Duralast ratchet bait and switch with inside pics
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well said
bcradio
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I just got that wright... still need to break it in but i like it so far. Now I want that williams
bcradio
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So true
So true for maybe about 20% of the people on here (snap-on fanboys). The rest of us just want to get the most tool for the money we have.
RangerDaleXp
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I Agree....
kippieland
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shoturtle
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The only problem I have with that wright listing is that it is a 41t with dual paw, making it 82t action not 92t. 
but they are nice tools as well.
but they are nice tools as well. powertrip
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Three posts and already starting trouble
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Crappycivic
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Yes most all tools have usefulness, even cheap ones, I've used an old great neck ratchet almost everyday for atleast 5 years, probably installed close to 200 batteries with it plus many many headlight and tail light assembiles, used the side of it as a hammer, taken coils off control modules, put tamper proof bits on it for mass air flow among other things and it is just now starting to get a little loose an worn, 5 years of abuse for a 10 dollar ratchet ain't bad
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kippieland
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100% correct! I only buy quality ratchets.....I have the exact same williams that you have pointed out as well as a Dual 80 and Matco 88.......that wasn't the point to my post.
fourtythree
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You better watch talking like that around here. You tell people you use a Great Neck ratchet and they'll string you up by your balls and beat you with Snap-On breaker bar.
Indeed. I have quite a few ratchets. Two are Asian, a gearwrench and a duralast. I bought them based on recommendations on this forum. They are very good tools but I will not buy any more Asian ratchets. There is just no pride in ownership of such tools. For a non tool enthusiast they are fine but for those of us who take real pride in our possesions, including tools, then US or European tools are the way to go.
RangerDaleXp
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I will agree that the German tools have always been highly regarded in quality and craftsmanship, but there are a lot of countries in Europe that make junk as well. I have seen stuff that came out of Italy and France that I would consider worse quality then stuff that I have seen come out of China nowadays. In fact it resembles stuff that came out of China 20 years ago.
I remember there was a time when tools that were made in Japan were absolutely junk, that goes the same for Taiwan as well but in the last 10 years Taiwans quality control has vastly improved. This also goes for China as well. 10 or 15 years ago I would not touch a tools made in China but a lot has changed with them in regards to machining. I personally do not care where the tool is made and I look at every tool individually before I buy them. A tool does not have to be made in the United States to be a quality tool anymore, in fact, quality tools can be made anywhere nowadays.
shoturtle
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I would not totally agree with that statement, have you seen some of the japanese ratchets, very high quality and well sort after. They are on par with US and EU tools. Think this pride in ownership is a personal thing.
It's definitely a personal thing. I should say that Japanese made tools should probably be bundled with the US and European stuff as the Jspanese probably take more pride in their manufacturing than the Chinese, Taiwanese. Japan has a long history of swordmaking so they understand metallurgy.
kythri
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Y'know, the "99%" doesn't speak for me, and neither do you.
For those of us that weren't included in your insulting attempt at exclusion, those of us that also take real pride in our possessions, I'm incredibly proud of the value and quality that I've assembled in my pretty decently extensive collection of tools, both US and Asian (and a possible smattering of Euro that I'm not specifically recalling at the moment).
I'm a tool enthusiast, and, let's face it: Tools are the way to go, regardless of COO.
My comments were not meant to be insulting. Can you verify your 99%? A survey perhaps? I can assure you that 99% of tool enthusiasts take way less pride in a Chinese craftsman than a US Craftsman. A true enthusiast/collector will not pride himself on a duralast or a Chinese craftsman. Those tools don't and likely never will have long term collectibility or appeal. If you are a practical person who just wants to get the job done then duralas, gearwrench is the way to go.
trboxman
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I take pride in ownership for any tool that does it's job well and didn't leave me feeling like I spent way too damned much. Sometimes those are one use tools and sometimes they're lifetime tools, I spend accordingly within reason.
The only time that tools are really an investment is if they are earning you money or saving you money. Otherwise they're depreciating assets, they'll sell for less than you paid, that's not bad in and of itself but it's also not the definition of an investment.
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RangerDaleXp
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I think you may have misread my statement, I said that there was a time that tools made in Japan or even anything made their was junk. In fact Japan was a lot like China in the late 40s and 50s and did a lot of copying. We are talking about a timeline that was 30 or 60 years ago. Yes I have seen some of the tools that come out of Japan today and I would agree with you that they are on par with US and European tools. I will also say that I have seen tools that come out of China that are getting close to the quality of US-made tools. I agree with you that this pride in ownership is a personal thing as well.
kythri
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True that tools are a depreciating asset but do you remember the eBay sale the other day of a Cman RHFT flex head ratchet that went for $260? Ridiculous for sure but that will never happen for a Chinese made tool. The passion is just not there for that stuff.
trboxman
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He's not speaking for me either. I have lots and lots of tools, I'm not a collector, I'm a user and if they meet my use I'm happy with them. I never have understood collector mentality, my selfworth, esteem and pride are not derived from things, they're derived from deeds...
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Completely agree, I've seen posts before in classifieds where people have hundreds of dollars of tools several years old and still new in packaging, what's the point, buy it to use it
Neither can you. Show me the proof. The survey, the eBay sales?
trboxman
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There is no accounting for stupidity. Folks will pine for the good old days of Chinese tools when production moves to Rwanda in 10-15 years...
Chinese tools will never be worth the same as the US stuff in the long run even if production went to Rwanda. There is no appeal to a thirty year old Chinese tool.
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kythri
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I'm not making spurious claims for any portion of the membership, sir, so I'm not really sure exactly what you're asking for, other than an unspoken request that people stop calling you out on your aforementioned spurious claims.
You said:
I stated that you're incorrect, because I'm a tool enthusiast and that I take real pride in my possessions, including the Asian-sourced ones.
So, in that respect, there's your proof (along with other statements in this thread) that your statement is demonstrably inaccurate.
Again: Speak for yourself.
RangerDaleXp
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and you have a DeLorean with a flux capacitor to know this. I think in 10 to 30 years you will regret that statement.
As the Chinese get better at doing things their tools may become equal or better than our own made here at some point in time. I remember a time when they said that the Japanese could never build a better car than us. Well we all know how that went......
I state you are incorrect. There is no market or passion for vintage Chinese tools and there never will be. Show me the survey or the $260 eBay sale of a duralast ratchet.
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Again, I never said that the current Chinese tools are bad. The car example also doesn't work. Japanese cars are very good but again the passion and appeal of a vintage Japanese car is not equal to that of an American or European car- the auctions are the proof. When was the last time a Goodings or Bonhams, or any other auction house had a large amount of Japanese cars on the block. When was the last time someone paid $12 million for a vintage Toyota or Nissan or whatever?
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I was actually referring to the comment you commented to, you beat me to it. That there is not pride in ownership of a durlast tool or asian tool. It is really a personal thing weather their is pride in owning a asian tool. And there are a heck of allot of good japanese tools that I would love to have. But at the end, if the tool works and does it's job, that is all that counts for me, and I am glad I made a good investment. I have no issues with any of the kolbalt tools I have recently brought, they are things I do not want to pay a lot of as I do not use allot, and they are high quality. I have no issue giving it to my grand kids on day down the line.
thesilverone
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you guys done with the ******* contest yet?
1969
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I do have a serious question, are we having fun ....... yet?
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