Shop truck transformation starts

[MP&C]

Well time to start a thread to document the tranformation of our "shop" project, making this into a car hauler.

I've been collecting parts for getting the cab and chassis ready for a ramp bed, and unfortunate to the truck's heritage, the tandem axles don't work well with a ramp bed (nor do the 8.50:1 gear ratios) So here are some other goodies collected, plans for air ride front and rear, air brakes all around....should stop on a dime!

Recently though, I had been having trouble with the old girl running rough, just falling on it's face. Kinda takes the wind out of your sails as far as project enthusiasm goes. I was leaning toward a fuel pump issue, and when I pulled the inlet line to the fuel pump, the slight trickle was a good indicator of some sediment in the tank behind the seat. As the factory tank size limited your range anyhow, time to upgrade. We (the VP of ATHS and myself) went on a road trip today to RLJackson truck salvage in Port Tobacco MD, and picked up a nice 33 gallon saddle tank version. That should about double the effective capacity/range.

The truck's past history as a fire truck in the mountains of Oregon was evident as some reminders of the old body still remains on the frame, so first order of business is to clean those off .....

Test fitting....

Hope to get it bolted on tomorrow and hooked up for a test run.

 

[machine_punk]

That's a great-looking truck! I am looking forward to see how you get all those modern parts on an older frame (something I've been thinking about doing for a while).

 

[Mmfh]

That truck is going to make a great looking car hauler! I'll be watching to see what you do with it.

What's going on with the '55 in the garage?

Mm

 

[Grazz256]

More Please. Thank You.

 

[JonBoehman]

This is going to be an awesome build already. Does it have the flat head or has it been updated with a Y block or something even newer? Keep the progress coming. I would like to build one of these as well for my 56' f100.

 

[mike13u]

Yes, might as well just subscribe now.
We are in for a show here....

 

[2drx4]

I subscribed too. I always enjoy these builds.

What's this thing got for an engine and transmission, and will you be retaining that?

 

[kbs2244]

How did it get from OR to MD?

 

[Steve from Socal]

Why didn't you just mount the body on another frame? With air brakes you don't need that driveshaft parking brake and, the steering is better on a newer chassis ? It is not a restoration using original parts why use the old frame?


Steve

 

[NASTYZEN]

Robert, that is a nice model to be doing something with. Your the man.
Would you believe I torched a few of those into little bits when I was a teenager.....They were used to transport cars in the day. They had reached a zillion miles.
One of them had hundreds and hundreds of beer bottle caps in it lodged all over.
Drinking and driving a rig was fun back then....

 

[coldfusion21]

Mind sharing some more info on the truck as you got it and perhaps any history you know with regards to the trucks past life? There's lots of great commercial trucking history in Oregon.

Looks like a neat project!

 

[gauder the goof]

I'm jealous.

 

[MP&C]

Thanks for the comments guys

.......What's going on with the '55 in the garage?

I'm using it to find out exactly how much replacement body parts AREN'T made for the 55 wagon..... Customers car, if I can slow down the trips overseas for work, I hope to finish it this year.

Does it have the flat head or has it been updated with a Y block or something even newer?

The 51 Big Job's would have had a flathead, 52 was the first year for the OHV engine. The F7 used a 279 Lincoln Y block (differs from the Ford Y block...) and the F8 used a 317 Lincoln Y block.

Why didn't you just mount the body on another frame? With air brakes you don't need that driveshaft parking brake and, the steering is better on a newer chassis ? It is not a restoration using original parts why use the old frame?
Steve

Nothing wrong with this frame. Three thicknesses, I think it will more than hold anything I need to carry. Plus, most other newer vehicles will have 34" wide frame rails front to back. This thing has a narrow cab, and the frame rails pinch together toward the front accordingly. Not a simple swap. But then, neither is what I have in store...

With the air brakes presently on it, you most certainly DO need a driveshaft parking brake (or an external pkg brake of some kind). We're talking 1952 technology. Once the new rear (with modern air brakes) goes in, the driveshaft parking brake will be scrapped, as yes, the dual air chambers provide for a parking brake.

How did it get from OR to MD?

