Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT 1950s Craftsman Garage retro remodel

[flybefree]

Woah, woah, woah...back the thread up. Did you say that a Do-all cost $14k? Wow...wow...that's amazing. Ok, back to your regulary scheduled programming...

Shaun

 

[american3.14guy]

There is a power bronze @1957 radial arm saw (on the expensive base cabinet) for sale here in Denver about $100. The guy also has a matching 100 table saw (with extensions, fence and stand). Both are used but beautiful. You could get both at a good bargain.

Let me know if you're interested. Can give you the guys email.

Thank you, but I think I'll have to pass right now. Thanks though!

 

[Red Leader]

There is a power bronze @1957 radial arm saw (on the expensive base cabinet) for sale here in Denver about $100. The guy also has a matching 100 table saw (with extensions, fence and stand). Both are used but beautiful. You could get both at a good bargain.

Let me know if you're interested. Can give you the guys email.

Fritz,

Ya know, the more I think about it, the more that Craftsman radial saw interests me.

I do already have a Craftsman radial saw, and it is the rare Parks version from 1952, but my main problem with it is that the armature is attached to the saw head casting, which slides through a housing mounted to the cabinet ala Walker Turner radial arm style. Therefore, it always has about 2 feet sticking out behind it, so I can't put it up against the wall. I am a huge fan of rare Craftsman items, so I wasn't ever really too excited about the Emerson design, but the fact I could put it right up against the wall and that it has the rare base may be pushing me to take a second look at it. I'm going back there on Friday I think to pick up that art deco cabinet, so maybe I'll take another look at it. Maybe he'd be willing to bargain a little. I would even mind grabbing that table saw either. Yeah, I know...a Craftsman bench saw is the last thing I need. But gosh if that one wasn't just absolutely beautiful, with the art deco C/H switch.

I remember pulling the arm on the radial and it was a little sticky It would definitely need some attention, but I think the paint was nice. Oh and it had the key! I am imagining it under the center of my shelves. I would put some fold down shelves (or fold up!) on each side to give it some 'wings' to support wood. I had thought about saving that spot for an old Red Star Multiplex, but if I wasn't such a sucker for Craftsman...


Oh, and to everyone who is considering old tools. I did something fun tonight. I thought I would do some calculations on how much I bought and sold tools for and where my current balance was. After calculating everything out, it turns out that since I've been buying/selling these tools I spent a whopping $145 to fill my garage up with vintage machinery. This includes:

Craftsman/Parks radial saw
Craftsman 18" band saw
Atlas 53 drill press
Greenfield Tap & Die Corp wood lathe
Delta Jointer (w/ art deco base)
Homecraft jig saw
Kniesly Yager K2000 planer
Craftsman Grinder #1
Craftsman Grinder #2
Atlas 10" 3160 cabinet saw
Craftsman 10" cabinet saw

= tools that are currently not sold and being counted in the $145 price. Once I have the Craftsman cabinet saw up and running I am hoping to sell the Atlas and hopefully that will put me completely in the black. This definitely is not to brag (okay maybe it will give me some justification for talking to the wife hee hee) and I believe all the tools I've sold have either been good deals/fair prices. After all, they sold

It is more to say that if you are patient, vintage machinery can be fun and extremely cost effective. I challenge anyone to go out there with $145 to HD or any other store and see how far it will go (on chinese ****, nonetheless). Now, that figure up there definitely doesn't include items for refurbishment, including new bearings, electrical, paint, misc parts, belts, etc - but those amounts are not exorbitant either and come with the territory.

My first vintage purchase was July of 2010. It has only been 1 1/2 years so far. It makes me excited about the next 1 1/2 years

 

[Red Leader]

Woah, woah, woah...back the thread up. Did you say that a Do-all cost $14k? Wow...wow...that's amazing. Ok, back to your regulary scheduled programming...

Shaun

Considering I have a real hard time paying over $100 for anything, a DoAll might be out of my reach for a little while

 

[Red Leader]

That's the cool thing about having your own all-inclusive garage thread...you can talk about whatever you are doing at the time (I find myself starting very few new threads now...I just put whatever I am working on in my Aerodrome Studio thread).

Keep up the good work. I cannot wait to see the finishing touches on your garage, when it finally warms up enough to get back out there. Part of me understands the desire to have 'all Craftsman' tools...the rest of me is just impressed with the old iron you already have.

