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Slightly off topic bit I have one of these..

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It is a solid silver "Yard-o-led" propelling pencil from 1940's onwards (mine is 60's i think). The old ones were made by hand in England and had very fine engraving. Lots of different designs and matching pens too.

The company is now owned by filofax and they still sell the pencils.

The more I see that the more I want one... Are there any Sterling ones being made now or just the plated ones?
 
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toolchanger777

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There all plated ( i think) and go vintage, you'll be happier knowing someone from the 1940's once held it:D
 

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I don't own any black powder firearms and I don't have a horse. Nor do I own a fountain pen. I don't generally prefer obsolete equipment. Of course if someone is into collecting, more power to them.

Knuckle-dragging ****** that I am, I tend to chew the tops off of my pens and those metal fountain pens would probably be hard on my teef! :lol_hitti
 

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Kind of a long story - but it fits with Cars and Garages

The pen that may have changed the automotive industry....

I had the pleasure of spending five days last Sept. with Yoshihiko Matsuo. Mr. Matsuo was the Chief of Design in charge of Sports Car Styling Studio #4, Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. Japan between 1965 and 1974. He is the Designer of the Datsun 240Z.

As we were talking about all things related to the design, development and production of the Datsun 240Z circa 1969-1973, I ask him how he came to be a "Designer" in the first place.

Mr, Matsuo took out his pen {a Parker 21} and related the following story - - as he began to draw...Like most designers I've met, they can't talk without drawing pictures of the subject at the same time...

= = = = = = =
{ I para phrase}
Mr. Matsuo said
When I was in middle school {grades 6-9 in Japan} it was after the war, around 1948-1951. Japan was just starting to recover from the horrible destruction of war, everything seemed so bleak. The Americans that were still in Japan however were not filled with hate for their former enemy, but rather filled with optimism for both their and our future. I wondered why.

From newspapers and magazines of the time - America seemed like a wondrous place. It seemed to be at the peak of American innovation and manufacturing. I saw an advertisement for the Parker 51 Fountain Pens. I was amazed!! The colors, the style, the shape, the materials - never before seen in Japan. What a wondrous and amazing place America was, to have so much talent that it could be applied to something as old and traditional as a fountain pen. {see DipPen3.jpg below}

Everything was so far ahead of the rest of the world in its design. All traditions and old ways of thinking and doing - seemed to have been cast aside. At that point I knew that is what I wanted to do - to become a Designer and help Japan catch up. From that point forward, I always tried to force myself to "rethink" everything I saw. I'd ask myself "if I were designing an item that performed the same function today - what would I do differently, how would I make it both do the function it was supposed to do and at the same time be so appealing that everyone would want one".
= = = = = = = = = = = = =

About 15 years later, Mr. Matsuo had his chance to rethink the traditional Sports Cars of the 50's and early 60's. The end result was the Datsun 240Z. An automobile that many automotive historians believe changed the American consumers perception of Japanese Automobiles, from that of small and cheap transportation - - to that of world class design, engineering and performance. Thus making it not only acceptable to buy a Datsun or Toyota of the time.... but downright smart to get all the "value" out of your hard earned cash as possible.

As Mr. Matsuo finished telling us that story, I pointed to his pen and ask; "is that a Parker 51?" He laughed and said - "No no - this is a cheaper version, the Parker 21 - I could never afford the Parker 51 - it was much more expensive and better made. Metal cap instead of plastic, strong body, real gold plating...

When I returned home from our visit - I found a good Parker 51 Pen/Pencil Set on the Internet {Circa 1949} - and sent it to him as a gift. Mr. Matsuo is now a very young 75 years old. He is NOT a computer nor Internet user. He was amazed that I found such a rare item.

Where the Parker Pen's were the most innovative tools used to capture and exchange ideas among the masses 60 years ago - it is the Internet that is used to capture and exchange innovative ideas today.

FWIW,
Carl B.
 

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When I bought my house...during the closing I left with my pockets stuffed with the mortgage co. logo pens...

Pen snobs need not jump me for posting about a ballpoint....I'm impervious to it...


I have quite a collection of pens. Most of mine say Conway National Bank, NAPA, Conway Medical Center and MUSC.
 
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Kind of a long story - but it fits with Cars and Garages

The pen that may have changed the automotive industry....

I had the pleasure of spending five days last Sept. with Yoshihiko Matsuo. Mr. Matsuo was the Chief of Design in charge of Sports Car Styling Studio #4, Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. Japan between 1965 and 1974. He is the Designer of the Datsun 240Z.

As we were talking about all things related to the design, development and production of the Datsun 240Z circa 1969-1973, I ask him how he came to be a "Designer" in the first place.

Mr, Matsuo took out his pen {a Parker 21} and related the following story - - as he began to draw...Like most designers I've met, they can't talk without drawing pictures of the subject at the same time...

