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Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT 1950s Craftsman Garage retro remodel

Workspaces sized between 265 and 485 squarefeet.

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When does the new saw arrive? Sure with I had one, just one. My machines are a little bigger, err heaver. Your little drill press started a trend in my garage.

Great work on your garage. Keep the updates coming.
 
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Yon know.... Craftsman did make welders back then, right?. I found this one on the net, just to tease you a little! Honestly though, a welder is a stunning tool to have in a shop. I have a Hobart MIG welder and it's in the top 5 of my useful tools.

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Rick, Paul and tfreer85: Thanks for your thoughts on the snips and other real metal tools:)

Back when I picked up my very first vintage tools, I also brought home with me a ton of smaller, vintage hand tools. I bet some of them are metal tools. I'll take a picture and maybe ya'll can identify some for me:)

firefyter-emt - trust me, I drool over those vintage Craftsman welders every time I look at them in the 1940s-1950s Craftsman catalogs!

Welding is something I'd love to do, but I'm not at the place right now for the investment (welder, rods, gas?, helmet, suit, other small tools). When I get enough tools to be able to cut, bend, shape, etc metal, I'll definitely have to start looking into it.

Now that I think about it, my dad has all the necessary welding stuff. Maybe next time I go out to visit him, I'll ask him to teach me how to use it:)
 

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Aviation snips are very handy :D. I just have a few pairs . Funny enough as Paul mentioned there isnt a single yellow handle " straight cut " in my collection :D.


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Once you get the welder, the only "real" thing you need is a good helmet and some rods. Auto-darkening helmets are the most amazing thing to use. I went years after they first came out before I bought one. I still kick myself for not doing it sooner. But for an arc welder, other than a chip-hammer, you can add the clothing on as you go. A good pair of gloves and a leather apron can be bought cheap at Harbor Freight. (I have both, and they are very good for the low money out-lay) For an ARC, the gas is not required, that is needed to a MIG.
I would try to get your Dad to show you the ropes, it is not all that hard, and with some practice you can be making stuff before you know it.
 
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A Day of Adventure

Today was the day to pick up the Craftsman cabinet saw that some fine folks in our local OWWM group ever so kindly pointed out to me (BIG thanks to Nancy and Brandon [edit: corrected with accurate name! Sorry bout that Brandon!]!). So I headed off on an adventure.

The drive took me up north. Since it was a ways away, I wanted to take the Honda, since it gets about 45mpg avg, versus the 4runner which gets about 1/2 that. Good call? Bad call? How do you fit a full size cabinet (goes all the way to the floor) saw in a Honda? After seeing an OWWM member cart around multi-hundred pound table saws using a bicycle, I realized anything is possible.

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Actually, I kind of cheated, I used my recently painted Atlas saw cabinet and 'pretended' to throw it in the car and it seemed to work okay, so the car it was.

The drive took me out to the plains...
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And here was what awaited me:

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The pictures on the listing looked pretty good, and I was not disappointed.

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Everything checked out. Un-mutilated cabinet sheet metal? Check.

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Engine turned/jeweled faceplate? Check.

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2x unbroken blade elevation/tilting handles? Check.

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Fence and rails? Check.

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Sweet Cutler-Hammer art deco on/off switch? Check.

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The only thing missing was, well...the motor, the motor mount, the belt cover. You know, none of the important stuff (remember, this is an adventure).

So I got it all apart, and this was, somehow, the next step:

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Okay, so throw the table + guts in the trunk:

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And the cabinet gets to ride shotgun:

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So, I got it home, cleaned up most of the sheet metal, put the table + internals back on the cabinet myself (note: will NEVER do this alone again), get everything all back together and here is how she sits:

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Ooohhhhh yeah...

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This is why I love vintage Craftsman (and vintage tools in general):

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Just look at that. Again. Just look. When was the last time tools ever looked so good? Why do all these tools today try so hard to be hyper-'tough' with all their rough plastic edges and over-the-top masculine advertising? What ever happened to elegant?

There was a time when we didn't have to be convinced that only real, burly men used the tools of the day simply because the tools were excellent and stood on their own merits.

In any case, I was very blessed by my OWWM friends and now a quest item is checked off the list. This will be a forever saw, meaning that it has a permanent place in the 1950s Craftsman Garage (the irony in all this is that the manufacturers code is 113, designating it an Emerson, which means that more than likely it is a 1960s saw, but I digress:D).

But, I have even cooler news than picking up the saw.

I was put in contact with a gentleman on the OWWM forums that actually has a spare motor mount for this saw!!! This is HUGE, and on the same day that I pick it up:bounce:

I will be working out the details with him soon, but the saw is one step closer to getting up and running. I could have been waiting a long, long, LONG time for this part to come around. How cool and amazing that one shows up the same day I pick up the saw.

