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JackOfDiamonds

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Building code requires lights in accessible attics. But my attic gets literally 150F during the day (I've checked). All the LED light bulbs I can find are rated at 40C ambient max temperature, a far cry from the 70+C in my attic.

The last thing I want is a light bulb melting down or catching on fire in my enclosed tinderbox of an attic where there's no smoke detectors. So if everyone has to put lights in the attic, and light fixtures rated to go in attics don't exist, what do people do?
 
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mm08822

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I wouldn't worry about. Attic lights aren't used that often and usually when a person is in it. So not unattended.

Worst case the bulb life is shortened.

I have incandescents in my attic that are 30+ years old and see a full temperature swing. Never been replaced.
 

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Most common is to have a pull chain to turn the lights on when you go into the attic and turn off when you leave. For that brief time, it doesn't matte what bulb you have in there, LED or anything else. If you're concerned about accidentally leaving it on, then there are plenty of bulbs with motion sensors built in, or it's easy enough to wire in a stand alone sensor switch.
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At least upgrade to porcelain sockets. :ROFLMAO:
This being Garage Journal, I feel it only appropriate to recommend Appleton style fixtures. I grabbed this pic from an eBay seller in case a reader is not familiar with what I’m talking about. These 2 were salvaged from an old ship that was being broken up for scrap. Classic design.

(As a long time member of GJ, I recently installed a similar fixture over the sump pump installation in my crawl space. 😎)

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Where do you get incandescents nowadays?

My inspector said pull-chain was not code compliant anymore, and made me put a switch in the hallway to turn on the attic light. I have a pantry closet with a switch like that, and I know from experience the switch gets left on all the time. At least in that case I notice it because I see light through the door crack, but in the case of the attic, I would never notice. With 5 other people in the house, "just don't leave the light on" is not realistic. I need to plan for it to be left on for extended periods.

For now I'll install some 40W oven lightbulbs that I have on hand. If they survive in an oven they should survive in the attic. I wanted something brighter than 40W though.

If you're concerned about accidentally leaving it on, then there are plenty of bulbs with motion sensors built in, or it's easy enough to wire in a stand alone sensor switch.

Sensor switches aren't rated for attic temperatures either...
 

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Most common is to have a pull chain to turn the lights on when you go into the attic and turn off when you leave. ... If you're concerned about accidentally leaving it on, then there are plenty of bulbs with motion sensors built in, or it's easy enough to wire in a stand alone sensor switch.
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I have an access at each end of the house. One has a pull chain just above the door, you have to be at the top of the ladder to reach it. At the other end of the house, there is a pull-down stairway into the attic. I installed a push button switch near the ladder and attached a tab on the ladder that pushes on the switch. Pull the ladder down, the lights go ON. Put the ladder up, the lights go OFF. Not sure how code-compliant it might be, but the inspectors don't live there, I do.


My inspector said pull-chain was not code compliant anymore, and made me put a switch in the hallway to turn on the attic light.
See my comments above.


Install this in place of switch:
Intermatic SW60MWK 60-Minute Spring-Wound Timer, White

Then, when you are 61 minutes into your mission, and are at the point farthest away from the access, ...
 

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Timer switch on an attic light?
Then, when you are 61 minutes into your mission, and are at the point farthest away from the access,

Bad idea.
Long ago I was stuck far from the ceiling access port in total darkness when the one bulb illuminating my attic chose that moment to burn out. In that house all I had to walk on were the edges of the ceiling joists. I felt my way in the direction I thought was the attic access. Nobody was home at the time so yelling for help wasnt an option. Luckily I made it out without slipping and punching a big hole in a ceiling.
 
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...My inspector said pull-chain was not code compliant anymore, and made me put a switch in the hallway to turn on the attic light...
Probably too late for this then, but what my take is that a pull chain is fine, so long as the chain can be reached from the opening.

Section 210.70(C), at least one lighting outlet with a switch or controlled by a wall switch (or a listed wall-mounted control device) is required in attics, underfloor spaces, utility rooms, and basements.