Robert, that is a nice model to be doing something with. Your the man.
Would you believe I torched a few of those into little bits when I was a teenager.....They were used to transport cars in the day. They had reached a zillion miles.
One of them had hundreds and hundreds of beer bottle caps in it lodged all over.
Drinking and driving a rig was fun back then....

I know quite a few people would like to have some parts off of those.... I'm in pretty good shape with mine, absolutely no rust.

Mind sharing some more info on the truck as you got it and perhaps any history you know with regards to the trucks past life? There's lots of great commercial trucking history in Oregon.

Looks like a neat project!

Was originally built about 1953 or so into a firetruck for Idanha Rural Fire Protection District. I've got the original registration card showing that, and it was the only time it was resistered. I think they are up NW of Bend, in the mountains. I was looking for a cabover at the time I saw this, happened to be looking at an ebay ad for a pickup truck, and this truck was in the background of one of the last pictures. Emailed for more info, finally got ahold of the guy a week or so later (non-email owner, his buddy listed it for him) I had seen quite a few closer to me that all had the typical rust in door bottoms, cab corners, fenders, etc. This one has none of those issues, probably the only reason I didn't pass it up.



Now for today's update, I did wind up moving the tank up a bit more, the top of the brackets are 3" above the frame. The frame on this is three thicknesses from the front cab mount back, and as the outer one was installed circa 1953 when the fire truck conversion was done, they aren't tempered. Even though the 18v Milwaukee was going through 3/4" or so, it was rather easy drilling.

Drained the old tank and thought I'd use some paint strainers to keep from having the fuel flow issues with this tank. I think we may have found the problem...

Got the old tank drained and removed, it will be a good time to vacuum out all the crevices back there behind the seat to keep the lower cab corners rust free.... Here it is after the test run (and fuel fill up)

One item crossed off the list, next will be to get started on the rear(s) swap.

 

[Steve from Socal]

I was referring to the modern maxi cans, are you familiar with ping tanks? You may want to add one to the rear axle airbags. Looks like a fun project.

I have been wanting to do an Advanced Design COE on a modern chassis for quite a while. My future shop in Kansas will allow me the room to do it.

Steve

 

[MP&C]

Maxi Can? New one on me. I am removing the two existing air tanks, there are two larger ones going on that are off of a school bus that had f&r air ride..

 

[jam022316]

Subscribed. This is awesome. Good luck on the project. Looks like a lot of fun.

 

[Steve from Socal]

Maxi Can? New one on me. I am removing the two existing air tanks, there are two larger ones going on that are off of a school bus that had f&r air ride..

Maxi cans are a colloquially like calling jeans Levi's. They are dual chamber air brakes with a spring parking brake. Do you have a dryer and wet tank on the truck? You may want to look at a current air braked truck to see what they have.

Steve

 

[bad_idea]

cool truck.

 

[98TJ]

Man, this is going to be cool.

 

[VairKing]

This is awesome, I can't wait to see more! For inspirational purposes I will post pictures of my "heavy hauler" Its a 1986 Ford C8000 that was a functioning firetruck when I bought it. I have big plans of building a ramp bed for it with camper living quarters in the wedge, but time is a valuable thing around here so it has a non-tilting flat bed right now. Hopefully in the next year or two I can get the wedge built, which will allow me to re title it as an RV instead of a "non-commercial truck" which will save me thousands in insurance. It has a 3208 Turbo Cat diesel V8, Allison automatic, air brake, 3.73 Rear end and gets about 12 mpg cruising 65 mph with 3 cars in tow. Enough jabber heres the pictures:

 

[HOTFR8]

WOW I will be following this one with interest. If it was mine I would have set it up with a tilt tray as that extra axle would carry much more weight or as a semi trailer situation as you can carry more on a trailer. Interetsing to see so many Ex Fire trucks on this forum being converted for a new purpose. My International 4x4 was to high to be used as a ramp or tilt tray so flat tray and tow bar has worked well.

This is my International here on the foum but I am sorry I do not know why the photos no longer appear.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32307&showall=1

 

[Super Sport]

Awesome! Looking forward to seeing the finished product!

