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I picked this up in Walden, NY on Sunday morning. Got back today and got it off the truck and into the garage for a quick photo shoot before I was needed elsewhere.

Here it is in the back of the truck.
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I have seen Jack Olsen move large, heavy objects. His methods are smart and refined. Mine are brutish and dumb. I did some rudimentary tests to make sure the setup was stable, and kept my body out of the way, but it's still an embarrassing thing, how I did this.
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Missing headlight lens, perhaps other parts. Those will be fun to find!
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First shot of the ugly stuff. Things here are clearly broken and/or missing. I am going to need help figuring out what needs to be done.
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Wow; that's an ugly repair.
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When I tipped it over the get shots of the underside, oil came out of the hole on the bolted-down cover on top. Normal?
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Here it is next to the Asian jack I have been using for years. That jack works ok, except for a release valve that you can't finesse; you struggle to turn the handle and then all of a sudden, WHAM, your car is down. No pride of ownership in it, either, unlike the Blackhawk, which makes my pants feel tight.
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At first, I thought that maybe someone had taped stuff to the handle to protect a car's bumper from getting dinged. I hadn't actually even noticed the paper when I bought or loaded the jack on Sunday. Could not see the forest for the trees, I guess.
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Upon removing the tape and paper, I discovered that it was an envelope with an invoice inside from 1987 for work done to the jack. A "kit" was installed, as well as oil, to the tune of a total bill of $121.01. Decent money for 1987. Wonder of I need a kit, if it had one twenty years ago. Hiball will guide me! :)
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I bought the jack from a guy whose great-uncle had purchased it new after WWII when he opened a service garage. The last name of the family is on the receipt for the 1987 work. So, it's a one-family jack, which is kind of cool.
 
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Excellent!

Dave, did your little furrin' jack Pee itself upon dragging that big Blackhawk in? :)

Nicely done Sir!

Rob
 

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Looks Good Dave... Ill see what i can do to get that Release mechanism working again.
 
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cool, i dig the headlight and the history

Thanks Mike. I dig those things, too.

That head light is way cool. Nice find Bull.

Thanks. I forgot to mention I only paid $50 for this, which makes it an even nicer find in my mind. The headlight is cool, but might be more trouble than it is worth to get working again, especially if in the end it is more decoration that function. I'll see how a quick parts search goes.

Excellent!

Dave, did your little furrin' jack Pee itself upon dragging that big Blackhawk in? :)

Nicely done Sir!

Rob

Thanks Rob. I heard a whimpering noise, and thought it might be one of the cats freaking out about the monster being dragged into the garage. But I believe it might have been little Shinn-Fu (believe that is actually the company name) the foreign jack. He knows he is about to be relegated to the scrap heap or the shadows.

Looks Good Dave... Ill see what i can do to get that Release mechanism working again.

Can you tell from the pics alone what is broken or missing, Steve? Does the number of the kit on the receipt mean anything to you?

Sweet jack. Will look super when finished.

Better watch out for that cat, it's eyeing your jack with bad intent:pimpflash

I agree that it will look great when finished, whenever that is!

if the car does to the jack what she did to get banished to the garage in the first place, I will be just a wee bit upset.

You need a 2ton shop crane. Great for getting heavy things out of the back of trucks. :thumbup:

Funny you mention that. On the long ride home, I was trying to figure out what method I was going to use to get the jack out. I thought of your orange 2-ton HF crane, which I had seen in a thread this morning. But, I'm not that well equipped.
 

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Can you tell from the pics alone what is broken or missing, Steve? Does the number of the kit on the receipt mean anything to you?

I believe the S4 used a Flex Cable to link the Release know to the actual Unit, Im away from my Blackhawk books currently. It looks like someone cobbled something up to allow you to release the jack, Im sure CRTDI will chime in, He has a S4 also.
 
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That's EXACTLY how I move stuff. :)

Yeah, right! Even if the fundamentals are the same, your ramp lumber would be all knot-free and oiled, or you'd have some stainless glide-and-slide setup to get the jack down, and there would be no cast-off tires keeping the ramp from kicking out! You also would not have the remains of a derelict chicken shed in the background :lol_hitti:beer:

I believe the S4 used a Flex Cable to link the Release know to the actual Unit, Im away from my Blackhawk books currently. It looks like someone cobbled something up to allow you to release the jack, Im sure CRTDI will chime in, He has a S4 also.

