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I have the same bit set except it says Case IH on the box and ratchet. Looked handy when I was at a dealer picking up combine parts
Battle of the Bit Ratchets
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four.cycle
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wow. well.. thank you.
Excellent.
ICON passes that test.
Wonder if that "Project Farm" guy thought about this one?
I will have to take a closer look at the Facom and USAG sets.
I think there's a huge amount of room for improvement, and I see efforts made in that direction every day - watch for my next photo entry in this thread.
As to "at what cost?" I'm not so sure that's really even an issue if a manufacturer can really get dialed in on the "perfect bit kit".
To wit:
I purchased one of those "Tekton Small Engine Kits" when they were first introduced as a limited run of 50 units. For $100.
Immediately turned around, put it on ebay for $150, and somebody bought it in less than a week.
Granted, ebay buyers (taken as a whole) are a screwy lot, but even so, it remains clear people are willing to shell out money for something which fulfills a need.
The current iteration of Tekton's "Small Engine KIt" is right about $100. Not sure what sort of volume they're moving, but they're offering the kit in four different versions.
And that "Wera" kit is almost twice as much!
There are still Craftsman v-series kits around in 1/4 and 3/8 that can go for $60-70 which is substantially lower then the Facom/USAG price. The ratchets are different. All of those Stanley brand cases are the same, and they accommodate many ratchet brands and designs nicely.
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four.cycle
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Latest entry into the fray:
"Utoku" 1/4" square drive and 1/4" hex bit mini swivel-head reversible 72-tooth ratchet (manufactured in Taiwan)
Currently available on Amazon.com for as low as $9.00 in a variety of colors (that's less than I paid for this one!)
Note the handy-dandy hole in the handle so you can hang it from your keychain. Just what you always wanted. Not sure how practical this is, but it is yet another tool that you don't own yet, right?
"Utoku" 1/4" square drive and 1/4" hex bit mini swivel-head reversible 72-tooth ratchet (manufactured in Taiwan)
Currently available on Amazon.com for as low as $9.00 in a variety of colors (that's less than I paid for this one!)
Note the handy-dandy hole in the handle so you can hang it from your keychain. Just what you always wanted. Not sure how practical this is, but it is yet another tool that you don't own yet, right?
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Here you go-
Craftsman SAE set $40 on eBay from the SBD shop "One Stop Tool Shop"
CMMT455750V
Metric $79 on eBay
CMMT455751V
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Craftsman SAE set $40 on eBay from the SBD shop "One Stop Tool Shop"
CMMT455750V
Metric $79 on eBay
CMMT455751V
four.cycle
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ouch! $80 price point? that better be one damn fine ratchet.
for another $10 bucks you can have both metric and SAE and two ratchets. (but no spinner handle)
for another $10 bucks you can have both metric and SAE and two ratchets. (but no spinner handle)
four.cycle
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No... I've been watching it.
I'm not sold on any of the Craftsman "V" stuff myself - the anecdotal comments about the ratchets indicate there is much room for improvement.
Thus far, the Tekton stuff holds it own, and all of the Tekton ratchets I've owned/used/given away have been fabulous.
(And my buddy is WAY pickier than I am when it comes to tools - the Tekton set is now his "go to" box - as opposed to his old Snap-on 1/4" drive set.)
This is his set drying out on my living room floor after he installed some widget on my Ranger out in the rain (below).
The Tekton "small engine kit" (below) will be going with me on Thursday when I board a plane to go pick up a vehicle a bit south of here.
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I like those Tekton sets. I may even buy one someday. They seem to be a really handy kit.
I'm collecting the V series stuff mostly because it is discontinued, but also because I like it alot. Maybe the ratchets aren't "the best" but neither was the old Craftsman stuff I've been wrenching with for a few decades now.
I'm collecting the V series stuff mostly because it is discontinued, but also because I like it alot. Maybe the ratchets aren't "the best" but neither was the old Craftsman stuff I've been wrenching with for a few decades now.
I just came back from Germany and brought this little guy back with me. Yes you can order it online here in the US, but I'll avoid helping any billionaires if I can. 120Nm is insane. The blue tpu eject disk feels durable. The selector switch is in fact metal. 
Draftpick1
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How's the wobble in this?I just came back from Germany and brought this little guy back with me. Yes you can order it online here in the US, but I'll avoid helping any billionaires if I can. 120Nm is insane. The blue tpu eject disk feels durable. The selector switch is in fact metal.
There is minimal wobble. When compared to a Icon bit ratchet, way less wobble.
tez929rr
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FWIW a couple of years ago I was at an airport in Germany and looked at a Hazet bit set on Amazon that I had purchased. Amazon automatically logged me into their German site and the prices were much cheaper - like 40 percent cheaper. I posted a thread about it at the time and apparently if you can work out the shipping it’s a way to save some $$$.
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Or you can go to a German supply shop, like I did, and pay the same price as online. Buy local. Not getting political, but I'm not contributing to anyone's yacht fund.
Beerhippie
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And how many yachts does the CEO of an airline company own?
tez929rr
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Yes, I always make international trips to purchase hand tools, like everyone on garage journal.
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Beerhippie
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Sure. Think your company can send me next time? I have no idea what you do, but I'm sure I can pick it up on the fly.
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Awesome! This version seems to be better than the one I have with out the blue tab, mine has a good bit a wobble
four.cycle
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Another member was asking (in another thread) about that cute little Utoku 1/4" mini bit ratchet I bought back in January for $10 bucks.
They're no longer available at that price - they're $20 bucks minimum now through a company called "ABD". I am not finding them on Amazon.com
What I DID just find on Amazon.com is yet another entry into the "mini bit ratchet" fray:
"First Info" 1/4" mini bit ratchet $13.90
and
NO NAME cheapest bit ratchet I've found - this one comes with 16 bits - $7.97
Looks very similar to the "Ultra Steel" model I picked up a few months ago, although the "Ultra Steel" claims to have a 36-tooth mechanism, while this one claims only 24.
The trade-off is that this unit does NOT have the 1/4" square drive anvil sticking out of the other side, allowing one greater access in tight quarters.
The "Ultra Steel" is a cheapie for when the occasion calls for it. My buddy actually kind of likes it for its "dual purpose" feature.
They're no longer available at that price - they're $20 bucks minimum now through a company called "ABD". I am not finding them on Amazon.com
What I DID just find on Amazon.com is yet another entry into the "mini bit ratchet" fray:
"First Info" 1/4" mini bit ratchet $13.90
and
NO NAME cheapest bit ratchet I've found - this one comes with 16 bits - $7.97
Looks very similar to the "Ultra Steel" model I picked up a few months ago, although the "Ultra Steel" claims to have a 36-tooth mechanism, while this one claims only 24.
The trade-off is that this unit does NOT have the 1/4" square drive anvil sticking out of the other side, allowing one greater access in tight quarters.
The "Ultra Steel" is a cheapie for when the occasion calls for it. My buddy actually kind of likes it for its "dual purpose" feature.
wafrederick
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I love my VIM bit ratchets, one is locking flex head which works well getting to the T10 screw holding the TPMS sensors without removing the tire after breaking the bead loose replacing the TPMS sensor. This is the one in FRBS89 set, set and lock it in at the right angle
Throwing the gauntlet down in the battle of the bit ratchets with this monstrosity. It's a 7/16" flex head ratchet I took a grinder to make thinner to serve as a long reach ratchet for my set of low profile 1/4" Snap On sockets. This is something like a $150+ wrench that I got to keep for free under warranty as the 1/2" flex end was messed up but might be able to sort of fix otherwise this is such a setup in need of a problem to solve and not something I would have otherwise done. I just need to pickup a set of low profile bits to match this setup. More than likely I will find some Chapman bits and cut them to size since such bits have the ball detent for extra security.