 

[Treyz82]

Just curious what the plans for the tilt bed are? Are you looking ar repurposing one or having one built?

 

[MP&C]

Not using a tilt bed, using a ramp bed. Will likely be a Hodges:

http://www.hodgescustomhaulers.com/haulers.html


VairKing, that square cab is sure in nice condition!

 

[diesel research]

Maybe keep the old drum parking brake?

Those brake chamber parking brakes fail all the time. The spring or pressure plates break in half, then you can't cage them (mechanically) and end up having to piggy back the chamber unless you want to go through and recalculate stroke geometry.

Granted, they almost never go out both at the same time.

 

[VairKing]

I am hoping to build a ramp bed for my Ford cabover similar to this. Just more heavy hauler ****

 

[Mmfh]

I'm curious about the ramp haulers, I'd love to make one myself. Looking at the picture of the Cougar on the back of that old Ford, wouldn't a person want that car, or the weight of that car, up higher on the back of that truck?

Seems like you would want the weight in between the wheels? Can he drive that truck with that car that far to the back, or is it staged like that for the pic?

Mm

 

[bluebolt]

I'm curious about the ramp haulers, I'd love to make one myself. Looking at the picture of the Cougar on the back of that old Ford, wouldn't a person want that car, or the weight of that car, up higher on the back of that truck?

Seems like you would want the weight in between the wheels? Can he drive that truck with that car that far to the back, or is it staged like that for the pic?

Mm

That's pretty normal for that type of ramp truck. The car weight behind the axle is offset by the extra metal of the cabinet portion up front plus all the equiment inside which would include tools, generator, compressor, jack and spare parts and tires.

 

[Jagmandave]

Plus the heaviest part of that car (the engine) is between the wheelbase of the truck........

 

[onewaydave]

Robert, keep the posts up, I always enjoy what you share. It is a learning experience.

Dave.

 

[VairKing]

When the truck weighs 15,000+ lbs, a couple thousand pounds hangin off the *** end doesnt hurt a thing...

 

[NUTTSGT]

This looks to be a cool project and I'll be checking it out.

I don't want to sound sacrilegious or anything, but have you considered swapping in a PSD for power under the hood ?

 

[MP&C]

This looks to be a cool project and I'll be checking it out.

I don't want to sound sacrilegious or anything, but have you considered swapping in a PSD for power under the hood ?

It will likely get that or a 5.9 cummins. Will have to measure a bunch to see which one will be less cutting. I think the cummins would require firewall work.

 

[csp]

This thread may have some useful information in regards to swapping the Cummins in.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=913464

 

[HOTFR8]

It will likely get that or a 5.9 cummins. Will have to measure a bunch to see which one will be less cutting. I think the cummins would require firewall work.

This thread may have some useful information in regards to swapping the Cummins in.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=913464

Having put a Cummins into an 1948 F4 truck I can speak on it being a better motor and far more reliable. The Cummins if you have mechanical injection and not electronic would be a far better vehicle. A link under my signature takes you to the project build here on this forum but I am sorry to say many of the photos have now gone.

 

[joedirtmopar]

I'm surprised Idanha Fire isn't still using this truck... Not much going on there these days with the ailing timber industry here. Beautiful drive through there though. One of the most scenic highways in the state.

Cool truck. Must have a diesel! PSD's are fine, but more complicated on the wiring and controls, unless you go with an older IDI 7.3 turbo or something. Cummins is pretty popular for converions lately. I'm doing a 4BT in my 76 F-250. A warmed up 6BT or even a stocker would be fun driver.

I'm interested in watching your progress.

 

[MP&C]

Thanks for all the comments.

Well, it doesn't look like much progress, but I got the air hose stretched outside to release the air brakes, and moved the rear clip inside. John Deere with a front loader comes in handy.

Started loosening bolts this evening, and taking parts off. I think the pieces of frame rail will make a good template, clamp to the trucks frame and drill some holes.. More to come...

 

[HOTFR8]

Sorry but I can not see the photo.

 

[MP&C]

See if that helps.....

 

[HOTFR8]

See if that helps.....

Sure did.