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BWP,

Got any vintage Bonney sockets for comparison to the Hornet sockets?

The only Bonneys I have are too old to compare to this one.

It is very similar to a Danaher Craftsman as well as a Stanley Craftsman....

What I think is interesting is that the USA stamp and the Hornet stamp looks like it was done at a different time than the 9/16 and 84218 stamp...

I'm still no closer to an answer on this one... :headscrat

-BWP
 
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I hope this isn't a dumb question, but what are js brand sockets? I bought a few from a local guy for cheap. it says usa on them but I have never heard of them.
 

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A Wright Tool customer service rep told me that the Cougar line of tools were made for them by Kingsley Tools in Texas. Kingsley is owned by Danaher.

She explained that the Cougar tool line is offered as a value priced alternative to Wright tools for their customers that do not need industrial quality socket sets.

MAD,

Thanks for reposting the Wright-Couger-Kingsley/Danaher connection info above. I'm guessing that Wright-Couger, like other major tool suppliers, may have used other third party OEMs at other points in time. But, at least we know who is currently supplying Wright-Cougar.
 
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BWP,

Thanks for posting the photo of the Hornet socket. My first impression of that socket is Stanley, but that is just a wild-***-guess. Do you have other Hornet sockets or other Hornet tools? Does anybody else? If so, please post.

Note-Mopar has already posted a photo containing a vintage Hornet ratchet.
 
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Lwa42,

I have not seen any JS tools and don't know who makes them. Can you post a nice sharp photo of what you've got?
 

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BWP,

Here's a photo of some Stanley made Canadian Craftsman sockets (ST series)that look similar to your Hornet socket. Also note, they have a 4 digit model number starting with a "4". I don't know what size these sockets are, but Tool Pants might know, as he was the original poster.

CraftsmanSTsockets2.jpg


Let me know what you think...
 
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I just found one of my JS sockets... I will post pics later.

I also found two wrenches that are marked ES Tools (USA Made).. They don't look that old and the Stamping on them reminds me of the USA Made JC Penney wrenches (Penncraft make?)

-BWP
 
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Fed - you're right about Sparta being NB's economy line in the seventies to mid eighties. As far as the ratchets go, the gear mechanisms are interchangeable between the old NB's, Blackhawk's, Sparta's, and Husky's. The difference is the finish of the ratchet handles. I have a 1/4" Husky ratchet that is really really rough, but will change out with a much nicer NB without losing a step. I'm guessing Mustang is just another company brand name for the NB economy line.

Note: I have a set of Mustang brand tools. I bought them in 1959 at Wolf's department store in Cumberland Maryland. 1/2" rachet is MS 43 made in USA Patent No. 2654980 Pat Pend. 7/16 socket 1/2 " drive MT 1214, 5/8 socket 1/2" drive MT1220, and others. The rachet is shot and a couple of the sockets I broke along time ago. I still use the others. I was looking to see if they were still in business to see if I could get my rachet replaced when I ran across your forum.:shocking:
 

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I have some apex 1 inch sockets that i use for my 1 inch impact gun...post a pic when i get a sec...there at they shop after all...got them for 5 bucks at a garage sale!!!
 

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I have a 3/8 metric socket set made by True Craft. 8 and 9 mm are stamped Japan but the rest are marked USA
 
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RRrickk,
I'm glad you resurrected this old thread, or I might have missed it. I believe I can solve one of the OP's original mystery tool brand questions, based on tools I've bought while scrounging in the past year. Following are photos of a HORNET brand 1/2" drive socket set, missing a few pieces. But the key to solving the mystery here is the metal tool box that the set was found in. (See photo)
Hornetsocketset1.jpg


Each of the tools in this small box are labeled "Hornet", just like the OP's socket. (The ratchet and some of the sockets are missing from my set). The following photo shows the Hornet name stamped on the extension:
Hornetsocketset2.jpg