I'll be patient, Steve, for both you and CRTDI to give me your thoughts. Step one is to identify and source missing parts. Step two is to decide whether it needs a new kit. Step three is to break down and refinish all the pieces, in which case a new kit might be necessary anyway, since you probably don't reassemble a jack with used seals and whatnot.
 

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I did some rudimentary tests to make sure the setup was stable, and kept my body out of the way, but it's still an embarrassing thing, how I did this.
Is your name bull goldburg?
 

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You didn't drop it, right?? I'd say you did good getting it off. Now, if you busted a couple parts dropping it off the ramp, well.... :)
 
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As long as it works and nobody sees ya doing eh!

I don't think anyone saw me. Besides, folks around here don't like to use their hands for anything more than pushing pencils around or punching buttons on a key board. They wouldn't know whether I was doing this the correct way, anyway. But folks here...they know what's redneck and what isn't!

You didn't drop it, right?? I'd say you did good getting it off. Now, if you busted a couple parts dropping it off the ramp, well.... :)

Nope, nothing dropped. It actually slid down very easily and without incident. :)
 

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Outside of jack Olsen, most of us here in Los Angeles use mexicans to get heavy stuff out of the back of our truck. I dont figure you have a lot of mexican laborers up there in Ma. Kidding, what did the cat think of the new jack?
 
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This is an uppity, whacko college town. Labor is frowned upon.

The cat is not taking much interest. She can't eat it, play with it, or sleep on it, so it's an epic fail as far as she's concerned.

Outside of jack Olsen, most of us here in Los Angeles use mexicans to get heavy stuff out of the back of our truck. I dont figure you have a lot of mexican laborers up there in Ma. Kidding, what did the cat think of the new jack?
 

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Fine. Now I want one.
Dammit.

How much does the thing weigh?!

I've got a decent engine hoist that I use to get really heavy things out of the truck. Wouldn't be without it.

-Brad
 

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Bull, one day i hope to sit down and enjoy a nice beverage of your liking with you and shoot the sh@# with you in person. You are all right in my book.
 
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Fine. Now I want one.
Dammit.

How much does the thing weigh?!

I've got a decent engine hoist that I use to get really heavy things out of the truck. Wouldn't be without it.
-Brad

You of all people need one! CRDTI estimated it weighed 150lbs, but the owner of the jack thought that was a high figure. From a squatting position, I believe I could have picked it up solo, no problem. But, I recalled a thread on here recently in which Busted Knuckles mentioned wrenching his back doing some lifting from his truck, and so I decided to be safe. I thought about using my engine hoist, but that's in a separate barn, with lawn in between. I would have had to muscle the pieces of the hoist around the obstacles in the old barn and then across the lawn to the driveway, assemble it, then use it. Too much time!

Bull, one day i hope to sit down and enjoy a nice beverage of your liking with you and shoot the sh@# with you in person. You are all right in my book.

Hey, until then, here is a virtual brew :beer:
 

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That is a beautiful piece of equipment Dave. Awesome find indeed. Sure hope you can bring it back to its former glory.

To bad those don't fit in a medium flat rate box. ;)
 
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Thank you, Bard.

Maybe I can find another one for you and put it on a pallet with your Herbrand breaker that I am holding :lol_hitti

That is a beautiful piece of equipment Dave. Awesome find indeed. Sure hope you can bring it back to its former glory.

To bad those don't fit in a medium flat rate box. ;)
 

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I bought the jack from a guy whose great-uncle had purchased it new after WWII when he opened a service garage. The last name of the family is on the receipt for the 1987 work. So, it's a one-family jack, which is kind of cool.[/QUOTE]

I thought of you last Sat. when I spotted a dirty yellow Blackhawk service jack at an auction I attended. It looked bigger then your smaller one and I think it went for around $20. Elk Grove Ill.
 

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Ooh La La,......now that's what I call a great looking jack!....:drool:..:drool:..:thumbup:.

I'm glad you finally picked it up. I think you're going to have some fun with your new acquistion.

Bull, I'm flattered that you would even be interested in my input about your new jack. I am by no means an expert on your jack or on any other for that matter. However, I am a bit obsessed by these old Blackhawk jacks and I'm just trying to learn as I go.