The ratchet that comes with the 1/4" Snap On low profile socket sets
The ratchet that comes with the 1/4" Snap On low profile socket sets
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Ohio Andy
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Time for an update based on new things I have or items I did not mention previously..... I will split this into two because the post is too long.
I reviewed many items in this post of this thread:
www.garagejournal.com
Many ratchets and drivers are discussed both before and after my post. I decided to add a few more, some of which are also mentioned by others. Some of these I am looking at because others had recommended them to me.
Tested Bits
As part of my testing, I chose bits from a few different manufacturers to test how they performed in these new to me bit ratchets. I noticed that some “drivers” do not work well with power drive (PD) bits. Some “drivers” do not work well with stubby bits because the bits sit to deep and are either not usable or are really difficult to remove because the retention is so high. The initial bits I wanted to test include:
Although I wanted to compare torque, the only two companies that directly list torque are Chapman and Wadsworth. Snap-On mentions ASME/ANSI B107.10 (now known as ASME B107.110), but I did not spend time searching through this to see how close they came to spec. What I can say is that the Minimum proof torque for 1/4" breaker bar is 400 inch pounds (see Table 1 here: https://www.scribd.com/document/791955765/ASME-B107-10-2005). On a ratchet, if I am reading the table correctly, it is 90 inch pounds. I only mention this because I do mention the Wadsworth “ratchet”.
Some bits do not meet the ISO 1173:2001 standard (I mean you Snap-On).
Turns out that Snap-On stubby bits do not work in my TRO Designs bit holder so I tested more. So what other bits do not work in the bit holder:
From Form C (bits, “Male” dimensions) and D (bit holder, “Female” dimensions) on pages 7 and 8. From my perspective, the points of interest are:
1/4" Male Hexagon distance between Flats is 6.35 <= s1 <= 6.29 and
1/4" Male Hexagon distance between diagonals is 7.18 <= e1 <= 7.11
They show similar values for the female side.
The bits that do not fit are too large to be in spec for the ISO standard based on the diagonal measurements (greater than 7.18mm); for example:
I show an approximate cost, but cost is tricky because many items are available in numerous forms; for example, VIM VHC77 and Snap-On 145RTMLE.
VIM VHC77 is a 77 piece set with short bits, extensions, and a ratcheting bit wrench (HBR5) for $120, but I can buy just the ratchet for under $25 on Amazon (see https://www.amazon.com/Vim-Products-HBR5-ToolsHBR5-Ratchet/dp/B003TSMQWU?tag=atomicindus08-20). As previously mentioned (https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/battle-of-the-bit-ratchets.462143/post-11325308) I really like the bit-ratchet, but consider the set worth it for the low-profile bits. I heard that VHC77 is a top seller for VIM loved be people who work under dashboards and other jobs where a low profile set is desired. Just buy this set.
The 145RTMLE is a full set for $810 (see https://shop.snapon.com/product/sup...tchet/Flank-Drive®-Socket-Master-Set/145RTMLE). If you do not need or want the entire set, the “ratchet” (Internal Hex RAT72A) is $67.65, the bit holder (RTMBS8) is $27.25, and the 17 stubby bits (SDMS17) is $100. You can buy the ratchet and bit holder for under $100. Add the stubby bits if you want slightly over-sized bits for a snugger fit in most holders, or just buy the VIM VHC77 set for $120 and get more bits. Note that a very few of the VIM bits are 5/16" insert bits so they will not work in a 1/4" adapter; not that the Snap-On set includes those bits.
Identifying the user and use case
Some sets make no sense except for a specific user with a specific use case. I had not consider this in my original evaluations, so, when possible, I mention this.
Assume
My tests are very subjective. This is my personal preference and we may disagree, which is why I try to state what I like and dislike and maybe that will help you make a decision. What feels great in my hand may be a big problem for you and what I dislike may be your personal preference.
Assume all bits work and hold well unless I specifically state a problem; this will save space and writing.
See my next post for the details.
I reviewed many items in this post of this thread:
Battle of the Bit Ratchets
Here's my Titan. I also have the 1/4" square drive. Promise if I hold one I treat it like a fidget spinner.... That said, I purchased many of those given away you a few
www.garagejournal.com
Many ratchets and drivers are discussed both before and after my post. I decided to add a few more, some of which are also mentioned by others. Some of these I am looking at because others had recommended them to me.
Tested Bits
As part of my testing, I chose bits from a few different manufacturers to test how they performed in these new to me bit ratchets. I noticed that some “drivers” do not work well with power drive (PD) bits. Some “drivers” do not work well with stubby bits because the bits sit to deep and are either not usable or are really difficult to remove because the retention is so high. The initial bits I wanted to test include:
- VIM stubby bits because they are my smallest stubby bits; 16mm long.
- Snap-On Stubby bits; 17.5mm long.
- Zephyr insert bits because they are some of my most used.
- PB Swiss insert and PD bits because they are some of my most used.
- Dewalt 12" PD extension because this often has issues with stability in loose bit holders.
- Apex, felo, and a few others I had just sitting around.
Although I wanted to compare torque, the only two companies that directly list torque are Chapman and Wadsworth. Snap-On mentions ASME/ANSI B107.10 (now known as ASME B107.110), but I did not spend time searching through this to see how close they came to spec. What I can say is that the Minimum proof torque for 1/4" breaker bar is 400 inch pounds (see Table 1 here: https://www.scribd.com/document/791955765/ASME-B107-10-2005). On a ratchet, if I am reading the table correctly, it is 90 inch pounds. I only mention this because I do mention the Wadsworth “ratchet”.
Some bits do not meet the ISO 1173:2001 standard (I mean you Snap-On).
Turns out that Snap-On stubby bits do not work in my TRO Designs bit holder so I tested more. So what other bits do not work in the bit holder:
- Normal and Stubby Snap-On bits; Snap-On wobble bits work just fine (did you know that Snap-On has wobble bits)?
- Huge PB Swiss insert bits (PH4 and SL 1.6x10).
From Form C (bits, “Male” dimensions) and D (bit holder, “Female” dimensions) on pages 7 and 8. From my perspective, the points of interest are:
1/4" Male Hexagon distance between Flats is 6.35 <= s1 <= 6.29 and
1/4" Male Hexagon distance between diagonals is 7.18 <= e1 <= 7.11
They show similar values for the female side.
The bits that do not fit are too large to be in spec for the ISO standard based on the diagonal measurements (greater than 7.18mm); for example:
- PB Swiss SL 1.6x10 failed with e1 having values between 7.23 and 7.25.
- PB Swiss PH4 failed with e1 having values between 7.24 and 7.26.
- I tested three Snap-On stubby bits and e1 was greater or equal to 7.2 on all with flats near or over 6.35 (maximum allowed).
- I measured five Snap-On 1" insert bits and those were all over ISO value.
- All other tested PB Swiss bits passed. I only tested one sample and did not test other examples of the same size and type.
- All Zephyr bits passed with values near the top end so they uniformly have a nice snug fit.
- Snap-On Wobble bits passed but I only tested them in the “tight” bit holder.
- All my random bits such as Dewalt, Wera, Felo, and VIM bits fit fine.
I show an approximate cost, but cost is tricky because many items are available in numerous forms; for example, VIM VHC77 and Snap-On 145RTMLE.
VIM VHC77 is a 77 piece set with short bits, extensions, and a ratcheting bit wrench (HBR5) for $120, but I can buy just the ratchet for under $25 on Amazon (see https://www.amazon.com/Vim-Products-HBR5-ToolsHBR5-Ratchet/dp/B003TSMQWU?tag=atomicindus08-20). As previously mentioned (https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/battle-of-the-bit-ratchets.462143/post-11325308) I really like the bit-ratchet, but consider the set worth it for the low-profile bits. I heard that VHC77 is a top seller for VIM loved be people who work under dashboards and other jobs where a low profile set is desired. Just buy this set.