The metal box is painted in appropriate "bee" colors of yellow and dark brown. But more importantly, it has two old faded decals on the front side. Both are badly faded, and hard to read. But the decal on the right side clearly reads "Hornet" in the shape of a bee's body, with the stinger end to the right. Due to the poor condition, it's nearly impossible to see the "H". I ASSUME that some clever artist stylized the "H" to become part of the insect's head.
Hornetsocketset3.jpg


The other decal still bears part of two words. The bottom word is "Set", and probably used to read something like, "Set No ____". But the top word gives us a good clue to the tool manufacturer. Look at the first letter...the "W". Notice how the first half V-shape of the "W" descends lower than the second V-shape of the "W"? And see the curly-cue beneath it? Recognize that logo?
Hornetsocketset4.jpg


Of course you do. It's clearly the WILLIAMS logo. Look closely at the following photo of a Williams socket for logo comparison.
Hornetsocketset5.jpg
 
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LOL! You must have forgotten about this thread...
Lbgradwell,
You're right, I DID forget about that one. And I must have found my 1/2" drive socket set after that thread, since I posted there that I had never heard of Hornet.

Sigh. It's hell to grow old. Can't hear, can't grow hair, can't see, and can't remember sh%t! :(
 

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Well someone just had to go and revive this thread, so I'll add my .02 cents worth and post the list of ratchet brands I've come across to date - how many have you NOT heard of? More importantly, are there any missing (for ratchets/sockets)? Keep in mind that my interest/search has only been for US made, square drive, reversible (with a switch of some sort) ratchets - no push-thru's, no hex drives, etc. - so Mossberg and some other very early brands aren't on the list. And I've mostly limited myself to the standard drive sizes - 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" - 3/4" and up take up too much space, and the oddball drive sizes are just that, oddball and not usable (unless you have a complete set).

First off, the short list of USA sockets I have, but haven't seen a ratchet yet: Wilde

Of the USA made list below, the ones in red are ratchets I've seen but haven't acquired one of (yet), the rest I have at least one of:

Action
Allen
Allenite
American Forge
Armstrong
Artisan
Billings
Blackhawk
Bluegrass
Blue Point
Bog
Bon-e-Con
Bonney
Caterpillar (CAT)
Challenger
Champion
Companion
Co-op
Cornwell
Craftsman
Crescent
Cougar
Dayton
Duro Chrome
Easco
ES (may be unmarked or only marked "USA" SK sourced)
Fairmount
Filson
Firestone
Fleet
G&G
Gambles
Giller
Granco
Herbrand
Hinsdale
Hornet
Husky
Indestro
Indestro Select
Indestro Super
International Harvester
JC Penney
Jensen
John Deere
JS
KAL
KD
Kiowa
Klein
Kobalt
Kraeuter
Litton
Mac
Master Mechanic
Master Pro
Matco
Millers Falls
Mustang
Napa
NBM
New Britain
None Better
OTC
P&C
Par-X
Patriot
Penens
Penncraft
Pioneer
Plomb
Popular Mechanics
Powr-Kraft
Precision-Bilt
ProAmerica
Proto
Proto-Plomb
Reed Manufacturing
Rigid
S-K
SK Tools
S-K Wayne
Schwinn
Snap-On
SP 45
Sparta
Speedmaster
Stanley Professional
Stevens-Walden (SW)
Thorsen
Trek Tools
Tru-Test
Truth
TRW
Vi-Chrome
Vlchek
Vulcan
Walden
Walden Worcester
Wardmaster
Wards Master Quality
Westcraft
Western
Westline
Williams
Wizard
Wright
and finally, no name stamped, only "USA" or some variant

That's 108 "brands" of ratchets (and still counting)... Yeah, S-K vs SK Tools vs S-K Wayne is really pushing the limits by defining each as a separate "brand" (actually more of a different period within the evolution of the company), as one could also argue about a few other brand variations, like Walden/Walden-Worcester/Stevens Walden, Plomb/Proto-Plomb/Proto. But then again, they are technically different brand stamps.