As for what bulb to use, you're in a pickle of a problem. Any highly efficient LED bulb that's rated to be used in an enclosed fixture (so it's designed to handle high temperatures) should serve your purpose in an open fixture. One with a plastic shell is what I use (so I don't have a broken glass risk). The problem is that these tend to be rated to 40C, because they're rated for 40C in an enclosed fixture (where the bulb gets MUCH hotter).

Looking at Home Depot, even an incandescent 40W appliance bulb shows a 45C rating, so if you're strictly looking to go by the book, I think you're **** out of luck here.

My take is that LED bulbs come in many flavors. Older designs were less power efficient, so they needed a lot of airflow to dissipate heat, and those sort of bulbs may give you problems (premature failure is far more likely than actually burning up). Newer high efficiency designs put out so little heat, and ones rated for use in enclosed fixtures are designed to withstand quite a bit of heat, so you should be fine. Something that draws 9W for 850 lumens in an A19 (a 60W incandescent equivalent) should do the trick, so long as it's rated for use in an enclosed fixture, AND you use it in something open.
 

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Timer switch on an attic light?


Bad idea.
Long ago I was stuck far from the ceiling access port in total darkness when the one bulb illuminating my attic chose that moment to burn out. In that house all I had to walk on were the edges of the ceiling joists. I felt my way in the direction I thought was the attic access. Nobody was home at the time so yelling for help wasnt an option. Luckily I made it out without slipping and punching a big hole in a ceiling.
This is one of the reasons that a penlight-style flashlight lives in a holster on my belt.

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Looking at Home Depot, even an incandescent 40W appliance bulb shows a 45C rating,
That’s hilarious. All us older guys remember incandescent bulbs in ”trouble lights” at the end of a long cord used under hood for car repairs and other places. They got so hot they would brand your bare arm if you accidentally touched them. I’m sure those got to 100C or hotter.
 

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^ That's hilarious. I JUST recently acquired one of those - although this one has a yellow plastic cover and cage over the bulb - with a cord that's got to be at least a 50-footer. I put an LED bulb into it and it actually still worked! Does anyone even use those things any more?
I only kept it because it had such a long cord. Otherwise I'd have put it out on the curb.
 

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This is one of the reasons that a penlight-style flashlight lives in a holster on my belt.

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Me too. AAA Fenix light and a Leatherman Micra are in my pocket at all times (except when flying or entering a restricted area with metal detectors)

BTW, notice I carry only one house key. All 7 locks here, knobs and deadbolts, are keyed alike.

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Timer switch on an attic light?


Bad idea.
Long ago I was stuck far from the ceiling access port in total darkness when the one bulb illuminating my attic chose that moment to burn out. In that house all I had to walk on were the edges of the ceiling joists. I felt my way in the direction I thought was the attic access. Nobody was home at the time so yelling for help wasnt an option. Luckily I made it out without slipping and punching a big hole in a ceiling.
Long ago?
Before cell phones?
 

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Yes…very early ‘80s

Does anybody remember this style cell phone? I think they came out mid ‘80’s. You can see them used in movies of that era. I certainly didn’t have one and nobody I know did either.

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From what I know, I think they were so expensive, only very wealthy businessmen could afford the things.

Dad had a StarTAC (which I still have); and that was '96-97. That was the first cellphone anyone around here had; he used it until well in to the '00s. Granddad I think had a Nokia 3310.
 

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Me too. AAA Fenix light and a Leatherman Micra are in my pocket at all times (except when flying or entering a restricted area with metal detectors)

BTW, notice I carry only one house key. All 7 locks here, knobs and deadbolts, are keyed alike.

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Keyed Alike . Me too!! Other than the keypad locks.
 

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mm08822

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That’s hilarious. All us older guys remember incandescent bulbs in ”trouble lights” at the end of a long cord used under hood for car repairs and other places. They got so hot they would brand your bare arm if you accidentally touched them. I’m sure those got to 100C or hotter.
And if you knocked it hard or it fell and then broke the filament.

Better yet, all that and blew the branch circuit fuse as well!
 
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