You have inspired me to look a little harder for older tools in the local area (unfortunately, California doesn't seem to be quite the mecca of old tools...and what old tools there are seem to be made of gold or platinum, at the prices people are asking).

Thanks Machine_Punk - glad you are enjoying the thread. It seems that talking about old tools is a hit with this crowd, so I'm glad I fit in

I'll be excited to get back out there as well...when the weather warms up...to grind the entire floor with a hand grinder for the epoxy. (repeat to self daily)

 

[Red Leader]

wow nice work....

Thanks Judith! I appreciate you stopping by!

 

[Tubal-Cain]

Considering I have a real hard time paying over $100 for anything, a DoAll might be out of my reach for a little while

how about 300$ for a Do All

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/tls/2719277233.html

 

[egads74]

Nice garage and tools... Quick question... Looking at a Sears 10" Radial Arm Saw a friend has... not used in 20 yrs... after depressing start, I had to finger turn the bolt holding the blade to get it to turn... it goes but only slowly... is this worth messing with? Can the motor be fixed as parts not avail. Rest of saw is in great shape. sorry for the sideway tangent in your thread...
model 1113.199300
motor assembly link http://www.searspartsdirect.com/par...00001488/00007?blt=06&prst=0&shdMod=113199300

 

[FritzA]

Sorry to but into your thread but I spotted this Cman hand sander. What a great period look!! Anybody have one?

Overpriced in my opinion but something interesting to see.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/tls/2754682502.html

 

[shopnut]

how about 300$ for a Do All

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/tls/2719277233.html

Someone might get a deal there.

I remember being introduced to DoAll's when I was pretty young (maybe 10). I was visiting my grandpa for the weekend and we broke a bandsaw blade in his shop. So in we went to his workplace and welded it up right there on the side of the saw, apparently a DoAll because I recall it looking just like the one in the photos above. Of course, back then I didn't pay attention to the brand of the tool, so I'm glad the topic came up to sort of fill in the blanks of that memory. Now I want one, dang it!

RL - Dallas isn't that far away!

 

[flybefree]

Two things.

1) RL, your balance sheet method really shows the value of your hobby...too cool.

2) TUBAL-CAIN! Are you the buggy whip maker from Illinois with all the great shop videos on Youtube? I made all my Christmas presents this year on the lathe thanks to those videos!

Shaun

 

[Tubal-Cain]

Two things.

1) RL, your balance sheet method really shows the value of your hobby...too cool.

2) TUBAL-CAIN! Are you the buggy whip maker from Illinois with all the great shop videos on Youtube? I made all my Christmas presents this year on the lathe thanks to those videos!

Shaun

@ flybefree - No, I'm not that guy on you tube. I really need to change this username. I had picked it because Tubal-Cain was the first blacksmith in the Bible. I work with metal as my hobby and creative outlet so naturally I was trying to come up with a clever name and then to my surprise I found out that that was a channel on youtube. That guy is very talented. Your the second person to catch that. On the Welding Web forum someone asked me the same question. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[machine_punk]

Ha...I saw your username and was rushing to ask, "Are you that guy..." Fortunately, I read the previous post first.

Otherwise, I like the way you came up with your username, just unfortunate someone already has it.

Hmmm...maybe we ought to write that guy and ask him to join GJ. I know I've enjoyed his stuff (of course, he doesn't need GJ to get his story out...he's got a pretty good following already.)

Small world

(sorry for the minor detour on your thread, RL)

 

[Red Leader]

Okay...

Contest Time!!!

In the spirit of Christmas, the 1950's Craftsman Garage is giving away a table saw/jointer combo unit! I picked this little guy up because I just couldn't resist, but you've all seen my garage. Way too many tools!!!!! (well, almost).

Anyway, I know someone else would get a lot more use out of this tool than I would, so it is free to whomever would like to participate and win the contest! All you have to do is tell me what you would use it for and why it should be yours. You can visit the 'official' contest at this link:

http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129584

I will clean the saw up, replace any worn belts, completely redo the electrical, completely clean all flat cast iron surfaces (saw and jointer tables and fences), put a carbide-tipped blade on it and have it looking **** 'n spam and ready to rock.

I'm located in Denver, but don't sweat the location piece. We'll find a way to get it to you. I have connections...

Thanks all for your contributions to this thread! I have gained much from GJ...time to give back

 

[TireTracks]

Thats cool of you to do. Some of it looks delta, but then theres a craftsman motor on it...

