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rktinc

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So wonderful. Congrats! They are worth every bit of expense and torment to get them here. I have raised a boy and a girl. Well, I delegated most of it to my wife, but everything thing seems to have turned out great with both in college now. Cuts into the toy fund a bit but well worth it. Enjoy them!
 

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Jake, congratulations on your daughter Margot and enjoy every minute. We had a girl first and then a son. One day you're posing for a four generation picture with your grandfather, father and son.
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Next thing you know you are the great grandfather posing with your son, grandson and great grandson.
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Somewhere along the line those two children had 9 children of their own and some of those children have had six more. If you're lucky, you'll be the old man shambling into the family photo before the 10-second timer takes the photo.
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Congrats on the new baby girl!

On another note, several pages ago, when you made your own LED lights, I had thought there might be a similar way I could construct a set like that for my own garage. May I ask what you used for a lens or cover for the LEDs? . They came out well. I hope mine look as nice.
 
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jake28

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Congrats on the new baby girl!

On another note, several pages ago, when you made your own LED lights, I had thought there might be a similar way I could construct a set like that for my own garage. May I ask what you used for a lens or cover for the LEDs? . They came out well. I hope mine look as nice.

This channel comes with a slightly opaque plastic cover/diffuser. It’s what I used. There’s also a version that is angled channel that works beautifully if recessed for things like undercabinet lighting.

https://www.lumens.com/deep-aluminum-tape-light-channel-by-wac-lighting-WAC513465.html

With this LED tape
https://www.lumens.com/invisiled-pro-3-tape-by-wac-lighting-WACY1454997117.html

And this transformer
https://www.lumens.com/class-2-electronic-transformer-by-wac-lighting-WAC519835.html
 
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jake28

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@loganb @Nolift911 thank you for the good wishes and everybody else following along.

To the surprise of nobody who has been through this before, the needs of little people consumed my aspirations, free time, and projects. In spite of an exceedingly accommodating wife and a very patient dog, the progeny demand basic things like food, sleep, and emotional support, apparently.

Here and there I’ve gotten to fiddle in the shop and well beyond. As a taste, I bring you fire.

I’ve always wanted a wood-fired stove in my wood shop. It’s always seemed natural, appropriate, efficient, and effective. Hell, even of historical significance.

For reasons that are hard to discern, a hole appeared in the roof. The obvious solution seem to be a chimney with a little hat on top. And a lot of sealant. Now nearby sticks and project off cuts go up in smoke and all I can do is smile.

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jake28

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That's a very nice looking stove, what make and model is it?

Is the wood stove your only source of heat for the shop?
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The stove is an older model from Rais called the Atlas, made in Denmark. It combines some features not readily available in a single unit from their current line: free standing, wood burning, and clad in soap stone. I think this model is as close they currently offer to the stove that I have.

It was an impulsive Facebook marketplace purchase. A general contractor had pulled it from a remodel and then it sat in his garage for a couple of years. It was unused.

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And blessedly, it it more for aesthetic and ambiance than primary source of heat. There is radiant heat in the slab and a dedicated small electric boiler.

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When we were building I found a Jotul woodburning stove on a close out that looked similar to yours. I tried to convince my wife how good it would look in our living room but she was terrified our small kids would get burned by it. It got vetoed and we have a gas unit that does ok but nowhere near the satisfaction a wood stove gives me.
 

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They’d only get burned once! Back in the late 80’s a friend had a room added on to his home and put in a woodstove for heat. Room got finished in the springtime, not cold enough for a fire. His cat decided that that woodstove was the perfect spot to lay in the sun and nap.
He said the first fire he did in that stove was going great, getting nice and hot…. when Zoro the Cat comes waltzing into the room and before he could stop him, up on the stove he jumps! He said it took a second for Kitty to understand that this was not the place to be and he started doing a tap dance trying to get his feet off the fire but also get enough traction to get off the stove! For about a week he walked gingerly around the house. Zoro never went within 3 feet of that stove ever again! They really do only get burned once!
 