Here are a couple of pics of what the control valve release joints should look like:

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With the handle removed:

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I think that your hydraulic reservoir/light cover has had the original attaching hardware replaced with some non-standard and maybe over sized hardware. Also notice the tabs on the forward two bolts, mine are backwards and should be turned around to secure the cast hydraulic unit cover plate. I can't say for sure if that hole is supposed to be in your reservoir/light cover plate, but mine does not appear to have it.

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The "T" handle seems to be a weak point on these jacks, I've seen a couple of these that have been broken. Your front wheels and your rear casters look to be in good shape, a big plus for sure. And overall your new jack looks to be in nice shape. I think you did great for fifty bucks :thumbup:

I stand by my original estimate of the weight for an S-4. I believe it is every bit of 150 lbs. Feel free to put it on a scale to let us know for sure. My back will thank you...:bounce:
 
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Thanks for the images, CRTDI. Looks like I am missing some key components. What are the odds that I will be able to source them? Maybe I could get resident machinist-master AP-Mech to whip something up using originals as templates....
 

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Thanks for the images, CRTDI. Looks like I am missing some key components. What are the odds that I will be able to source them? Maybe I could get resident machinist-master AP-Mech to whip something up using originals as templates....

+1 David, Thanks for the Pics, Dave i dont forsee a problem with getting your Release knob connected to the Unit. I have some old swivels sections along with a jack that might have the actual piece. Alot of these old Blackhawks share some similar parts so Anything is Possible. As David (Crtdi) Mentioned the Handles did have some weak spots and i actually have a One in my shop that has been welded at the Base on the Fork area.
 

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Nice find Bull! :) And the story is very interesting. Looks like its a 4-ton jack. I'll be watching to learn so it might help me rebuild a couple of old Walker 867s in the Spring. Too cold for me right now and paint needs at least 60 degrees to cure properly.

Good luck,
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Thanks for the images, CRTDI. Looks like I am missing some key components. What are the odds that I will be able to source them? Maybe I could get resident machinist-master AP-Mech to whip something up using originals as templates....

Bull, the hard component parts on all of the old Blackhawk jacks are obsolete.:( Replacement parts will either have to come from a donor jack or have to be fabricated. Sourcing the hard component parts is probably the biggest issue with the Blackhawks. When considering any of the old jacks for purchase. Original complete jacks that just need a hydraulic rebuild kit always trump an incomplete or busted jack that someone has modded to make work.
 

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You of all people need one! CRDTI estimated it weighed 150lbs, but the owner of the jack thought that was a high figure. From a squatting position, I believe I could have picked it up solo, no problem. But, I recalled a thread on here recently in which Busted Knuckles mentioned wrenching his back doing some lifting from his truck, and so I decided to be safe. I thought about using my engine hoist, but that's in a separate barn, with lawn in between. I would have had to muscle the pieces of the hoist around the obstacles in the old barn and then across the lawn to the driveway, assemble it, then use it. Too much time!

Go get four pneumatic tires--two swivel, two fixed. Weld them to stubs of box tubing that will slide into the ends of your engine hoist's feet, which are usually box tubing.
The air-filled tires will be taller than the casters, so it'll raise them off the ground.

You now have an off-road engine hoist.

-Brad
 
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Go get four pneumatic tires--two swivel, two fixed. Weld them stubs of box tubing that will slide into the ends of your engine hoist's feet, which are usually box tubing.
The air-filled tires will be taller than the casters, so it'll raise them off the ground.

You now have an off-road engine hoist.

-Brad

GREAT idea!!!

later jim
 
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Do you fellas have a parts breakdown schematic that shows each part of these jacks, with the original part numbers?
 
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Yeah I should have a copy, I'll look after the holidays.

Thanks, Steve. Also, get some sleep. You are on here as late or later than I am most days, and I know I am dog-*** tired. :lol_hitti
 

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Thanks, Steve. Also, get some sleep. You are on here as late or later than I am most days, and I know I am dog-*** tired. :lol_hitti

Lol... I'm in Kansas city waiting for my train, I slept this afternoon so I'm wired for sound. Not to mention my Mu tigers took down those fighting illini tonight in the braggin rights game.
 
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Ahh...well, I did NOT get to sleep this afternoon and I'm getting up early. Time for me to check out for a few hours.

Hope the train arrives on time for ya. :)

Lol... I'm in Kansas city waiting for my train, I slept this afternoon so I'm wired for sound. Not to mention my Mu tigers took down those fighting illini tonight in the braggin rights game.
 
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