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Yes, pretty much true so you better make sure you have it right the first time. There are some outs we use such as conduit from panel areas to potential new need areas. We also have crawl spaces here that we can run and drill up into a wall cavity; same thing coming from top down.

Not necessarily easy but do-able.

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Can I come over and use your shop when it's done? :eek:

:lol: Just kidding. I didn't know there was anyone else in Portland on this board though.
 

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Portland lurkers

Suspect there are many in Portland area.
This here is a big city, yet has large base of rural/suburban carguys.
Most of us probably don't have much to say.
Perhaps some lack photo capabilities.
We get by with lil' ol' 2-car attached.
Perhaps a shed or two.
In my case, park two cars in downstairs family room.
Small cars....

Interesting to see deep pockets building garage-topias.
Kinda like a fantasy world for the average stiff.
Yet, nary a discouraging word is heard.
Y'all are real gentlemen, and I suspect the moderator tolerates no nonsense.
 

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Deacon thanks for answering my question.

I am in total awe of your build.

In some of the early photos it looks like the pool is indoors???
 
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Thanks for the comments, yes I have been very blessed with a career that allows me to build projects like this. I have been very fortunate to be surrounded with crews and individuals that can product such fine quality.

The pool is out in the open, not covered. We have done indoor pools but part of the idea is to have a water feature and the pool that provides a visual all year long.

As promised a few photos of the sheetrocked garage and a couple of the house, you can go to smugmug at: http://Deaco n.smugmug.com/gallery/3386320#189200032 to view the progress (there are almost a thousand photos so grab a beer and sit back :) )

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Shop sheetrocked and ready for taping.

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The garage entry

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Rock work on front of home, note the beamwork around the window

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The masons, the two on top are brothers and are the third generation of this family to work for me. Grandpa still comes out and places a few feet of stone on every house I do, he is 93!

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Just a couple of the drywall crew, they move...the house is 6600 sq. ft. plus the shop and main garage and they will have it nailed out in 6 working days.

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Thanks for following the progress, will keep posting.

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Rock work on front of home, note the beamwork around the window

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The masons, the two on top are brothers and are the third generation of this family to work for me. Grandpa still comes out and places a few feet of stone on every house I do, he is 93!

That is the secret to making those veneer stone facades look right! Around here, you have entirely too much of that **** that looks like stones glued to a building because the installers have no idea of what a stone wall should look like.
 

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Very beautiful home to be. Haven't had a chance to view the whole smugmug site yet. You're very talented at what you do. Good luck with the rest of Whispering Waters.

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I guess if you have to run a new wire, you're screwed with that type of insulation, eh?

Funny, I was thinking the same thing. I guess you'd have to stick to interior walls if you need to run a wire. Which is often the case anyway.
 

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Beautiful garage, just wow.

The more and more I look at the projects on this board the more I start to think that I should have stayed in college and not joined the Army. :) There's no money is civil service!
 

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Hi Deacon... Now I remember why you are asking about pools.. lol.. I didn't remember making that post and I didn't connect your message with this thread... It all makes sense now...
 

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Deacon was gracious enough to give me a tour of his home in progress today.

I must say that it is truly impressive with attention to detail everywhere.

Hopefully he will invite me back when it's entering the final stages of completion so I can really see what his vision is.
 

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Beautiful build! I may be out of the loop, but is that blue foam insulation available at big box stores or something? I'm not talking about the can stuff :)
 
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I am not sure if you can get this type of foam from a retail outlet. The insulators had a whole box van just for the foaming process. There are multiple lines, probably for the foam, air etc that they reel out with a spray gun type of attachment that controls flow and pattern.

They first caulked all exterior penetrations and between all doubled/tripled studs. Then they spray about 2" of the foam material paying special attention to possible air infiltration areas. The entire envelope of living area was done except for the flat ceiling areas including underfloor joists. The foam has minimal expansion, significantly less than what you see in the cans.

Hope this helps...

