see my new tool I bought today.

[engnerdan]

I bought a 1/2 and 9/16 Proto/Blackhawk, distributor wrenches, a Snap-On F80 yesterday, and ordered these from the Matco lady Tuesday.

Grey Etorx set 1219ET

Grey Torx set 1234T

And a Mac bent handle 3/8 ratchet showed up on Monday oh and not to forget the ARO 1hp die grinder last Saturday. I have been spoiling myself.

-Dan

 

[blaze_125]

Ok, I'll chip in too...

10" drill press

Gear wrench

 

[eschoendorff]

Ok, I'll chip in too...

10" drill press

Gear wrench

I need to get me a little drill press..... how you like taht 10" model?

 

[Sticky]

I'm following the OP's rules and showing the original packaging.

This is my new Machinist Surface Plate. It is a 18" x 12" x 3" granite surface plate for doing precision measurements on a plane surface. I am not sure I'll use it much, but for the sale price of $39.00, I couldn't pass it up.

It weighs 71 lbs!!!!!

Cool. Is that the one Travelers has on sale this week? I need another that size to build into my new workbench I'm building - gonna mount it flush.

 

[ToolmanTom]

Snap On's site refers to them as "unmarked". Im just saying, for the snap on markup, you are close to getting the real deal Starretts. I have a few starrett telescoping guages that are probably 50+ years old and are still good as new. When it comes to measuring instruments, in my opinion, its always worth paying for starrett.

Im all for snap on, most of my tools are snap on, and I'll pay the crazy markup for real snap on made tools, but for other branded goods they sell, I'll take my money elsewhere.

Its just like the OTC made stuff they sell for 3 times the price.

They don't say snap-on on them, nor did I say I payed A high price for them. You happen to assume allot of things that just aren't true. I do not have to justify what I buy to you, but if you must know. $99. Sure Ill pay the Snap-on dealer the high price, but I also Get awesome deals that even eBay cant beat, like http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466&page=30 and all the tools I bought yesterday are part of the "Tool certificate" that came with the purchase of the box.

 

[ToolmanTom]

Snap On's site refers to them as "unmarked". Im just saying, for the snap on markup, you are close to getting the real deal Starretts. I have a few starrett telescoping guages that are probably 50+ years old and are still good as new. When it comes to measuring instruments, in my opinion, its always worth paying for starrett.

Im all for snap on, most of my tools are snap on, and I'll pay the crazy markup for real snap on made tools, but for other branded goods they sell, I'll take my money elsewhere.

Its just like the OTC made stuff they sell for 3 times the price.

So uh, is she hot? Cause, you know, that would be cool.

I will not ruin it for you, so Ya... She is HOT,Supermodel hot.

 

[ToolmanTom]

Got the price of those blue point/unmarked telescoping inside gauges, you coulda had a set of real Starrett ones! Enco sells that same exact set, from the same manufacturer for $10!

You have got to be kidding? You think anyone can trust the Enco brand with it being only $10? the next closest one is $145 for the Sterrett's that you are talking about, and you say you could get a better deal than me? HUH... not even close! You had really better do your homework son, before you start rattling off at the mouth!

 

[chad s]

You have got to be kidding? You think anyone can trust the Enco brand with it being only $10? the next closest one is $145 for the Sterrett's that you are talking about, and you say you could get a better deal than me? HUH... not even close! You had really better do your homework son, before you start rattling off at the mouth!

There is a guy at Cabin Fever show (In York, Penssylvania) every year that sells nothing but Starrett, and he sells the starrett set of telescoping gauges for $110. My friend I go with every year bought a set. I have done my homework. Do some searching of my posts, I dont "rattle off my mouth" about things I have no experience in, I am not one to start rumors or make false statements. Yes, I can find a better deal than you (your post comes off as if your some incredible force to beat), I have, its just only comes once every 6 months!

Im just saying the Enco ones look identical. Are the Fowlers made in the USA?

 

[chad s]

You have got to be kidding? You think anyone can trust the Enco brand with it being only $10? the next closest one is $145 for the Sterrett's that you are talking about, and you say you could get a better deal than me? HUH... not even close! You had really better do your homework son, before you start rattling off at the mouth!

And if you dont mind buying off of ebay, here are some good examples of how cheaply (all new sets) they can be had:

http://cgi.ebay.com/STARRETT-Telesc...ryZ58235QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Starrett-S-579H...ryZ12581QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Starrett-S-579H...ryZ12581QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


And if you wanted to buy a set in perfect, but used condition (you know a starrett will last forever):

http://cgi.ebay.com/STARRETT-No-S-5...ryZ58231QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Starrett-Telesc...ryZ58231QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (this set is even unused for $45)

http://cgi.ebay.com/STARRETT-NO-579...goryZ633QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[ToolmanTom]

There is a guy at Cabin Fever show (In York, Penssylvania) every year that sells nothing but Starrett, and he sells the starrett set of telescoping gauges for $110. My friend I go with every year bought a set. I have done my homework. Do some searching of my posts, I dont "rattle off my mouth" about things I have no experience in, I am not one to start rumors or make false statements. Yes, I can find a better deal than you (your post comes off as if your some incredible force to beat), I have, its just only comes once every 6 months!