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They’d only get burned once! Back in the late 80’s a friend had a room added on to his home and put in a woodstove for heat. Room got finished in the springtime, not cold enough for a fire. His cat decided that that woodstove was the perfect spot to lay in the sun and nap.
He said the first fire he did in that stove was going great, getting nice and hot…. when Zoro the Cat comes waltzing into the room and before he could stop him, up on the stove he jumps! He said it took a second for Kitty to understand that this was not the place to be and he started doing a tap dance trying to get his feet off the fire but also get enough traction to get off the stove! For about a week he walked gingerly around the house. Zoro never went within 3 feet of that stove ever again! They really do only get burned once!
That was me as a little kid - watched my dad load the wood stove multiple times, so I figured I'd be helpful when he brought a few logs in one time. Hooked my finger under the tab to lift the lid...only took about 0.5 seconds for the nerves in my finger to tell my brain what was happening. A few minutes with my finger running under cold water and then some fresh aloe from mom's plant eased the pain, and whaddya know, I never did it again! And no (physical) scars to show for it, either! (y)
 
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jake28

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A new year, and projects abound

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Toddlers, tamales, and tools to usher in the new year.

I’m overdue for an eloquent and poetic early 2026 update.

Christmas was blessedly convenient in that the furthest I traveled was to the end of the driveway to plow the first real storm to hit the Sierras this year. Between Christmas and new years I went and saw my parents, displayed their grandchildren, and returned home with a ~600lb Mill that I acquired in 2018 and has done nothing except oxidize since. When I started this thread I could fill up a car with rusty **** and bicycles without a care for other people or their needs. A hastily-purchased Kennedy tool chest on the passenger seat, secured by little more than a stern glare, was not implausible. Now I find myself wedging a nominally working 70-year-old tool between collapsible cribs, toddler bikes, crates of organic blue berries, a couple of used diapers, and the sundry needs of a family of four and a 70-lb dog. Visions of the mill coming through the back windshield in a crash motivated me to use more straps than are needed in a military cargo plane, and I even had a vague plan for unloading the mill. All in all I think I’m better for the evolution.

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Over a cup of coffee on New Year’s Day I started jotting down project ideas and chores on loose-leaf legal paper with my favorite writing implement: a black sharpie. Cars to fix, cars to sell, motorcycles to rebuild, furniture to start, finish, and re-finish, a loft ladder in the shop to replace the extension ladder, a new bathroom to build, a day-bed, a ton of trees to cut, a few to mill, and a bevy of other chores large and small filled up two pages. Each project has a checkbox next to it. As the tell-tale grumbling of a toddler started to emanate from upstairs, I sat back satisfied with my planning, clarity, and reinvigorated organization. I was a new man, a better man, in the new year.

Then I realized that the sharpie had bled through the cheap paper and left a dappled series of brail dots across a prominent section of my cherry-topped kitchen island. I cursed and then added “Sanding and refinishing the island” to the list. I’ll get to it, eventually.

Thanks all for following along and wishing you a happy and productive 2026.
 
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jake28

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Resolutions and remodels

I’ve allowed many ideas to percolate with varying degrees of conviction that together amount to some garage-borne New Year’s resolutions.

1. Good enough is better than Perfect.
Ira Glass has an excellent piece on the gap between taste and talent that I think of often. In essence, I’ve been fortunate enough to see and work in some world-class shops, with class-leading artisans and professional makers. I know what great looks like. And I excel at coming up with reasons and distractions to avoid starting a project.

I find that an onslaught of YouTube videos, internet scrolling under the guise of research, and even posts on our merry forum stunt my motivation and willingness to just make. “there might be a better way”, “I can find a more efficient method” and “if only I had a CNC” are among the bevy of thoughts that often hit me and I’ll get lost in the garage equivalent of analysis-paralysis.

So, I resolve to test more, more quickly, and learn from practice rather than conjecture.

All of this is a long-winded way of saying that I built a ****** shelf.

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I won’t bore you with the before, but you can very well picture it: **** was on the floor. And the whole goal was to have less **** on the floor. And hold the **** off the floor for a reasonable amount of time such that it won’t crush toes, puppies, or toddlers.

There was no measuring. I stuck a tall festool sustainer box on the slab, added a random offcut of 3/4” plywood as a spacer and said “that’ll do piggy.” Height established. 2x4s cut. 2.5” GRKs to attach them, and two chunks of mis-matched plywood thrown on top like a club sandwich. No nightmares of Gridfinity or Euro-standard 32mm cabinet systems. No obsessing over the edge treatment of the plywood. No concerns of joinery quality. Just a shelf.

And then, dust collection. The collective energy and documentation that has gone into improving the dust collection of miter saws, at least per YouTube propaganda, could probably have cured cancer thrice over had it been better-directed.