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I think I am getting pretty impatient but we are making progress. The sheetrocking is done and painting tomorrow. Biggest change is the new garage door. Since the space is under the main garage and no windows this will let in natural light and provides some interest.

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Notice the RACEDECK piece on the right just waiting to get laid:wtf:

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Next project is wainscot to protect the lower walls, maybe use the cedar left over from the ceilings...

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Optical illusion shooting it with a 14 deg wide angle! 8x20 glu lam header, it ain't going anywhere...it is just supporting the upper walls. The concrete flooring in the upper garage is supported by the glu lams you see in the shop ceiling with 2x12's 12" oc and max spans of 12' with 1" pressure treated T&G plywood and 2 layers of torch down roofing under the concrete. The joists are PT also.

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The garage door is made locally by Pacific Overhead Door. I have used them for years and they can build just about anything. If you are in the market I could email you the photos and take them to a garage door supplier or manufacturer and they should be able to make it happen. They are becoming more common.

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Yes, exactly. Polycarbonate is 2 layers for insulation value. When looking I was most concerned with how easy it would be to break. Went to the shop and they gave me a big hammer and a 2' piece...the Pc won. It was not too large of an issue as the garage door opener would keep the door in place. Thought about smaller panels to limit what could fit through but that's what insurance is for I guess. Add to that a pretty sophisticated security system and I will be able to sleep at night!

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Deacon, what are the reasons that you decided to build with wood instead of a more typical steel frame with metal deck for the garage concrete? I have no idea what the price difference would be, but it seems like you might have eliminated some of the support columns below. I've never seen it done your way before.
 
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Mr. Welsh,

In my neck of the woods (sorry, I couldn't help it) wood is substantially less expensive so that was a major consideration. In addition the floor systems were a bit difficult as the main floor garage had to slope from west to east for drainage and the shop garage from north to south creating compound angles/cuts for each framing member. We seriously looked at steel, but the cost for labor especially the cutting caused me to use wood.

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Your house is amazing. I will use it as an inspiration when I am designing my next house. I have always loved craftsman style homes but haven't found one to base my design off of. Your design is very original and simple, I love it. Thanks for all the photos

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Making progress, got the heater installed now that the garage doors are on.

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Glad there were two of them....

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Poured some of the flatwork in the house entry. Stamped with a light slate pattern, nothing new but they are experimenting with new molds for the edge. It is a fractured stone look.

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The set up is a cantilever edge mold, concrete is poured and when partially set the form is removed. They then take the color release and make a slurry and paint it on the surface.

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After they stamp the pattern into the concrete with large rubber mats they go back and restrike the joints for a clean line.

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Delivered the hardwood, CVG Brazilian Cherry...

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Troweling the pool coping, no it NEVER rains in Portland.

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Next step for Garage is to wainscot the lower portion of the walls to protect them when washing floors and car. Pouring the pad outside the shop on Monday along with the pool deck.

To be continued...

Deacon
 

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Shameless bump for progress pix.

Seems the smugmug site isn't working anymore? How's project going?
 
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Thanks for the bump. Smugmug site is: http://Deacon.smugmug.com/gallery/4262834_DZDXi#249682658

Not much has happened in the shop in the past few weeks. Other than the garage door, I used some of the Great Room cedar to put a short wainscot on the walls of the shop to protect from water and bumps from equipment.

Keep watching though, we should have the race deck installed by next weekend and the cabinetry is scheduled for a week from Monday. They did get the other heater put up but need to re route the combustion air and exhaust. I will have to take a shot of the botched job...I am constantly amazed at the quality and approach some individuals take in their work. Before and after pics will show what I am referring to.

The driveway to the shop was poured this past week and we will be mounting the compressor this week as well.

If you view the pics, there are some of a surprise bday party my wife had for me at the house. Tough to pull one over on me but she pulled it off.

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Well gang, we are starting to move forward. Incorporating the shop build along with the home construction causes unavoidable delays but things are happening. I installed the Race Deck today! I was a bit surprised at how easy the process was. I started at 10 am and finished cleaning up at 2:30. I covered about 700 sq. ft. with edge cuts and post cuts.

