Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT 1950s Craftsman Garage retro remodel

[kngkong]

RL,

Somehow I missed your grinder post when I wrote my last reply.

Nice machine!
Looks like you've got another project, I guess you're going to repaint it?

I have two newish grinders and a newish drill press, but I prefer the old machines. I have a hard time holding back buying a vintage grinder or older drill press when I have something currently that works. Unless it came for an absolutely incredible price. I guess I can wait until the perfect thing comes along.

Wish I had friends like yours

 

[Red Leader]

I have a grinder exactly like that, bought at a auction. It has two grinders on one homemade mount, it has the brown krinkle just like the Kennedy tool boxes. If I ever get money to buy a new camara I'll take a picture. Mine looks like brand new.
Man RL, you are getting all kinds of goodys, karma baby. I guess thats why I get nothin

Hey! When you get a picture of it, throw it up here! Would love to see it!

And yep, with the baby comes good things

 

[johnnybentwrench]

Those Triumph-inspired Kawasakis are cool. I don't have one but vintage motorcycles are a true passion of mine.

Here's one from the stable-

what size engine in the conversion? I am finishing a R69S

 

[Red Leader]

RL,

Somehow I missed your grinder post when I wrote my last reply.

Nice machine!
Looks like you've got another project, I guess you're going to repaint it?

I have two newish grinders and a newish drill press, but I prefer the old machines. I have a hard time holding back buying a vintage grinder or older drill press when I have something currently that works. Unless it came for an absolutely incredible price. I guess I can wait until the perfect thing comes along.

Wish I had friends like yours

KngKong,

I have known several guys that started out with newer tools and over time replaced them with the older stuff. I would think that the older tools would look especially classy, given your shop. Often times, the switch can be very affordable, or can even make you money. Several times I have seen top of the line presses (Atlas, Craftsman, Delta, Walker-Turner) go for $50.

Lets say you have a new floor drill press ($350 new give or take). Then you replace it with an oldie you find for $50. Let's say it needs new bearings in the motor and quill, so you call up Accurate Bearing and for another $50 you're back in business. It needs a new belt ($10) and you want to repaint it ($5 primer + $15 paint) - so for less than half the cost of the new press (almost a third), you have a classic drill press that is mechanically reconditioned and looks good to boot.

Typically when looking at older machines, original motor is a plus (and if in poor condition can be brought back to life with a new capacitor and bearings). No broken parts are a plus (although almost every conceivable part can be found pretty easily). No missing pieces is also a plus. Having all the tags is a HUGE plus, since original tags/badges are very, very hard to come by.

Here is the Atlas #53 that I picked up for $50:

By daveamy at 2010-08-13


And here is what it looks like after I touched up the post and metal pieces and gave it a new coat of paint:

By daveamy at 2011-05-21

I don't have much into it other than a newer belt and the paint. I lucked out since the bearings in the quill are perfect. It still has some issues - I want to rebuild the Jacobs chuck, the motor is non original and it is missing the quill lock and the return spring cap.

But those are trivial matters when you consider you get some classic machinery at a great price. And $50 is my 'baseline' for a tool like this, since I am a bottom feeder (aka someone who waits for the lowest prices).

I encourage you to find some of these old tools. There are tons of parts and a ton of support for rebuilding them. They are fairly straightforward and the reconditioning costs are minimal unless it is a large machine or a rare machine with missing/broken parts.

Keep an eye out...and they'll show up

 

[Red Leader]

Alright, so I got approval from the wife.


Just in case inquiring minds wanted to know, here is a picture of the new little man and my much better half, Mrs Red Leader:

By daveamy at 2011-08-02

When we told our son we were taking a picture, he made sure to put on his best face.

 

[Buffalot]

awesome onesie!

 

[vonhef]

Congrats on the new family member.... I can see why you are proud!

 

[Wingnut65]

Congrat, Red. Beautiful boy.

I know the force is strong with this one. He has two adults wrapped around his little finger.

 

[Brian R]

Your build is fantastic and so well documented. Your ability to do more with less is a real inspiration - well done. I can't really add more than great job and congratulations on the new addition.

And just because a BMW has popped up again - here is mine.

The bike is a 1968 - last year of the sidecar mounts. However, the sidecar is an early 1950's Steib S501 which would look great in the 1950 Craftsman retro remodel.

 

[flybefree]

RL...you are blessed, thank your wife for allowing us to see them both.

 

[Wingnut65]

RL...you are blessed, thank your wife for allowing us to see them both.

