New toy for OldCarGuy coming soon.

[OldCarGuy]

Once an addict, always an addict, and I cannot help it!

Now what can it be? I'll give you a hint, it’s old iron at its’ best,,, built in 1950 and weights well over 5,000 pounds. And it’s not another lathe or milling machine….

I have my truck packed and my new trailer hooked up and about to leave shortly. As I’m about to start a 1,100 mile journey, back in time. I’m glad that I finished installing my winch finished last weekend.

Story and Pictures forthwith…

 

[milkovich]

You finally bought a personal locomotive to save on freight?

 

[bmwpower]

You're buying a time machine to enable you to go back in time and collect more goodies?

A tank?

 

[kvom]

Guessing some sort of industrial press.

 

[bmwpower]

Guessing some sort of industrial press.

I bet you are right....but 5K pounds? uggh. That's one big press.

It's gotta be a vehicle of some kind.

 

[eschoendorff]

Once an addict, always an addict, and I cannot help it!

Now what can it be? I'll give you a hint, it’s old iron at its’ best,,, built in 1950 and weights well over 5,000 pounds. And it’s not another lathe or milling machine….

I have my truck packed and my new trailer hooked up and about to leave shortly. As I’m about to start a 1,100 mile journey, back in time. I’m glad that I finished installing my winch finished last weekend.

Story and Pictures forthwith…

Let's have them! I'm getting too old for guessing games!

 

[PAToyota]

Clicked on this and expected news of his new lift...

I'm guessing more on the vehicle end of the spectrum than the shop equipment end of things... Old tractor, old truck, bulldozer, something like that?

 

[goodfellow]

You finally bought a personal locomotive to save on freight?

Now that's funny!!!!

I'm thinkin' "Press" as well.

 

[SteveU]

Another old car?

 

[arthur1920]

1950 Olds rocket 88.

 

[Matt2point4]

with OCG it could be absolutely anything, but one thing for sure we're all going to go "wow" when he shows it!

 

[Uncle Buck]

with OCG it could be absolutely anything, but one thing for sure we're all going to go "wow" when he shows it!

Yup, you got that right junior!

 

[ads47]

Big old air hammer.

ads

 

[Junkman]

a 5000 pound woman to clean up after you.....

 

[eschoendorff]

a 5000 pound woman to clean up after you.....

Ewwwwww!

 

[Steve V.]

An english wheel for forming small ship hulls.



Steve

 

[jhn9840]

We need another hint

jhn9840
John

 

[jay50]

I bet he has found a 1972 Caddy Fleetwood in mint condtion that he is adding to his collection

 

[volvo]

.......Clicked on this and expected news of his new lift......
.
My first thought also, looking forward to this one and all the others...H

 

[RenegadeEngr]

This is killing me, I thought he already had everything!?!?

 

[Abodyracer]

a 5000 pound woman to clean up after you.....

So he is bringing home a BMW then.

 

[wrenchr]

As long as your not picking up some huge chick from in front of the local Waffle House.

 

[Crossthread]

iron worker?

 

[Mike F]

This is killing me, I thought he already had everything!?!?

He does have everything. But so does my wife and yet she always finds something else to buy!
Guess we'll just have to wait for the pics.

 

[W-Cummins]

A Shaper??

William...

 

[OldCarGuy]

What a journey, 1,186 mile in 36 hours. Started with snow; but as I drove south weather improved. And it was 55 degrees in Nashville. Boy do they have to endure tough winters! My new tilt-bed trailer and 3/4 ton Avalanche performed wonderfully. She went through 99.8 gallons of gasoline making 11.9 MPG. Not too bad for the weight I was pulling. The truck and trailer weigh almost 11,000 pounds empty on the way down. And over 17,000 pounds on the return leg. The way down I drove the speed limit, which is 70 MPH in Kentucky and Tennessee. With the added weight I went a modest 60 MPH. The hills were no match or my Avalanche’s 8.1 Liter engine and never slowed.

Arriving home at 3:00 AM Sunday morning, this is what the tarp looked like in the morning. It did its’ job, nothing got wet. Then backed into my garage for the unavailing...

Now isn’t she a beauty!! My new (old) Gould & Eberhardt Metal 16" Shaper. Made in Newark New jersey...

Off comes the tarp and tie-downs. On goes a nylon strap and my bridge crane lifts her off the trailer. And sets her in her place on honor next to my Deckel Copy Mill.

