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That is my absolute greatest fear. I'm not talking about flashlights or droplights that are made by an outside vendor with their name on them; I'm referring to their wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, and drive tools that they've been making at their factory in Kenosha, Wisconsin for the past 85 years.

Please help put my mind at ease; tell me that they would never consider doing such a deplorable thing. I would be absolutely heart broken if they ever did that. I'd never buy another single tool from them ever again. :(
 
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been discussed before but........the bluepoint stuff already is. my thoughts are that if the consumers buy a large amount of them and from thier competitors the will be forced to. if we as consumers don't buy them the sales numbers will be low enough they will most likely stop. before the china made bluepoint stuff they marketed a line called par-x the sales numbers wern't high enough to continue with them.
 

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They have no choice. But at this point I wouldn't go to China. Cambodia or Viet Nam are the next Chinas.
 
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Yeah I'm not too terribly concerned if their Blue-Point tools are made in China; although historically, even their Blue-Point line used to be made by all U.S. sourced vendors; I'm referring to tools that have always been made in America; like the OEXM150B; which is a 15mm combination wrench.
 
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I love Snap-on tools, but their tools would have no value to me if they were made in China. I'd be scouring eBay for American made tools.
 

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They have no choice. But at this point I wouldn't go to China. Cambodia or Viet Nam are the next Chinas.


They will make them in Mexico before China. Even Chinese are now outsourcing work to Mexico.:bowdown:
 

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That is my absolute greatest fear. I'm not talking about flashlights or droplights that are made by an outside vendor with their name on them; I'm referring to their wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, and drive tools that they've been making at their factory in Kenosha, Wisconsin for the past 85 years.

Please help put my mind at ease; tell me that they would never consider doing such a deplorable thing. I would be absolutely heart broken if they ever did that. I'd never buy another single tool from them ever again. :(

Do not loose any sleep over it and by all means, put away your crying towel.
Go ahead and pretend that Horror Freight makes top of line tools and start doing all of your tool purchases there to be prepared for the inevitable..:pimpflash
 
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SnapOn favored by lesbians around the world is not a tool company, they are a marketing company with a financing subdivision.

The tools they actually make in Kenosia will continue to be made there because of the mindset of their customer base if for no other reason. If I recall correctly the labor market in Kenosia is in SnapOn's favor and their operation is about as automated as possible.

Yea, enjoy them ************ fed VietFNam shrimp Whorehouse Willie and Mrs Clinton helped get imported to this country.
 
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Where are all you loyal Snap-on fans? I'm still waiting for you to put my fears to rest.

I buy Snap-on tools for two reasons:

1) They're ultra high quality
2) They're made in the USA

If one of those reasons ceases to exist, I'll stop buying their tools cold turkey.
 

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Where are all you loyal Snap-on fans? I'm still waiting for you to put my fears to rest.

I buy Snap-on tools for two reasons:

1) They're ultra high quality
2) They're made in the USA

If one of those reasons ceases to exist, I'll stop buying their tools cold turkey.


most of the hard line anyway........i don't know where i heard it but i thought they no longer produced tools in kenosha most of the hard line is made in tennesse.
 

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For the record, they closed the Johnson City, Tn plant this year. However, the Elizabethton, Tn plant is still operational. :) I live a few miles away from the old JC plant.

Edit: I heard once that the JC plant made screwdrivers, but I'm not 100%.
 
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yes corporate headquartes etc.......scroll to the bottom where it says "these six manufacturing locations blah blah" it lists the plants and what is made there

I see what you mean now. I'll have to do some more research and find out for sure what is being done at Kenosha, but I could have sworn they used to make tools there.

BTW, thanks for the link. :)
 

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whoop's must have hit delete when I went to edit my post mayby one to many a drink tonite lol :beer: Yea I imagine it is just a head office or some sort for snap on mexico
 

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The next couple of years will be interesting especially with the drop in the US currency. The wise advisors have started to change a tune again. Stating if you make it here and unless it has high amounts of hand labor or is extremely light, keep making it here. The lower dollar and higher shipping costs are even prompting considering bringing things back here again should be considered especially if the resources used were being shipped from here. That is why a few Chinese contracts are now being honored from Mexico for the high labor items or heavy items. Still the border town wages have risen to a point that it makes many of the southern towns in the USA attractive in price based on the stability of our government and reliability of workers.

