Just wondering if anyone has a problem with china made tools breaking? Or if the boyfriend just treated things like ****? His dad gave me a speech this weekend about how he just causes the tools to break on his own because he doesnt take care of anything. His dad has a lot of china made tools and never has a problem. Do you own anything made in china and have a problem with it? What brings this up is because his little niece went shopping and got him a couple screwdrivers, but she decieded to give them to grandpa because everyone said he wouldnt take them as they were made in china.
Do you guys have a problem with China made tools??
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MoToys
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Even if I can't break it, in most cases I don't want it.
a lot of guys on here will say they do... I cant say that I dont own any. I just read reviews or really look at the tool before I buy it. HF has really stepped up in the last few years. their ratchets are strong (select styles) but thats about the extent of their stuff. I have other brand wrenches that are chinese... they work just fine.
take care of your tools, dont abuse them or use them in a manner that can break them or more importantly, hurt you, and they will be fine. but I have done things to get the job done that were not the "proper technique" sometimes the tools make it and earn a little more trust, other times they dont and they end up getting thrown, labelled as junk, or make more work for you.
take care of your tools, dont abuse them or use them in a manner that can break them or more importantly, hurt you, and they will be fine. but I have done things to get the job done that were not the "proper technique" sometimes the tools make it and earn a little more trust, other times they dont and they end up getting thrown, labelled as junk, or make more work for you.
canuckian
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Wouldn't take the screwdrivers as an Xmas gift because they're made in china?? Dude sounds like quite the piece of work! If my niece took the time and money to buy me a screwdriver made out of the cheapest Chinese steel known to man I'd accept and appreciate it simply because she thought of me.
greasemonkey44
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yup; tons of chinese
and taiwanese
and american
and french
and god knows where else
i could care less where its from as long as it works; is durable and comfortable.
i have broken sockets; wrenches; tape measures; hammers; channellocks; screw drivers; ratchets that were chinese
would a quality piece have failed?
no
they were just cheap ****; they did however teach me how to pick out a good tool from a bad one
and taiwanese
and american
and french
and god knows where else
i could care less where its from as long as it works; is durable and comfortable.
i have broken sockets; wrenches; tape measures; hammers; channellocks; screw drivers; ratchets that were chinese
would a quality piece have failed?
no
they were just cheap ****; they did however teach me how to pick out a good tool from a bad one
Octarine
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If the tool feels good in my hand and works I don't care where it's from. It just so happens that I have found that the majority of tools that feel good and have lasted have been Snap On, Stahlwille, and Record for chisels (oooooold UK made). I am really interested in the Nepros sockets, a set of those might be in my future, maybe a 1/2" ratchet as well.
I was made in Ireland so I can't be too xenophobic even though I've lived here almost my entire life
I was made in Ireland so I can't be too xenophobic even though I've lived here almost my entire life
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thesilverone
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this thread should get interesting quick
slip knot
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I've broken tools from all over the world. Any tool that you abuse will break. I've got some really nice Snap-on sockets that just have one little crack down the side. I admit it was abuse d but it still broke.
Now as far as coppin an attitude with the neice someone needs to give him a quick shot to the nads. Ungrateful SOB.
Clowns like this is what gives tool snobs the world over a bad reputation!
Now as far as coppin an attitude with the neice someone needs to give him a quick shot to the nads. Ungrateful SOB.
Clowns like this is what gives tool snobs the world over a bad reputation!
american lockpicker
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I go out of my way and spend large amounts of money to avoid made in China. Back when I used chinese tools around a decade ago I had all kinds of problems with them breaking and not working well.
ajchien
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I have no idea if the OP's question has to do with the quality of Chinese made tools or if it has to do with the quality of the boyfriend mentioned.
jjjrmx5
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Have I had a case where Chinese or Asian made tools were inferior or did not do the job asked.
Sure.
And actually to the point where you have to do "due dilligence" and a QC check to ensure you are actually paying for tools that meet or exceed the value of the cash you are plunking down.
Does it make a difference?