Im just saying the Enco ones look identical. Are the Fowlers made in the USA?

If you look close, all of them look the same on that web site, because they are...the same picture. I never challenged anyone to get a better deal then me, just show off your new tools, like a show an tell. it gives me good ideas of what i should buy next, or at least what is out there to buy.

Yes they are made in USA, Are the Starretts a better Quality than Fowlers?

 

[chad s]

If you look close, all of them look the same on that web site, because they are...the same picture. I never challenged anyone to get a better deal then me, just show off your new tools, like a show an tell. it gives me good ideas of what i should buy next, or at least what is out there to buy.

Im sorry to have offend you, its was not my intention.

I am just sometimes amazed at how Snap On gets away with selling non-snap on tools for such high prices. I know Im paying a lot of markup on a true snap on tool (is a snap on ratchet worth 5 times the price of a craftsman? probably not. Its definately worth 2-3 times the price, but you gotta pay 5 time the price to get it, if buying off the truck). I pay the prices just like everyone else does.

But when another brands tool is 25-50% (or more) higher on the Snap On truck than going else where, when the warranty is the same, I just dont get it. If its a few dollars, I definately understand supporting your snap on guy. But take the example of the new blue point AT215 2" angle grinder. I even foell for that one and bought it. Now its a great tool, but its $159. Its made in Taiwan, and many other comanies re-brand the exact same Taiwaneese 2" grinder, with the same warranty, and sell it for $50-75. You kind of feel taken with stuff like that, after you realize it.

But often, they sell the exactly branded tool (neither Snap On or Blue Point branded) on the S/O truck for MUCH more than other retailers sell it for. I know you have to consider they are driving it to the mechanics, but at some point, it gets to the point where its taking advantage.

 

[chad s]

If you look close, all of them look the same on that web site, because they are...the same picture. I never challenged anyone to get a better deal then me, just show off your new tools, like a show an tell. it gives me good ideas of what i should buy next, or at least what is out there to buy.

Yes they are made in USA, Are the Starretts a better Quality than Fowlers?

Well, this isnt a tool that is actually making the measurement, its just accessing an area, and holding a measurement for another precision tool to measure off of. So Im sure in the short term, there is no difference, certainly not in accuracy.

However, Starrett is such a proven product, that you know you can but it, and never have to replace it again, it will last for many generations. Most of my Starrett measuring tools I have I bought used, and they all still so smooth and accurate as new Starrett products that havnt been used. Many of them are 50+ years old. Of course it depends on the past owners, but most machinists, engine builders, etc treat their measuring tools with extreme respect. A good friend of mine is in his late 50's, and all of his Starrett measuring tools were passed down from his father. They are also all good as new.

My point is, while I am sure the Fowlers work just fine, I KNOW that the Starrett is in for the long haul, longer than you or I will last. Starrett has a proven track record, and you never have to second guess what you are getting. Thats worth the extra money in my opinion.

 

[eschoendorff]

But when another brands tool is 25-50% (or more) higher on the Snap On truck than going else where, when the warranty is the same, I just dont get it. If its a few dollars, I definately understand supporting your snap on guy. But take the example of the new blue point AT215 2" angle grinder. I even foell for that one and bought it. Now its a great tool, but its $159. Its made in Taiwan, and many other comanies re-brand the exact same Taiwaneese 2" grinder, with the same warranty, and sell it for $50-75. You kind of feel taken with stuff like that, after you realize it.

But often, they sell the exactly branded tool (neither Snap On or Blue Point branded) on the S/O truck for MUCH more than other retailers sell it for. I know you have to consider they are driving it to the mechanics, but at some point, it gets to the point where its taking advantage.

It's buy here- pay here. You're paying for a convenience. Yes, it's highway robbery, but if you don't like it - don't buy it.

Many times, techs will need something to get the job done NOW. In some respects, the Snap On truck (or any other tool truck for that matter) is like a 7-11 convenience store.