Basically, right now for the products made in the USA without a very high labor content, I would be concerned about any company having good business sense if they were working on a move today, and certainly would be considering it a black mark when it comes to investing in their stock. The fact oil is paid for in dollars or Euro's has alot to do with the change.

The first few articles with this slant have just started to cross the web.
 
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whoop's must have hit delete when I went to edit my post mayby one to many a drink tonite lol :beer: Yea I imagine it is just a head office or some sort for snap on mexico

it's listed as snap on/sun.......snap on owns sun diagnostic equipment now so my guess is thats where sun scopes are now made!
 
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MarkH,

Is it conceivable in your mind of Snap-on moving all or any of their manufacturing facilities offshore to countries such as Taiwan/China?
 
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I was just thinking - maybe Snap-on uses union labor and that will keep them producing tools in the USA for a little while longer, hopefully. :dunno:
 

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They will do whatever it takes to make money. That's the bottom line. I hope they continue to keep the Chinese made stuff under the Blue Point banner and not dillute the Snap on brand but, no one knows. Look what happened to Mac tools. I guess it is the duty of every American to go out and buy only US made tools. I doubt if that's going to happen, too many people love Harbor Freight.
 

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We may reach a point that US-made tools are expensive boutique items, beyond the reach of the common man who actually uses them to make a living. Look at what people pay for Harley's, the ******** biker types can't get loans for $30K bikes, you see Dr's and lawyers riding them now, trying to look badass.
 

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We may reach a point that US-made tools are expensive boutique items, beyond the reach of the common man who actually uses them to make a living. Look at what people pay for Harley's, the ******** biker types can't get loans for $30K bikes, you see Dr's and lawyers riding them now, trying to look badass.


******** bikers don't buy new bikes.....they build choppers and pay cash. no papertrail.
 

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And Harley just reopened after a 2 week plant closure because of inventory backup.

When you factor in all the EPA bullcrap, and what that does for the plating industry, like a cost increase by a factor of 10, along with the OSHA costs, insurance costs, and employee benefit cost how in hell long can any manufacturer continue in the US?

Don't forget very little actual US mainland labor is required to paste a Made in USA label on any product.

Every manufacturer's primary obligation is to maximize profit to it's stockholder, and any CEO who doesn't will find his *** looking for a new job fast.
 

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US business is so geared toward producing profits THIS quarter that they lose sight of any long-term goals. In the near term, it makes perfect sense, from a finance and marketing perspective, to cheapen your product and ride on the good will the company name built up over the last 80 years...charge the same price for a cheaper product and, for several years anyway, the money rolls in, long enough for the CEO COO and CFO to get rich and go on to their next venture.
 

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US business is so geared toward producing profits THIS quarter that they lose sight of any long-term goals. In the near term, it makes perfect sense, from a finance and marketing perspective, to cheapen your product and ride on the good will the company name built up over the last 80 years...charge the same price for a cheaper product and, for several years anyway, the money rolls in, long enough for the CEO COO and CFO to get rich and go on to their next venture.

yep thats the corporate "leave the mess for the next guy" mentality thats ruining this country!
 
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I look at it this way:

Snap-on and other companies like it have been around since the start of the American industrial revolution. The strong heat treated steel that they manufacture their wrenches and other tools out of represent the strength of the red blooded American. If we go and allow such a precious American icon to fall to the accommodations of the Chinese, we may as well go ahead and take the American flag down and hoist a Chinese flag in its place at the nation's capital building in Washington, D.C.
 

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I look at it this way:

Snap-on and other companies like it have been around since the start of the American industrial revolution. The strong heat treated steel that they manufacture their wrenches and other tools out of represent the strength of the red blooded American. If we go and allow such a precious American icon to fall to the accommodations of the Chinese, we may as well go ahead and take the American flag down and hoist a Chinese flag in its place at the nation's capital building in Washington, D.C.

kruschev said america will fall without a shot being fired. he may have been right!
 

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I look at it this way:

Snap-on and other companies like it have been around since the start of the American industrial revolution. The strong heat treated steel that they manufacture their wrenches and other tools out of represent the strength of the red blooded American. If we go and allow such a precious American icon to fall to the accommodations of the Chinese, we may as well go ahead and take the American flag down and hoist a Chinese flag in its place at the nation's capital building in Washington, D.C.

Are you for real?
 