Agree +2

 

[bluebolt]

Your build is fantastic and so well documented. Your ability to do more with less is a real inspiration - well done. I can't really add more than great job and congratulations on the new addition.

And just because a BMW has popped up again - here is mine.

The bike is a 1968 - last year of the sidecar mounts. However, the sidecar is an early 1950's Steib S501 which would look great in the 1950 Craftsman retro remodel.

That sidecar is cool looks very Buck Rogers!

 

[ambenz]

Just wanted to give a shout out to Wingnut!
That was a very cool thing you did, giving that cool retro radio to someone who appreciates the style of those times.
BRAVO!
What a proud papa you must be Red Leader!

Damn if I didn't just toss a craftsman grinder close to the one you got, it was smoked.

 

[jktruck150]

Congrats on the new little one!

 

[chrommagman]

RL...you are blessed, thank your wife for allowing us to see them both.

x2


just wait, by the time he can walk your garage will be finished

 

[shopnut]

By daveamy at 2011-08-01

Wingnut65 - WHAT A GUY!!!! Boy, that's a perfect fit for the shop.

So, I ended up with something peculiar the other day....

By daveamy at 2011-08-01

When I saw the label, I was expecting some of this stuff to be in there...

And then it turns out to be a grinder to match the shop! Awesome. There are some really NICE folks out there.


And lastly, it looks like a very happy family. Is that dried wood glue I see on their fingertips?

 

[Red Leader]

Is that dried wood glue I see on their fingertips? [/QUOTE]

lol.

 

[Red Leader]

RL, Thanks to your idea, I have now finished painting the hardware, bracing supports, door tracks and opener bar on my 16' garage door flat black. Since the 'Salt Life Escape' is in a tan color scheme with tan and black RD floor, I don't know why I hadn't thought of this myself . It really does look good.

I didn't get any pix of the paint process on this door, but when I get my build thread up and running soon, I'll get shots when doing the other door.

Not bad for 6-1/2 cans of HD 97₵ flat black paint... (Thanks for asking me to post on your awesome thread)

Wingnut,

Due to all the wonderful craziness around here, I forgot to comment on your work (how clumsy of me!)

This looks AWESOME!!!! When I look at pictures of my garage, I look at the walls and I'm like " ahhh, ahhh, ahhh..." then "D'ohhhhrrgg!" when I get to the inside of the garage door. Yours looks fabulous. I hope my turns out half as good.

That race deck floor is looking great as well. Hurry up and get your build thread made so I can start posting in it!

In other garage news (slightly related to painting the garage door) I found out (the hard way) that the stripe paint job on the left side wall (the wall with the door) was painted about 1" too low (yes the whole wall). That's the bad news

The good news is: I have a plan!!!

The plan: redo it

 

[flybefree]

Hey, you stole the plan We use ALL the time!

 

[Wingnut65]

RL, Before you redo it completely, I was thinking of having the line on the door make an up and down high and low spike, like a heart rate monitor. Where it comes out on the left does not need to match the right side. Just a though.

BTW, My 'Salt Life Hideout' thread is up and running. I just can't get my avatar photo small enough to work. The door did turn out awesome. Thanks for the idea.

Thanks for all the Kudos the dedicated GJ clan has been throwing my way. I got the radio from cleaning out a relatives house in 1987 and it has been on a shelf ever since. Yes it did play when I tried it. I've thought about putting it on e-Bay for whomever may be awake when the bid is going on and hope that I make some money. When Red Leader commented that he wanted a Crosley, I was actually impressed that someone else knew what the radios were. I realized it wasn't doing much for me and it would look much better on his shelf, than mine. It's the least I can do for a GJ member with a new son (and a really cool garage).

All I ask is that other GJ members please do something nice for someone else without being asked or asking for money. I've heard some stories of ohte GJ'ers doing just that - fixing a car for a family moving across country come to mind.

Now, go ahead and make someone's day.

 

[Red Leader]

Whoohoo!!!! 500 Replies!!!!

Thanks guys for making this garage project a success.

I wish I had more content for this post haha

Well, I talked to my father earlier today and we were talking garage stuff, and he threw up some pretty good ideas about the floor and ceiling. Originally, I was thinking about a corrugated steel ceiling, but he made an excellent point about the noise reverberations. Since the shop will be primarily for woodworking, there will be a LOT of sawing and cutting and noise making. He suggested I take a look at drop down or 'suspended' ceilings as they are easy to install, absorb noise well, and I would still have access to the rafters.

After seeing this picture of them:

...I'm thinking it might be a cool option! I'd go with the chrome or polished aluminum framing, then either a gloss white paneling or get the cheapo office type squares and cover them with something cool like the embossed tin squares (when the budget allows) or thin finished wood strips.

