Anyone have feedback from snapon since..

[buco]

they stopped stamping USA on their ratchets?

I know everyone is pissed off, but i'm wondering if the company has gotten back to anyone?

 

[buco]

not a troll btw.

 

[86k10]

I emailed them before about just to see what there response was, and they never got back to me.

 

[Big Johnson]

they stopped stamping USA on their ratchets?

I know everyone is pissed off, but i'm wondering if the company has gotten back to anyone?

This is the deal and everybody knows it. Take the stamp off the ratchet, people ask questions like on this forum, they give answers like," we are a global organization blah blah blah...." Then, several years later when the questions die down, time to fully make them in another country. Since everybody has dealt with the fact of the stamp being gone, there is no rioting. There is plenty of dealers here who will probably tell you totally different stories, but it is not their fault they are being lied to also. I bet some of you guys have wives who buy Herbalife, buying hundreds of dollars for **** you can buy at Walmart, yeah well companies screw people. We just need to be smart and realize the lies.

 

[Link-Belt]

This is the deal and everybody knows it. Take the stamp off the ratchet, people ask questions like on this forum, they give answers like," we are a global organization blah blah blah...." Then, several years later when the questions die down, time to fully make them in another country. Since everybody has dealt with the fact of the stamp being gone, there is no rioting. There is plenty of dealers here who will probably tell you totally different stories, but it is not their fault they are being lied to also. I bet some of you guys have wives who buy Herbalife, buying hundreds of dollars for **** you can buy at Walmart, yeah well companies screw people. We just need to be smart and realize the lies.

Well said. DAMN THE MAN SAVE THE EMPIRE!!!

 

[Toolhorder]

Keep complaining so they don't end up like Sears

 

[Vinko]

This is the deal and everybody knows it. Take the stamp off the ratchet, people ask questions like on this forum, they give answers like," we are a global organization blah blah blah...." Then, several years later when the questions die down, time to fully make them in another country. Since everybody has dealt with the fact of the stamp being gone, there is no rioting. There is plenty of dealers here who will probably tell you totally different stories, but it is not their fault they are being lied to also. I bet some of you guys have wives who buy Herbalife, buying hundreds of dollars for **** you can buy at Walmart, yeah well companies screw people. We just need to be smart and realize the lies.

Are any of the dealers being lied to? My dealer told me that the official line is the "global blah blah" that you mention above. That it's common knowledge that forgoing the stamp conditions one to think of SO less as a US co and more as a global company. It's a calculated move. Not a conspiracy. No man behind the curtain.

 

[Notwerk]

Yeah, but it's also a little less than honest to hide your COO, regardless of where it's from.

I'm sure when it's made in China, it won't be featured as prominently as the old "Made in USA" stamp, too.

 

[Greatwhitewing]

I tried contacting Snap-on for another professional reason (wrenching is hobby) and NEVER got back to me either. I was quite disappointed with the CS.

 

[SCscoutguy]

At my local Chevy dealership they had some snap on event and all of the snap on dealers from the area were there along with a snap on Chevy Nomad etc. Well I asked around and found the head snap on guy who was the manager for the SE USA and flat out asked him. His response was almost as if he was drilled to say this statement verbatim. He said "Snap On is a global company and we are not marking our ratchets with USA any more to better market our product world wide". He then went on to promise that all Snap On tools were made in the USA and the dual 80 was made in Tennessee etc. What made it so funny is two of his tool truck owners were there and they flat out confronted him about it and said he was full of **** and it was hurting their sales as they had lots of customers complaining about the ratchets not having USA on it.

 

[Wandering]

So I am curious, what English speaking overseas market are they pandering to where "Made in U.S.A" is a detriment to sales?

If the issue is non English speaking countries and the concern is the "Made in the U.S.A." brand is going to be associated with the tool more than "Snap On" They have other issues. Issues such as "SnapOn" being a stupid name for a tool company sounds more like an instruction than a company name. I wonder what how "snap"and"on" as a phrase is defined in the Mandarin to English Dictionary?

 

[concealer404]

This isn't hard...

You see how we Americans ***** and piss and moan 24/7 about buying imported tools?

What the hell makes you all think that overseas it's any different?

BULLETIN: "Made In USA" tools are IMPORTED if you buy them anywhere other than in the USA.