The 145RTMLE is a full set for $810 (see https://shop.snapon.com/product/sup...tchet/Flank-Drive®-Socket-Master-Set/145RTMLE). If you do not need or want the entire set, the “ratchet” (Internal Hex RAT72A) is $67.65, the bit holder (RTMBS8) is $27.25, and the 17 stubby bits (SDMS17) is $100. You can buy the ratchet and bit holder for under $100. Add the stubby bits if you want slightly over-sized bits for a snugger fit in most holders, or just buy the VIM VHC77 set for $120 and get more bits. Note that a very few of the VIM bits are 5/16" insert bits so they will not work in a 1/4" adapter; not that the Snap-On set includes those bits.
Identifying the user and use case
Some sets make no sense except for a specific user with a specific use case. I had not consider this in my original evaluations, so, when possible, I mention this.
Assume
My tests are very subjective. This is my personal preference and we may disagree, which is why I try to state what I like and dislike and maybe that will help you make a decision. What feels great in my hand may be a big problem for you and what I dislike may be your personal preference.
Assume all bits work and hold well unless I specifically state a problem; this will save space and writing.
Cost | What | URL |
$166 | Snap-On TNFM72 Swivel Head Bit Ratchet. Maybe | |
$131 | Snap-On TM72 1/4" Drive Dual 80® Technology Magnetic Bit Ratchet. Buy but wish I bought the TXM72 flex head. | |
$22 | Tekton Bit Ratchet. Buy | https://www.tekton.com/1-4-inch-drive-x-3-inch-bit-ratchet-srh71003 Maybe buy in the Small Engine Kit. https://www.tekton.com/1-4-inch-dri...socket-ratchet-and-bit-set-with-case-skt07904 |
$810 / $100 | Snap-On 145RTMLE 45 pc 1/4" Drive Dual 80® Technology Low-Profile Ratchet/Flank Drive® Socket Master Set. Maybe, but as a slim socket set. | |
$90 | Klein 65302KNECT Pass-Through and Impact Socket Set, SAE and Metric, 33-Piece. Maybe, I like it. | |
$20 | Milwaukee 48-22-2950 7-in-1 Multi-Bit Mini Ratchet. Buy | |
$20 | Klein Tools 65200MAG Slim-Profile Magnetic Mini Ratchet, 90-Tooth Ratchet. Buy | |
$25 | Klein Tools 32787S Slim Micro-Ratchet ProFlex Impact Driver Bit Set. No. | |
$66 | Wera - 5346293001 1/4" Drive Bit Set and Carrying Case. Meh. | |
$10-$20 | Wera - 5052502001 889/4/1 K Rapidaptor Universal Bit Holder for 1/4" Hex Drives, BUY | https://www.amazon.com/Wera-Rapidaptor-Universal-Holder-Drives/dp/B000X1R26Q?tag=atomicindus08-20 Available in multiple lengths |
$37 | Wiha 74984 32 Piece GoBox Standard Bit Set with Mini Ratchet. Buy, Recommended, just buy it. | |
$50 | Sunex 9732 44 PC 1/4" Mini Flex Head. Buy | |
$170 | Wadsworth Super Deluxe Mini-Ratchet Tool Set. Maybe | |
$200 | Brownell’s Magna-tip Superset. Buy… but. | |
$230 - $600. | TRO Designs 1/4" Superleggera Ratchet. Buy. | |
$5 | Tekton Bit holders (1/4", 3/8", and 1/2") Buy. | |
$10 | Gedore 620 Bit Adapter. Buy if you need extra retention. |
See my next post for the details.
Ohio Andy
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And now for the detail....
Buy (Maybe). The Snap-On TNFM72 Swivel Head Bit Ratchet works well enough but has an unexpectedly high back-drag for a Dual 80 with 72-teeth; normally these are amazingly smooth.
You can tighten or loosen the tension on the swivel mechanism and even lock the head in place. The retention magnet is strong enough to hold the Dewalt 12" PD extension in place yet it is easy to remove low-profile stubby bits.
Compare this to the Titan Tools 11323 1/4-Inch Drive x 4-Inch 90-Tooth Swivel Head Micro Ratcheting Bit Driver as a good thing (See https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08V77RCD2?tag=atomicindus08-20). A few comparisons:
Buy. The Snap-On TM72 1/4" Drive Dual 80® Technology Magnetic Bit Ratchet with 72 teeth is a dream to use; I really like it. The head is smaller than the swivel head (TNFM72 above) with a shallow depth. Even though, I love this bit ratchet, I wish I had purchased the flex-head version (TXM72) instead (https://shop.snapon.com/product/Dua...Standard-Handle-Locking-Flex-Bit-Driver/TXM72). I do not own this and have not tested it, but I think a flex head would be nice. If anyone has the TXM72, I would love to hear how you like it.
Buy. Tekton SRH71003 (3") and SRH71004 (4-1/2") Bit Ratchet. I have only used the 3" version of this bit ratchet so I cannot speak to the longer one. My bit ratchet cam in the Tekton SKT07904 Small Engine Socket, Bit, and Flex Head Quick-Release Ratchet Set with Case (50-Piece) (see https://www.tekton.com/1-4-inch-dri...socket-ratchet-and-bit-set-with-case-skt07904) for $95. This full set includes shallow sockets from 5/32" – 9/16", 4mm – 15mm, a flex head ratchet, a bit ratchet, extensions, a socket bit holder, a universal joint, and bits H4, H5, H6, PH1, PH2, PH3, SL3/16, SL1/4, SL5/16, and T7-T30. My minor complain is no SAE Hex, but very minor.
My primary focus is the bit ratchet. All bits work well in this bit ratchet. I will compare this to the Snap-On TM72.
Maybe. I bought the Snap-On 145RTMLE Low-Profile Socket Master set mostly because I really like the 100TMPBFR 100 piece 1/4" socket set (which does not come with a bit adapter) and I wanted the low profile sockets that come with the 145RTMLE set. You can buy the ratchet and adapter separately (as I mentioned in the introduction), but I think the point of this set is:
I think this is mentioned in the post above this one.
Consider Snap-On vs VIM:
For really tight space or a large selection of bits, get the Vim set. If you can afford the Snap-On set, you can probably afford to have both.
Although I really like this set, I will probably use this mostly as a slim pass-through socket set as compared to the Klein 65302KNECT.
Maybe. Klein 65302KNECT Pass-Through and Impact Socket Set, SAE and Metric, 33-Piece. This is like the poor man’s Snap-On 145RTMLE (above) that includes a screwdriver handle. On first use, switching direction was difficult and it would stick. With use, the switch has loosened up and the ratcheting action is smooth.
I am able to insert the sockets int my 13mm and 1/2" 12pt Tekton ratcheting wrenches, but they are not retained and fall right out. So, usable but not really usable in my opinion. All of the included Klein socket holders contain a retaining ring that holds all the pieces very well.
A hollow screwdriver handle is included but it is very difficult to insert the sockets into the handle and even more difficult to remove them. A socket extension is included, however, that is easily inserted and removed from all retaining systems (ratchet, screwdriver type handle, and 1/4" power-drive extension) and the sockets all insert well into everything but the screwdriver type handle. So, not a problem for me.
The screwdriver handle and extension is hollow so a threaded rod can extend far into the handle during use. All of the sockets (but the 1/4" socket, which is a magnetic bit holder) also allow threaded rod to extend through them. This is the reason I purchased this set.
The small bit driver socket is too deep to work with stubby bits, but the long bit extension works fine with everything. The “ratchet” is nice and smooth with low backdrag. Included in the set:
Compared to the Snap-On above:
The Klein is not for tight spaces and that is not why I bought it. I think this works fine as a bit ratchet, but if you want a bit ratchet, buy something else. If you want a pass through socket set for a good price that works well, the Klein is nice at a good price. This works as an OK bit ratchet, but it is not the reason I would buy it.