PK
 
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An awesome list (and collection) by any measure, Keg!:thumbup:

Yeah, its kinda taken on a life of its own since I first started picking up different odd brand ratchets that were similar to ones I already had. I'm fairly sure I've reached the original goal of one ratchet for each day of the year, but I've only got 350 actually on the spreadsheet - there are more scattered around soaking/degreasing, or in parts, or waiting to be broken down for cleanup. I've long outgrown the couple of 4 drawer filmstrip cabinets I started keeping them in, and the surplus/excess wood 11 drawer chest I bought off CL isn't built strong enough to handle the weight (don't ask how I found out...). Someday I'm gonna spread 'em out and take some updated pics.
 

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Its a old set, never heard of this maker. H.J. Johnson

Snapmom,
I've got LOTS of old tools, and lots of odd brands separated into labeled bins. But no HL Johnson stuff. Very interesting!

However, I do have some wrenches labeled "Arrow" and "Made in the USA", and I see on your cardboard box that these Johnson tools were "Arrow" brand. No idea if they are related.

The cardboard box must be much more rare than the socket set. Certainly it is more fragile!

Nice stuff!
 

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First off, the short list of USA sockets I have, but haven't seen a ratchet yet: ES, Granco, TRW, Wylde

Of the USA made list below, the ones in red are ratchets I've seen but haven't acquired one of (yet), the rest I have at least one of:

Litton

PK

PK;

I just bought a TRW ratchet on here recently and it is a spot on match for the Hornet one posted above on the left side of the 8-10 ratchets.

From what I have read, the ES ratchets were made by S-K for a military contract and not marked although the sockets were. I think they are the ones that look exactly like an S-K but are unmarked completely.

Epstiens sells Granco ratchets. http://store.harryepstein.com/cp/usaratchets/2RR6.html

There is a Litton for sale on here in the classifieds too.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100931
(link has a pic of my TRW and the Litton)

-Dane
 
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...From what I have read, the ES ratchets were made by S-K for a military contract and not marked although the sockets were. I think they are the ones that look exactly like an S-K but are unmarked completely...-Dane

Now that's interesting, 'cause I recently picked up an SK ratchet that's only marked "USA" - I was pondering if it somehow missed the "SK" marking due to a line malfunction or something. Sounds like it could be an ES ratchet. I've also seen a JS ratchet that was an obvious SK (one of the fine tooth versions), although the JS I have looks to be Stanley sourced, like the Granco at Epsteins - I'd forgotten about Epstein having those. Veering a little off-topic, the sockets I've seen stamped JS, ES, Wilde, and Granco (I'm thinking/guessing are .gov contract brands) all look to me like Stanley sockets, right down to the crappy thin and light stamping/engraving.

And I see how I missed that TRW ratchet - you were quick on the draw on that one - I would've grabbed it for $15 too.

I'll edit the list to reflect the new "evidence" - I also forgot Rigid, as there's a long handle 1/2" RHFT (from Danaher/Easco) Rigid ratchet floating around out there as well.

Thanks!

PK
 

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Now that's interesting, 'cause I recently picked up an SK ratchet that's only marked "USA" - I was pondering if it somehow missed the "SK" marking due to a line malfunction or something. Sounds like it could be an ES ratchet. I've also seen a JS ratchet that was an obvious SK (one of the fine tooth versions), although the JS I have looks to be Stanley sourced, like the Granco at Epsteins - I'd forgotten about Epstein having those. Veering a little off-topic, the sockets I've seen stamped JS, ES, Wilde, and Granco (I'm thinking/guessing are .gov contract brands) all look to me like Stanley sockets, right down to the crappy thin and light stamping/engraving.

And I see how I missed that TRW ratchet - you were quick on the draw on that one - I would've grabbed it for $15 too.