Sure x 2.
US jobs, quality tools and the balance of world's economy all suffer.
Buy cheap and offshore all ya want, but it does our nation and your job security and future "well being" no good if you continue to do so daily.
Sure.
And actually to the point where you have to do "due dilligence" and a QC check to ensure you are actually paying for tools that meet or exceed the value of the cash you are plunking down.
Does it make a difference?
Sure x 2.
US jobs, quality tools and the balance of world's economy all suffer.
Buy cheap and offshore all ya want, but it does our nation and your job security and future "well being" no good if you continue to do so daily.
GirlnAgarage
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I do have some tools from China. I have tools from Germany, Japan, and USA too.
Breaking or wearing out the tool I'd say depends on the use. My most recent casualty was a Snap On #2 phillips bit. Before that I broke my large Stanley flat head screwdriver. Apparently I wear out screwdrivers. I've never broken a wrench, socket or ratchet of any COO.
How fast a tool wears out will depend on the user. How they use it and how often they use it. Some folks are just real hard on everything.
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I have a problem with certain companies charging "USA" prices for tools made outside the country.
american lockpicker
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Snap On comes to mind...
GBNZ
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Its the marketing strategy they have it works well.All the suckers come in with there eyes closed and buy it.Australian/New Zealand market is flooded with Bluepoint tools made in China.
GoBlue
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My biggest problem is with U.S.A prices for chicom tools. That and the whoring out of historic brands to the chicoms. Other than that i honestly believe the chicoms can build tools that are just as good as what we build...they have harnessed the atom and can put a man into space for Gods sake.
american lockpicker
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Chinese communists have nothing to do with making our tools its capitalists who own the factorys there, its capitalists who outsourced production from USA to CN.
All the Trucks do it and even Sears is Guilty, Look at Craftsman "Full Polish" Wrenches compared to the Old Profesional wrench sets.
GoBlue
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Its the red chinese government though that does not recognize patents and its the red chinese government that has little to no environmental or labor laws. I suppose you are right though...its a combination.
I buy American made ANYTHING whenever possible. Most of my Craftsman tools are older ones that were actually made in the USA. I can't really afford Snap-On at the moment, but even snappy is questionable when it comes to BluePoint. I agree with GoBlue (even though Ohio State is perpetually better) that the whoring of once proud U.S. brands to chicoms is a major problem.
With that said, I'm guilty of owning some Kobalt ratchets. However, I'm currently looking for Snap-On replacements that don't set me back an entire check.
The only tool I've ever broken was a Craftsman breaker bar. I twisted the spline completely off of it under my own pressure (no cheater of any kind) It wasn't a sudden snap, it was a mushy twist. That really, really pissed me off. I gave the poor temp at Sears a lecture of how one of the most trusted brands was on its way down the toilet.
With that said, I'm guilty of owning some Kobalt ratchets. However, I'm currently looking for Snap-On replacements that don't set me back an entire check.
The only tool I've ever broken was a Craftsman breaker bar. I twisted the spline completely off of it under my own pressure (no cheater of any kind) It wasn't a sudden snap, it was a mushy twist. That really, really pissed me off. I gave the poor temp at Sears a lecture of how one of the most trusted brands was on its way down the toilet.
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kapster
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Yes I would have to say to I have a problem with companies charging usa prices for chinese. Was at Sears a few weeks ago, hadnt been for awhile. Was totally disgusted with all the stuff thats now made in china. And I'm saying wrenchs and hand tool stuff. Prices havent gone down any though.
I've been buying sears for the usa, but if they're going to buy from china and charge the same forget them. After this I went to harbor freight and saw their new line of pittsburg pro tools made in taiwan and was very impressed. Bought a hand truck for my torches there that had made in usa airless tires. Seems harbor freight is going up and sears down.
So anyways it just depends on the very item, like someone said you have to see if the quality matches the prices. I don't like to go chinese on tools but taiwan makes some decent stuff. not all usa tools are perfect either...