One thing that the Klein adds is that these are impact compatible, but you will need to provide your own impact driver. So, this provides a nice smallish set for use with an impact driver.
I think that this is a nice set to purchase providing you have a use case for this in the context of a set rather than just a bit ratchet. As a side note, everything retains well in the case.
Buy. Milwaukee 48-22-2950 7-in-1 Multi-Bit Mini Ratchet that that has a 1/4" driver on one side and 5/16" on the other. The 1/4" side is deeper handling all bits well. The 5/16" side is shallow and at least one of the 5/16" bits in the VHC77 set does not work because the bottom of the bit is round before it turns into a hex. This works well but it is a slightly difficult to switch directions because the switch is small even though it moves easily. You can spin this using the open back-end. There is a 26.3mm clearance with a Snap-On stubby bit. The fit is snug so Snap-On stubby bits require some effort to remove but standard insert bits and the stubby bits included with the set are easy to remove. Included are two slotted bits, PH1, PH2, and a socket adapter. Opposite the bit side is a clip to attach to a belt loop (for example) and you can insert your finger and spin the ratchet. I like that I can bring 5 bits in the included carrier that attaches to the bit ratchet. The Milwaukee is not as smooth as the Klein 65200MAG but acceptable.
I think that this is a great companion to the Vim VHC77 since it includes both a 1/4" and a 5/16" socket, even if one of the 5/16" bits does not work with the ratchet.
Compare this to the Klein Tools 65200MAG.
Buy. Klein Tools 65200MAG Slim-Profile Magnetic 90-Tooth Mini Ratchet. There are a few versions of this, and the difference seems to be: “do the bits attach to the ratchet”. I chose a version where the bits attach to the ratchet. This is very similar to the Milwaukee 48-22-2950, but only supports 1/4" bits, including a slotted, PH2, S2, and a 1/4" socket adapter. All included bits are stubby. The included stubby bits are a bit difficult to remove from the bit carrier, but not difficult to remove from the wrench. The version where the extra bit holder does not attach has two slotted, two Phillips, and a 1/4" socket adapter. The backdrag is slightly lower than the Milwaukee and I prefer it in use (slightly). Although the reverse switch is small and out of the way, in practice I find it easy(ish) to switch; so acceptible. Depth with a bit is 23mm. You can turn bits by spinning a plastic wheel on the back of the bit head. This is a nice setup and is worth the price I think.
No. Klein Tools 32787S Slim Micro-Ratchet ProFlex Impact Driver Bit Set. This set is packaged in a nice plastic case and includes two slotted bits, PH1, PH2, T10 – T30, S1, S2, H1/8 – H1/4, a 1/4" socket adapter, and a bit extension. The back of the box lists bits for fast reference.
The case is nice and retains things well. You can turn bits by spinning a plastic wheel on the back.
Why I do not like this kit:
Meh. Wera - 5346293001 1/4" Drive Bit Set and Carrying Case. The case can attach to a belt (nice). Took me a bit to figure out how to open the bits (push up on the Wera emblem). Like the Klein 32787S, all hex bits are SAE H3/32 – H1/4, PH1, PH2, PH3, S1, S2, S3, T10 – T40, TX10 – TX30, and a 1/4" socket adapter. I was able to use all the bits except for the stubby bits, which surprised me because the included bits do not have the corner detents. The power drive extension accepts the stubby bits, but is too deep for them to be usable; so no stubby bit use here. This is easier to switch than the Klein Tools 32787S. Although I like the case, I am not a fan of this bit ratchet and wish it included Metric hex bits.
I believe that the ratchet is the 8001. The bit extension is very nice, maybe even one of the nicest I have seen. You pull the collar forward to release bits and allow a new bit to be inserted, inserting a bit also pushes the collar down, which then locks the bit in place. This is a very nice adapter (889/4/1 K Rapidaptor Universal Bit Holder) and I recommend that you buy one. I will mention this next.
Why I do not like this kit:
Buy. Wera - 5052502001 889/4/1 K Rapidaptor Universal Bit Holder for 1/4" Hex Drives is a great locking bit holder that is available in multiple lengths. I own the 2" (50mm) and the 100mm version. I have two Amazon links below, but it is cheaper elsewhere.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000X1R26Q?tag=atomicindus08-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003KN3FK6?tag=atomicindus08-20
Pull the locking out to allow insert and power drive bits to be pushed in place. Inserting pushes the locking ring down, which locks the bits in place. This is not usable for stubby bits because they are too short to be used. I purchased the Wera bit holders after trying these on the bit set that I will give away.
Buy This Right NOW. Wiha 74984 32 Piece GoBox Standard Bit Set with Mini Ratchet. When compared to the Klein Tools 32787S and the Wera 5346293001, the Wiha is my favorite by a long shot with lower backdrag, easy to switch directions, a sturdy metal carrying case, and the bits are labeled on the lid making it easy to find each bit. The plastic top piece can be used to spin bits if needed.
The 32 piece set here includes the bits H1/16 – H3/16, H2 – H6, two slotted, PH0 – PH3, SQ1, SQ2, T8 – T30, a 1/4" socket adapter, and a magnetic extension. All bits worked very well on this bit ratchet, including stubby bits. For me this has the best ergonomics (total opinion). The measured depth is 22mm with a 1" insert bit. If you need a flex head or sockets, look at the Sunex 9732. My primary (silly) complaints about this Wiha set is that it does not have a flex head ratchet and it does not include a T6, which I use often on pocket knives. That said, just buy this.
Wiha has numerous other similar sets with different focus. As one example (of something that I do not own and have not tested), consider the Wiha 75965 65 Piece System 4 ESD Safe Master Technician Ratchet and MicroBits Set (see https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JQ753W8?tag=atomicindus08-20). This adds many extra bits, but it focuses on the smaller sizes (ignoring some larger sizes such as PH2) and includes some sockets and has Torx Plus. Oddly, the contents label on the lid is not in the order that they are in the box, which makes it more difficult to look at the lid and then find the bit.
The metal box stays closed pretty sell and with the box closed, it retains everything well. This is one of my favorites and I think you should just buy one.
Buy. Sunex 9732 44 PC 1/4" Mini Flex Head. I really like this set and it competes nicely against the Wiha 74984. I own a couple of this set. The ratcheting action is fine and switching directions is easy. The Sunex has a stiff flex head whereas the Wiha has a fixed head. The Sunex has a bit holder on one side and a 1/4" socket driver on the other, so, flip it over and you can use a socket. This is both good and bad. Good in that it is always ready to use a socket, but you sacrifice depth in tight spaces. The Sunex extension is a locking power drive that locks insert bits and power drive bits. The locking extension is too deep for stubby bits (in my opinion), but they work fine without the extension. With that caveat, all the bits worked well in both. The extension is locking, but it does not lock into the ratchet (expected I think).
Without a 1/4" socket adapter, you cannot use sockets on the end of the bit extension; seems obvious, but I had to say it. This includes:
Bits and sockets are retained in foam that labels the bits, even if those labels are near impossible to read.
So, I love this set, especially that it contains sockets, a nice variety of bits, works great, and has a flex head. If I do not need the sockets (or if I do not want Spline sockets) and do not care about the flex head, the Wiha has a smaller profile and works great! I do not need a spare PH2 and PH3, so I could substitute a T6 for my pocket knives if I want.
The Sunex 9732 sells for about $50 on Amazon (see https://www.amazon.com/SUNEX-TOOLS-9732-RATCHET-Socket/dp/B01N4MA7MM?tag=atomicindus08-20), but if the sockets and flex head are not needed, consider the Sunex 9736 (see https://www.amazon.com/Sunex-9726-Mini-Ratchet-8-Inch/dp/B000XW4C8Q?tag=atomicindus08-20) for $37. This has bits not included in the 9732 set such as PZ bits, but then omits metric hex. The foam has more readable markings to identify the bits, but I prefer to include metric hex and sockets.
