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Kentucky Krawler - oversize 2-car detached garage

akjason

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Hello everyone (wait, I live in KY, that should read "Hey y'all!")

I've been lurking on this website for a little while now soaking in all the cool ideas for when I set up my garage, but this is my first real post. I'm a first-time homeowner, been in my house for a little over a year now, and it's about time I fix my garage up the way it's supposed to be. I've got a detached 22x24 behind my house, and its main purpose will be for working on my Jeep. I've also got a 1-car attached garage that will house all the normal garage stuff (mower, trimmer, paint cans, etc), so the detached garage will function more like a shop.

These were all taken prior to moving in -
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The house itself is about 26 years old, but the garage was built in 2005. All the walls are insulated, but the ceiling is not (it's on my to do list, one of these days...). The trusses are 104" from the floor, and all walls have peg board on the upper half (the previous owner was nice enough to leave all the various hooks). There is storage in half of the attic space, the other half is open. Lighting is pretty good, much better than any garage I've used in the past to work on the Jeep. Plenty of electrical outlets, 4-5 on each wall, with a 220V outlet next to the breaker panel by the man door.

When I moved in I just threw stuff in there and that's pretty much the way it's been for the last year while I took care of other aspects of the house (interior paint, fence for the dog, new roof). This is at the start of the fence project, funny how full a garage can get when it's not organized :rolleyes:
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So I've been researching and planning for how I want everything set up, and after many iterations this is what I've come up with using my fancy shmancy CAD program -
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Starting at the back wall and going from left to right, we have:
- Shelving unit made from 2x4 and 3/4" plywood. Each section is 2ftx4ft, for a total length of 12ft. The back and left sides are mounted to the studs, leaving only the three legs in front.
- Tire storage is large enough to fit (5) 38" tires (I run aggressive tires on the trail, and an all terrain style on the street).
- The lower shelf is for taller items like jack stands.
- Room under the lower shelf to slide in my hydraulic lift cart and floor jack.
- L-shaped workbench, basically two sections 38"x8ft. 2x4 frame, 2x10 planks for the top, with a 1/2" plywood working surface. 38" working height. Like the shelves, the wall sides will be mounted to the studs. You can barely make it out in the picture, but the orange shapes on either end of the bench under the top surface are receiver tubes for hitch-mounted items like a vice, bench grinder, etc. The beige colored outlet in the picture is the light switch for the overhead flourescent unit. There's only one now, but I want to install a second one for the second leg of the bench.
- In the corner are shelves for the stereo and shop computer. My buddy uses that setup and it works great.
- Tool chest that I don't have yet. I've been working out of a few cheap hard sided and soft sided tool boxes/bags, and that got old a while ago. I'm saving up for a 40" Craftsman getup.
- 25gal upright air compressor that I picked up at a yard sale for $25, woohoo!
- 20 ton shop press
- Hobart Handler 210. I haven't made the cart for it yet, but that's my idea of how I want it to be set up.

I'm playing with the idea of putting the air compressor in a "closet" to cut down on the noise. It'll be a simple structure made from 2x4 sandwiched with 1/2" plywood. The orange squares on the inside and outside are standard home HVAC vents so the compressor can breath with the door shut. I'll install a hose reel somewhere on the outside of the closet, I've got some ideas floating around in my brain to make it out of Jeep parts (old wheel, wheel bearing, and winch fairlead). The closet will also serve as a great shelf for a mini fridge (which I'll have to custom paint in some way, of course). I want to leave the closet portable for now, because I'm not sure where it'll work out best in the layout of the garage. Eventually I'd like to plumb in hard line and have air drops at the workbench and near the door.
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So you've probably noticed the paint scheme by now. I've always like orange and black, although it's not because of Harley-Davidson. I'm going to leave the peg board unpainted because it's already white, conveniently enough. The 6" black stripe will start at the top of the plywood sheathing, followed by the orange below. All the framework for the bench and shelves will be black, and the plywood tops will be a glossy light gray with the edges of the plywood painted orange. I think it's an interesting way to spice up a boring lumber workbench and shelf.