 

[ToolmanTom]

As far as I can find, $98.80 is the standard retail price for the set of Fowlers that I bought. So Snap-on is right in that range, and I know they are Fowlers. As far as Starrett, the same style of TGs sells around $145. you first was saying it was $10 and now you are talking Quality?You are worse than H.Clinton. skirting around the issues. I asked if they were a better quality because they cost more. but there is no way Im buying that $10 (IMPORT) enco brand. If you ask others here if I paid too much for the Set, you may be shocked at what they say, but I wont. If the tool truck price is too much go to C-Man or where ever else you go, but When you ned a tool now, Snappy is there, tool in hand (Dont go there people, got your mind out of the gutter). and from experience, it saves me money to buy from him than to wait for the UPS girl to bring it. Time is money.

 

[chad s]

As far as I can find, $98.80 is the standard retail price for the set of Fowlers that I bought. So Snap-on is right in that range, and I know they are Fowlers. As far as Starrett, the same style of TGs sells around $145. you first was saying it was $10 and now you are talking Quality?You are worse than H.Clinton. skirting around the issues. I asked if they were a better quality because they cost more. but there is no way Im buying that $10 (IMPORT) enco brand. If you ask others here if I paid too much for the Set, you may be shocked at what they say, but I wont. If the tool truck price is too much go to C-Man or where ever else you go, but When you ned a tool now, Snappy is there, tool in hand (Dont go there people, got your mind out of the gutter). and from experience, it saves me money to buy from him than to wait for the UPS girl to bring it. Time is money.

I said the one sold by snap on look like the $10 ones Enco sells (in the sales flyer sitting here on my desk). I NEVER said Starrett ones were $10! I also NEVER said that the $10 Enco ones were quality!

Its very common for Snap On to sell import tools under the Blue Point name, or unmarked for WAY above average retail. Take the AT215 grinder mentioned above. From Sunex or whatever $59, from Blue Point, $159. Sorry for assuming the Snap On sold ones were not USA made ones. Do the ones Snap On sells say Flowler on them?

Yes, the Starrett ones sell for about $150 retail. You can find them new for $80-110 on ebay and at machine tool/steam engine model shows. As I posted in the above ebay links, new sets are regularly available on ebay fro around $80-110.

You can mold my comments into whatever you want to, But in summary, I said, Snap On ones looked like The cheap enco ones, yet the snap on ones were priced within close range to what you can get Starretts for ($80-110 new on ebay).

 

[chad s]

but there is no way Im buying that $10 (IMPORT) enco brand.

The problem is, you may have! Are the telescoping gauges clearly marked "Made In USA"? Are they clearly marked "Fowler"?

Check out these auctions, look framiliar? :

http://cgi.ebay.com/6pc-TELESCOPING...ryZ29525QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem <- these look exactly like the ones you pictured, at $30, they are not USA made.

And again, starting to look framiliar?:
http://cgi.ebay.com/6-PC-TELESCOPIN...ryZ58231QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Not trying to be a jerk, but your the one getting all worked up, and clearly mis-reading my posts.

 

[ToolmanTom]

Got the price of those blue point/unmarked telescoping inside gauges, you coulda had a set of real Starrett ones! Enco sells that same exact set, from the same manufacturer for $10!

That sounds to me like you called the Snap-on ones the same exact ones.
There is no "looks like" in that Quote

Yes they say made in USA on them, and yes they say Fowler on them.

BTW...I was a Snap-on dealer!

 

[chad s]

That sounds to me like you called the Snap-on ones the same exact ones.
There is no "looks like" in that Quote

Yes they say made in USA on them, and yes they say Fowler on them.

BTW...I was a Snap-on dealer!

Ok, so at least this time the price from them was honest. I personally would have gone with Starrett, for the well established reputation, but Im sure the fowlers are very nice.

However, all too often, an asian made tool is sold by snap on, under the blue point name, and is sold for 2-3 times what other brands sell the exact same tool, from the exact same factory for.

 

[nissan_crawler]

Its very common for Snap On to sell import tools under the Blue Point name, or unmarked for WAY above average retail.

[thread hijack]
The pencil grinder you're talking about sells for $10 (central pneumatic) on sale at HF, $80 on sale at enco (chicago pneumatic), snap-on $159. Guys at work have each brand, all the same. We even tore them down out of curiosity. You have a point on looking out for what's being sold.

[/thread hijack]

That being said, if somebody still wants the snap-on one, it's their money, their tool, more power to them.

 

[blaze_125]

I need to get me a little drill press..... how you like taht 10" model?

I can't say yet.
It's put together but I haven't had a chance to actually try it yet. I will tomorrow

 

[oxycodone]

Mail's here!

w00t!

 

[l_bilyk]

Got these last night

 

[eschoendorff]

Got these last night

I'm thinkin' I might get me a set of those.

 

[MAD]

Got these last night

My three year old daughter got me the smallest size of those Channellock filter pliers for my last birthday. They are a stock item at Home Depot. I think people use them on PVC pipe as well as oil filters.