Wow.

In any case, I hope you've enjoy the most recent tool adventure.

Rest assured, there will be more to come (after I sell a bunch of them!!!!:D)

If my wife is reading this, I love you hunny! You are the best wife I could have ever asked for. Thanks for putting up with me:)
 
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Congratulations on the new acquisition. It is a lovely piece. No, they really don't make them like that anymore.

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Red Leader, I looked at that last picture and thought, 'Use elegant tools to make elegant things.' I think the tools can inspire us. How could you hack through some job with a beautiful machine like that?

Congratulations again.
 

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Very nice saw, Red Leader. Just one or two more and you will be looking to add a third bay to that garage!

J/K - I know you plan to sell off some of the equipment eventually. Just besure to do it BEFORE the floor epoxy job!
 

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Dave thats a great looking saw and it looks like you can leave it as a " survivor " . No need for a resto on that one it looks to good to redo :D.


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RL, Could you explain that Exact-I-cut indicator thingy for me please?
I've never seen anything like that. What does it do?
Cheers
Jim

It is supposed to indicate the exact position of the blade relative to the location on the table, that way when you crosscut (or even rip) wood, you have an idea of where the blade is going to cut without actually cutting a small notch in the wood to see if it is where you really want to be making the cut. It is adjustable to accomodate different blades.

It might be a novelty, but it set up correctly, it might be quite useful.

-Dave
 
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That switch is great.

I'm wondering if the switch is actually original to the saw.

A lot of times when you pick up an old power tool you're not really sure what you're going to get, especially considering motors and switches. Sometimes it is an old light switch, and other times it is a switch like what is on this saw.

I do know that in the original debut picture of the saw and subsequent pictures of it, it is pictured with the same switch:

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I've been looking for a similar switch for the bandsaw. Haven't seen anything I like yet. It just had a light switch on it before but that won't do lol. If I find one I'll get one for the table saw too. I'd better get those bearings ordered before I forget how to put the stuff back together!!
 

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The label on the switch says Eaton Cutler-Hammer; Eaton bought Cutler-Hammer in 1978 so the switch (or is it a manual motor starter?) is newer than that. I just looked through their website and didn't find that exact model, but like most electrical equipment manufacturers their website is ****. :) I'll take a look in my catalog at work tomorrow and see if they still carry it.
 
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The label on the switch says Eaton Cutler-Hammer; Eaton bought Cutler-Hammer in 1978 so the switch (or is it a manual motor starter?) is newer than that. I just looked through their website and didn't find that exact model, but like most electrical equipment manufacturers their website is ****. :) I'll take a look in my catalog at work tomorrow and see if they still carry it.

I know my eyesight is getting bad but I don't see Eaton on that switch, where is is at?
 

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Vintage switches... man, they don't make them like that Cutler-Hammer anymore! I have a few in my shop, and will grab anyone I find! If the price is good that is... they bring gold at times.

First, I will share some photos from my shop.

Here is my favorite manual switch on my Delta wood lathe. I love this style, although it could use to be restored. My tools all work, so wear will happen, I guess.
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Then I have this Cutler-Hammer on my drill press, sadly it's missing the nice nameplate. I filled the holes when I restored the drill.
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Then this is a really cool switch that is on my Walker Turner Bandsaw.
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I also have two of these nice switches, they are not the nice art deco ones I love, but these Arrow-Hart switches are more common, and inexpensive all things considered. However, these are wonderful working switches that have a nice feel to them.
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Now to find them, unless you fall into luck... it's off to e-Bay. There you can search for simply "Cutler-Hammer" or add deco, which will narrow them way down. However, like I said... gold plated switch prices! It's hard searching due to the sheer nature of products. Sometimes adding switch, or even saw, may help. Either way, you really want to use a proper motor starter switch (or magnetic switch) and not a normal light switch. Light switches are not made for the in-rush that a motor takes when starting.

Here is the lone "Cutler-Hammer deco" result. (don't forget the common misspelling "Cuttler-Hammer". That might just snag you one for a great deal!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-cutler-...935?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbf09cb7f

PS: Other searches that would help are "Start Stop Switch" and "Allan-Bradley" But be warned, many switches that look perfect for you, could be the remote end of a magnetic switch. You may need to ask the seller if that is the case.
 
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I know my eyesight is getting bad but I don't see Eaton on that switch, where is is at?

Right there. :)

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(I work with this kind of stuff every day, so the logo jumped out at me.)

edit: I looked at my Cutler-Hammer catalog this morning, and it doesn't appear they have that particular device listed anymore.
 