All comments and questions are welcome:beer: And since I'm still in the planning stage, I am completely open to suggestions and constructive criticism. In fact, I encourage it :thumbup:
 
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I would have you think about the depth that you are giving up by having the tires and 2' shelving units on the back wall. I have worked in quite a few 24' deep shops and find that by the time you have a workbench (or shelves) there and space to work things get tight, especially when you work on a full sized rig. If your really making this a workshop and not going to have to park two rigs in there then consider putting shelving along the wall adjacent to the man door and moving your workbench into the middle of the floor ala Jack Olsens weld table. Another option is to exchange your shelving unit with the welder/compressor/toolbox shown in the first rendering.

Show us how it looks with the bench rotated 90 degrees so that the long leg goes down the middle if the shop, and the right end as shown is in the corner.

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Gotta agree with Larry regarding the depth. Don't forget a 220 plug for the welder before you get to far and i don't see a stripper pole on your plans for the man cave.
You are going to be the odd man out with a fence for the dog form the looks of your pics
 
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akjason

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Honestly, the reason the shelves are in the back is because I placed the welder next to the 220 outlet, so I parked all the other shop items next to it. But it's not like the welder is some beastly TIG unit that won't move, so there's no reason why the shelves can't go along the side wall. That way all the portable items go along the back wall and can move out of the way if the space is needed. And I've got 31 feet of 8ga cord for the welder (6ft conversion cord + 25ft extension), so I can reach anywhere inside the garage and the entire driveway pad in front of the garage. Thanks for the suggestion guys.

As for rotating the workbench, I want to avoid putting anything in the middle of the floorspace that can't be moved against the wall. Even though I don't plan on keeping two vehicles in there right now, I'd like to keep that option open.

I'll post up a new rendering in the next day or two.

WhatThaFrig - Sure, everyone's got their price :pimp:



Oh, and the stripper pole is going in the other garage when I fix it up with a bar, haha :beer:
 

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Jason, my name is Jason :thumbup: and used to work in Bowling Green, and I really miss south-central KY a lot. Looks like you got a nice place! keep up wih the posts! Good luck!
 
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akjason

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Finally got some time to mess with the layout some more. Moving the shelves onto this wall allowed me to increase the height about a foot because of where the trusses are at.
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And I have an extended cab long bed truck that'll fit without moving anything from along the back wall, with about 18" left to spare. It's tight, but the truck will only be in there for things like oil changes. The jeep is much shorter, plenty of room to move around it :)
 

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You can move the air compressor up to the rafters and it will be out of the way. Then use the hose reel.
 

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Jason - its great to see another from central Ky on here!! Glad to see you getting to work on your Man Cave.

I think I'd be considering another option for tire storage. Maybe mount em from the ceiling so they dont eat up so much floorspace.

Lookin forward to following along.
 
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The compressor in the rafters is an interesting idea, but I tend to loan it out so that wouldn't work so well (my buddies and I borrow each other's tools all the time). And I thought about hoisting the tires up to the ceiling, but they're 95lbs each, so I'd be hanging about 500lbs from the rafters by the time you count the frame and everything. I'd rather not bother. I've been stacking them vertical on a furniture dolly (you can see them stacked in one of the pictures), and they're fairly mobile that way, but lifting that last one up to eye level by hand will get me hurt one of these days. I swap tires about twice a month for rides, so it's not like I can put them up in the rafters one by one somehow for the winter.
 
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I forgot to add that I like the closed in compressor idea. Just be sure to allow for ventilation, as I'm sure you know, those things get hot when your working em hard.

I like the Fancy Pants CAD layout too - wish I had the time/talent to do that for mine. I'm going to be forced to 'wing' it and be limited to what I see in my own mind.. haha
 
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Yup, you can see orange rectangles on the sides/door of the compressor cabinet - those are standard HVAC registers for ventilation :beer:
 

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I wouldn't put anything in that attic, they are on 4'oc and are way undersized. Just a heads up. Nice garage...I'm jealous and I'm in the planning stage for mine.
 
