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What brand weed killer are yall using for broadleaf weeds? I sprayed glyphosate 41% and still have Santa Maria feverfew broadleaf untouched. Was told temperature is important during application or product will not kill weeds.
 
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Are you sure you are using glyphosate at 41%??? That will kill anything. Or is it 4.1%

41% comes out thick like a light syrup.

For broad leaf weeds mixed in turf you don't want to kill, 24d works great.




I used this one in the photo.
 

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yea you didnt spray concentrate roundup and still have stuff left alive...didnt happen unless your mix was ultra ultra weak.

Celsius WG is what I have switched to from 2-4-d... works better, but its not nearly as cheap. You will choke on the price of a 10oz bottle, but then realize that it only takes like .1 oz to make a gallon to spray 1k sq. ft. A 10oz bottle will treat 2 acres fully... which is rarely needed if you keep ahead of the weeds.

Ive started putting down Specticle G pre-emergent and then I only have to spot treat the weeds that come up every once in a while. Specticle G is not cheap either, but best pre-emergent available now.
 

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Are these weeds in a driveway or lawn or?
Adding a couple drops of dish soap to your spray tank will break the surface tension on your spray and allow better contact on what you’re spraying.
2-4-D kills most broadleaf plants and won’t kill grasses. Glyphosate kills most things, although some weeds are becoming resistant to it.
 

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The OP is trying to do full ground clearing in preparation for planting grass...

Nothing we are offering is what he needs.

He actually needs something stronger IMO than glyphosate... but you generally need a license to spray it. It'll nuke everything dead. I cant remember the name, but there are a few products out there. Guy I worked with was trying to clear weeds out of corn field that they had let go for 2-3 years... guy came and sprayed it and the field was DEAD the next day... like DEAD. He was like "holy **** that stuff is crazy". And I think he said you could plant within either 14 or 30 days... I dont remember but it was short.
 

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Trying to kill this broadleaf weed.
You did not answer. Again, did you use the 41% glyphosate straight from the jug?

I can not believe that will not kill that weed.

FYI you don't need it at full strength, likely just stronger than the watered down concentration you first used.
 
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Ok. Straight out of this jug I mixed 5 oz of the jug for every 1 gallon of water into a 15 gallon tank. Thought 5oz was going to be too strong so next 15 gallon batch I mixed 4 oz out of jug for every 1 gallon of water.

The instructions show to mix 3 oz per every gallon of water. I was told to mix it stronger so that’s why I started with 5 oz for every 1 gallon of water.
 

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The OP is trying to do full ground clearing in preparation for planting grass...
In which case he needs to up his game and avail himself to the other stuff that is available.

Go to the shop that caters to the landscapers and lawnmower contractors - the local Stihl/Husqvarna/Toro/Honda dealer - and they'll have gallon containers of HIGHLY concentrated chemicals - some of which may require a license to purchase.
You're in a different world there - with stuff like "Crossbow" or "Garlon" or "Polaris" or ......

I WOULD:
take a photo image of that plant with your cellular phone
open up a browser window and plug that picture in.
you can either (a) download an "app" to your phone that will help you to identify ANY plant from a photo
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(b) there are a few websites where you can upload the photo image and ask "what is this thing?" and the site will give you a best guess.

Figure out what the plant IS. Then read up on it. You may be wasting time and money with sprays - it might spread underground!

Your County weed control board will be more than happy to offer helpful advice. Just don't tell them your real name, address, or phone number.

At least ONE of those chemicals I listed above causes blindness. You need to be very careful with that stuff - it's pretty noxious.
 

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OK, another clarification that should be the OP posting "the whole story"... He's not doing turf grass like bermuda or st. aug...

He's trying to turn 5-10 acres of corn field into grazing and deer land... I told him just to disc it and plant his seed he wants to plant, no need to kill any weeds I dont personally think... but thats just me.
 