I'll edit the list to reflect the new "evidence" - I also forgot Rigid, as there's a long handle 1/2" RHFT (from Danaher/Easco) Rigid ratchet floating around out there as well.

Thanks!

PK

Powderkeg,

The TRW tools were made by Williams. TRW owned Williams for a while, then sold them off when it was no longer fashionable or profitable to be a diversified conglomerate company.

This thread has turned into a gold mine for sorting out the various tool brands and OEM's. Let's keep it going. Have you revised your ratchet list yet? It would be interesting to add the OEM next to the brands and then sort by OEM. Then all the brands would be clustered into their OEM families.
 

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i saw a wrench at a garage sale that said "ram" and on the reverse side it said USA. looked exactly like a bonney wrench
 

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Note: I have a set of Mustang brand tools. I bought them in 1959 at Wolf's department store in Cumberland Maryland. 1/2" rachet is MS 43 made in USA Patent No. 2654980 Pat Pend. 7/16 socket 1/2 " drive MT 1214, 5/8 socket 1/2" drive MT1220, and others. The rachet is shot and a couple of the sockets I broke along time ago. I still use the others. I was looking to see if they were still in business to see if I could get my rachet replaced when I ran across your forum.:shocking:
I am not sure if NAPA will still honor the warranty on Mustang tools but I know you can still get New Britain and Sparta tools replaced there. I have quite a few Mustang tools and they are all just New Britain tools that are not finished nearly as nice like as was stated above but they are stout quality tools.
 

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Powderkeg,

This thread has turned into a gold mine for sorting out the various tool brands and OEM's. Let's keep it going. Have you revised your ratchet list yet? It would be interesting to add the OEM next to the brands and then sort by OEM. Then all the brands would be clustered into their OEM families.

Hi Lauver,

I actually started - emphasis on started - doing that a long while back. Thing is, it's a lot harder in practice than in theory. The problems start with the store brands that have jumped around and back and forth to different manufacturers at different periods in their respective histories. Then you throw in one manufacturer/group buying out/swallowing up others, then getting sold off or bankrupted themselves, with tooling and designs (and brands as well) getting divided up between survivors/competitors, with brands disappearing and reappearing.... well by then my head is pounding, my eyes are :eyecrazy: and I feel like I'm getting :Violent:, so I usually head for the lazy-boy and pop Hogan's Hero's or Farscape or Firefly in the DVD to recover. I've been trying to match brands with patents and manufacturers, but then every design from every manufacturer isn't/wasn't necessarily patented (or I haven't been able to find them all yet). It's actually pretty surprising some of the one's I haven't found a patent for.

I can tell you this, that New Britain was by far the most prolific producer of ratchets for other brands - 22 brands so far, mostly on Kilness patent and Fors patent ratchets. I'm thinking Wright is running a distant second, but my head is starting to pound - the lazy-boy is calling....
 

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This thread reminds me of a poster hanging in the lobby of a local community college's automotive department. On the poster it lists of of the American Automobile manufacturers ever. there's like a 100 different marques, most are long gone. It would be neat to have a similiar poster for all of the American tool brands.:thumbup:

A short detour here -

A few years ago I foot the bill to have an automotive genealogy poster like that recreated by the Towe Automotive Museum in Sacramento. They may still have a few copies.

I also have a book written in 1936 that says there were 1501 American auto manufacturers and by 1936 less than 75 remained. The book has a "roll call" of the marques.
 

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Well someone just had to go and revive this thread, so I'll add my .02 cents worth and post the list of ratchet brands I've come across to date - how many have you NOT heard of? More importantly, are there any missing (for ratchets/sockets)? Keep in mind that my interest/search has only been for US made, square drive, reversible (with a switch of some sort) ratchets - no push-thru's, no hex drives, etc. - so Mossberg and some other very early brands aren't on the list. And I've mostly limited myself to the standard drive sizes - 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" - 3/4" and up take up too much space, and the oddball drive sizes are just that, oddball and not usable (unless you have a complete set).