= = = = = = =
{ I para phrase}
Mr. Matsuo said
When I was in middle school {grades 6-9 in Japan} it was after the war, around 1948-1951. Japan was just starting to recover from the horrible destruction of war, everything seemed so bleak. The Americans that were still in Japan however were not filled with hate for their former enemy, but rather filled with optimism for both their and our future. I wondered why.

From newspapers and magazines of the time - America seemed like a wondrous place. It seemed to be at the peak of American innovation and manufacturing. I saw an advertisement for the Parker 51 Fountain Pens. I was amazed!! The colors, the style, the shape, the materials - never before seen in Japan. What a wondrous and amazing place America was, to have so much talent that it could be applied to something as old and traditional as a fountain pen. {see DipPen3.jpg below}

Everything was so far ahead of the rest of the world in its design. All traditions and old ways of thinking and doing - seemed to have been cast aside. At that point I knew that is what I wanted to do - to become a Designer and help Japan catch up. From that point forward, I always tried to force myself to "rethink" everything I saw. I'd ask myself "if I were designing an item that performed the same function today - what would I do differently, how would I make it both do the function it was supposed to do and at the same time be so appealing that everyone would want one".
= = = = = = = = = = = = =

About 15 years later, Mr. Matsuo had his chance to rethink the traditional Sports Cars of the 50's and early 60's. The end result was the Datsun 240Z. An automobile that many automotive historians believe changed the American consumers perception of Japanese Automobiles, from that of small and cheap transportation - - to that of world class design, engineering and performance. Thus making it not only acceptable to buy a Datsun or Toyota of the time.... but downright smart to get all the "value" out of your hard earned cash as possible.

As Mr. Matsuo finished telling us that story, I pointed to his pen and ask; "is that a Parker 51?" He laughed and said - "No no - this is a cheaper version, the Parker 21 - I could never afford the Parker 51 - it was much more expensive and better made. Metal cap instead of plastic, strong body, real gold plating...

When I returned home from our visit - I found a good Parker 51 Pen/Pencil Set on the Internet {Circa 1949} - and sent it to him as a gift. Mr. Matsuo is now a very young 75 years old. He is NOT a computer nor Internet user. He was amazed that I found such a rare item.

Where the Parker Pen's were the most innovative tools used to capture and exchange ideas among the masses 60 years ago - it is the Internet that is used to capture and exchange innovative ideas today.

FWIW,
Carl B.

Wow, thanks for that incredible story. :bowdown: That is something i will never forget!:beer:
 

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Carl B: welcome to the forum! A fabulous first post to boot! That is a very cool story. How intertwined life is in so many ways. Thank you very much for sharing.

Kenwc: gorgeous work!
 

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Hello brando090 / jvitez
Thanks - I'm glad you found it interesting. Life is indeed very intertwined.... Someone earlier in the Thread mentioned cheap plastic fountain pens - - when in fact they represented world class design and technology. All delivered at very affordable prices.

While this was my first Post - I've been lurking here for about 5 years. Presently "re-arranging" my garage. After 40 years of saving everything in case it would be needed at some point in the future - - well the future is here - and for the most part not much has been needed. So it's been clean out time.. Might as well refresh the garage at this point as well.

I'm 66 this year - but every time I see the words - Fountain Pen - I can remember like it was just yesterday - the day my Mother took me to get my first Fountain Pen. I was in the Fifth Grade {1955} and the course in Penmanship required the use of a Fountain Pen. This was "Adult" stuff... I was no longer a "child"... I could now handle scissors with "Sharp Points" and Fountain Pens with points!

Our family was not wealthy - in fact we were pretty poor. There was an Office Supply store in our home town. I had been there a couple times with Dad to pick up office supplies, like typewriter ribbon and ink erasers. This time however Mon and I were going there for something - - for ME.

After looking at several lower cost options {all of which were expensive by our standards} my Mother told the clerk. "we'll take this set". I was shocked!! It was the most expensive set they had - a Sheaffer White Dot Snorkel - Pen and Pencil Set.

For the first time in my life - I had something in that one class - "Penmanship" - that wasn't a hand-me-down from my older sister and brother, or purchased used. I had something completely NEW and in fact - better than anyone else in the class.

Try as I might - my Penmanship in the 5th Grade was "C" average at best. I simply lacked the eye/hand coordination. Over the years that followed... my penmanship/handwriting actually got worse. Compounding the situation - I never learned to SPELL. So I would scribble words to hind the fact that I didn't know how to spell them. In High School - I had to PRINT everything in the Drafting Class... but there I could use a Dictionary at any time, and we used easily erasable lead pencils :) So I put the Fountain Pen away.