I like the dust shoot on the saw, never seen one have that before.

And I wish I had connections. Theres a Scroll saw sitting in detroit with mah name on it.... wink wink??

 

[flybefree]

Contest Time! It is beginning to feel a lot like Christmas.

 

[Wingnut65]

Sweet. Very generous, Dave. Makes me wish I had some extra space to be able to adopt a sweet combo like that.

 

[GirlnAgarage]

Very generous RL! You are going to be reading a lot of entries

 

[gts340]

I'm just not worthy of a machine like that. Never had the experience of using one either. Very cool tool!

 

[tinbender 66]

Mighty generous offer Dave! That looks like a cool old saw.

I have two table saws already. That's enough. I don't want to end up like you

 

[Bob Heine]

Very generous RL! You are going to be reading a lot of entries

IMHO the first entry in the contest is about all he needs to read.

 

[jeepnut24]

I REALLY want a CMAN toolbox like the one you found. Heck even one in worse shape! My grandfather had a garage full and they all went to my cousins. I would LOVE to find one.

If you run across any spare tool stands, especially the steel ones, keep me in mind. I need one for the drill press.

 

[Red Leader]

I REALLY want a CMAN toolbox like the one you found. Heck even one in worse shape! My grandfather had a garage full and they all went to my cousins. I would LOVE to find one.

If you run across any spare tool stands, especially the steel ones, keep me in mind. I need one for the drill press.

I actually saw a similar, albeit smaller, Craftsman top and bottom chest on Craigslist in Kansas I think. Was at an antique shop at a much lower price than I paid for mine

However, when I saw the ad, it was a few days old - which in Craftsman cabinet tool chest lingo means 'gone'

-Dave

 

[TONE]

Did you bail on finishing the garage?

 

[Red Leader]

Did you bail on finishing the garage?

Nope, not at all! A couple of reasons why I haven't done more work out there:

1. Weather has been very cold here and my shop has no heat
2. I promised my wife I'd work on the downstairs to wall off the furnace so that cold air doesn't continue to permeate the basement and creep upstairs.

#2 required moving the water heater (done), which required the purchase of proprietary tools to do the plumbing (Uponor Aquapex) and will also require a slight re-routing of the main gas pipe into the house. Once that is done, I can start getting some steel studs up and once that is done I can start on the sheetrock.

Once that little project is done I will be able to focus a little more attention on the garage. My plan over Christmas is to make a dent in the workbench build. I have the legs of the main workbench precision cut to length - next steps will be routing some slots and corner curves in them. Then, cutting up some plywood and 2x4s and putting it together. Then, it will be getting the table glued up and installed.

So nope, no bailing. Just a little break until I can get back out there and focus.


BTW, love your garage. Very, very nice:

 

[Red Leader]

Update Time! Update Time!

So while I have been taking a little break from the garage work, behind the scenes, I've been getting a lot done on the Atlas cabinet saw. All these parts:

Have been primed:

And painted! (sorry no photos right now)

The cabinet was primed and painted. The first coat looked awful. Lots of runs, fibers in the paint, etc. The second coat came out much nicer. It is far from perfect, but for a woodworking tool, it should do nicely and still presents very well. These are shots in-between coats:

I got the 6202 5/8" arbor bearings in the mail a bit ago, and just today had the chance to do something about it.

Remember this?

By daveamy at 2011-10-07

Well, that all came apart and now I need to get it all back together.

I used a huge puller to get the arbor flange off the spindle, but I knew I wasn't going to get it one without special tools. There was no was I was going to pound it on. Not only would I have damaged a critical surface, but it wouldn't have even made a 'dent' in getting the thing on (terrible pun).

So! A local OWWM friend who attended the CO Fest at the 1950s Craftsman Garage was able to help me out! He has a huge (Dake?) arbor press that I believe has a press load around 4000lbs. I asked him if I'd be able to use the press when I got the bearings in. He said "Sure, come on over!"

Well, today was the day!

I loaded up the parts in a backpack, strapped myself on a motorcycle and tool a nice leisurely ride down to his place and his well-equipped shop. I told him that since I was visiting another garage, the guys on the forum were going to hound me for pictures. I didn't get panoramic shots of his shop, but I was able to photograph some of his toys:

Circa 1942 Walker-Turner 14" band saw:

WITH cast iron base

Some other nice shop tools:

I cannot even believe that I didn't get a picture of his arbor press. How ridiculous! All that to say, we looked for a collar to press the bearing on the internal flange with, but couldn't find one. So he said we'd just make one On this:

War-time production South Bend 9" metal lathe. Ooooohhh yeah!!

