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Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT 1950s Craftsman Garage retro remodel

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Thanks Rick. I guess how high I go will depend on how shiny I want the metal. I've done projects before polishing metal bit (motorcycles) and gone up to 1000. I think my aesthetic eye only goes up to 400 grit before I say 'that's good' :lol:

I might just take it to that and finish up with metal polish. That'll keep a clean brushed look. Don't want it too shiny in there, my garage faces west :cool:
 
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Thanks Rick. I guess how high I go will depend on how shiny I want the metal. I've done projects before polishing metal bit (motorcycles) and gone up to 1000. I think my aesthetic eye only goes up to 400 grit before I say 'that's good' :lol:

I might just take it to that and finish up with metal polish. That'll keep a clean brushed look. Don't want it too shiny in there, my garage faces west :cool:

I have a really good solution for you that won't be as hard on your hands.

I'll try to take pictures later tonight of what I'm talking about, but trust it, it's worth it:)
 

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Jason,

You know I haven't really even touched the garage in like 3 weeks? Man, it feels like a LIFETIME haha:lol:


Gorgeous grinder. In better shape than mine, for sure. Also, thanks for getting that manual uploaded. Let me know if you need any assistance in getting yours apart. Then again, once I finish up with most of the table saw I'm probably going to tear into the grinder and I'll detail it all in this thread.

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Regarding the electrolysis, you have to have a 'manual' battery charger. Those 'smart' chargers require a battery to turn on and charge. I used mine at 6amps. It can vary. 2a would probably take a while. 12a would probably work really well. I don't have other experience outside my own charger, so I cannot help you with specifics on the amperage. What I can tell you is to try and get the scrap metal as close to the 'good piece' as you can without them touching. It also works in a straight line, so make sure you use enough of the sacrificial pieces to get good coverage around all the parts you want to de-rust.

I don't think it has any negative effect on the charger other than you are using it a lot. I think the table saw cabinet base was hooked up for a solid 2.5 days:)

Yes, the condition is great, I was very fortunate to find it, and though I only paid $10, it may turn out to have been a very expensive purchase as I have now caught the vintage tool bug as well. I started with the approach that $10 was cheaper than Harbor Freight (and of course better quality), and now I am setting out to recreate my late grandfather's workshop. One thing I did note, though the condition of mine is better age wise, the castings for your base are much cleaner, production wise, especially visible to either side of the switch plate. I am thinking I may want to grind mine down a bit. I wonder if they produced these until the forms wore out then replaced it with the next model? My grandfather built custom homes for a profession and boats and furniture for a hobby. When it came to his hobbies, it seemed he never purchased anything he could make himself. My grandmother still has some of the wooden 'parts' he created to produce the sand molds for the bronze anchor and rigging castings of the last boat. I assume King-Seeley would have used a similar processes for their iron castings. Certainly after months or years in wet sand the forms would break down. Anyhow, I'm glad to have it. Did you receive the flip down guards for yours?

Thanks for the insights on the electrolysis. I assume by 'straight line' you mean that I need to surround the item I am cleaning with the sacrificial metal and of course wire those all together?

I wish I had taken pictures of this drill press I am working on but I barely had time to disassemble it before it went into the trash. The dp had been owned by a machinist who in an effort to free up space converted the standard 50's Craftsman model 100 floor standing press to hang from the ceiling. Eventually, I think I would like to reinstall it in the same manner but for the time being I am making a custom rolling stand. The column was cut so that today it is too tall to sit on the bench but too short to sit on the floor. Fortunately he had saved the original base but it is a bit rusty. The dp is otherwise in really good shape, the table is perfect and I was able to find all the original pieces EXCEPT :headscrat the three feed handles which had mysteriously disappeared and I suspect went into the trash that same morning. So much equipment got tossed. The house had been sold with the contents of the shop intact but the new owners refused to take possession until it was all cleaned out. :headscrat :confused: :headscrat I filled my Expedition for $47, which ironically went to help pay for the guys that hauled the rest to the dump. I wish I had known earlier, I would have cleared it myself for free. I will replace the handles with threaded rods for the time being, but will be on the lookout for original equipment. Next on the list? No idea. I inquired about two lathes this weekend but have not heard back. I did pick up a portable 50's Craftsman belt sander last week. Small surprise when I got it home . . . someone didn't understand how to adjust the belt properly . . . but that's a topic for another day.
 