Talk about large vises! The jaws are 14 inches wide and can open to 14 inches. I'm sure I’ll find it handy around the shop. Think I can get enough leverage with that handle?

The metal shaper was one of the first metal working machines that I learned how to run when I was 12 years old. It operates somewhat like a lathe using a inexpensive single point tool bit. Rather than revolving the workpiece, the rams travels over the workpiece that is held tightly in a vice. Cutting only on the forward stroke. On the return stroke the clapper lifts the tool bit off the workpiece as it is advanced for the next stroke. It may be slow going to remove steel; but it can run by itself, freeing yourself to do something else. Additionally a single $5.00 tool bit can literally remove a ton of steel. Here’s a link to run in action...

Look what else came along for the ride! An Allen 16" press power tapper/drill press. The fellows down in Tennessee wouldn’t allow me to leave without it! Though I’ve used Allen drill presses, I’ve never seen a power tapper. Oh well just another toy..

I hope you guys aren't too disappointed.
Now that the adrenaline has worn off, I think I'll take a nap!

 

[dxdexter]

Pretty impressive indeed. Thats quite a nicely equipped shop you have there.

 

[Uncle Buck]

A Shaper??

William...

How did you guess that, did he clue you in?

 

[Uncle Buck]

I bet you got the shaper for a song; in spite of it's huge footprint I guess I am still surprised that you got the vise with the shaper.

So does that about complete your shop for the big stuff and if not, what else are you looking to add?

 

[banzaitoyota]

I heard thru the grapevine he is negoitiating a deal on his own Bessemer Furnace

 

[W-Cummins]

How did you guess that, did he clue you in?

nope, what do I win?? It was an easy guess as I have seen the tools he had, and plus the hint, it didn't leave much else..

I bet you got the shaper for a song; in spite of it's huge footprint I guess I am still surprised that you got the vise with the shaper.

Machines that size go for free to the cost of scrap. The smaller machines will bring a few pennies per pound over the scrap price as home machinists still will buy them.


William....

 

[Uncle Buck]

nope, what do I win?? It was an easy guess as I have seen the tools he had, and plus the hint, it didn't leave much else..


UB SAYS
After I went back and read his initial post it was easier to see how you figured it out, although I still doubt I would have.

Machines that size go for free to the cost of scrap. The smaller machines will bring a few pennies per pound over the scrap price as home machinists still will buy them.


UB SAYS
Exactly, but usually the big dogs like that one have already been stripped of the vise before the new buyer gets the shaper! Further, it seems rare that a shaper like that comes up that the weather has not ravaged to some degree before it is saved. OldCarGuy's find is rare in the condition aspect to my thinking.

You are right about the small ones, they command respectable prices for the home shop guys that are in the know (usually old timers that know how they work and what they can do!) I have three small ones myself, two 7" Atlas's and one 8" Shape Rite with a rotating cube.

(No I do not use all three, it just worked out that way. It's complicated! )

William....

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[W-Cummins]

UB SAYS
Exactly, but usually the big dogs like that one have already been stripped of the vise before the new buyer gets the shaper! Further, it seems rare that a shaper like that comes up that the weather has not ravaged to some degree before it is saved. OldCarGuy's find is rare in the condition aspect to my thinking.

Well the trick I guess, is to get it before they haul the hulk out to rust! Or if you can find some one that can't stand to see a good machine rusting away outside, the deals can even be better, like free to a good home! ( kinda like a puppy. Maybe because they can't stand the idea of it scraped, sent to China, only to be returned as HF tools



William....

 

[jim m]

As long as your not picking up some huge chick from in front of the local Waffle House.

see and you had me thinking he was bringing home Larry the cable guys sister old molee

Jim

 

[OldCarGuy]

Metal Shapers that are 20 inches or more stroke so often can be picked up free. Sometimes with a vice, that could easily draw $300.00 or more. But these monsters weigh upwards of 10,000 pounds, that even I wouldn’t want to tangle with.

Smaller Atlas 7 inch stroke shaper would go from $400.00 to $1,800.00 with a vise and depending on condition. They weigh about three hundred pounds and have a ¼ HP 120 Volt motor. Making them favorably sought after by home shop owners. http://cgi.ebay.com/AMMCO-7-metal-s...ryZ92083QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I would have no interest in a shaper that small. Now this 16 inch stroke shaper that I purchased falls in between. It’s big enough to take serious cuts. Bit it’s not overly heavy or takes up too much floor space. It has a Five HP Three-phase 240 Volt motor, again no problem for my shop.

