How far can you run an ethernet cable

[ForceFed70]

Google it. There are different frame rates for 1080P. Do you think Netflix does 1080P at 35Mbps?

I think you got your overhead backwards. Wired runs really damn close it's rating. You'll get close to 10MB per second with a 100Mbps link. That's is about 1 CD worth of data in a minute. Which is faster then you can read from a CD directly.

Wireless you get about half what it is rated at. For G you get around 22Mbps. Anything else using the same channel shares that 22Mbps and if you toss a B client in there it is even worse. Distance from the AP comes in to play also. Along with other things that will slow it down. I don't doubt a ****** G network with wrong 1080p compression will have problems.

Full HD video 1080P is not netflix. I am talking blueray quality. That HD **** you get on netflix, Satelite, or even digital cable is not full 1080P, not even close. You might get the resolution (artifically blown up I might add) but no-where near the quality. I don't care what those marketing guys are telling you.

Playstation 3 does not support full 1080P over it's wireless connection. You must use wired. It's because there isn't enough bandwidth.

I suggest you try some googleing yourself. Like I said, the net is full of threads with guys who are unable to stream full 1080P over a solid 802.11G network.

I do think it's possible to get 2 full 1080P streams over an otherwise quiet 100Mb/s network. But never 10 and never a single stream on a 10mb/sec.

My point is that the average home user is already doing things that tax the capabilities of a 100mb/s network. So saying that "100mb/s is plenty" is not correct. It's only adequate and doesn't allow room for future technology.

 

[DodgeZ]

Full HD video 1080P is not netflix. I am talking blueray quality. That HD **** you get on netflix, Satelite, or even digital cable is not full 1080P, not even close. You might get the resolution (artifically blown up I might add) but no-where near the quality. I don't care what those marketing guys are telling you.

Playstation 3 does not support full 1080P over it's wireless connection. You must use wired. It's because there isn't enough bandwidth.

I suggest you try some googleing yourself. Like I said, the net is full of threads with guys who are unable to stream full 1080P over a solid 802.11G network.

I do think it's possible to get 2 full 1080P streams over an otherwise quiet 100Mb/s network. But never 10 and never a single stream on a 10mb/sec.

My point is that the average home user is already doing things that tax the capabilities of a 100mb/s network. So saying that "100mb/s is plenty" is not correct. It's only adequate and doesn't allow room for future technology.

http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-ba...o-stream-a-1080p-HD-movie-off-a-remote-server

Like I said 1080P runs at different frame rates. In which you can run 10 1080P streams across it. Your comment about 1080P maxing out 100meg is just incorrect even at 25-35mbps. What you using to stream the video? Slingbox doesn't even do 1080P

cat5e or cat6 can support gig, you don't have to run out and buy gig switches today.... In 5 years if it is need the cheap SOHO gear will need to be replaced anyways.

 

[ForceFed70]

http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-ba...o-stream-a-1080p-HD-movie-off-a-remote-server

Like I said 1080P runs at different frame rates. In which you can run 10 1080P streams across it. Your comment about 1080P maxing out 100meg is just incorrect even at 25-35mbps. What you using to stream the video? Slingbox doesn't even do 1080P

cat5e or cat6 can support gig, you don't have to run out and buy gig switches today.... In 5 years if it is need the cheap SOHO gear will need to be replaced anyways.

From the article you linked to:

Short answer: for 1080p24 (what you find on a Blu-ray movie of a Hollywood film), roughly 4-8 megabits per second, when using the fanciest compressed format.

The key words being "when using the fanciest compressed format". You can't always have the fanciest compressed format and often it's not practical as it takes hours (like 12 of them) to re-encode a blue-ray movie. And even when you do, that format is lossy and sacrifices a lot of video quality to save bandwidth.

If you want to stream a typical blueray movie in native blueray format AKA the best quality available. You are looking at up to 40 Mb/s. This is common occurance for streaming a downloaded blueray movie to a Playstation 3 for example.

Wikipedia has a good write up about it. Check out the heading for Blue-Ray Disk. They quote up to 40Mb/s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

I never said that a single stream would max out a 100mb link. Where did you get that?

I agree that you can upgrade you switches later although they are pretty cheap now. You might as well just spend the extra $20 and get gigabit capable gear right from the get-go.

 

[orangefury]

Wow, we went from a question of "Can I run 200' of ethernet cable' to streaming bluray video. I think I will get off this train.

 

[SuperSocket]

Fiber and media convertors? This is just a bad idea. More so for a 200 foot run. Media convertors are know to be a huge failure points. Fiber isn't need for 200'. As for the managed switch, if the guy is asking how long a network cable can be run he isn't going to want to config a cisco switch.

Huge failure points? I don't think you totally understand this concept, this is not a mission critical facility, it is residential/small business.


Always run copper over fiber if you can unless if you have a ground potential difference between your buildings or you have a likely chance that the one building can be hit with lightning more so than the other. Between buildings fiber is always specified for these reasons, but in residential it does not really matter. And of course, WIFI is the easiest of all of these options.