I like these enough that I have purchased a couple of sets.
Maybe. The Wadsworth Super Deluxe Mini-Ratchet Tool Set has a very specific audience of people who need a lot of torque in very tight spaces. This has a claimed usable 400-inch lbs of torque (33.33-foot pounds). The people I spoke with claim that they use these because the other stuff breaks and this does not (and it gets into tigh spaces).
The bits use flutes that fit into the ratchet, extension, screwdriver type handle, and plastic hand screws. So the flutes engage with the mechanism. This means that you can only use Wadsworth bits and extensions with the Wadsworth kit. The “ratchet” is not really a ratchet, but instead, I think that what is happening here is that the flutes on the bits and extensions, are able to spin in one direction on a single “pawl” that is in the mini ratchet; not sure I said the correctly. So when you “spin backwards” and have backdrag, you are really just spinning the “bit” backwards over the three teeth in the pawl and when you spin forward, the pawl is pulled in and it sinks into the flutes on the bit and holds the bit in place.
This works well, but the ratchet feels crude with high backdrag. Included with the kit are:
I have seen many discussions with people ranging from “way to expensive for what it is” to “this is the first thing that worked and I have used it for years with everything else breaking”. I pull this out when things are too tight for me to use an impact to break it use and I do not want to break something else. Every part is available through direct sale and unlike some of my other expensive ratchets, I can replace the ratchet for about $40 and each bit for about $4. Never broke one and it has never failed me, but I do not need it that often for things that I do. People who use it often tell me that they replace their bits every four years or so, but remember that they are using hand power and not an impact driver.
For people that need one, it seems to be something you should buy. Most of the things I use it for I might also be able to just use my Chapman stuff, but those are for sure not meant for high torque. Chapman claims it can provide 200-inch pounds of torque (see https://chapmanmfg.com/products/famous-midget-ratchet-cm-13); so half that of the Wadsworth. I have applied torque to Chapman drivers that I thought was excessive and they did not break, but I am probably just lucky.
I know more people who use Chapman than Wadsworth regularly, but those that like the Wadsworth always claim that they need the extra Torque. Users on this forum do use Wadsworth and @RAYJAY has broken Wadsworth ratchets and @larry_g has not. I have not broken one, which surprised me a bit, especially the Chapman that I was abusing because it was what I had with me; I guess it was not as tight as I thought.
I own a lot of Bit Holders for use on Ratchets. I really like the holders from Tekton; they all work well.
Buy. Tekton has Bit Holders for 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2". In my experience they all work well with all the bits. I like the Tekton ratchets and I have a full 1/4" socket set in every car I own. I gave one to a Mechanic I know who loves it and now carries it in his car. Not sure how he did not know about Tekton. This is my car set:
https://www.tekton.com/1-4-inch-drive-shallow-and-deep-6-point-socket-and-ratchet-set-skt05303
This includes shallow and deep sockets from 5/32 – 9/16", 4mm – 15mm, extensions, a bit holder, a spinner handle, and more all in a nice case. I add bits myself. My only complaint is that the ratchet is not a flex head and that caused me problems once because the handle was too long for something that I needed.
Through all of this, the bit holder works well.
Buy maybe, Gedore 620 Bit Adapter. I like this adapter and I tried it because it was mentioned here on the Garage Journal Forum. The reason to use this is that it retains bits very well, but it is more difficult to insert bits and the stubby bits require pliers to remove them. If I am not tied to using this type of ratchet, I prefer the retention on the Wera Power Drive which uses a retractable locking ring that is easier to use. This Gedore holds very tightly and I will only use it when I really need the retention, other wise I am more inclined to use the Tekton.
Maybe. Brownells Magna-tip Superset is a great set with bits and drivers made by Zephyr; one of my favorite bit manufacturers. If appearance matters and you do not want to damage a fastener, you want the best fit possible. This set targets gunsmiths, but the idea in this set carries to other areas. Chapman also makes bits specifically sized for firearms, but the Brownells is something special with slotted bits of varying thickness so that you can find the closest fit possible; for example, slotted bits with width 0.360" and 0.340" have six thicknesses: 0.07, 0.06, 0.05, 0.04, 0.035, and 0.030. There are slotted bits of widths 0.36, 0.34, 0.30, 0.27, 0.24, 0.21, 0.18, 0.15, and 0.12. The set includes SAE hex bits H1/16 – H1/4, one square bit (R2), and three Phillips (PH0, PH1, and PH2).
The included drivers (by Zephyr) are nothing special, but they feel fine in my hand and work with every bit I tried. I added extra bits including split bits for clamps, larger flat bits for windage adjustment, and a couple small bits narrower than what is included in the standard set.
Although I like this set, unless you need the best fitment possible to avoid damaging the screws, you do not need this set. Before I bought this set, I would rely on Chapman firearm specific sizes or my Grace screwdrivers. With this set, I can really dial in the exact size and I am less likely to cause damage on something where looks really matter. To put things into perspective, consider Lie-Nielsen screwdrivers specifically designed for woodworking applications at about $50 each (See https://www.lie-nielsen.com/search?q=screwdr) and one of my personal favorites, the Lee Valley Plane Screwdriver to help with chip breakers (see https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/screwdrivers/drivers/60111-plane-screwdriver).
Buy. TRO Designs 1/4" Superleggera Ratchet. I will concede that this is just a ratchet, but, it is one of my favorites to use with bits because the backdrag is the lowest of any ratchet I have ever used. This is a favorite for everyone who uses it. This is quick release (QR) and some people dislike QR.
The backdrag is low, the action is smooth, are very light and these have held up very well to rough use not showing scratches and wear. These are ideal when weight matters, such as a bicycle set.
I have sets with four sockets (6, 8, 10, and 12mm), an extension, and a bit adapter. Everything has very tight tolerances, including the bit adapter, which holds bits in a firm way (not sloppy). This worked with everything I threw at it except two specific PB Swiss bits (PH4 and 1.6x10 Slotted bit) and Snap-On bits; all of which measured as too large to meet the ISO standard. All other bits worked better (less slop) in this bit adapter than the other adapters. Because it is a 1/4" ratchet, you can use a different bit adapter, but I have found no reason to do so; I prefer the included bit adapter.
The included plastic case has space in the foam for eleven 1" insert bits; I have Zephyr bits in my cases. For me this is a buy (it is my favorite ratchet), but it is very expensive.
And now you know about my favorite ratchet, the TRO Design.
Buy (Maybe). The Snap-On TNFM72 Swivel Head Bit Ratchet works well enough but has an unexpectedly high back-drag for a Dual 80 with 72-teeth; normally these are amazingly smooth.
You can tighten or loosen the tension on the swivel mechanism and even lock the head in place. The retention magnet is strong enough to hold the Dewalt 12" PD extension in place yet it is easy to remove low-profile stubby bits.
Compare this to the Titan Tools 11323 1/4-Inch Drive x 4-Inch 90-Tooth Swivel Head Micro Ratcheting Bit Driver as a good thing (See https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08V77RCD2?tag=atomicindus08-20). A few comparisons:
- Similar back-drag
- Titan is smaller in every dimension, so the Snap-On handle may feel better but the Titan will get into more confined areas.
- Snap-On feels sturdier and I trust it more to handle a stuck fastener; Titan does not publish what it can handle so who knows.
- I have no idea about the torque, but the Snap-On feels beefier (no idea if it will handle more).
- Unexpectedly I find the Titan slightly easier to switch direction.
Buy. The Snap-On TM72 1/4" Drive Dual 80® Technology Magnetic Bit Ratchet with 72 teeth is a dream to use; I really like it. The head is smaller than the swivel head (TNFM72 above) with a shallow depth. Even though, I love this bit ratchet, I wish I had purchased the flex-head version (TXM72) instead (https://shop.snapon.com/product/Dua...Standard-Handle-Locking-Flex-Bit-Driver/TXM72). I do not own this and have not tested it, but I think a flex head would be nice. If anyone has the TXM72, I would love to hear how you like it.