This G&E Shaper was purchased new for use in the Navy, where it had little use. Then Vanderbilt University owned it for forty years, again little use. It would have seen more use in a year’s time in most any machine shop than it had by its’ two owners. And now I own a pristine shaper! With a fantastic vise, overall little or no wear and tear, with all the original flaking on the ways… All this and part of the American Heritage for only $500.00... Not a bad purchase. Particularly for an old machine addict like me…

 

[OldCarGuy]

So does that about complete your shop for the big stuff and if not, what else are you looking to add?

At this time I’m working on an automotive spray paint booth. But still on my wish list is a four foot box and pan brake with a matching foot shear. At least for 16 gage or possibly 12 gage sheet metal. A radial drill press would be handy too. I came very close a month ago; but let it slip my grasp. Also on my dream list would be a CNC Wire EDM machine that would compliment my Sinker EDM. After I attain this equipment I can accomplish most everything that I set out to do. Thought I’m sure I’ll continue to purchase smaller tools along the way…

Any suggestions of equipment that would be nice to own…

Elox Wire EDM Machine

 

[martell06]

Noob question, i could see the value of a lathe and mill in a garage or home shop but what would you use a shaper for? probably not as much of a general use tool like the lathe?

 

[OldCarGuy]

Noob question, i could see the value of a lathe and mill in a garage or home shop but what would you use a shaper for? probably not as much of a general use tool like the lathe?

Actually, do Really I need to justify a shaper in my garage shop? Then how about justifying three Bench Grinders, four Drill Presses, two Lathes, three Milling Machines, two Surface Grinders, and of all things an EDM Machine in my garage, plus a Bridge Crane over the whole Kitten Cabutal???? Or is there such a thing as I just wanted them?

In fact I would be hard pressed to find a need for a shaper in the run of the mill garage for working on cars. However the massive jaws of its’ vise can come in extremely handy. For bending thick pieces of metal or for just holding something securely so as to muscle down a stubborn fastener. On the other hand it will come in handy for squaring blocks of steel to make replacement parts for my antique cars. Or for making keyways, internal or external gears…

The machines of importance in a home garage should be in the following order: Bench Grinder, Drill Press, Lathe, Milling Machine, then possibly a Surface Grinder…

 

[Distephano]

First post in a long time... Mostly just lurk... but anyhow....

Quite the shop you have there!

Thing I'm most curious about is the EDM machine! Pics? What do you use it for?

 

[OldCarGuy]

First post in a long time... Mostly just lurk... but anyhow....

Quite the shop you have there!

Thing I'm most curious about is the EDM machine! Pics? What do you use it for?

EDM stands for Electrical Discharge Machining,, and is primary used in Die Sinking in hardened metals, even carbide, or producing shapes that would be impossible or impractical by conventional machining methods. An electrode acts as the cutter and usually made of carbon ( but sometimes copper, brass, or other alloy) and is mounted in the ram controlled by hydraulics that is connected to the power source. A series of rapidly recurring electrical arcing as the electrode is slowly fed into the workpiece in a submerged oil bath. The EDM cutting tool is guided along the desired path very close to the work but it does not touch the piece. Consecutive sparks produce a series of micro-craters on the work piece and remove material along the cutting path by melting and vaporizing the workpiece. And the particles are washed away by the continuously flushing oil bath.

There is more to it than that, and most likely more than you may want to know. But when the local Cadillac dealer doesn’t have a part for my 1914,, I need to reproduce it. And this is a tool that will help me reproduce it. It has been helpful simply removing broken pins, drills, or taps. Or putting holes (or even tapping holes) in hardened parts. And saves a lot of time machining thin deep ribs, say as narrow as .020" and 4" deep, into steel or brass parts.

My Ex-Cell-O Plunge EDM Machine

Rather than a graphite electrode that is used in Plunge EDM’ing as described above,, In a wire EDM machine a thin wire (usually .010 Diameter) serves as the electrode. Special brass wire are typically used. As the wire is slowly fed between the two work heads, an electrical discharge between the workpiece and the wire cuts a path. Similar to a bandsaw. But the wire has no teeth. And the work is normally performed in a bath of water to flush the slag away and keep the wire from burning up.

The path of the wire is controlled by a computer, which allows extremely complex shapes to be produced. Either internal like cutting the hole in a donut. Where you need a starter hole to thread the wire through. Or the outside of a part, like the teeth of an spur gear. Also the wire can be tilted from top to bottom so that an angular cuts are possible.