Glamour shots:

So he chucked up some acrylic/plastic type rod and we made a collar to press the parts on.

It was a new experience for me. I told him a 'certain' forum member wouldn't let me get away with not showing this, especially on the little South Bend. I now want a metal lathe. Rick I hope your happy

So these were the parts we were dealing with (yes, I even brought the casting:

To make the flange start easier and to not gall or damage the internal bore of it, he suggested we hit the arbor threads to knock down any high spots:

We pressed the bearing and flange on the saw blade side.

It was easy getting the bearing on, but even with a 4000lb capacity press, it was tough getting that flange on - it is a TIGHT fit. I couldn't even imagine how hard it would have been (getting it off or putting it on) if it was severely corroded. Next, we shifted to the pulley side:

We pressed that bad boy on and bam! Done!

And just for fun -

Before:

After:

I will now be able to start building the internals of the saw! I may have a few parts (including one acme threaded rod) to do a little electrolysis with but this saw is going back together soon! I'll try and take some more pictures of the finished parts I have. I sprayed the underneath of the table a gold color and it turned out great!

A HUGE thanks goes out to Keith for accommodating my project and helping me out through his knowledge, skill, and tools. It was a fun and educational experience. I will at the very least owe him a beer Thank you for your help today! And beautiful shop! Don't forget to join up when you do your garage addition!

Stay tuned for more everyone!

 

[rickairmedic]

Yep see how handy having a Lathe can be . That is a swet looking pre war SB as well . I see he has a mill as well so if you cant find the motor mount for your other saw he has the abilty to make one .


Rick

 

[TONE]

Cool, I was hoping you weren't moving onto to other things without wanting to finish the garage. We all want to see it completed with some nice finished photos.

Looking forward to Spring!

Nope, not at all! A couple of reasons why I haven't done more work out there:

1. Weather has been very cold here and my shop has no heat
2. I promised my wife I'd work on the downstairs to wall off the furnace so that cold air doesn't continue to permeate the basement and creep upstairs.

#2 required moving the water heater (done), which required the purchase of proprietary tools to do the plumbing (Uponor Aquapex) and will also require a slight re-routing of the main gas pipe into the house. Once that is done, I can start getting some steel studs up and once that is done I can start on the sheetrock.

Once that little project is done I will be able to focus a little more attention on the garage. My plan over Christmas is to make a dent in the workbench build. I have the legs of the main workbench precision cut to length - next steps will be routing some slots and corner curves in them. Then, cutting up some plywood and 2x4s and putting it together. Then, it will be getting the table glued up and installed.

So nope, no bailing. Just a little break until I can get back out there and focus.


BTW, love your garage. Very, very nice:

 

[Colorado Kidder]

Dave,

I had a great time too! Glad you made it home ok.
Come to think of it, I don't have any good pics of the arbor press either. I'll have to post some soon. BTW, it's a Dake 1 1/2.

I want to see completed pictures of that Atlas table saw by New Years.

Take care,
-K

 

[Bob275]

The table saw is coming along nicely. I'm really getting hooked on the older tools. I picked up my drill press last Saturday and have been working on it all week. I need two belts and a setscrew and should be good to go. I still need to clean the handles off (they have paint on them). I also have been restoring a Speedaire 20gallon compressor I picked up a few weeks ago too.

 

[rickairmedic]

Bob wheres the pics of the new " old " drill press .


Rick

 

[Red Leader]

Yep see how handy having a Lathe can be . That is a swet looking pre war SB as well . I see he has a mill as well so if you cant find the motor mount for your other saw he has the abilty to make one .


Rick

Rick I knew that would make you happy! By the way, lookie at what I happened to find in my 'old pile of tools' that I was able to grab in my first big old tool group purchase:

Wiss M2 Cutsright Metalmaster.

Never even knew I had 'em

 

[Red Leader]

Dave,

I had a great time too! Glad you made it home ok.
Come to think of it, I don't have any good pics of the arbor press either. I'll have to post some soon. BTW, it's a Dake 1 1/2.

Take care,
-K

Keith! Glad to see you on the boards!!!

