house and opened the hose spigot next to the main gate valves. Went to the cabinet above the filter, expecting to find the new cartridge I could swear I bought last year. Walked around the garage feeling confused for ten minutes before I returned to the cabinet to find the new filter cartridge box hiding behind two Zep Power House spray cleaner aerosol cans.

The filter wrench sits on top of the filter so I had the old cartridge out and the new one installed in less than five minutes. It appears I need to schedule filter replacement for six months because this one doesn't look a whole lot better than the 8-year-old one. At least the housing didn't need to be cleaned with CLR this time.
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Spent another ten minutes ordering a new filter (activated charcoal this time) and printing a label to remind me of the date I changed the cartridge.
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Spent another ten minutes ordering a new filter (activated charcoal this time) and printing a label to remind me of the date I changed the cartridge.
Let me recommend that you buy a bulk pack. I've been bit in the *** by the manufacturer that changed the design or went belly up, leaving me standing there with nothing to do but buy the whole new deal, and go through the rigamarole of replumbing the mess.
 
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