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A lot of weeds especially broad leaves are resistant to glyphosate. 2 4 d, or banville will get the vast majority of the broadleaves out there. Mixing that and glyphosate together is also kind of synergistic and that should get pretty much any broadleaf that you have out there and can replant in 10 days or so. The glyphosate has no residual, but depending on which formula 24d you are using it does somewhat. You also could use a herbicide called sharpen, it is not restricted use however it is about $700 a gallon but you only use an ounce and a half to the acre. You might want to check with the local chemical supply store that you could get a little bit of it or a farmer.
 

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Ok. Straight out of this jug I mixed 5 oz of the jug for every 1 gallon of water into a 15 gallon tank. Thought 5oz was going to be too strong so next 15 gallon batch I mixed 4 oz out of jug for every 1 gallon of water.

The instructions show to mix 3 oz per every gallon of water. I was told to mix it stronger so that’s why I started with 5 oz for every 1 gallon of water.
How long ago? Gly isn't instant. Diquat will start wilting the plant in 24hrs.
 

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5oz/gallon of 41% is about a 4% mixture

Didn't think I'd ever use those equations again after school.
 
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5oz/gallon of 41% is about a 4% mixture

Didn't think I'd ever use those equations again after school.
That's 4% of the 41% concentrate, not a 4% mixture of glyphosate.

5oz of 41% concentrate = 2.05oz of glyphosate, the rest is water, surfactant, "other ingredients", etc.

128oz water + 5oz concentrate = 133oz liquid

2.05oz glyphosate / 133oz liquid = 1.54%


As a baseline, homeowner Roundup RTU has 2% glyphosate in it, some other stuff, and mostly water.
To make a gallon of 2% glyphosate, you'd need about 6.25oz of 41% concentrate plus 121.75oz of water.

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That's 4% of the 41% concentrate, not a 4% mixture of glyphosate.

5oz of 41% concentrate = 2.05oz of glyphosate, the rest is water, surfactant, "other ingredients", etc.

128oz water + 5oz concentrate = 133oz liquid

2.05oz glyphosate / 133oz liquid = 1.54%


As a baseline, homeowner Roundup RTU has 2% glyphosate in it, some other stuff, and mostly water.
To make a gallon of 2% glyphosate, you'd need about 6.25oz of 41% concentrate plus 121.75oz of water.

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Exactly what I was thinking. 🧐
 

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Triclopyr - this is what a lot of people are using now.

@472scout - thank you for posting that.

This is why I said above "find out what sort of plant you're dealing with" before you choose your poison. No sense in throwing money away on something that isn't going to work.
 

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^ and thanks again.
And again: contact your local County Weed Control Board for information - that's why they are there.
And those guys make a science of this stuff.
 

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^ and thanks again.
And again: contact your local County Weed Control Board for information - that's why they are there.
And those guys make a science of this stuff.

100%. My neighbor pulled out a nasty looking weed growing up and down our private road, took it to the county weed shop, and asked "what the hell is this ****?".

He came back with a huge loaner tow-behind sprayer full of free herbicide.
 

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That's 4% of the 41% concentrate, not a 4% mixture of glyphosate.

5oz of 41% concentrate = 2.05oz of glyphosate, the rest is water, surfactant, "other ingredients", etc.

128oz water + 5oz concentrate = 133oz liquid

2.05oz glyphosate / 133oz liquid = 1.54%


As a baseline, homeowner Roundup RTU has 2% glyphosate in it, some other stuff, and mostly water.
To make a gallon of 2% glyphosate, you'd need about 6.25oz of 41% concentrate plus 121.75oz of water.

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^ That's one of the reasons I've repeatedly posted that.

Several years ago (just prior to the Bayer acquisition of Montsano), I was engaged with the botanist at Olympic National Park, the botanist at Mt. Rainier National Park, the lady at the Clallam County Weed Control Board, and a lady who ran the maintenance division of the Clallam County Parks Department - all at the same time.
The discussion started because of a complaint posted by an indidual about Clallam County Parks using "RoundUp" with backpack sprayers in the public areas of the parks.
You will recall that this was right at the time when the news headlines were filled with hysterical claims and lawsuits were being filed against Montsano.