 

[l_bilyk]

I got the mid-size ones. Should be just right for the filter on my accord and vette. Won't do the filter on our little toyota but i have a filter cap wrench for that one. The honda is a weird sized filter.... If you buy the "premium" bosch or wix or denso it's larger than the factory honda one.

 

[Hawk231]

New acquisitions:

Armstrong Combination wrench set SAE
SK Flare nut wrench set Metric
SK combination set Metric
Armstrong ratcheting wrench set(s) Metric & SAE
Armstrong 1/2" drive impact shallow SAE
Grey Pneumatics 1/2" drive impact shallow Metric
SK crowfoot wrench set SAE & Metric

And, the Craftsman Pro wrench that I got in replacement for my raised panel wrench when I was trading in all the abused wrenches. The guy at sears was to lazy to call another store to see if they had the 16mm in stock, so they gave me a Pro wrench in trade.

 

[eschoendorff]

New acquisitions:

Armstrong Combination wrench set SAE
SK Flare nut wrench set Metric
SK combination set Metric
Armstrong ratcheting wrench set(s) Metric & SAE
Armstrong 3/8" drive impact shallow SAE
Grey Pneumatics 3/8" drive impact shallow Metric
SK crowfoot wrench set SAE & Metric

And, the Craftsman Pro wrench that I got in replacement for my raised panel wrench when I was trading in all the abused wrenches. The guy at sears was to lazy to call another store to see if they had the 16mm in stock, so they gave me a Pro wrench in trade.

Not bad.

 

[Uncle Buck]

New acquisitions:

Armstrong Combination wrench set SAE
SK Flare nut wrench set Metric
SK combination set Metric
Armstrong ratcheting wrench set(s) Metric & SAE
Armstrong 1/2" drive impact shallow SAE
Grey Pneumatics 1/2" drive impact shallow Metric
SK crowfoot wrench set SAE & Metric

And, the Craftsman Pro wrench that I got in replacement for my raised panel wrench when I was trading in all the abused wrenches. The guy at sears was to lazy to call another store to see if they had the 16mm in stock, so they gave me a Pro wrench in trade.

Man how the heck can you guys afford to buy so many high end tools so quick? Even when I was single the only way I could afford to buy that many tools in short order without going into a lot of debt was to buy used and from hock shops and the like, nothing ever seems to change for me except I add fewer tools these days and have a more difficult time justifying such purchases in particular high end tools these days!

 

[Moose-LandTran]

i go a long time without buying any, save up some money and spend it all in one go.

like now. $800-worth of tools, here i come!

 

[krusty the clown]

Man how the heck can you guys afford to buy so many high end tools so quick? Even when I was single the only way I could afford to buy that many tools in short order without going into a lot of debt was to buy used and from hock shops and the like, nothing ever seems to change for me except I add fewer tools these days and have a more difficult time justifying such purchases in particular high end tools these days!

it's an addiction

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Those SK flare nut wrenches look very nice. how much did they set you back, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[nissan_crawler]

Those SK flare nut wrenches look very nice. how much did they set you back, if you don't mind me asking?

I would save your money. I have 3 of them at work, they've been used twice in 6 years, I'm not impressed at all with them.

 

[eschoendorff]

I would save your money. I have 3 of them at work, they've been used twice in 6 years, I'm not impressed at all with them.

What don't you like about them?

 

[nissan_crawler]

They're quite thick, don't get in tight spots, they are TIGHT on fittings, as in, way to tight. If you aren't 100% dead on square, it won't go on. The opening is also tighter than most, so it's tight going on some tubes. I ended up sanding the openings some, and sanded the chrome on the flats.

They have some flex, but I can't say that any other brand would or wouldn't have in the same situation.

 

[Merkava_4]

That's a pretty good answer.

 

[Hawk231]

Man how the heck can you guys afford to buy so many high end tools so quick? Even when I was single the only way I could afford to buy that many tools in short order without going into a lot of debt was to buy used and from hock shops and the like, nothing ever seems to change for me except I add fewer tools these days and have a more difficult time justifying such purchases in particular high end tools these days!

It wasn't a big deal...

 

[Deafautotech]

That's a pretty good answer.

yeah but it will not make noise like your Flank drive plus wrenches made the noise... i am sorry but it is funny...

 

[eschoendorff]

yeah but it will not make noise like your Flank drive plus wrenches made the noise... i am sorry but it is funny...

Deaf made a funny

 

[Uncle Buck]

It wasn't a big deal...

It is when you spend most of your life near broke!

 

[nissan_crawler]

yeah but it will not make noise like your Flank drive plus wrenches made the noise... i am sorry but it is funny...

Deaf - 1
Merkava - 0


Pssst, Deaf...Your wrenches might be clicking too.