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I’ve had the Kapex for a couple of years. It’s nice. It’s not $1200-nice, and it’s not a tool I recommend to folks when a Makita or Bosch with a nice blade will as good a job at half the price. Among my gripes are the mediocre-at-best dust collection. The vacuum port needs to be substantially lower down and closer to the blade. So I wanted something better than stock.

I went down a rabbit hole of 3d printing ports, which would have required some CAD, and then I told myself I should lear. Fusion over the Rhino in which I’m pretty conversant, and then all of a sudden I was watching tutorials instead of sucking sawdust which was the whole damn point anyway.

So in the spirit of Good > Perfect, I present to you the results of 2 cuts with a razor blade and 14” of 1/2” vinyl tubing.

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I jammed one end of the tubing into vacuum port, one end into a small incision in the rubber hood by the blade, and while not empirically measured, there is less than half the excess saw dust on the workbench. I’m not proud, but I am happy.

It’s not perfect, it’s not pretty, but it’s a step.

Fear less, build more.
 

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Happy New Year! Great picture!
I too suffer from a failure to start projects for fear of doing it wrong, badly or not knowing the absolute best way to do it.
I've gotten a little better at "just build something" but i have to admit those projects dont show up on this forum 😀
Can't wait to see your future projects.

Off topic, I skied sugar bowl yesterday..felt like spring skiing in Jan. Hopefully more storms are on the way
 
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gba2331

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It’s not perfect, it’s not pretty, but it’s a step.
You built a prototype that proved the concept works. Whether you make a better solution is up to you, but I wouldn’t call it a hack-job.

i see this all the time in our HS First Robotics club. The kids design the "perfect" solution in CAD and soon learn that it doesn’t work as expected. It takes a lot of patience to change their attitude towards making cheap prototypes that confirm that the approach is correct (or not). Sometimes the easy availability of CAD is a detriment to design.
 

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Happy New Year, Jake!

I can relate to the 'analysis paralysis', garage-related or otherwise. I'm sure a lot of us can.

The Ira Glass quote is good and I have seen it before, but I think for those of us with young kids there is an extra component — time. So maybe it's more of a bell curve 🤣 . You work really hard, practice, close the gap... and then you have a toddler and a baby and suddenly everything is more difficult and 'perfect' when it comes to projects just isn't as important anymore compared to everything else, even though you're still a perfectionist at heart. That's been my journey, anyways.

It's a tough lesson to learn, though, so good for you for getting out there and making a shelf. (Which actually looks perfectly nice and at home in the space if you ask me!).

Glad to see you're doing well and the shop and wood stove are looking very nice and cozy.

🍻
 

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This all strikes me as similar to learning (and then putting into action!) the difference between knowledge and wisdom. To mis-paraphrase, "Knowledge is knowing how to do, wisdom is knowing why to do (or not do, as the case may be)."

Your new bench is a great example - sure, you could have built a Rubio-inspired masterpiece, or welded something up that could survive a broadside, but when you just need some flat surfaces to hold stuff... you just built the thing, man! If it needs to change in the future, you can change it. And any lessons learned are hopefully incorporated into the next one. But now the bench is built, and you can move on to the next project. Which may just be playing with the kiddos, running around with the dog, or spending some quality time with your wife. Or all three! :beer:
 
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Miter station rebuild

The quick hit of pine sawdust while building my shelf last week spurred me back into action. I decided to rebuild the entire miter station and workbench.

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The original miter station was the ******* child of convenience and necessity while I was finishing the shop last year. I wanted a work surface, quickly so I used available materials knowing I’d eventually rebuild it. The legs were 2x4s supporting a couple 16’ 2x4s running horizontally, with 1/2” plywood on top. There wasn’t anything intrinsically wrong with the materials or design, until I turned on the heat. The wet fir 2x4s started to twist and shrink which resulted in about a 3/8” cup in the middle of the bench. This presented an issue because an 8’ long piece of lumber wouldn’t sit flat on the bench and square to the saw, and I was tired of the pucker-inducing kickback from wood pinching the spinning blade.

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The requirements:
  • Flat: The bench needed to be flat enough to accommodate dimensional lumber and hardwood in regular lengths.
  • Adjustable: I wanted the ability to fine-tune the height of the top.
  • Thick: I wanted a thicker and more rigid top to beat on and clamp to.
  • ****: The new bench had to look good. Or at least intentional.
The materials:

Three major changes with this version.
  • I got 20’ long LVLs as the horizontal support beams. They’re industrial, flat, and dimensionally stable.
  • 3/4” birch plywood for the top. Needlessly nice, but stable and the price difference between birch ply and MDF was less than a dinner out, and wiill leave me satisfied for much longer.
  • I used 4x4s for the legs, partially for rigidity, but mostly for looks. I like the visual hierarchy of the square 4x4s, interrupting the horizontal LVLs, and capped with the plywood.
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The nots:

I avoided the rabbit hole “ultimate miter station” build videos and associated ideation. I didn’t prioritize things like integrated storage or dog holes for clamping, and didn’t want to spend more of day on construction.