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Thanks for the heads up. I agree, it won't hold too much weight. The previous owner had stuff up there, but I have no idea what. If I put anything up there it would be just the soft top for the jeep and some cardboard (to lay down when changing oil, etc).

I was thinking of removing the plywood to open it up more for a ceiling fan or two. The garage has ridgeline venting, and a gable vent on either side (although the back one is half covered by plywood that wasn't cut out when it was installed). I've been wanting to install gable vent fans, anyone have any good suggestions?
 

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My only suggestion would be to get the tires up on a wall rack to free up floor space. I put mine on a rack over the workbench. It's been a good place, up out of the way and a place to hang lights to shine down on the bench.
 
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Ahh, updates. Here you go!

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Haven't really done any organizing, everything's pretty much just thrown onto the shelves to get it all off the floor. The tool chest is empty, waiting on some free time so I can fill it with my tools.

And brown santa just delivered a Dayton G73 heater that I'll hopefully install before the end of winter :rolleyes:
 
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My only suggestion would be to get the tires up on a wall rack to free up floor space. I put mine on a rack over the workbench. It's been a good place, up out of the way and a place to hang lights to shine down on the bench.
I'd love to get them off the floor, but no way I'm going to be able to lift them higher than chest height by hand. I'm thinking of building a simple lean-to/shed to put them outside in the breezeway between the garage and house. But realistically they'll probably stay stacked on the furniture dolly like you can see in one of the pics.
 

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but no way I'm going to be able to lift them higher than chest height by hand. I
There's a cheap and simple answer. I use a HF 110VAC winch. They're often on sale for <$50. It works for me, and I can lift/lower and place a set of tires in about 5 minutes with no fuss, no muss, and little effort. I even used the winch to lift up a new spare 20hp B&S lawn tractor engine for storage that you see in the picture, to the right. It's one of the best investments I've made in the garage.

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There's a cheap and simple answer. I use a HF 110VAC winch. They're often on sale for <$50. It works for me, and I can lift/lower and place a set of tires in about 5 minutes with no fuss, no muss, and little effort. I even used the winch to lift up a new spare 20hp B&S lawn tractor engine for storage that you see in the picture, to the right. It's one of the best investments I've made in the garage.

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ok, THAT is cool, we need MORE (&bigger) pics of that and the tram-way you set it up on. :thumbup:
 

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ok, THAT is cool, we need MORE (&bigger) pics of that and the tram-way you set it up on.
Uh... no, you don't... it's only a temp tram using an electrical tie-down that was left over from the garage build.

Essentially what I did was to put a 2X6 across three of the truss stringers, pre-drilled and using lag-bolts. That spreads the weight each stringer must support.

The bar I'm using isn't great; it's difficult to slide the winch back and forth across it's length. I modified this for the other side of the garage using a section of 10'X1" EMT on the other side of the garage. It's used to lift 40lbs bags of pellets up to the pellet pallet which is 5' above the floor. It holds 3 tons of pellets. The winch saves my back every fall when I lay in the pellets for the winter. This set up works much better and I'll be replicating it above the tire rack. Till I get a little more money... I swap the winch from side to side. Hopefully soon HF will put the winch on sale and I'll buy a second one and install it for the pellets.

One little thing I've found is that this is a pretty good place for the winch. I've used it to hoist up and down a TF999 Jeep transmission as well as my Craftsman 5/24 Tracked snow-blower up onto a roll-around workbench.

It's come in much more handy than I could have ever thought.
 

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a winch is the only way to lift these kind of tires. all you car guys are missing how much they weigh. and he's got "little" 38's on light wheels. it's not uncommon for offroad tires/wheels to get to 200 lbs per corner. they way you're got them stacked is the best way i've found. but i can only stack mine 2 tall. they are 150lbs per corner.
 

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Akjason, haven't seen anything in a long time, and I happen to know the place is different. Show us what 4 years has done?

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