Buy. Tekton SRH71003 (3") and SRH71004 (4-1/2") Bit Ratchet. I have only used the 3" version of this bit ratchet so I cannot speak to the longer one. My bit ratchet cam in the Tekton SKT07904 Small Engine Socket, Bit, and Flex Head Quick-Release Ratchet Set with Case (50-Piece) (see https://www.tekton.com/1-4-inch-dri...socket-ratchet-and-bit-set-with-case-skt07904) for $95. This full set includes shallow sockets from 5/32" – 9/16", 4mm – 15mm, a flex head ratchet, a bit ratchet, extensions, a socket bit holder, a universal joint, and bits H4, H5, H6, PH1, PH2, PH3, SL3/16, SL1/4, SL5/16, and T7-T30. My minor complain is no SAE Hex, but very minor.
My primary focus is the bit ratchet. All bits work well in this bit ratchet. I will compare this to the Snap-On TM72.
- The Tekton is smaller in every dimension so gets into tight spaces.
- The Tekton bit holder feels tighter but still works with all bits.
- The Tekton is slightly more difficult to change directions.
- The Snap-On is smoother with a bit less backdrag.
- I can buy five Tekton bit ratchets for the price of one Snap-On.
- I can buy a flex head version of the Snap-On for about $180, not available by Tekton.
- The Snap-On with its larger size does fill better in my hand so if size and cost does not matter, buy the Snap-On.
Maybe. I bought the Snap-On 145RTMLE Low-Profile Socket Master set mostly because I really like the 100TMPBFR 100 piece 1/4" socket set (which does not come with a bit adapter) and I wanted the low profile sockets that come with the 145RTMLE set. You can buy the ratchet and adapter separately (as I mentioned in the introduction), but I think the point of this set is:
I think this is mentioned in the post above this one.
- The ratchet is a 72 tooth dual 80 driver and is very very smooth.
- Everything is low profile (The Vim VHC77 set has a much lower profile if you only care about bits).
- Bits are easier to remove then the Vim VHC77 (the Vim can be difficult to remove the stubby bits).
- Sockets are very low profile making the Klein Knect look large.
- Sockets have a pass through (like the Knect) so a long rod can pass through.
- You can use a 1/4" ratchet on the back of all sockets except for the bit adapter.
- The “ratchet” is 12 point.
- Sockets are 11mm 6 point MALE with a retaining clip near the top.
- Although I was able to insert the included sockets into a 12 point Tekton and a Facom 11mm ratcheting wrench; it is difficult to insert. Although usable, you use the Snap-On ratchet meant for these.
- The sockets will not work in a 6 point socket or wrench, but will work with an 11mm open-ended wrench.
- The ratchet handle is shaped like a popsicle stick, so it seems like no ergonomics considered but it does work well; and the other small ratchets are not any better.
- 17 stubby bits, SL1/4" flat, PH2, H3mm-H8mm, H1/8"-H1/4", and T15-T30
- Metric sockets 5mm to 13mm
- SAE sockets 3/16" to 9/16".
- E4 to E10 sockets.
Consider Snap-On vs VIM:
Snap-On | Vim VHC77 |
Very smooth, like butter. | Smooth enough, better than most, but not better than the Snap-On. |
Longer bits. | Shorter Bits. |
17 bits | More than 70 bits. |
Easy to remove bits. | Strong retention, can be difficult to remove bits+. |
Smallish. | Much smaller than the Snap-On. |
A total guess, but my money is on Snap-On. | No idea, mindless guessing. |
Easier to switch direction. | Small selector switch |
1/4" bits only. | 1/4" and 5/16" bits |
Can use a 1/4" ratchet on the sockets, not the bits. | Has finger twist capability on the ratchet. |
Has very low clearance sockets. | Use the socket adapter but you loose the low clearance. |
For really tight space or a large selection of bits, get the Vim set. If you can afford the Snap-On set, you can probably afford to have both.
Although I really like this set, I will probably use this mostly as a slim pass-through socket set as compared to the Klein 65302KNECT.
Maybe. Klein 65302KNECT Pass-Through and Impact Socket Set, SAE and Metric, 33-Piece. This is like the poor man’s Snap-On 145RTMLE (above) that includes a screwdriver handle. On first use, switching direction was difficult and it would stick. With use, the switch has loosened up and the ratcheting action is smooth.
I am able to insert the sockets int my 13mm and 1/2" 12pt Tekton ratcheting wrenches, but they are not retained and fall right out. So, usable but not really usable in my opinion. All of the included Klein socket holders contain a retaining ring that holds all the pieces very well.
A hollow screwdriver handle is included but it is very difficult to insert the sockets into the handle and even more difficult to remove them. A socket extension is included, however, that is easily inserted and removed from all retaining systems (ratchet, screwdriver type handle, and 1/4" power-drive extension) and the sockets all insert well into everything but the screwdriver type handle. So, not a problem for me.
The screwdriver handle and extension is hollow so a threaded rod can extend far into the handle during use. All of the sockets (but the 1/4" socket, which is a magnetic bit holder) also allow threaded rod to extend through them. This is the reason I purchased this set.
The small bit driver socket is too deep to work with stubby bits, but the long bit extension works fine with everything. The “ratchet” is nice and smooth with low backdrag. Included in the set:
- Metric sockets (7mm – 14mm),
- SAE sockets (1/4 " – 9/16").,
- two slotted bits, PH1 – PH3, S1, S2, T10-T25, ECX1, and ECX2,
- 1/4" socket adapter,
- A socket extension and screwdriver like handle.
Compared to the Snap-On above:
Snap-On | Klein |
5mm, 6mm, and 3/16" sockets. | 14mm socket. |
No Extensions. | Multiple Extensions and a Screwdriver like handle. |
17 Stubby Bits | 12 not stubby bits. |
Stubby Sockets | Not stubby sockets. |
Smooth Ratchet. Very nice, makes you smile. | Smooth Ratchet. |
The Klein is not for tight spaces and that is not why I bought it. I think this works fine as a bit ratchet, but if you want a bit ratchet, buy something else. If you want a pass through socket set for a good price that works well, the Klein is nice at a good price. This works as an OK bit ratchet, but it is not the reason I would buy it.
One thing that the Klein adds is that these are impact compatible, but you will need to provide your own impact driver. So, this provides a nice smallish set for use with an impact driver.
I think that this is a nice set to purchase providing you have a use case for this in the context of a set rather than just a bit ratchet. As a side note, everything retains well in the case.
Buy. Milwaukee 48-22-2950 7-in-1 Multi-Bit Mini Ratchet that that has a 1/4" driver on one side and 5/16" on the other. The 1/4" side is deeper handling all bits well. The 5/16" side is shallow and at least one of the 5/16" bits in the VHC77 set does not work because the bottom of the bit is round before it turns into a hex. This works well but it is a slightly difficult to switch directions because the switch is small even though it moves easily. You can spin this using the open back-end. There is a 26.3mm clearance with a Snap-On stubby bit. The fit is snug so Snap-On stubby bits require some effort to remove but standard insert bits and the stubby bits included with the set are easy to remove. Included are two slotted bits, PH1, PH2, and a socket adapter. Opposite the bit side is a clip to attach to a belt loop (for example) and you can insert your finger and spin the ratchet. I like that I can bring 5 bits in the included carrier that attaches to the bit ratchet. The Milwaukee is not as smooth as the Klein 65200MAG but acceptable.
I think that this is a great companion to the Vim VHC77 since it includes both a 1/4" and a 5/16" socket, even if one of the 5/16" bits does not work with the ratchet.
Compare this to the Klein Tools 65200MAG.