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Dave...please...don't....stop! You are killing me! I have been off the board for a few weeks and come back to find you have an even sweeter looking old tool than the last...I have looked at CL every day and I am still looking for the easy to find drill press. Good work.
Shaun
 

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Dave...please...don't....stop! You are killing me! I have been off the board for a few weeks and come back to find you have an even sweeter looking old tool than the last...I have looked at CL every day and I am still looking for the easy to find drill press. Good work.
Shaun
Shaun, what type are you looking for? I see Atlas, Walker Turner and Craftsman all the time from NC up to PA. Use something like SearchTempest and increase your radius, there is good stuff everywhere. :thumbup:

http://louisville.craigslist.org/tls/2687403247.html
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/tls/2724032730.html
http://muncie.craigslist.org/tls/2700823088.html
http://muncie.craigslist.org/tls/2720596749.html
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/2694947916.html

Yes, I am an enabler. :)
 
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Shaun, what type are you looking for? I see Atlas, Walker Turner and Craftsman all the time from NC up to PA. Use something like SearchTempest and increase your radius, there is good stuff everywhere. :thumbup:

http://louisville.craigslist.org/tls/2687403247.html
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/tls/2724032730.html
http://muncie.craigslist.org/tls/2700823088.html
http://muncie.craigslist.org/tls/2720596749.html
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/2694947916.html

Yes, I am an enabler. :)

WOW, GOOD finds!

That first and last Delta drill press...those are incredible. The first one looks like it has a table raising mechanism...which is probably $100 by itself. Buy the drill, sell the raising mechanism = free drill press:D Also, that last one looks like a DP-225, which is fairly rare to begin with, but on top of that has a cast iron front pulley cover, which I would imagine is extremely, extremely rare. I have never even seen one, and the only pulley covers on ever DP-225 I've ever seen have been the full sheet metal covers. Original looking motor too. Wow.

Shaun, either of those presses would serve you well:)
 

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WOW, GOOD finds!

That first and last Delta drill press...those are incredible. The first one looks like it has a table raising mechanism...which is probably $100 by itself. Buy the drill, sell the raising mechanism = free drill press:D Also, that last one looks like a DP-225, which is fairly rare to begin with, but on top of that has a cast iron front pulley cover, which I would imagine is extremely, extremely rare. I have never even seen one, and the only pulley covers on ever DP-225 I've ever seen have been the full sheet metal covers. Original looking motor too. Wow.

Shaun, either of those presses would serve you well:)

We have to do something to get the infection started. You've done a lot and hopefully those options push him over the edge. :beer:

There were some other presses around Kentucky, but I didn't know how far Shaun would be willing to drive. :3gears:

On another note, I picked up a band saw tonight. Not quite as old as my other stuff. It is a 113.24260 from 1965. It is in pretty good shape. Surprisingly, the only thing I am currently looking for is a nice bench grinder. I have seen a few, but they all sell before I have a chance to get them.
 
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I just read every page of this thread. I love your shop( Garages have cars in them, and I don't see one, so it's a shop.its an Inspiration, and I'd like to have a shop as nice as it. :D ).

I love old tools. I've got a early 50's Craftsman Tablesaw, I just was given my christmas gift from my grandparents, a mid 50's Craftsman Jointer( the first christmas gift my grandma gave to my grandpa, he used it when they build there house, it was still setup the way he left it when he was doing that). My grandpa also gave me his first welder, a Forney F100. Right now i'm waiting on a guy of C-list about a wards router.

I wish we had those cool old tools as plentifuly and cheap you guys out east have them, they seem to be really rare or expencive around here.
 
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Shaun I just happen to know Melvin :D who has the Delta listed on the Louisville CL :D. He is the one I picked up my old Craftsman lathe from as well as a few mower parts here and there :D.


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Vintage switches... man, they don't make them like that Cutler-Hammer anymore! I have a few in my shop, and will grab anyone I find! If the price is good that is... they bring gold at times.

First, I will share some photos from my shop.

Here is my favorite manual switch on my Delta wood lathe. I love this style, although it could use to be restored. My tools all work, so wear will happen, I guess.
switch-1.jpg


Then I have this Cutler-Hammer on my drill press, sadly it's missing the nice nameplate. I filled the holes when I restored the drill.
switch-2.jpg


Then this is a really cool switch that is on my Walker Turner Bandsaw.
switch-4.jpg


I also have two of these nice switches, they are not the nice art deco ones I love, but these Arrow-Hart switches are more common, and inexpensive all things considered. However, these are wonderful working switches that have a nice feel to them.
Switch-3.jpg


Now to find them, unless you fall into luck... it's off to e-Bay. There you can search for simply "Cutler-Hammer" or add deco, which will narrow them way down. However, like I said... gold plated switch prices! It's hard searching due to the sheer nature of products. Sometimes adding switch, or even saw, may help. Either way, you really want to use a proper motor starter switch (or magnetic switch) and not a normal light switch. Light switches are not made for the in-rush that a motor takes when starting.