I've been buying sears for the usa, but if they're going to buy from china and charge the same forget them. After this I went to harbor freight and saw their new line of pittsburg pro tools made in taiwan and was very impressed. Bought a hand truck for my torches there that had made in usa airless tires. Seems harbor freight is going up and sears down.
So anyways it just depends on the very item, like someone said you have to see if the quality matches the prices. I don't like to go chinese on tools but taiwan makes some decent stuff. not all usa tools are perfect either...
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I've had problems with cheap tools breaking, just so happens most cheap **** is made in china. It's not that they couldn't build decent stuff, but if people and or retailers demand the cheapest, the cheapest is what they will get every time.
Red Leader
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I am starting to care a lot more about where things are made, and more specifically, care about things being made in USA.
That being said, my preference with 'made in USA' are older tools.
A lot of the reason (or maybe the only reason?) why imported tools are so popular is because they are cheap. However, many times I can find old USA tools at slightly better prices than new Chinese tools. It is a win-win
I've owned some imported stuff, and sometimes you'll take what you can get when starting out. My hope is to be able to replace anything Chinese with USA tools as I slowing build up the tool collection.
I would say that I do have a problem with 'made in China'...but it is not limited to tools and has a lot more to do with our 'throwaway mentality' as a culture instead of a 'buy once' mentality that we used to have.
That being said, my preference with 'made in USA' are older tools.
A lot of the reason (or maybe the only reason?) why imported tools are so popular is because they are cheap. However, many times I can find old USA tools at slightly better prices than new Chinese tools. It is a win-win
I've owned some imported stuff, and sometimes you'll take what you can get when starting out. My hope is to be able to replace anything Chinese with USA tools as I slowing build up the tool collection.
I would say that I do have a problem with 'made in China'...but it is not limited to tools and has a lot more to do with our 'throwaway mentality' as a culture instead of a 'buy once' mentality that we used to have.
Sick Puppy
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Really? Where are they? I'm not seeing much on Trademe, so I guess I'm looking in the wrong places...
edit: Just reread the post... I thought Blue Point was made in Taiwan?! Don't tell me they have moved to China too...
My issue is with the underlying economics of tools coming from non-competitive market based countries. here in the USA we have this system that weeds out inefficiency, mismanagement and general **** called capitalism. Many other countries allow inefficiencies in business without a real punishment, here if there is a problem with efficiency that company is going under, losing money, new to the sector, noncompetitive or some kind of technology company in charge of writing operating systems using windows based browsing.
In the end though, the consumer drives these decisions to go overseas. If we never bought a foreign tool the market would react in order to maximize profits and minimize losses; they would have to come back to the USA to do that, or sell their **** to some other sucker nation... but not ours.
In the end though, the consumer drives these decisions to go overseas. If we never bought a foreign tool the market would react in order to maximize profits and minimize losses; they would have to come back to the USA to do that, or sell their **** to some other sucker nation... but not ours.
housey
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Really? Where are they? I'm not seeing much on Trademe, so I guess I'm looking in the wrong places...
edit: Just reread the post... I thought Blue Point was made in Taiwan?! Don't tell me they have moved to China too...
They probably make them in both China and Taiwan, among other countries.
I only have 2 blue-point items in my toolbox (a scraper and an airblower), and both are swedish made
GBNZ
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Really? Where are they? I'm not seeing much on Trademe, so I guess I'm looking in the wrong places...
edit: Just reread the post... I thought Blue Point was made in Taiwan?! Don't tell me they have moved to China too...
You need to get onto a Snap On truck tell me what the ratio is Bluepoint to Snap On just look at there monthly specials says it all and hardly ever do they advertise the price.
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He is a tool if he is an ******* to his neice. Any guy has froom for them in a road box or somewhere on the wall in the shop. The guy sounds like a ****.
I am grateful for any tool as a gift.
With that being said, I ALWAYS buy American when I can. This country no longer manufactures anything appreciable. Support the last semblance of USA made goods. I know in these economic times it is tempting to buy that Sears China floor jack rather than the American made ones, but save for a little longer and make your point.