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Let’s summarize, and this isn’t only about Snap On. First of all, how was your great country built? By the hard work of Americans, not foreign labor! Then labor unions came into effect because of unfair labor practices and unsafe working conditions. What do we want, a polluted environment, so we can compete with China. Is it okay to go to work and not know if your coming home alive. Consumer driven products, the cheaper the better. How many Chinese buy Snap On tools? How many Americans are out of work because our thirst for cheaper and cheaper goods. Why don’t the CEO’s and the shareholders live in China? It’s all about profits and nothing else! Governments don’t care about the average Joe, corporate America runs the show! Governments are supposed to be for the people, something they forgot along the way. Sure, I like to save a little cash too on my purchases, but at what cost. A quote from Bob White former president of CAW, “How many cars do those robots buy” I my humble option, we are the ones to blame, stop buying offshore! Keep jobs in America where they belong and invest in ourselves not China!
 
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I my humble option, we are the ones to blame, stop buying offshore! Keep jobs in America where they belong and invest in ourselves not China!

You are very much right; we have no one to blame but the U.S. consumer. If everyone in this country were as fanatical as I am, the Chinese would go broke very quickly. :evil:
 
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In July 2003, Snap-on announced it would close factories in Kenosha and Mt. Carmel, Ill., resulting in about 560 permanent layoffs. In December 2003, the company shut down its Elkhorn factory, resulting in the elimination of an additional 80 jobs.

Snap-on continues to employ 350 workers at a factory in Milwaukee.

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Well, they used to have a manufacturing facility in Kenosha at one time anyway.
 

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Let’s summarize, and this isn’t only about Snap On. First of all, how was your great country built? By the hard work of Americans, not foreign labor! Then labor unions came into effect because of unfair labor practices and unsafe working conditions. What do we want, a polluted environment, so we can compete with China. Is it okay to go to work and not know if your coming home alive. Consumer driven products, the cheaper the better. How many Chinese buy Snap On tools? How many Americans are out of work because our thirst for cheaper and cheaper goods. Why don’t the CEO’s and the shareholders live in China? It’s all about profits and nothing else! Governments don’t care about the average Joe, corporate America runs the show! Governments are supposed to be for the people, something they forgot along the way. Sure, I like to save a little cash too on my purchases, but at what cost. A quote from Bob White former president of CAW, “How many cars do those robots buy” I my humble option, we are the ones to blame, stop buying offshore! Keep jobs in America where they belong and invest in ourselves not China!

My summarized view of American History:

America is a country stolen from the Indians (Native Americans) and built on the backs of Slave and Immigrant labor.

Not too many White Europeans picked cotton.

Not too many White Europeans built the railroads, Hoover Dam or dug the I&M canal.

While I agree in principle with your post, it is important to remember that early well to do Americans treated their workers, Slave or Free, very poorly.

The early Fords and Rockerfellers had no qualms using child labor and destroying the environment to make a quick buck. Labor unions, the EPA and OSHA are outgrowths of that treatment. The EPA is fairly recent, so we mucked up our own environment for a long time before the people did something about it.

Businesses certainly did not become "environmentally conscious" until they realized there is money to be made under the Energy Star and Organic labels.

However, Ford knew that if he priced his cars at a point where his employees could pay for them, and paid his employees enough to buy those cars using a newfangled invention -credit-, everyone in the circle would prosper.

This changed over time as Wall Street focused on quarterly gains instead of long term gains and profitability.

The easiest way to cut expenses is payroll and benefits because things like OSHA and EPA compliance is law and expensive when businesses get caught.

Wages stagnate for the average American hourly worker while everything else continues to go up in price. Wages for CEO's increase 1000 fold.

Americans embraced the "more for less" philosophy offered by upstart Wal*Mart- a company that initially offered good prices on US sourced merchandise in bulk. Then Greed set in, someone figured out that more profit could be made by making suppliers outsource production for a lower wholesale price and the same retail price. As a side benefit, those other countries didn't have those nasty little things like unions, OSHA or the EPA.

Other retailers noticed the cash Wal*Mart minted and quickly followed their business model. Things like NAFTA helped to export jobs.

Now we have an America that wonders where all the good paying jobs are, yet consumers continue to spend as little as possible on consumer goods because wages have stagnated in the traditional middle class since the early 80's.

Houses have gotten bigger, so more "stuff" is needed to fill that house, and you either have to make more money to buy more stuff, or make the stuff cheaper so more of it can be bought for the same money.

Seems like we are smart enough to know what is "right", yet we are still unwilling to pay for it.
 
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