Also, regarding the flooring, we also talked about options. He recommended the modular type (think Race Deck) for it's simplicity and ease of maintenance. I could also do a little at a time. The big downfall is the price. Any opinions out there one way or another? I was also considering a porcelain tile floor, or even wood flooring.

I'd love to hear what you guys think. Maybe the ceiling/flooring steps are closer than I was thinking.

 

[Zengineer]

Racedeck was about $2.49 sqft when I inquired... pretty decent considering that you don't need to spend anything else on adhesive, tools, grout, etc. It was a no-go for me in the end because of the amount of metal working I do, but I would put it in a wood shop in a heartbeat.

Suspended ceilings aren't great as far as acoustic performance goes, and the better acoustic performance becomes very costly in those systems. (more than flooring!) If you are in an attached garage, I would consider doubling up on the drywall (2 layers) with some "Green Glue" in between. This concept could be executed less expensively (and less effectively) with RTV, or foam between 2 drywall layers.

1) Add mass
2) Don't mount it rigidly

Those concepts will take you a long way in noise control.

 

[Zengineer]

I know it's not craftsman, but if you are looking for a vice, I don't think many would fit your decor better than this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Unusual-Wilton-...601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item484165f2a1

 

[BUGTHUG]

Wingnut65 All I ask is that other GJ members please do something nice for someone else without being asked or asking for money. I've heard some stories of ohte GJ'ers doing just that - fixing a car for a family moving across country come to mind.

Now, go ahead and make someone's day.[/QUOTE]
Yes I agree, now make my day and send me that bus, heck I'll even come and get it. OK?

 

[flybefree]

RL: i would second the vote for racedeck as the best "top shelf" alternative. I have DIYd a cheapo epoxy floor, it looks OK but it took a long weekend of scrubbing an older pad to get it to stick and it did not turn out perfect. Another option is to stain and seal, $.81 a sqft, that is what I am doing in my new build...got the idea from the GJ HQ build.

 

[Wingnut65]

Sorry, BugThug. I have brother's in line for the family bus if I need to get rid of it.

Zengineer, I love that vice. But it already has RL's lines. $18 for shipping of a vise???

RL, if you consider lay in tile, consider a period correct product... tin

update...
Here is the concept I was thinking for the door wihtout having to repaint the whole wall.

 

[tinbender 66]

Alright, so I got approval from the wife.


Just in case inquiring minds wanted to know, here is a picture of the new little man and my much better half, Mrs Red Leader:


When we told our son we were taking a picture, he made sure to put on his best face.

Nice picture of Mrs. Red Leader and Red Leader Jr. You're a lucky man! Here's a pic of what you have to look forward to! Sorry I couldn't scan the wrinkles out of the pic. This is Tinbender Jr. #2 @ about 3 years old.

 

[-Brent-]

I don't think the sharp edges of that design fits. What about something more "deco" like the lines still crossing but with a circle in the center? That way they can enter at the height they need and exit the height they need. Then, you could write "exit" in font that fits and it wouldn't look like an oops.

If I need to explain myself further, let me know.

 

[Red Leader]

Sorry, BugThug. I have brother's in line for the family bus if I need to get rid of it.

Zengineer, I love that vice. But it already has RL's lines. $18 for shipping of a vise???

RL, if you consider lay in tile, consider a period correct product... tin

update...
Here is the concept I was thinking for the door wihtout having to repaint the whole wall.

These are all great ideas.

I do like the tin look. Ideally, I'd do the chrome 'grid' and get a deco pattern tin and get it painted gloss white. Or, since that would be at least probably $12/tile (painted), I could always go with the white grid and get just plain unfinished tin ($8/tile).

The stripe on the wall has issues that extend beyond the door. If it was as simple as doing some kind of cool art deco thing, I'd probably just do that. The main issue is that I want to paint the garage door with the same stripe, and I'm having the same issue on both sides of the garage door with the paint level being off. I actually am kind of thinking of a cool art deco 'rescue' for the paint, but I'm not sure how I'd do it over on the actual garage door since the top lip of the paint stripe would be somewhat obscured by the metal tracking.

At least I have LOTS of time to think about a solution

 

[Red Leader]

I know it's not craftsman, but if you are looking for a vice, I don't think many would fit your decor better than this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Unusual-Wilton-...601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item484165f2a1

LOVE the look of those Wilton Shop Kings!!!