I NEVER said to go with anything managed, I said to keep it stupid simple quite a few times.

Ockie, I'm LOLing here in it land!

Hey jeff. I know. People are crazy

I wonder what mebedave is going to think when he signs back in to find out he needs cisco switches, fiber and media convertors.

Good news is. I happen to have a couple Cisco 2950s and a pair of media converts for sale. LOL

I did not say cisco switches at all, in fact, I said the opposite.

 

[DodgeZ]

Huge failure points? I don't think you totally understand this concept, this is not a mission critical facility, it is residential/small business.

I've had to support them. They are pieces of ****. And every network pro I have discussed them feels the same way. Doesn't matter that it is at a house. Fiber for a 200' run is just dumb. Sorry it is and more so when it requires the use of media converts.

Always run copper over fiber if you can unless if you have a ground potential difference between your buildings or you have a likely chance that the one building can be hit with lightning more so than the other. Between buildings fiber is always specified for these reasons, but in residential it does not really matter.[/QUOTE]

I NEVER said to go with anything managed, I said to keep it stupid simple quite a few times.

I don't think that comment was directed at you but the comment was stated in this thread.

I did not say cisco switches at all, in fact, I said the opposite.

I don't think that comment was directed at you but the comment was stated in this thread.


I am glad to hear you are a CCNP also. Not stop giving the rest of us a bad name by recommending media convertors. It is like recommending one of those SOHO wireless routers that locks up every couple of weeks.

 

[SuperSocket]

I am glad to hear you are a CCNP also. Not stop giving the rest of us a bad name by recommending media convertors. It is like recommending one of those SOHO wireless routers that locks up every couple of weeks.

I think you're going to be surprised how prolific media converters are in the infrastructure and communications world. I have not seen a carrier that has not used a media converter yet of some sort.

And those garbage soho routers works great for basic home use Can not recommend a person a 6513-E's with dual SUP 2T's for home use

 

[DodgeZ]

I think you're going to be surprised how prolific media converters are in the infrastructure and communications world. I have not seen a carrier that has not used a media converter yet of some sort.

Well, they are banned at the last 3 companies I have worked for. I know they are out there but like I was saying to oldwizard. There are bad network guys designing with them. I design good stable networks.

And those garbage soho routers works great for basic home use Can not recommend a person a 6513-E's with dual SUP 2T's for home use

Just to be clear my comment was related the ****** SOHO routers. The ones that have problems right out of the box. Like right after Cisco bought Linksys and switched to vxworks. You were lucky if you didn't have to reboot it once a week. There are some good ones out there.

When people ask me about them I tell them it is best to read up on the net about them before picking one to buy. And when they start randomly having issues just toss them out and buy a new one. If you get 2 years out of them you are doing good.

 

[dirttracker18]

What you all are failing to realize is that if you use a kanuter value and reroute the data through the warp drive you can substantially improve your bitrate. However the warp core can only sustain that for 2 light years until an overload begins a warp breach.

Sorry I just wanted in on the conversation

 

[ish993]

You could also run dish to dish in line of sight from house to garage.

 

[countrytech]

What you all are failing to realize is that if you use a kanuter value and reroute the data through the warp drive you can substantially improve your bitrate. However the warp core can only sustain that for 2 light years until an overload begins a warp breach.

yea but only if the data is originating from a QSD (quantum slipstream drive) otherwise you need to have a Borg conduit immediately after the kanuter valve for your idea to work...

 

[knightmasks]

I have CAT6, 200 meters in my house without any problems.

 

[ElectroLight]

It is like recommending one of those SOHO wireless routers that locks up every couple of weeks.

I'm not an advocate of cheap junk WAPs either but my Linksys SRX200 cost $10.95 at Goodwill and has never needed to be rebooted. Most people overlook stable input power as a requirement for their wireless gear. I have my WAP, laptop, cordless phone and 13W CFL table lamp w/appliance timer plugged into an APC Smart UPS 650 (non-managed!). Smooth sailing and doubly nice to have the lights working in a power outage.

+1 for the poor OP getting confused. As stated Cat5e will work just fine you; run it in conduit, may want to use direct burial cable for the hell of it...

 

[mebedave]

You could also run dish to dish in line of sight from house to garage.

Hmmm, should I ask, how do you do this and does it work well

 

[rvr6000]

Why did this thread ever extend beyond one or two reply posts?

 

[TWX]

There are many "flavors" of Ethernet. The "original" IEEE 802.3 (a.k.a. 10Base5)used a special coaxial cable about the size of your thumb (usually yellow or orange). Special "vampire taps" and clamps were used to tap off the cable. The clamp had a connector to an AUI cable to the port on your computer. (Yes, I am THAT old.) There were no hubs/routers/switches back then.

Next came "Thin Wire" (10Base2). It used standard RG58 (NOT RG59) coax and BNC connectors. An adapter box and AUI cable were still required.

