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Craftsman question. V and VV series

barcalo

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I have many different Craftsman tools from the start of Sears owning the brand until this year. Many people I run into love the V and VV tools. My favorites are the underline C. Why the extreme love for V? I will say the V tools I have seem to have a very good finish and the quality of steel appears to be of high quality.

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Two completely different Eras. The Long C tools are generally mid 30's to mid 40's ( a few power tools went beyond that) and the V were post war and well beyond VV followed the V era.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84807

Oulaw thanks for the info. I am aware of the years and time periods, I guess to ask my question better. Why do people tend to LOVE the V stuff while not really being too much into the other time periods as much? Is it just because of the fact they are post WW2 and people like them because they were their grandfathers and fathers tools?

I love the prewar stuff for the style and the build quality. I live the early war stuff for use because it is well made I just have no interest in it as far as the look because it looks very generic (but I will admit to using it more than any other tools because they work well)
 

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Why do people tend to LOVE the V stuff while not really being too much into the other time periods as much? Is it just because of the fact they are post WW2 and people like them because they were their grandfathers and fathers tools?

Maybe a little of everything. And also maybe because they are easily recognized and identified. They are old enough to be quality made, but young enough to be somewhat modernized shapes and styles and still in good physical condition.

Least this is why I prefer -V- or =V= series. Alot of my stuff is a mix of these and newer sets are up to the V^ in the recent years.
 
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Oulaw thanks for the info. I am aware of the years and time periods, I guess to ask my question better. Why do people tend to LOVE the V stuff while not really being too much into the other time periods as much? Is it just because of the fact they are post WW2 and people like them because they were their grandfathers and fathers tools?

If you look at from a Historical perspective, the early-30's to the late-30's were the Depression Era years. (Stock Market crash in 1929)

Take a look at the graphs on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression_in_the_United_States

1933 unemployment was up to 25% that slowly dropped down to 15% until the start of WW2. . No jobs = no money to buy tools--and that means both personal hand tools and no tools for factory use since there was no work and limited mfgr. production. No one buying tools of that era meant low sales.

1939 saw a ramp up in industry during pre-war, but then after 1941 many tool users went off to the military to fight the war. Money was still tight, as was metal for tools, so no tool users and scarcity meant low sales volume.

When everyone came back from WW2 (mainly men--duh) after 1945 and the economy began growing again, more tools began selling off the shelfs (and by the 1945 and up soldier return years, the V series was in production).
With no money and limited buyers of that early era, tools made in the mid 30's to mid 40's would be less then everywhere due to the factors mentioned above.

So historically, low demand creates low supply. Low supply means, well, scarcity.

I can't wait in 60 years from kow where someone will ask the same question , but in the form of "I love Made in USA tools, but why doesn't anyone use them any more?"

If they're not around, it's not easy to use them, now is it? Hahahahaha.
 
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Just in case the OP was unaware of Alloy Artifacts site:
http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/craftsman-maker-v.html

I have a bit of everything vintage Craftsman myself. Nostalgia is part of the attraction I'm sure. First set of tools I learned to use were my father's Craftsman Vs on the ranch; they did duty repairing farm equipment. Last year I found and polished up a set of -V- ratchets and breaker bars in 1/2-inch and 3/8-inch drive and gave them to my father for Christmas; ole Dad loved them!
 

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I think a lot of people are not really aware of the prewar tools. first as was mentioned there just isn't that many of tem left. partly because of the depression, and partly because of the return policy. many of them were turned in...

I've collected the Long C stuff long before I was aware of the exact dating of it because I liked the unusual markings. It was only in the past couple of years that I pinned them to a date range. same with my Plvmb and Proto pebble tools (many of which I got from my dad)

I grew up buying the "V" series, so I know its quality. I rarely needed to use the warranty.

Why people might want the post war tools over the newer, but US made tools I couldn't guess, on the other hand some prefer the post V tools. It might be the chrome, chrome prewar tools are rare, common post war.

Why does anyone "collect"? Something about it intrigues them, or they have a nostalgia for the era, even if they didn't live in that era. (I've been gradually replacing many day to day items and furnishings in my house with vintage to antique items. Why? Because the build quality is there and I like the styling. My desk in one of the fist roll top desks from the 1880s, still as solid today as when it was built Original finish too. The lamp over my shoulder is a re-wired and cleaned up floor lamp from the 30's, and the desk lamp is a similar age and style. the back up lighting on the desk is a 30's Aladdin kerosene mantle lamp, not in use but on display is a 1916 Underwood typewriter....

It's all nostalgia, and an appreciation for how it was built, and how it looks compared to the near sterile styling of the past 3-4 decades. Generic ranch houses and tilt up concrete commercial buildings. Cheap and boring. (I'd love to have an old Victorian house with a small barn or large carriage house behind it... Maybe even an old 20's-40's gas station, restored for doing hobby work in...)
 
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I just want to thank everybody for their opinions and ideas. Personally I just find it funny of the lack of $ value on the underlined C craftsman tools. I actually prefer it as I collect the stuff and have no problems paying for it when I see it but for the reasons given above I do not see it in great condition too much.
 

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I am grateful it is the way it is, I happily sell what people are asking for and I quietly keep the be, and circle h stuff. It has worked out wells for my interest .
 
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