Buy. Klein Tools 65200MAG Slim-Profile Magnetic 90-Tooth Mini Ratchet. There are a few versions of this, and the difference seems to be: “do the bits attach to the ratchet”. I chose a version where the bits attach to the ratchet. This is very similar to the Milwaukee 48-22-2950, but only supports 1/4" bits, including a slotted, PH2, S2, and a 1/4" socket adapter. All included bits are stubby. The included stubby bits are a bit difficult to remove from the bit carrier, but not difficult to remove from the wrench. The version where the extra bit holder does not attach has two slotted, two Phillips, and a 1/4" socket adapter. The backdrag is slightly lower than the Milwaukee and I prefer it in use (slightly). Although the reverse switch is small and out of the way, in practice I find it easy(ish) to switch; so acceptible. Depth with a bit is 23mm. You can turn bits by spinning a plastic wheel on the back of the bit head. This is a nice setup and is worth the price I think.
No. Klein Tools 32787S Slim Micro-Ratchet ProFlex Impact Driver Bit Set. This set is packaged in a nice plastic case and includes two slotted bits, PH1, PH2, T10 – T30, S1, S2, H1/8 – H1/4, a 1/4" socket adapter, and a bit extension. The back of the box lists bits for fast reference.
The case is nice and retains things well. You can turn bits by spinning a plastic wheel on the back.
Why I do not like this kit:
- Although included bits are easy to remove, stubby insert bits are very difficult to insert and require pliers to remove.
- Hex bits are SAE only, no metric.
- It is difficult to switch directions.
Meh. Wera - 5346293001 1/4" Drive Bit Set and Carrying Case. The case can attach to a belt (nice). Took me a bit to figure out how to open the bits (push up on the Wera emblem). Like the Klein 32787S, all hex bits are SAE H3/32 – H1/4, PH1, PH2, PH3, S1, S2, S3, T10 – T40, TX10 – TX30, and a 1/4" socket adapter. I was able to use all the bits except for the stubby bits, which surprised me because the included bits do not have the corner detents. The power drive extension accepts the stubby bits, but is too deep for them to be usable; so no stubby bit use here. This is easier to switch than the Klein Tools 32787S. Although I like the case, I am not a fan of this bit ratchet and wish it included Metric hex bits.
I believe that the ratchet is the 8001. The bit extension is very nice, maybe even one of the nicest I have seen. You pull the collar forward to release bits and allow a new bit to be inserted, inserting a bit also pushes the collar down, which then locks the bit in place. This is a very nice adapter (889/4/1 K Rapidaptor Universal Bit Holder) and I recommend that you buy one. I will mention this next.
Why I do not like this kit:
- Stubby insert bits are not usable. Minor complaint.
- Hex bits are SAE only, no metric.
- It is difficult to switch directions.
- Pretty high backdrag.
Buy. Wera - 5052502001 889/4/1 K Rapidaptor Universal Bit Holder for 1/4" Hex Drives is a great locking bit holder that is available in multiple lengths. I own the 2" (50mm) and the 100mm version. I have two Amazon links below, but it is cheaper elsewhere.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000X1R26Q?tag=atomicindus08-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003KN3FK6?tag=atomicindus08-20
Pull the locking out to allow insert and power drive bits to be pushed in place. Inserting pushes the locking ring down, which locks the bits in place. This is not usable for stubby bits because they are too short to be used. I purchased the Wera bit holders after trying these on the bit set that I will give away.
Buy This Right NOW. Wiha 74984 32 Piece GoBox Standard Bit Set with Mini Ratchet. When compared to the Klein Tools 32787S and the Wera 5346293001, the Wiha is my favorite by a long shot with lower backdrag, easy to switch directions, a sturdy metal carrying case, and the bits are labeled on the lid making it easy to find each bit. The plastic top piece can be used to spin bits if needed.
The 32 piece set here includes the bits H1/16 – H3/16, H2 – H6, two slotted, PH0 – PH3, SQ1, SQ2, T8 – T30, a 1/4" socket adapter, and a magnetic extension. All bits worked very well on this bit ratchet, including stubby bits. For me this has the best ergonomics (total opinion). The measured depth is 22mm with a 1" insert bit. If you need a flex head or sockets, look at the Sunex 9732. My primary (silly) complaints about this Wiha set is that it does not have a flex head ratchet and it does not include a T6, which I use often on pocket knives. That said, just buy this.
Wiha has numerous other similar sets with different focus. As one example (of something that I do not own and have not tested), consider the Wiha 75965 65 Piece System 4 ESD Safe Master Technician Ratchet and MicroBits Set (see https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JQ753W8?tag=atomicindus08-20). This adds many extra bits, but it focuses on the smaller sizes (ignoring some larger sizes such as PH2) and includes some sockets and has Torx Plus. Oddly, the contents label on the lid is not in the order that they are in the box, which makes it more difficult to look at the lid and then find the bit.
The metal box stays closed pretty sell and with the box closed, it retains everything well. This is one of my favorites and I think you should just buy one.
Buy. Sunex 9732 44 PC 1/4" Mini Flex Head. I really like this set and it competes nicely against the Wiha 74984. I own a couple of this set. The ratcheting action is fine and switching directions is easy. The Sunex has a stiff flex head whereas the Wiha has a fixed head. The Sunex has a bit holder on one side and a 1/4" socket driver on the other, so, flip it over and you can use a socket. This is both good and bad. Good in that it is always ready to use a socket, but you sacrifice depth in tight spaces. The Sunex extension is a locking power drive that locks insert bits and power drive bits. The locking extension is too deep for stubby bits (in my opinion), but they work fine without the extension. With that caveat, all the bits worked well in both. The extension is locking, but it does not lock into the ratchet (expected I think).
Without a 1/4" socket adapter, you cannot use sockets on the end of the bit extension; seems obvious, but I had to say it. This includes:
- 30 bits with duplicates on PH2 and PH3. Includes PH1 – PH3, 4 slotted bits, SAE Hex 5/32 – 1/4, Metric Hex 1.5 – 6, and security Torx TR8 – TR40.
- Sockets: 4mm or 5/32", 5mm or 3/16", 5.5mm or 7/32", 6mm or 1/4", 7mm or 9/32", 8mm or 5/16", 9mm or 11/32", 10mm or 3/8", 11mm or 7/16", 12mm or 15/32", 13mm or 1/2".
Bits and sockets are retained in foam that labels the bits, even if those labels are near impossible to read.
So, I love this set, especially that it contains sockets, a nice variety of bits, works great, and has a flex head. If I do not need the sockets (or if I do not want Spline sockets) and do not care about the flex head, the Wiha has a smaller profile and works great! I do not need a spare PH2 and PH3, so I could substitute a T6 for my pocket knives if I want.
The Sunex 9732 sells for about $50 on Amazon (see https://www.amazon.com/SUNEX-TOOLS-9732-RATCHET-Socket/dp/B01N4MA7MM?tag=atomicindus08-20), but if the sockets and flex head are not needed, consider the Sunex 9736 (see https://www.amazon.com/Sunex-9726-Mini-Ratchet-8-Inch/dp/B000XW4C8Q?tag=atomicindus08-20) for $37. This has bits not included in the 9732 set such as PZ bits, but then omits metric hex. The foam has more readable markings to identify the bits, but I prefer to include metric hex and sockets.
I like these enough that I have purchased a couple of sets.
Maybe. The Wadsworth Super Deluxe Mini-Ratchet Tool Set has a very specific audience of people who need a lot of torque in very tight spaces. This has a claimed usable 400-inch lbs of torque (33.33-foot pounds). The people I spoke with claim that they use these because the other stuff breaks and this does not (and it gets into tigh spaces).