Is this a new account, or your old one you thought you had?

In any case, I'm very grateful for Saturday. I told my wife I was going to be home at a certain time so that's why I was in a time crunch, but when I have a whole day, I'd love to just hang out and talk shop and check out some of your 'toys and goodies' in much more detail.

Feel free to post up any of the fun stuff in your garage, including, but not limited to, your Dake press, the multi-hundred pound vise, and anything else you'd like to share.

(ps - the folks who post in this thread pretty much want to see everything)

I want to see completed pictures of that Atlas table saw by New Years.

-K

Whew...I better get crackin'!!

 

[Red Leader]

The table saw is coming along nicely. I'm really getting hooked on the older tools. I picked up my drill press last Saturday and have been working on it all week. I need two belts and a setscrew and should be good to go. I still need to clean the handles off (they have paint on them). I also have been restoring a Speedaire 20gallon compressor I picked up a few weeks ago too.

Good for you! I agree with Rick, let's see some pictures! Make and model?

 

[Red Leader]

Okay guys! A little bit of an update. This time...

It's actual work on the garage!!!

I know, its amazing

I feel like I have done anything out there forever. Well, that's changed!

One of the things I've mentioned in the past is that the garage has no heat. Sad day.

Well, today was the day that I rerouted the gas pipe in the house to wall-in the furnace room. All that said, it turns out I needed to unscrew the pipe all the way to where it comes through from the garage.

This is what the pipe looked like where it came into the house (basement) from the garage (note the clean walls):

See that little elbow taking the pipe into the house? Hmmm....have to take the pipe all the way back to the elbow...(garage has no heat)...that little elbow might be changed out real easy for a T-joint...(garage has no heat)...hmmm...T-joints are just a few bucks...hmmm!

So! While I was redoing the gas pipe for the 'house', somehow I got a little sidetracked:

And somehow I ended up with this (note the dirty walls):

And now...what do I do with it? I'm thinking maybe add a longer pipe and take it straight up to near the bottom of the cabinet then out to the corner and eventually put in a little gas heater right up there. I was originally going to run it along the trim out to the corner, but it would have ended up pushing the tool chest out about 3-4 inches and would have taken up some valuable floor space. So along the wall it is. Here is a little bit more perspective:

And yes, either the wall or the pipe is off from 90 degrees. I'd like to say it is a neat apeture trick with the camera, but nope



So while nothing is really getting done in the garage, at least something gets done

In other garage news, I've cleaned a few more drawer fronts to the Craftsman tool chest...MAN is it coming out nice! I'll have a before/after update soon. You won't be disappointed

I feel like I'll be limited to just a few minor things like that in the garage for a few days. Redoing the gas pipe was brutal. I had no idea is was going to be so hard. Even with full size pipe wrenches, I used a cheater bar (24") and it was still crazy hard. But there are no leaks


I also picked up an art-deco/vintage metal standing cabinet. If you guys bug me enough I'll take a picture of it and show you. It will clean up real nice too.

 

[Wingnut65]

Bug, Bug, Bug...

BTW, with having Red Jr around a few months, haven't you learned about the benefits of Handi-Wipes in the garage? (Unscented ONLY!) They will take grease off tools and dirt off most anything. If they are not quite strong enough as they are, a little Simple Green helps cut through everything else. That wall can come clean very quickly if you had some handy.

And don't apologize for a sidetrack from a project to plan for future garage improvements. Sounds like a lot of work will pay for itself the first day the heater is turned on! Good Work!

 

[Red Leader]

Jeff I have a really bad habit of taking the wife's useful stuff (wash rags, scotch tape, razor blades in the kitchen drawer) and using them out in the garage...then not putting them back or using it all up/ruining it.

Handi-wipes are a great idea but taking Jr's would be a no-go

However, it reminds me that I have some hand cleaner-type wipes in the garage - maybe I'll try that! Then again, dirt on the walls seems to be the least of my problems out there

 

[Wingnut65]

My girls are now 14 and we still buy them by the case because they are so handy around the house. We even have a box in each car. That is why we get the unscented type. The fragrant ones are perfect for clean-up at the other end.

BTW, that saw is coming along great. Glad you had a chance to get to the arbor press. Now it's just trying to remember where all the pieces go....

 

[bluebolt]

Consider yourself bugged!

 

[smschriefer]

Yeah, bug, bug, bug, bug, BUG! Show us the standing cabinet!