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btw, Glad you found the manual useful. Figured someone would eventually come looking for it. Just didn't expect it to be so soon. I may take you up on that offer of help.
 

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Red Leader, your garage is coming along beautifully and your tools make me envious. Thanks to you, I now have a few old Craftsman items of my own. I picked up a floor model 150 drill press and a 113 series table saw. I always knew older tools rocked, but I didn't realize they also weigh a ton! Thanks to you and Tinbender... I got a fever.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1801617&posted=1#post1801617
 

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Yes, the condition is great, I was very fortunate to find it, and though I only paid $10, it may turn out to have been a very expensive purchase as I have now caught the vintage tool bug as well. I started with the approach that $10 was cheaper than Harbor Freight (and of course better quality), and now I am setting out to recreate my late grandfather's workshop. One thing I did note, though the condition of mine is better age wise, the castings for your base are much cleaner, production wise, especially visible to either side of the switch plate. I am thinking I may want to grind mine down a bit. I wonder if they produced these until the forms wore out then replaced it with the next model? My grandfather built custom homes for a profession and boats and furniture for a hobby. When it came to his hobbies, it seemed he never purchased anything he could make himself. My grandmother still has some of the wooden 'parts' he created to produce the sand molds for the bronze anchor and rigging castings of the last boat. I assume King-Seeley would have used a similar processes for their iron castings. Certainly after months or years in wet sand the forms would break down. Anyhow, I'm glad to have it. Did you receive the flip down guards for yours?

Thanks for the insights on the electrolysis. I assume by 'straight line' you mean that I need to surround the item I am cleaning with the sacrificial metal and of course wire those all together?

I wish I had taken pictures of this drill press I am working on but I barely had time to disassemble it before it went into the trash. The dp had been owned by a machinist who in an effort to free up space converted the standard 50's Craftsman model 100 floor standing press to hang from the ceiling. Eventually, I think I would like to reinstall it in the same manner but for the time being I am making a custom rolling stand. The column was cut so that today it is too tall to sit on the bench but too short to sit on the floor. Fortunately he had saved the original base but it is a bit rusty. The dp is otherwise in really good shape, the table is perfect and I was able to find all the original pieces EXCEPT :headscrat the three feed handles which had mysteriously disappeared and I suspect went into the trash that same morning. So much equipment got tossed. The house had been sold with the contents of the shop intact but the new owners refused to take possession until it was all cleaned out. :headscrat :confused: :headscrat I filled my Expedition for $47, which ironically went to help pay for the guys that hauled the rest to the dump. I wish I had known earlier, I would have cleared it myself for free. I will replace the handles with threaded rods for the time being, but will be on the lookout for original equipment. Next on the list? No idea. I inquired about two lathes this weekend but have not heard back. I did pick up a portable 50's Craftsman belt sander last week. Small surprise when I got it home . . . someone didn't understand how to adjust the belt properly . . . but that's a topic for another day.





Jason if your 100 is the same as my 150 I might be able to fab up some handles for you . Heres a couple pics .


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Yes, the condition is great, I was very fortunate to find it, and though I only paid $10, it may turn out to have been a very expensive purchase as I have now caught the vintage tool bug as well. I started with the approach that $10 was cheaper than Harbor Freight (and of course better quality), and now I am setting out to recreate my late grandfather's workshop. One thing I did note, though the condition of mine is better age wise, the castings for your base are much cleaner, production wise, especially visible to either side of the switch plate. I am thinking I may want to grind mine down a bit. I wonder if they produced these until the forms wore out then replaced it with the next model? My grandfather built custom homes for a profession and boats and furniture for a hobby. When it came to his hobbies, it seemed he never purchased anything he could make himself. My grandmother still has some of the wooden 'parts' he created to produce the sand molds for the bronze anchor and rigging castings of the last boat. I assume King-Seeley would have used a similar processes for their iron castings. Certainly after months or years in wet sand the forms would break down. Anyhow, I'm glad to have it. Did you receive the flip down guards for yours?

Thanks for the insights on the electrolysis. I assume by 'straight line' you mean that I need to surround the item I am cleaning with the sacrificial metal and of course wire those all together?