I was a bit concerned, so I first called Clallam County Parks, who directed me to the maintenance lady, who suggested I contact the botanist at ONP, who suggested I contact the botanist at MRNP (as I had mentioned I witnessed NPS employees spraying weed killer on plants up at Cayuse Pass (elevation 4675 ft.) and was a bit puzzled about it.

All four of these women were more than willing to provide me with more information than I ever could have possibly needed.
I got *.pdf files in my email - peer-reviewed papers like you've posted just above. MSDS sheets for all the chemicals they were using. Photo images of labels from products they were using.
Spent hours and hours on the phone with Janet, the botanist at Olympic NP, which developed into my sending her photos on a regular basis of non-native invasive plants and pinpointing their locations so the weed crews knew where they needed to be.

The amount of MISinformation on the internet about weed killers, and in particular "RoundUp" and glyphosate, is mind-boggling. That misinformation is perpetuated by individuals who are unwilling to invest the time and effort to read the fine print - they're all about "Git-er-done" and damn the consequences.

The Weed Control Board people do this for a living. I believe it's in all of our best interests - over the long term - to listen to their recommendations.

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As an aside - although this may or may not be an option in your particular situation - botanists are experimenting with more "natural" methods for dealing with invasive plants.
It was discovered that a rust fungus, Puccinia punctiformis could be employed to deal with the non-native Canada Thistle Cirsium arvense.)
Interesting stuff. It might be the case that the solution to your problem does not require chemicals derived from petroleum. (paper below)

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Looking through all this material again brings to mind the herculean efforts being made to contain non-native invasive species.
And every now and then one is able to find some humor in all of it - like the tomato plant that sprung out of a pile of bear poop up near Bob Creek. :lol:
 

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OK, another clarification that should be the OP posting "the whole story"... He's not doing turf grass like bermuda or st. aug...

He's trying to turn 5-10 acres of corn field into grazing and deer land... I told him just to disc it and plant his seed he wants to plant, no need to kill any weeds I dont personally think... but thats just me.
Are you sitting next to him or something?
 

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A lot of weeds especially broad leaves are resistant to glyphosate.
Not my experience ! I killed off an entire lawn using generic glyphosate. Yes, to took 2 applications about a week apart.

2 4 d, or banville will get the vast majority of the broadleaves out there. Mixing that and glyphosate together ...
2,4-D will not harm most turf grasses. Glyphosate will !

Go to Do My Own and look up the specific weed that is 2,4-D is not effective on.

My personal choice is Spectracide Weed Stop For Lawns Plus Crabgrass Killer.
 

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Not my experience ! I killed off an entire lawn using generic glyphosate. Yes, to took 2 applications about a week apart.


2,4-D will not harm most turf grasses. Glyphosate will !

Go to Do My Own and look up the specific weed that is 2,4-D is not effective on.

My personal choice is Spectracide Weed Stop For Lawns Plus Crabgrass Killer.
I was referring to totally killing something to start over fresh seeding. Yes generic glyphosate will kill grass but I'm referring to Broad leaves some of them resistant to five and six different chemistries. Most of those are in ag Fields but some of them have drifted into lawns. I'm a certified applicator
 

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Glad we finally got the full story. As I thought, the OP was mixing it way too weak. Once you mix 41% Glyphosate with water, it is no longer 41% Glyphosate strength.

You don't need a strong mix for grass but some weeds and especially vines need a stronger mix (7+%) than the mild mix they sell to consumers at hardware stores.

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have actually tried 41% straight from the jug trying to kill bamboo. Stuff turns brown practically overnight. I found even on bamboo 41% is too strong and it is too thick to even spray properly. I ended up mixing it 50/50 with water to make 20.5% and that will kill anything it touches.
 
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