In spite of all that - I was able to make it through by B.S. and M.S. in college. Helped along because I always dated English Majors :) But the truth is - my Mother buying me that Fountain Pen / Pencil Set when she did - gave me a deeply felt obligation to stay in school. Yes - I still have that set.

As for Mr. Matsuo - his penmanship is near PERFECT.

This is a great site with some amazing people contributing.

FWIW,
Carl
 

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i can't really say that i use any in the garage, but i do have several that i use whenever i write beyond scribble. for most writing, i have a rotring 900 and a 600 that i like. when i want it to feel like a special note, i bust out the graf v. faber.

favorite formal ink is probably herbin violette pensee. there's a blue/black pelikan and a green i use regularly too.

...man, you guys are into all kinds of stuff. who knew.
 

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Carl B: wow! Penmanship class. It sounds like a 19th century topic, kind of like my learning to type on a manual typewriter! Ribbon, erasers, fountain pens. Wow do I feel old for knowing and having used these things. At least fountain pens still maintain a retro cool about them. I'm using mine at work for a long as I can until they bring in voice recognition software and we have to dictate everything.

Kids these days have no idea the pleasure that can be had by a special experience like yours with your Mom and the pen set. So many years later it still has a special place in your mind and brings happy thoughts. Will my kids think the same about the Wii they got for X-mas, or my son's Nintendo DSi? Hardly.

Penmanship class. Hmmm. It was gone when I went to school, and my writing is OK. Some of my colleagues: I swear they took a course in Sumerian runes. But a young man I work with uses fountain pens, and he has very nice writing. It's good to see some young'uns still interested in classic things.

Vive la stylo!

BTW, I'm not affiliated, but I've ordered from them, and they ship internationally too: www.stylo.ca

Of course, the mother ship: www.fountainpenhospital.com
 
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Carl B: wow! Penmanship class. It sounds like a 19th century topic, kind of like my learning to type on a manual typewriter! Ribbon, erasers, fountain pens. Wow do I feel old for knowing and having used these things. At least fountain pens still maintain a retro cool about them. I'm using mine at work for a long as I can until they bring in voice recognition software and we have to dictate everything.

Of course, the mother ship: www.fountainpenhospital.com

I used to use all those things until last year...

Also FPH is a great place to get pens or accessories.
 
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Here are two pens i will be buying soon. The black one is an Imperial and the green one is a hard to find olive green Parker 45.

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the PEN IS mightier!!!

I don't see how this thread is tool/garage related
 
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I never asked for a Mont Blanc. You said you had a Mont Blanc so i asked for pictures, well it came to be that it was just a generic cheap stainless steal fountain pen. You'd be amazed the things people find for free, on the curb, or on craigslist to little or nothing.
 

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I used a flee market purchased Waterman all through highschool ... and for college, my parents bought me a new Sheaffer. I don't think it's been out of it's box more than twice. As for penmanship ... dragging your hand in the ink was never a problem ... since if your hand rested on the paper as you wrote in our class ... you'd soon be sucking sore knuckles. And today, they're not even teaching cursive anymore, never mind proper pen control.
 
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I used a flee market purchased Waterman all through highschool ... and for college, my parents bought me a new Sheaffer. I don't think it's been out of it's box more than twice. As for penmanship ... dragging your hand in the ink was never a problem ... since if your hand rested on the paper as you wrote in our class ... you'd soon be sucking sore knuckles. And today, they're not even teaching cursive anymore, never mind proper pen control.

Do you know what kind of Waterman it may be?
 

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Just when I thought I'd seen it all, this thread comes along.
Fountain pens? Are you guys SERIOUS?
What do you do for fun, push a hoop down a dirt road with a stick? Wait, actually that does have a certain appeal to it...
 
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Just when I thought I'd seen it all, this thread comes along.
Fountain pens? Are you guys SERIOUS?
What do you do for fun, push a hoop down a dirt road with a stick? Wait, actually that does have a certain appeal to it...

With a fountain pen, it will improve your handwriting and people from at early as the 1870's used these.
 

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Carl, good stories. I'm about 6 years behind but remember well the shaffer cartrige pens we had to use. I've got many FPs; Waterman, Shaffer, Parker and I don't know what all. Several oldies and several new ones. I like using a FP, but have come close to getting fired over it because of NCR paper, not photocopying well, bleeding ink...

Now. I use a Dell keyboard, sadly.

Stick and hoop. How about a straight razor.
 

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With a fountain pen, it will improve your handwriting and people from at early as the 1870's used these.

Improve your handwriting? No fountain pen can do that. Penmanship will do it, which is why people in the "old days" could write so clearly. Penmanship was a required subject for most students then.

So brando090, why are you not posting this topic at fountainpennetwork.com? You will get a lot more activity there Does the brando090 user account there belong to someone else?
 
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