wyliesdiesels
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those are not back stab style devices
Off-branded receptacles and switches
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rust in the eye
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Sure looks like it in the photo. I see a Wago looking clamp. Too bad we can't see the contact area
wyliesdiesels
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ever used a Spec grade receptacle? they have side clamps under the screws. definitely NOT push-wire "back-stab" type connections which have a thin wire spring that holds the wire in place. a pressure plate is far different than a thin wire spring.... try looking up the differences...
dcg9381
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And way easier to chase... Just spent and hour and had to find my original PHOTO of the electrician's hand-written mark up of house plans to figure out one of the garage GFI was located on the exterior of the house..
dave*99
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Leviton has a video on their website that briefly shows the locking mechanism and contact area.Sure looks like it in the photo. I see a Wago looking clamp. Too bad we can't see the contact area
Lever Edge
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This video demonstrates the wire retention strength.
Whereas back stab connections look like this:
Sure looks like it in the photo. I see a Wago looking clamp. Too bad we can't see the contact area
Didnt connect the dots @rust in the eye eh?
Have you ever seen or used a Wago? Google those and also feel free to click the link I left in my post. If you cant trust Leviton and German engineering then I guess youre stuck with those terrible flatheadphillipsrobertson screws
rust in the eye
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Its not all about wire retention. My concern is the surface area of the contact.Leviton has a video on their website that briefly shows the locking mechanism and contact area.
Lever Edge
This video demonstrates the wire retention strength.
Whereas back stab connections look like this:
rust in the eye
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Seen them? Yes, I have a bag full of them that came with various lighting fixtures installed. Want them? German engineering ain't the be all and end all, although they would have you think otherwise and NEVER admit an engineering mistake.
I have no trouble operating a screwdriver.
rust in the eye
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I'm familiar with and use those, this is not that.
FrankLee
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mike93lx
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I expect that no data or video will change your opinion on this.
And that's OK. No need to use a wago and there are plenty of other options
rust in the eye
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I've not seen anything to indicate contact area, important when the going gets tough. If an equal contact area to a properly done up screw connection or the backwired clamp type can be demonstrated I'm in.
mike93lx
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Have you looked? I bet it's out there
mike93lx
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You are getting wago's with lighting fixtures? I've only ever gotten push in with fixtures, not wago lever nuts.
They aren't the same
rust in the eye
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Yep, you are right they are push in. I confused them with Wago.
rust in the eye
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Nope, I'm not trying to make a case for them.
Since i just got done retrofitting 20+ receptacles and switches with these I JUST HAD TO check
Performed the same test, 12g solid copper, cut to correct length (indicated on product), pulled, twisted, abused....
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Broke the copper strands both times before any noticeable pull out?
I would argue the same would happen with traditional screw retention devices. I call BS
dave*99
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Since i just got done retrofitting 20+ receptacles and switches with these I JUST HAD TO check
Performed the same test, 12g solid copper, cut to correct length (indicated on product), pulled, twisted, abused....
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Broke the copper strands both times before any noticeable pull out?
I would argue the same would happen with traditional screw retention devices. I call BS
Seems many of the folks that viewed the video also share your sentiment. But rest assured the guy that made the video is happy to argue with all those that commented against it.
sparky 1971
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I haven't seen a fixture with a push in yet; lately all of them have either lever nuts that aren't Wago brand or nothing. I do use the provided lever nuts, the load of one fixture isn't going to be enough to cause a failure.
This is another example of location being everything. Here, Wago refers to any push in wire connector where lever nut means exactly that and neither one is brand specific.
mike93lx
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This is what I think of for each
Push in
Lever nut/wago
You get fixtures with lever nuts? Is that high end stuff? I've never seen one included with a fixture
dave*99
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So what are we calling a push in Wago?
mike93lx
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I haven't seen those and didn't know they made them.So what are we calling a push in Wago?
I'll no longer refer to wago lever nuts as wagos
dave*99
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OK, but I'm still calling cotton swabs Q-tips.
mike93lx
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Fine!
Do you want a Kleenex?