I buy Craftsman (USA only) as a general rule. Black Hawk (USA only) when I can.
I am grateful for any tool as a gift.
With that being said, I ALWAYS buy American when I can. This country no longer manufactures anything appreciable. Support the last semblance of USA made goods. I know in these economic times it is tempting to buy that Sears China floor jack rather than the American made ones, but save for a little longer and make your point.
I buy Craftsman (USA only) as a general rule. Black Hawk (USA only) when I can.
housey
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In the guys defence, I think OP meant that others in the family told her he didn't like china tools, not the boyfriend specifically saying that to his neice. He probably didn't even know about the gift, but has been vocal towards others in the family about his views on china tools in the past and they then told the neice before she gave it as a gift
bts
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Just because its made in China, it does not mean its junk.
Snap On, Ingersoll Rand and Enerpac come to mind. Part of their product ranges are made in China and from I have seen come through the workshop their quality is as good as it ever was.
It`s a pity that the savings made by having them made in China has not been passed on to the customer.
I know this is a cheap shot but just because its made in the USA does not mean its a great product either.
My two week old Eklind allen key sets are now in the bin. They were looser in the in the cap screws than the worn set they replaced. Luckely the Bondus ones I have bought are doing the job fine.
Snap On, Ingersoll Rand and Enerpac come to mind. Part of their product ranges are made in China and from I have seen come through the workshop their quality is as good as it ever was.
It`s a pity that the savings made by having them made in China has not been passed on to the customer.
I know this is a cheap shot but just because its made in the USA does not mean its a great product either.
My two week old Eklind allen key sets are now in the bin. They were looser in the in the cap screws than the worn set they replaced. Luckely the Bondus ones I have bought are doing the job fine.
To answer the OP's question, yes I do. I owned a plier set about 10-11 years ago that looked well made but turned out to have very poor temper. they didn't last long.
I think much of the problem with chinese tools comes from the quality control being so hit or miss. If the parent company has a good qc process in place and the culture at the overseas plant is one where its checked before going out the door, your fine. most products however seem to be made in plants that are much more lax.
I think much of the problem with chinese tools comes from the quality control being so hit or miss. If the parent company has a good qc process in place and the culture at the overseas plant is one where its checked before going out the door, your fine. most products however seem to be made in plants that are much more lax.
Hyster Gareth
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I always only try to buy made in the USA, Canada, or Europe. That being said I have some Case Ih branded hand tools which the COO is Taiwan and the quality is good.
I always avoid China with tools and try to with other products but it is difficult.
I always avoid China with tools and try to with other products but it is difficult.
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I don't buy tools from china. I have a dozen wrenches (received as a gift) made by Gearwrench and I haven't broken any, but I don't use them very much either. The quality seems okay. Still, I have a problem sending any of my money to china so I really avoid buying them.
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I agree. No matter what brand it is, he should accept it in front on her, and than just throw it away on his own time. He thinks no one thinks of him, but she did.
I think they are going to get him a pair of warm socks or something that he likes, because his mom was afriad that he would throw a fit in front of his niece.
Craftsman USA made tools break. I've seen a lot of screwdrivers break when my boyfriend used them. He had bought some of those professinal screwdrivers, used it once and it snapped on the head.
He says it all the time. His dad disagrees with him. But I think that the thought is what counts, instead of throwing a fit. His dad will love them. He used to take the china made tools when he threw them away. His dad tells me nothing is wrong with them. LOL. It's funny.
thooks
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I was scorned in a thread a month or so ago when you asked about a $5 knife for him. You said your boyfriend never keeps up with stuff, is always losing items and in general, has no appreciability for anything.
I made a comment in that thread...."This thread really isn't about a knife."
Most folks had no idea what I meant. Some couldn't even get it after I replied back to their question of "it's not??"
Can anyone figure it out now????
I made a comment in that thread...."This thread really isn't about a knife."
Most folks had no idea what I meant. Some couldn't even get it after I replied back to their question of "it's not??"
Can anyone figure it out now????
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