Remember to start layout from the garage doors, I had one run started and realized I had the tiles backward from the way I was supposed to lay them.

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I had it in my mind that I would start on the back left but once I figured out the pattern/clips it was the opposite corner for the starting point.

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Continued down the right side with the solid tiles to set up for the post cuts.

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Continued after the post cuts with the Free Flow tiles. I will have the cars parked on the Free Flow and use the front if the bikes come in wet. They will be parked on the solid tiles.

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Nice patterns with the Free Flow, sunshine on my shoulders...

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Post cuts done and moving toward the back. The recess is where one of the banks of cabinetry and workbench will be. They are being done first of next week. Finish will be same color scheme as the Race Deck, silver and graphite.

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There will be another bank of cabinets on the back wall with the sink.

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This corner will be where the MC's are to be parked. There will be upper cabinets and hanging for gear/clothing. I wainscotted this wall and the opposite side both for protection and ease of cleaning. After the cabinets go in I will be trimming out the wainscot and baseboards that are still exposed.

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You can see the solid/free flow. I really like the transparent garage door, it lets in a lot of light and is just cool looking....

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Just a final shot showing the floor a bit better.

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My hat is off to the Race Deck people. They were extremely helpful in the design and ordering process. No hickups in shipping or times promised. The only issue was the freight delivery truck did not have a lift. Fortunately we had a landscape tractor at the site with forks so we did not have to manually lift the tiles out of the truck. I understand the shipper has to authorize the delivery co to use a lift truck and there is an upcharge for that convenience.

The pieces fit well, just a little off switching between the solids and freeflow. It took a bit more ooooching to get the pieces to line up but overall it was easy.

Look forward to cabinets first of the week, I AM.

Deacon
 

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Keep an eye out for expansion on those dark tiles in the full sun. It may not be an issue in Oregon but in FL I've had some problems with a west facing garage and some owners who left the door open all afternoon. In fairness to Race Deck it wasn't their product but they seem very similar.

I really dig the glass doors too Deacon. You can't do them here in the land of hurricanes cause they won't meet code.
 

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I really dig the glass doors too Deacon. You can't do them here in the land of hurricanes cause they won't meet code.

IIRC, Deacon posted that they were polycarbonate - should be no problem meeting any debris missile code in the hurricane states. After all, they make polycarb that'll stop a bullet - just gotta make it thicker.
 
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Well the shop cabinets are almost done, hardware and closures tomorrow, here are the pics of the install.

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Starting the layout...

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The uppers over MC area.

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Monday afternoon

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Tuesday am

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Doors starting to go on

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Tuesday late afternoon, almost done

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MC area with closed and open storage and hanging on far right.

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Main workbench area

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Refer and sink run at rear of garage

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Refer/sink run and work area

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Wide angle shot of all the cabinets

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Trim out, electrical, lighting next week...

Deacon
 

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Me likey the cabinets - any details on manufacturer and retail specs? Perhaps a link?

Awesome build BTW. Keep the pics coming so we can all live vicariously through you!
 
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Gesoffen,

The cabinets are made locally by a company called Closet's to Go. I have no idea if they are just local or franchised. They are high density PB with thermofoil overlay. You can have just about any finish you can imagine. They put a 1.25" high density particle board top on the workbench area, inexpensive and easily changeable if necessary. They installed formica tops and splash on the sink run with a beveled edge. The glass cabinets are aluminum doors. The doors and drawers have full length aluminium pulls.

I will post more details shots as they finish out the install.

http://portland.closetstogo.com/main_files/products.php?page=garage&example=1

Link above, and thanks for the compliments. Remember I am a contractor and this home will be for sale in a few years. I use my homes as examples for potential clients so suppliers and contractors tend to put their best feet forward for these projects because it brings us all business.

Deacon
 

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Those are really nice cabinets. A clean, sleek and modern look. I really like them!
 
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