The main advantage of these early version was that no hubs/routers were required.

When we played DOOM when I was an adolescent, we all had either NE2000 compatible or RTL8029-based ethernet cards, and since no one could afford a hub we used thinnet with t-connectors. No one could afford the long cable to go from one side of the room to the other either, so we would stick one pin of a phone cord into the center and tape the other pin to the shield at each end. We were still able to play DOOM that way, though looking back on it we probably suffered 30% packet loss...

Thankfully I never had to perform a vampire-tap. Sounds like a PITA. Not that I like RJ-45 as the connectors are far too fragile, but at least they buy pre-made cables for us.

 

[ddawg16]

When we played DOOM when I was an adolescent, we all had either NE2000 compatible or RTL8029-based ethernet cards, and since no one could afford a hub we used thinnet with t-connectors. No one could afford the long cable to go from one side of the room to the other either, so we would stick one pin of a phone cord into the center and tape the other pin to the shield at each end. We were still able to play DOOM that way, though looking back on it we probably suffered 30% packet loss...

Thankfully I never had to perform a vampire-tap. Sounds like a PITA. Not that I like RJ-45 as the connectors are far too fragile, but at least they buy pre-made cables for us.

Boy, does that bring back some memories.....that and Duke Nukem....

 

[Justanoldguy]

Funny how the OP s question was answered by about the 3rd post
but 100 guys still threw up the same answer.
This makes me wonder whether people post an answer BEFORE
reading the rest of the thread.
Just seems like the only logical answer.

 

[onewaydave]

Hmmm, should I ask, how do you do this and does it work well

Google tin can antenna for wireless. Tons of info and it works. Need direct line of sight clear though.

While this thread is dictionary definition for overkill, it was a fun read. I don't think there is but 1-2 statements that have not been contradicted by someone else's opinion.

Was at Perry yesterday, pulling the boat. Great lake for sailors.

Dave.

 

[whatuusay1]

wow - crazy thread. I'm sure the OP is completely lost.

I second the direct bury Cat6e and using a decent soho wireless router on both sides. I tend to check smallnetbuilder.com for quality soho reviews. I'd probably recommend the Linksys E4200 on both sides. There is some merit to those recommending more complex setups inc managed equipment, fiber, etc. but this is a home/small business - none of that complexity is needed for the average guy wanting internet connectivity in his detached garage. I'd also second running 2-3 cat6e total - you can use cat5/6 for a variety of things so when you're going it take the time to run a couple of extra.

You can setup the wireless router in the garage to provide additional coverage for your wireless network. Just be sure to connect the cat6 between the 2 buildings into the LAN ports and disable DHCP on the wireless router in the garage. Do not use the included cd with the wireless router. Set it up via the web interface.

Thats my .02 and I'm a cisco network engineer professionally.

 

[mebedave]

Google tin can antenna for wireless. Tons of info and it works. Need direct line of sight clear though.

While this thread is dictionary definition for overkill, it was a fun read. I don't think there is but 1-2 statements that have not been contradicted by someone else's opinion.

Was at Perry yesterday, pulling the boat. Great lake for sailors.

Dave.

Hello Dave... I live very close to the lake,i can hear the boats. I live on the south west side of the lake near DJ's

 

[Keep]

Wow, I cannot believe the amount of **** that came into this post.

The guy asked how to run 200 feet to his shop. Not how do I wire a damn ISP.

Buy a 500 foot box of cat 6 wire.
Buy 200+ feet of underground sprinkler pipe, 1/2 inch is fine.

Bury the damn pipe, use shopvac to **** a pull string through. Run two lengths of CAT 6 cable.

Terminate ends.

Plug it in the computer (or switch if you prefer).

Holy **** you all tried to make a simple damn answer into some huge deal.

 

[armstrr]

this is what i have done. Got a spool of direct burial, but 3/4" conduit is cheap...I ran 2 pair of cables to the shop and i have two 3/4" and one 1" conduit open to the shop (about 60' from house) from my furnace room and the electric panel area. I also threw some rg6 in there for good measure... think of it this way...with extra cat 6 (or cat 5) you can:

have redundancy
run telephone (hardwired for those power outages)
run an intercom
run high definition from an HDMI splitter (using the right connections/convertors on each end)
and the list goes on and on.

 

[mebedave]

Thanks everyone… here’s what I decided to do with your help.

1. Going one direct burial Cat-6 in conduit (I’ll pull another if that one fails)
2. Some kind of lighting protection, not sure yet what that will be

THANKS!!!!

 

[logical]

Thanks everyone… here’s what I decided to do with your help.

1. Going one direct burial Cat-6 in conduit (I’ll pull another if that one fails)
2. Some kind of lighting protection, not sure yet what that will be

THANKS!!!!

I just now saw this thread, glad you didn't get talked into anything different by all the Nick Burns.

 

[jeffmoss26]

I need that picture for work!! LOL