I wish I had taken pictures of this drill press I am working on but I barely had time to disassemble it before it went into the trash. The dp had been owned by a machinist who in an effort to free up space converted the standard 50's Craftsman model 100 floor standing press to hang from the ceiling. Eventually, I think I would like to reinstall it in the same manner but for the time being I am making a custom rolling stand. The column was cut so that today it is too tall to sit on the bench but too short to sit on the floor. Fortunately he had saved the original base but it is a bit rusty. The dp is otherwise in really good shape, the table is perfect and I was able to find all the original pieces EXCEPT :headscrat the three feed handles which had mysteriously disappeared and I suspect went into the trash that same morning. So much equipment got tossed. The house had been sold with the contents of the shop intact but the new owners refused to take possession until it was all cleaned out. :headscrat :confused: :headscrat I filled my Expedition for $47, which ironically went to help pay for the guys that hauled the rest to the dump. I wish I had known earlier, I would have cleared it myself for free. I will replace the handles with threaded rods for the time being, but will be on the lookout for original equipment. Next on the list? No idea. I inquired about two lathes this weekend but have not heard back. I did pick up a portable 50's Craftsman belt sander last week. Small surprise when I got it home . . . someone didn't understand how to adjust the belt properly . . . but that's a topic for another day.

WOW. $10 is a steal! Awesome! While it is cheap...your right. It may turn out to be VERY expensive:D

I'm not sure about the castings...some old timers might be able to give a more experienced opinion. Mine did come with the eye shields. One right now is being lent to a fellow old tool friend so that they can get a repro casting of it made. Their same model grinder came without eye shields.

You should post some pictures of your other tools! I'd love to see them. Those tools that were taken to the dump is a story all too often heard. Most people don't see the old tools the way that we do. Heck, I didn't either a year and a half ago. But my eyes were soon opened:)

I would recommend that you check this link out:

http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/bymfg.aspx

This is a photo index of all vintage tools over on the OWWM site. I would recommend browsing through the pictures of the tools, that is, as long as you are okay stepping head first off the slope! I would recommend checking out any manufacturer that has about 150 or more entries as a starter, but browsing around in some of the more obscure tool folders is fun too.

Regarding the electrolysis and the 'straight line', is that the rusty good part has a clear unobstructed path to the 'donor' piece of metal.

Gotta love old rusty tools!
 
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Red Leader, your garage is coming along beautifully and your tools make me envious. Thanks to you, I now have a few old Craftsman items of my own. I picked up a floor model 150 drill press and a 113 series table saw. I always knew older tools rocked, but I didn't realize they also weigh a ton! Thanks to you and Tinbender... I got a fever.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1801617&posted=1#post1801617


If anything in this thread inspires folks to take a second look at a rusty old tool and see the value of solid, Made in USA cast iron, then I am honored. While it might make competition a little more stiff...:D...I'll take that any day of the week if it means that a few more tools are saved from the scrap heap when folks rediscover classic Americana and what made this country great.
 

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This post is for GirlnAgarage.

You asked about finishing the metal on old, dull surfaces. Here is what I use. You can decide for yourself whether or not the results are up to snuff:)

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The product? 3M EXL deburring wheel, grade fine, 9S.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002P51S72/?tag=atomicindus08-20

To me, worth every cent.

:beer:



Ohhhh, nice! :thumbup: That's almost way too efficient.


How does it do on tight radius curves? Do you just use the corner edge or what? I'm imagining a grinding wheel that makes a rough ugly groove where there isn't suppose to be.
 

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If anything in this thread inspires folks to take a second look at a rusty old tool and see the value of solid, Made in USA cast iron, then I am honored. While it might make competition a little more stiff...:D...I'll take that any day of the week if it means that a few more tools are saved from the scrap heap when folks rediscover classic Americana and what made this country great.

Well said, Red Leader. I am inclined to save/refurb a well-built, classic tool that was built to last, rather than spend money on brand-new. Of course, being frugal doesn't hurt the cause either.:D

Not wanting to hijack your thread, but I just got my old Craftsman table saw rewired and running again, thought I would share. Scored it for $40 at an estate sale. :thumbup:
 

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Well said, Red Leader. I am inclined to save/refurb a well-built, classic tool that was built to last, rather than spend money on brand-new. Of course, being frugal doesn't hurt the cause either.:D

Not wanting to hijack your thread, but I just got my old Craftsman table saw rewired and running again, thought I would share. Scored it for $40 at an estate sale. :thumbup:

Nice saw, that stand is an original Craftsman with plywoood added.
 