Chuckster in NJ
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A "WAGA PUSH"So what are we calling a push in Wago?
wyliesdiesels
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anyone need a xerox'd document?
You deserve a band-aide slapped across your mouth for saying that.
Can you do mimeo-graph instead?
dave*99
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That must be the knock-off brand.You deserve a band-aide slapped across your mouth for saying that.
sparky 1971
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I wouldn't call them high end, but there is a lighting supplier I work with and the fixtures I get from them either have lever nuts or nothing; lately I've been on a helluva run and installed about 30 wall packs that came with lever nuts, the same for tube ready linear high bays. Tube ready strip lights have nothing, UFO high bays and parking lot pole fixtures have a cord, obviously with no connectors. I can't think of anything else I've bought from them, but what I have purchased, there has been a bunch of everything. I don't even know the brands, I just call the sales rep, tell him what I need and where I want it delivered to and if it's in stock it will be there within 48 hours.
Outside of the old school recessed can housings that I haven't installed in at least 10 years, I don't think I have seen a push in style included with a fixture and I chopped those off to make room for wire nuts first thing when installing them
JohnX14
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We use NDR brand 'wafer' lights. (Not all are wafer, a lot of gimble fixtures have significant depth) I probably use a couple thousand a year. They all come with the push in style wago's . We use them. But years ago on the old school recessed cans, I'd also cut them off and use wirenuts.
sparky 1971
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You're right. Wafer lights have push in's but I install so few of them that I had forgotten. I do just enough new residential work to remind myself why I don't do new residential work. One house about every three code cycles is plenty.
JohnX14
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HA! I can see why. I have 3 guys working, and new residential pays in this area. 2 are young guys that can really move. I work full time as a building inspector, and have just enough free time to lay things out for them and bill/ collect/ walk-through/ etc. I mostly do semi-custom homes, for only about 6-8 builders. And along with some very custom. I couldn't pay for the NDR's if it was builder spec. I can buy almost anything else for 1/2 or 1/4 of a regressed NDR. We also use some higher end (relatively speaking) RAB and Halo's especially for 2 story or sloped ceilings.
Edit: Before I went full time inspecting, we did a nice mix of residential and commercial over the years. Now I need to keep it simple.
Now that we are properly off topic... sorry @Junkman
I have been using some highly rated Amazon chinese dimmer switches for the last 2yrs, no issues with those. In fact as good or better when I compared them to about 6 other brands including Leviton and Lutron from HD.
These arent responsible for protecting the circuit, but im sure it will ruffle some feathers here
Tried all of these landed on ELEGRP dimmers
I have been using some highly rated Amazon chinese dimmer switches for the last 2yrs, no issues with those. In fact as good or better when I compared them to about 6 other brands including Leviton and Lutron from HD.
These arent responsible for protecting the circuit, but im sure it will ruffle some feathers here
Tried all of these landed on ELEGRP dimmers
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mike93lx
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Gotta keep firefighters employedNow that we are properly off topic... sorry @Junkman
I have been using some highly rated Amazon chinese dimmer switches for the last 2yrs, no issues with those. In fact as good or better when I compared them to about 6 other brands including Leviton and Lutron from HD.
These arent responsible for protecting the circuit, but im sure it will ruffle some feathers here
Tried all of these landed on ELEGRP dimmers
dave*99
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I always read the user details in the reviews. But often the ratings are short term. So you bought it last week it works well this week.
Great. I’ll consider an expendable phone charger recommendation on that advice. I think twice on items I want years of longevity on.
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William Payne
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The major brand PDL down here recently released a nice range of switches and outlets that I am going to overtime swap out my current PDL stuff for in my house.
They are very nice and modern looking and about the same price as their conventional stuff so you just buy to suit what you want and not paying way more for fancy.
They are very nice and modern looking and about the same price as their conventional stuff so you just buy to suit what you want and not paying way more for fancy.
FrankLee
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Recently, I've swapped out several switches, outlets and GFCIs with Leviton and Lutron. The Levitons are marked Mexico or China. I just make sure anything I use is UL or ETL listed and locally sourced. Even the certifications can be faked.
I've got many more to replace and leaning towards using the Lever Edge models.