Here is the lone "Cutler-Hammer deco" result. (don't forget the common misspelling "Cuttler-Hammer". That might just snag you one for a great deal!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-cutler-...935?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbf09cb7f

PS: Other searches that would help are "Start Stop Switch" and "Allan-Bradley" But be warned, many switches that look perfect for you, could be the remote end of a magnetic switch. You may need to ask the seller if that is the case.

Cool switches. I believe my GTD lathe has an Arrow Hart switch. I will eventually be looking for an art deco switch for the Delta jointer w/ cast iron stand. My Craftsman band saw will be getting a pretty cool switch as well...lemme see if I get go get a picture of it. It is an NOS 1950s Cutler Hammer switch, but not the art deco kind. Haven't seen another one like it...
 

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Just saw an old Craftsman drill press on the local CL for just $40. Unfortunately, my debit card has been compromised and I cannot get cash out for the next week, until the new card comes in the mail...or I would have made the drive to pick it up today. I am so tired of my Ryobi bench-top drill press stalling under load. Oh well, I'm sure another one will turn up soon.

All of your projects continue to look great, as usual! (I feel like a broken record, when I am posting to your thread). Looking forward to seeing what is next on the garage build.
 
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I just read every page of this thread. I love your shop( Garages have cars in them, and I don't see one, so it's a shop.its an Inspiration, and I'd like to have a shop as nice as it. :D ).

I love old tools. I've got a early 50's Craftsman Tablesaw, I just was given my christmas gift from my grandparents, a mid 50's Craftsman Jointer( the first christmas gift my grandma gave to my grandpa, he used it when they build there house, it was still setup the way he left it when he was doing that). My grandpa also gave me his first welder, a Forney F100. Right now i'm waiting on a guy of C-list about a wards router.

I wish we had those cool old tools as plentifuly and cheap you guys out east have them, they seem to be really rare or expencive around here.

Thank you for your nice comments! Kinda ironic because I also look at a lot of other garages on here and think "Gee, I wish I had a shop as as those!".

Mainly I say that because it is a disaster right now, which you can sort of make out from the background of a lot of the photos. At some point it will be one of those awesome, pristine working shops, but it won't be tomorrow:D

I appreciate your interest in the project. Lots more to come!
 
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Cool switches. I believe my GTD lathe has an Arrow Hart switch. I will eventually be looking for an art deco switch for the Delta jointer w/ cast iron stand. My Craftsman band saw will be getting a pretty cool switch as well...lemme see if I get go get a picture of it. It is an NOS 1950s Cutler Hammer switch, but not the art deco kind. Haven't seen another one like it...


Here we go, found it:)

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I dunno what it was about this switch, but I really liked it when I saw it and thought it would look perfect aboard my 50s era 18" Craftsman band saw (okay okay, I know the reason...its the light:D)

Also, in other somewhat-related garage news, I've made some progress on the Atlas 3160. We've had a streak of 50-60ish degree weather, which means painting!

In every attempt to keep me accountable for this project, here is the latest on it:

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Internal castings painted


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Cabinet with its second and final coat.

The first coat came out like **** - had lots of little fibers in the paint, runs, etc. I sanded it down and gave it a second shot and came out a lot better. I absolutely loved the primer I used (Dupli-Color self-etching primer) and absolutely did NOT love the paint I used (Rustoleum metallic grey). The color on the Rustoleum is nice, but something about the sprayer nozzle leaves a very un-uniform finish and (from what I remember) the paint has no hardener in it, so it is much less durable than other types of paint out there.

If any of your paint masters have any tips for a light buffing to even out the paint and give it more of a gloss finish, I'm all ears. Also, the inside back part is pretty bad - I forgot to wipe down from the steel wool on the outside of the cabinet and so all these little fibers got embedded in the paint. BUT it is on the inside:D

Again, I'm not great at paint, so any tips (preferably cheap-free) appreciated:)

Here are some other parts I need to also finish:

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Handwheels!

Don't ask me why, but I love these handwheels. Simple, elegant, solid cast iron. They are MUCH better than what is on the new Craftsman cabinet saw I just picked up (hollow pot metal). I really like the design on these too.

It makes me want to cast copies that have the same internal attachment design as the Craftsman handwheels so I could also have a pair for that saw.

As I am finishing up parts for this saw...please, say a prayer for me. For it will only be by the good Lord's guidance that I actually figure out how the heck this saw actually goes back together:lol_hitti I have parts strewn all over the garage and vague memories of taking everything apart. The problem isn't so much how to get it back together, it is remembering which parts are which and whether or not I can find them:D
 
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