 

[omr]

this thread has leaked into my tv viewing ..lol
the scene on the tv show i was watching took place in a circa 1940's-1950's hotel and all i could do was look at the decor and think those lighting fixtures and that trim would fit in just perfect in your garage ..l i need help lol

 

[KCarGuy]

I swear that I have read this thread from start to finish 3 times already...Great Job!!!

 

[dragracer98]

Whoohoo!!!! 500 Replies!!!!

Thanks guys for making this garage project a success.

I wish I had more content for this post haha

Well, I talked to my father earlier today and we were talking garage stuff, and he threw up some pretty good ideas about the floor and ceiling. Originally, I was thinking about a corrugated steel ceiling, but he made an excellent point about the noise reverberations. Since the shop will be primarily for woodworking, there will be a LOT of sawing and cutting and noise making. He suggested I take a look at drop down or 'suspended' ceilings as they are easy to install, absorb noise well, and I would still have access to the rafters.

After seeing this picture of them:

...I'm thinking it might be a cool option! I'd go with the chrome or polished aluminum framing, then either a gloss white paneling or get the cheapo office type squares and cover them with something cool like the embossed tin squares (when the budget allows) or thin finished wood strips.

Also, regarding the flooring, we also talked about options. He recommended the modular type (think Race Deck) for it's simplicity and ease of maintenance. I could also do a little at a time. The big downfall is the price. Any opinions out there one way or another? I was also considering a porcelain tile floor, or even wood flooring.

I'd love to hear what you guys think. Maybe the ceiling/flooring steps are closer than I was thinking.

I think I would look at that ceiling again. To me it looks like it belongs in a store in the mall, along with a porcelain tile floor. Too flashy for a working garage which is what you will have. I know some people like that setup, but I just can't see it in a garage. However a friend of mine went with a suspended ceiling and he used some sort of lightweight wood panels and stained them a color to match the trim he was using and painted the framing black, and it looked sharp. Paint it black with HD .97 paint...lol.. He also went with a wood floor. Not sure on what kind but he was saying it was real wood. If you are interested I will try and find you some more info on what he used. Looking good so far, great work.

Randy

 

[Red Leader]

Nice picture of Mrs. Red Leader and Red Leader Jr. You're a lucky man! Here's a pic of what you have to look forward to! Sorry I couldn't scan the wrinkles out of the pic. This is Tinbender Jr. #2 @ about 3 years old.

Good lookin' kid! Especially with all the dirt!

 

[Nightshift]

Good lookin' kid! Especially with all the dirt!

RL, I've got a tip for you ... you don't know this yet, but ALL boys will be covered with dirt between the ages of 6 months and 4 years. After that, they MIGHT wash their hands once or twice/day, but until then, they don't even notice they are dirty. That's the parents job to clean them up before you take them off the property

 

[santagary]

Jack that looks fantastic! How'd you do the curved piece below it?

There's that Olsen curve again...aka. the trash bin/storage curved roof, the curves on the Porsche and the curve on the bench/desk in the front of the garage...what curve will you throw us next Jack??

 

[ChristopherLutz]

OK - too much family time - you're neglecting your subscribed!

More pics, more progress!!!

 

[Bronson]

Very cool project, great job! You have a LOT more patience than I. Now, You need to build a garage for the cars and bikes.....

 

[Red Leader]

OK - too much family time - you're neglecting your subscribed!

More pics, more progress!!!

I'm not sure this is even worthy of posting, but since people are hungry for action, I'm here to deliver!

Started work on the front of the garage door:

By daveamy at 2011-08-07

By daveamy at 2011-08-07

So what I'm doing is removing a hinge, one hinge at a time, taping around the wood supports and coating them in poly, while at the same time spraying the hinge black. Then I put it back together and once I have this stage done, I will tape off everything and paint the main panels with the garage theme stripe.

It is slow going, but if you can imagine, most of my time goes elsewhere

Also, as a little teaser, I might have an exciting garage related announcement soon. I'll know probably in a day or so. Nothing is guaranteed, but keep your fingers crossed and I just might have something exciting to post in another day or two.

-Dave

 

[Wingnut65]

So what I'm doing is removing a hinge, one hinge at a time, taping around the wood supports and coating them in poly, while at the same time spraying the hinge black. Then I put it back together and once I have this stage done, I will tape off everything and paint the main panels with the garage theme stripe.

Great idea! Slow going but it seals behind the hinge with no tricky taping like I had. Nice progress so far.

Also, as a little teaser, I might have an exciting garage related announcement soon. I'll know probably in a day or so. Nothing is guaranteed, but keep your fingers crossed and I just might have something exciting to post in another day or two.

??? Waiting to hear...