First off, the short list of USA sockets I have, but haven't seen a ratchet yet: Wilde

Of the USA made list below, the ones in red are ratchets I've seen but haven't acquired one of (yet), the rest I have at least one of:

Action
Allen
Allenite
American Forge
Armstrong
Artisan
Billings
Blackhawk
Bluegrass
Blue Point
Bog
Bon-e-Con
Bonney
Caterpillar (CAT)
Challenger
Champion
Companion
Co-op
Cornwell
Craftsman
Crescent
Cougar
Dayton
Duro Chrome
Easco
ES (may be unmarked or only marked "USA" SK sourced)
Fairmount
Filson
Firestone
Fleet
G&G
Gambles
Giller
Granco
Herbrand
Hinsdale
Hornet
Husky
Indestro
Indestro Select
Indestro Super
International Harvester
JC Penney
Jensen
John Deere
JS
KAL
KD
Kiowa
Klein
Kobalt
Kraeuter
Litton
Mac
Master Mechanic
Master Pro
Matco
Millers Falls
Mustang
Napa
NBM
New Britain
None Better
OTC
P&C
Par-X
Patriot
Penens
Penncraft
Pioneer
Plomb
Popular Mechanics
Powr-Kraft
Precision-Bilt
ProAmerica
Proto
Proto-Plomb
Reed Manufacturing
Rigid
S-K
SK Tools
S-K Wayne
Schwinn
Snap-On
SP 45
Sparta
Speedmaster
Stanley Professional
Stevens-Walden (SW)
Thorsen
Trek Tools
Tru-Test
Truth
TRW
Vi-Chrome
Vlchek
Vulcan
Walden
Walden Worcester
Wardmaster
Wards Master Quality
Westcraft
Western
Westline
Williams
Wizard
Wright
and finally, no name stamped, only "USA" or some variant

That's 108 "brands" of ratchets (and still counting)... Yeah, S-K vs SK Tools vs S-K Wayne is really pushing the limits by defining each as a separate "brand" (actually more of a different period within the evolution of the company), as one could also argue about a few other brand variations, like Walden/Walden-Worcester/Stevens Walden, Plomb/Proto-Plomb/Proto. But then again, they are technically different brand stamps.

PK

Maybe you should have Swench up there in red?:thumbup:
 

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and Firestone, and a whole bunch more. :thumbup:

UB,

I thought all the Firestone branded tools were made by the Plomb/Proto empire.

Or is this a case where both OEM's made Firestone tools at different points in time. If so, was NB 1st and Plomb/Proto 2nd?
 

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Hi Lauver,

I actually started - emphasis on started - doing that a long while back. Thing is, it's a lot harder in practice than in theory. The problems start with the store brands that have jumped around and back and forth to different manufacturers at different periods in their respective histories. Then you throw in one manufacturer/group buying out/swallowing up others, then getting sold off or bankrupted themselves, with tooling and designs (and brands as well) getting divided up between survivors/competitors, with brands disappearing and reappearing.... well by then my head is pounding, my eyes are :eyecrazy: and I feel like I'm getting :Violent:, so I usually head for the lazy-boy and pop Hogan's Hero's or Farscape or Firefly in the DVD to recover. I've been trying to match brands with patents and manufacturers, but then every design from every manufacturer isn't/wasn't necessarily patented (or I haven't been able to find them all yet). It's actually pretty surprising some of the one's I haven't found a patent for.

I can tell you this, that New Britain was by far the most prolific producer of ratchets for other brands - 22 brands so far, mostly on Kilness patent and Fors patent ratchets. I'm thinking Wright is running a distant second, but my head is starting to pound - the lazy-boy is calling....

PK,

Can you list the 22 brands you have linked to NB and the brands you have linked to Wright.

Thanks
 
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