I considered building base cabinets the way I did in my last shop and running butcher blocks across the tops, but it required more material and time than I was willing to devote to this project. I’m not feeling like I need more storage space at the moment, and I’m still fine-tuning the layout and tool collection. There’s plenty of stuff that I don’t find myself using or needing.

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Interlude: getting sharper

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I found an older generation Tormek grinding system at an estate sale over the weekend. Somehow it was the only woodworking tool in a home otherwise full of duck decoys and yellowing copies of Time magazine and garish furniture. In the original box, with all the gizmos. Apparently used once. I trued up the wheel and read the instructions and poured myself a whiskey and made a fire. A happy hour or so after kids were in bed.

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And while the Tormek was humming I printed a cable spool and organizer for the baby festool vac. Only festool can get away not including something so basic on an entry level model. It’s like a car with no cup holder. Thank you 3D printing community.

And, in anticipation of a couple feet of snow arriving this week, I put tracks on the RZR to the first time. Thoroughly looking forward to trying them out.

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And for nothing more than entertainment, the 2.5 year old and I are equally infatuated with the tree thinning operation occurring across the road from us.

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We’ve become fast friends with the machine operators.
 
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Any Mini Cooper Rally car updates?? You cursed me with that image since the first time you posted it. Love you shop build, thank you for sharing.

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Nothing of consequence. I hoon it periodically and every time my 2 year old gets in it he asks “daddy are we getting donuts?” Then I yank the e brake.

There are only two major steps I need to take: one is to fab and mount a bumper bar for lights, and then build a roof rack. This generation mini had an OEM roof rack that bolted through the roof, rather than to the drip rails, and I just haven’t mustered up the courage to pop holes in the roof.

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I found these old-style roof rack mounts and love them, and have been mulling over making my own set in 3d printed steel (or titanium). Have a fab shop in china ready to print, just haven’t made the time to model and test at home.

If anyone wants to show up and model and fab this week when it’s supposed to snow 7 feet, you’re cordially welcome. Whiskey stash and firewood rack are both well stocked.

And then I remember the 911 is sitting in SF, dripping oil, and rather than make my own barn find, I should just slap some studded tires on it and roll.
 

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I had a buddy that back in the 90’s bought a totally rusted out 911, so rusty think Fred Flintstone! But it ran and drove perfectly. I tried hard to convince him to Baja Bug it but he ended up parting it out and scrapping the body. It would have been so cool to show up at a PCA event and watch them freak out over our sacrilege!
 
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jake28

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Snow

Hello from a snowbank.

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For folks and followers who have glanced at the news, you might’ve seen headlines about the deaths of nine people in an avalanche near Truckee this week. It’s a small town, and nearly everyone is only a degree removed from the tragedy. One of the local ski mountains recorded 97 inches in the last 48 hours. I have 47” on my porch. Hearts are heavy, traffic is heavy, the snow is heavy.

I went to Palisades yesterday after dropping the kid off at school. Even with full avalanche gear and an airbag, I wasn’t confident in the conditions. Half of the people who made it to the mountains are locals frothing at the mouth for powder and steep runs. One aggressive turn is enough to release the hill. The other half are tourists enjoying ski week vacation who have no business deal dealing with that much snow. In the space of three runs I witnessed a small avalanche, did a beacon search alongside ski patrol, and dug a 12-year-old out of a tree well he had fallen into head first. He was lucky.

I left after only 90 minutes, spooked, humbled, and sad. After nearly a half dozen trips in many countries, and skiing out of snow cats and helicopters, fear and perspective have caught up with me. A couple good turns aren’t worth dying for.

I found other ways to get my kicks and a small dose of adrenaline, and share the experience with loved ones.

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Be safe, be well, and give those people who are close to you a big hug.
 

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The snow out there is nuts right now, I dont blame you at all for playing it safe.

My wife and I are leaving for Crested Butte tomorrow and in all honesty, I am thankful they aren't getting snow like that.
 
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