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Well said, Red Leader. I am inclined to save/refurb a well-built, classic tool that was built to last, rather than spend money on brand-new. Of course, being frugal doesn't hurt the cause either.:D

Not wanting to hijack your thread, but I just got my old Craftsman table saw rewired and running again, thought I would share. Scored it for $40 at an estate sale. :thumbup:

A lot of those little saws were used by a lot of peoples' grandfathers to build entire houses. They are easily underestimated.
 
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Ohhhh, nice! :thumbup: That's almost way too efficient.


How does it do on tight radius curves? Do you just use the corner edge or what? I'm imagining a grinding wheel that makes a rough ugly groove where there isn't suppose to be.

On real tight curves, it has a little bit of a hard time getting around them. On any inside surface of any 'L' shape, it doesn't quite have the reach.

However, that is just for the 1" thick wheel. You could always get a 1/2" wheen and sand the surface down to a point, and keep that one just for tight spots. Hey! That's actually a pretty good idea! I may have to take myself up on that one:D:beer:
 

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On real tight curves, it has a little bit of a hard time getting around them. On any inside surface of any 'L' shape, it doesn't quite have the reach.

However, that is just for the 1" thick wheel. You could always get a 1/2" wheen and sand the surface down to a point, and keep that one just for tight spots. Hey! That's actually a pretty good idea! I may have to take myself up on that one:D:beer:

Hmm yeah, that's probably pretty good. I was shopping around on Amazon and saw they had the smaller wheels w/ 1/8" shank...can you say Dremel? :D
 
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So......


I got a package today...












































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OH YEAH!!!!!! Epoxy-Coat!!!!!

It was on the doorstep when I got here, so I had to throw up a glamour shot;)

If you are reading this, thank you Christine (from Epoxy-Coat)!!!!!





Also, in other garage-related news, check it out!

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There is progress! Do you see it? Maybe try squinting haha



Also, in other NON-garage related news (well, semi-related) I've been getting some stuff ready to winterize the cars. Ever been through snow storms where the hinged wiper blades (NOT designed for winter use:D) froze up and you have to peer through the little bottom center area of the windshield? Hmm how do I know about that? Heh...well, we've upgraded to the uni-blade design, but they are expensive at near $17-$20 a set. Well, I just realized tonight that you can just buy the replacement rubbers instead of the whole entire package. Never knew about it. So, if you are interested in saving about $25 on new wipers, just spring for the replacement inserts and you're good to go:)
 

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Bring on some epoxy awesomeness! Can't wait to see what you think...I am going to Epoxy me office in the hangar, don't know with what just yet.

Shaun
 
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TB66, now you just know that Red Leader is out and about beating the bushes for a genuine, heavy-duty, made-in-America, OLD IRON, classy, restorable, PRESSURE WASHER; and it will probably have to have a 'red tag' on its face!
 
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TB66, now you just know that Red Leader is out and about beating the bushes for a genuine, heavy-duty, made-in-America, OLD IRON, classy, restorable, PRESSURE WASHER; and it will probably have to have a 'red tag' on its face!

Sorry, I've been too busy trying to find urinal for my garage:lol_hitti
 

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Propper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance :D.



Rick


That was in my head all day yesterday. How funny it would show up. Of course, Rick said it. :headscrat I should have known. Do me a favor though, if you come across an embarrassing or personal things, don't type those :eek:
 
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Well guys, not too much progress on the garage. I did however finally get the saw arbor flange off the arbor. It was on there TIGHT. Might have to take it to a machine shop to get it pressed back on. Still need to pick up some bearings. That, and patching the holes in the cabinet will be next.

Did some maintenance work on the cars today - on both: bled the brakes, rotated the tires, bled the clutches, filled the wiper fluid and replaced the air filter on one. A good day for the cars:)
 

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Saw this on local (South Bend IN) Craigslist and thought it might fit in Red Leader's garage.


Vintage Woodworking Bandsaw - $650 (Sturgis)
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Date: 2011-10-11, 4:33PM EDT
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32" Crescent/Silver Bandsaw. Built 1903 by Crescent and badged a Silver. New tires and Carter guides, without motor. Call 269-651-7687 and leave message.

http://swmi.craigslist.org/tls/2644596005.html
 

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Dave beats my day yesterday . I spent the day in the basement hanging ductwork ( SWMBO feels with lows in the 30's comming next week ) I need to get the heat up and running :D.