The bits use flutes that fit into the ratchet, extension, screwdriver type handle, and plastic hand screws. So the flutes engage with the mechanism. This means that you can only use Wadsworth bits and extensions with the Wadsworth kit. The “ratchet” is not really a ratchet, but instead, I think that what is happening here is that the flutes on the bits and extensions, are able to spin in one direction on a single “pawl” that is in the mini ratchet; not sure I said the correctly. So when you “spin backwards” and have backdrag, you are really just spinning the “bit” backwards over the three teeth in the pawl and when you spin forward, the pawl is pulled in and it sinks into the flutes on the bit and holds the bit in place.
This works well, but the ratchet feels crude with high backdrag. Included with the kit are:
- Super-Mini ratchet, Screwdriver Handle, bit Extension, Plastic Bit End Caps
- 20 Hex bits: 0.50" – 5/16" (12) , 1.5mm – 6mm (8),
- 9 slotted screw bits: No. 0 – 4, 5, 8, and 10-1/4
- 4 Phillips bits: P0 – P4
- 8 Torx bits: T9 – T40
- Reed and Prince bit: 1/4"
- 1/4" socket adapter
I have seen many discussions with people ranging from “way to expensive for what it is” to “this is the first thing that worked and I have used it for years with everything else breaking”. I pull this out when things are too tight for me to use an impact to break it use and I do not want to break something else. Every part is available through direct sale and unlike some of my other expensive ratchets, I can replace the ratchet for about $40 and each bit for about $4. Never broke one and it has never failed me, but I do not need it that often for things that I do. People who use it often tell me that they replace their bits every four years or so, but remember that they are using hand power and not an impact driver.
For people that need one, it seems to be something you should buy. Most of the things I use it for I might also be able to just use my Chapman stuff, but those are for sure not meant for high torque. Chapman claims it can provide 200-inch pounds of torque (see https://chapmanmfg.com/products/famous-midget-ratchet-cm-13); so half that of the Wadsworth. I have applied torque to Chapman drivers that I thought was excessive and they did not break, but I am probably just lucky.
I know more people who use Chapman than Wadsworth regularly, but those that like the Wadsworth always claim that they need the extra Torque. Users on this forum do use Wadsworth and @RAYJAY has broken Wadsworth ratchets and @larry_g has not. I have not broken one, which surprised me a bit, especially the Chapman that I was abusing because it was what I had with me; I guess it was not as tight as I thought.
I own a lot of Bit Holders for use on Ratchets. I really like the holders from Tekton; they all work well.
1/4" Ratchet Bit Holders
Buy. Tekton has Bit Holders for 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2". In my experience they all work well with all the bits. I like the Tekton ratchets and I have a full 1/4" socket set in every car I own. I gave one to a Mechanic I know who loves it and now carries it in his car. Not sure how he did not know about Tekton. This is my car set:
https://www.tekton.com/1-4-inch-drive-shallow-and-deep-6-point-socket-and-ratchet-set-skt05303
This includes shallow and deep sockets from 5/32 – 9/16", 4mm – 15mm, extensions, a bit holder, a spinner handle, and more all in a nice case. I add bits myself. My only complaint is that the ratchet is not a flex head and that caused me problems once because the handle was too long for something that I needed.
Through all of this, the bit holder works well.
Buy maybe, Gedore 620 Bit Adapter. I like this adapter and I tried it because it was mentioned here on the Garage Journal Forum. The reason to use this is that it retains bits very well, but it is more difficult to insert bits and the stubby bits require pliers to remove them. If I am not tied to using this type of ratchet, I prefer the retention on the Wera Power Drive which uses a retractable locking ring that is easier to use. This Gedore holds very tightly and I will only use it when I really need the retention, other wise I am more inclined to use the Tekton.
Things that are NOT bit ratchets.
Maybe. Brownells Magna-tip Superset is a great set with bits and drivers made by Zephyr; one of my favorite bit manufacturers. If appearance matters and you do not want to damage a fastener, you want the best fit possible. This set targets gunsmiths, but the idea in this set carries to other areas. Chapman also makes bits specifically sized for firearms, but the Brownells is something special with slotted bits of varying thickness so that you can find the closest fit possible; for example, slotted bits with width 0.360" and 0.340" have six thicknesses: 0.07, 0.06, 0.05, 0.04, 0.035, and 0.030. There are slotted bits of widths 0.36, 0.34, 0.30, 0.27, 0.24, 0.21, 0.18, 0.15, and 0.12. The set includes SAE hex bits H1/16 – H1/4, one square bit (R2), and three Phillips (PH0, PH1, and PH2).
The included drivers (by Zephyr) are nothing special, but they feel fine in my hand and work with every bit I tried. I added extra bits including split bits for clamps, larger flat bits for windage adjustment, and a couple small bits narrower than what is included in the standard set.
Although I like this set, unless you need the best fitment possible to avoid damaging the screws, you do not need this set. Before I bought this set, I would rely on Chapman firearm specific sizes or my Grace screwdrivers. With this set, I can really dial in the exact size and I am less likely to cause damage on something where looks really matter. To put things into perspective, consider Lie-Nielsen screwdrivers specifically designed for woodworking applications at about $50 each (See https://www.lie-nielsen.com/search?q=screwdr) and one of my personal favorites, the Lee Valley Plane Screwdriver to help with chip breakers (see https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/screwdrivers/drivers/60111-plane-screwdriver).
Buy. TRO Designs 1/4" Superleggera Ratchet. I will concede that this is just a ratchet, but, it is one of my favorites to use with bits because the backdrag is the lowest of any ratchet I have ever used. This is a favorite for everyone who uses it. This is quick release (QR) and some people dislike QR.
The backdrag is low, the action is smooth, are very light and these have held up very well to rough use not showing scratches and wear. These are ideal when weight matters, such as a bicycle set.
I have sets with four sockets (6, 8, 10, and 12mm), an extension, and a bit adapter. Everything has very tight tolerances, including the bit adapter, which holds bits in a firm way (not sloppy). This worked with everything I threw at it except two specific PB Swiss bits (PH4 and 1.6x10 Slotted bit) and Snap-On bits; all of which measured as too large to meet the ISO standard. All other bits worked better (less slop) in this bit adapter than the other adapters. Because it is a 1/4" ratchet, you can use a different bit adapter, but I have found no reason to do so; I prefer the included bit adapter.
The included plastic case has space in the foam for eleven 1" insert bits; I have Zephyr bits in my cases. For me this is a buy (it is my favorite ratchet), but it is very expensive.
And now you know about my favorite ratchet, the TRO Design.
RonnieC
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Wow, amazing write up @Ohio Andy !!! Thanks for the effort. 
four.cycle
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WOW Andy! just WOW!
Amazing.
I can definitely concur on both the Tekton "small engine kit" (as well as the bit ratchet which is included in the kit.) VERY nicely done by the folks at Tekton - this is where I'd like to see tools of the future going.
Also that little "WIHA" GoBox is slick. For the price point, product quality, and content - pretty hard to top.
Thus far my buddy's been perfectly happy with all of the Titan stuff I've sent his way: all those gimbal-headed numbers (1/4" square and 1/4" hex) and some other items. In respect to "torque load" - the stuff is sold at O'Reilly's Auto Parts and is so damn cheap if you break it I don't think you'll have much difficulty getting a replacement.
Amazing.
I can definitely concur on both the Tekton "small engine kit" (as well as the bit ratchet which is included in the kit.) VERY nicely done by the folks at Tekton - this is where I'd like to see tools of the future going.
Also that little "WIHA" GoBox is slick. For the price point, product quality, and content - pretty hard to top.
Thus far my buddy's been perfectly happy with all of the Titan stuff I've sent his way: all those gimbal-headed numbers (1/4" square and 1/4" hex) and some other items. In respect to "torque load" - the stuff is sold at O'Reilly's Auto Parts and is so damn cheap if you break it I don't think you'll have much difficulty getting a replacement.
orangeblood
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Good research thoughtfully organized and well written analysis.
Thank you sir.
Thank you sir.