Rick
 
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Dave beats my day yesterday . I spent the day in the basement hanging ductwork ( SWMBO feels with lows in the 30's comming next week ) I need to get the heat up and running :D.


Rick

Rick,

thats up next for me, too. Need to rearrange some intake pipes, then the father-in-law is going to help me move the water heater, redo the piping, and reroute the gas pipe in the garage so that I can frame and wall off the furnace and water heater room.

(the excellent news is that rerouting the gas pipe means that I can add a T-joint where the pipe goes from the garage footer into the basement instead of the 90 degree joint so that I can add a line for a garage gas heater!!!):rocker:

Today, I'm going to try to finish the Atlas cabinet (re-rusting and then fill in the holes in the cabinet with some JB weld and touch up with bondo if need be! Whoohoo!

I feel that soon I will be selling my Unisaw. So actually, the Atlas will be serving as my main table saw once I get it up and running. Reason being that the Unisaw will allow for some funds to go towards some other tools and will keep the garage from cluttering up. The Unisaw (once the Atlas is done) and the Craftsman jointer will be up for sale soon. Since I now have my lifetime jointer (the cast iron base Delta) that will be a tool I'll never have to worry about:)

Table saws are different. I feel like I could have 5 table saws in the shop and each would serve a purpose!! I know, its bad:D
 

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Now see Dave thats where we differ :D. I only have one larger " newer " Craftsman table saw and honestly for the amount of times I use it it takes up way to much valuable garage space . I have actually considiered in just the last few days fixing up a corner of the basement for myself as a " machining " area . I could move the drill press , lathe , one of the bench grinders and the belt/disc sander down there and free up alot of garage space . This would also knock down the amount of metal shavings in the garage getting " into " the house which SWMBO would appreciate.


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I got a package today.

WOO-HOOO!!! Better bust out that grinder, that stuff has a shelf life ya know:). HEY!! I happen to know where you can get a slightly used pressure washer. Cheap too:D

Paul,

Ya know, you bring up a good point. Do you know what the shelf life on this stuff is? I suppose I could call Epoxy-Coat, but maybe some folks on here have some experience using this stuff 6mo to a year later from when they got it.
 
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Now see Dave thats where we differ :D. I only have one larger " newer " Craftsman table saw and honestly for the amount of times I use it it takes up way to much valuable garage space . I have actually considiered in just the last few days fixing up a corner of the basement for myself as a " machining " area . I could move the drill press , lathe , one of the bench grinders and the belt/disc sander down there and free up alot of garage space . This would also knock down the amount of metal shavings in the garage getting " into " the house which SWMBO would appreciate.


Rick

Rick,

Well it's no wonder that ya think that "newer" table saw is just taking up space!

It is!:D

Get yourself into some vintage table saw iron when you get a chance and you will be not only LOVE using it, but be looking for other 'friends' to keep it company.

Old tools get lonely, ya know?:D Keep more of them around to keep them happy:lol_hitti
 

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Dave I am a lover of Old american equipment just like you :D. I am Honestly embarrased to admit I just went over to look at my " Craftsman 10" table saw " only to see Made in Tiawan somewhere around 1999 . ( No wonder I hate the danged thing ) :D.


Rick
 

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Dave now you have me thinking maybe if I can find a decent old unisaw like yours or a delta like Pauls and sell of this Tiawanese hunk of junk maybe I will feel better about having a tablesaw taking up space :D.


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Alright, new table saw update!

While I finished up wire wheeling the cabinet (took forever!) but I got some other stuff done as well!

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I LOVE MY EXL WHEEL!!! :beer:

I got a lot of the little tidbits polished up:

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I also started doing some work on the fence:

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I'm posting pictures of it for two main reasons:

1) So I don't forget how it goes back together:D
2) I wanted some 'before' pictures because you will not believe this fence when I am done with it. I am grinding, sanding, polishing, painting and who knows what else. I'm not even sure why. I just got an idea in my head to do it up real nice. It will probably be the nicest part on the saw:D

Ok, so how about we do a little contest...

Next up is patching the holes in the cabinet. If you can guess the # of holes I have to patch in it, you will either have your choice to win:

A) Vintage (probably:)) brass/wood folding rule:

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OR

B) Vintage (definitely:D) chalk snap line:

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Both are useful tools or you can hang them on the wall as shop decor.

Let me know what you think the answer is!!! If you win, just pm an address and I'll send out your choice, free of charge:D
 
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