They're trying to expand worldwide, and it's a smart move. A DUMB move would be to made "special" tools for the Americans that can't be bothered to find out where a tool is made by simply stamping "Made In USA."

If you guys want to pay more to have your tool made in the US to be stamped "Made In USA" so you don't forget in the time period it takes you to put down one too and pick up another... start calling and let them know you're ok to pay more for the same tool than you already are from SnapOn.


Unbelievable. SnapOn already has tools that are imported, and you guys are taking the time to ***** about tools that ARE made in the USA simply because they aren't STAMPED "Made in USA?"

 

[balane]

I guess Taliban vehicles break down too. What a wonderful reason for a USA company to lose pride; so they can pander to countries that hate Americans. To me that's a far worse excuse than if they were honest and just said it's for money savings by having them made in China. My choices are to spend Snap On top dollar for tools that are either made in China or made by a company that's ashamed to be American. Wow, I can't win.

 

[balane]

This isn't hard...

You see how we Americans ***** and piss and moan 24/7 about buying imported tools?

I can't speak for everybody but I have no problem buying tools that are made in Europe. But if the production moves to someplace like China or India, just to make them cheaply, and the price doesn't go down to reflect that then something is wrong.

 

[juiced10]

If what Snapon says the reason is for global markets then why doesn't China take Made In China off all thier products? Seems to me it would calm down the shitstorm over here about COO.

 

[concealer404]

I guess Taliban vehicles break down too. What a wonderful reason for a USA company to lose pride; so they can pander to countries that hate Americans. To me that's a far worse excuse than if they were honest and just said it's for money savings by having them made in China. My choices are to spend Snap On top dollar for tools that are either made in China or made by a company that's ashamed to be American. Wow, I can't win.

MOST counties hate Americans.

 

[demographic]

So I am curious, what English speaking overseas market are they pandering to where "Made in U.S.A" is a detriment to sales?

If the issue is non English speaking countries and the concern is the "Made in the U.S.A." brand is going to be associated with the tool more than "Snap On" They have other issues. Issues such as "SnapOn" being a stupid name for a tool company sounds more like an instruction than a company name. I wonder what how "snap"and"on" as a phrase is defined in the Mandarin to English Dictionary?

I used Google Translate to convert Snap On into some bits of squiggle that I didn't understand then translated it back and got "Clicks Into" which wasn't bad I thought.

 

[concealer404]

I can't speak for everybody but I have no problem buying tools that are made in Europe. But if the production moves to someplace like China or India, just to make them cheaply, and the price doesn't go down to reflect that then something is wrong.

I don't either. I don't have a problem with Taiwan, either. Nor do i have a problem with a quality tool that happens to be made in China. Nor would i care in the slightest if any of those tools didn't have a COO stamped directly on them.

For that matter, many of them DON'T.


My point is, there's much bigger things that are ACTUALLY happening within SnapOn to complain about, and this is now the 4th or 5th thread in the last month complaining about how a tool that's actually made here is STAMPED.

It's like complaining about a hangnail on your right index finger when the entire left side of your body is trapped under a bus tire.

 

[HandyManny]

At my local Chevy dealership they had some snap on event and all of the snap on dealers from the area were there along with a snap on Chevy Nomad etc. Well I asked around and found the head snap on guy who was the manager for the SE USA and flat out asked him. His response was almost as if he was drilled to say this statement verbatim. He said "Snap On is a global company and we are not marking our ratchets with USA any more to better market our product world wide". He then went on to promise that all Snap On tools were made in the USA and the dual 80 was made in Tennessee etc. What made it so funny is two of his tool truck owners were there and they flat out confronted him about it and said he was full of **** and it was hurting their sales as they had lots of customers complaining about the ratchets not having USA on it.

Well he is full of **** and they all know it, because it's well known that not ALL Snap-On tools are made here in USA and it's been that way for a while now.

 

[beerdog]

My son worked in commercial HVAC for a company that maintained one of Snap-on distribution centers or assembly facilities in northern illinois. He said tons of the Snap-on tools and parts were in crates from china. This was 3 years ago.

 

[concealer404]

My son worked in commercial HVAC for a company that maintained one of Snap-on distribution centers or assembly facilities in northern illinois. He said tons of the Snap-on tools and parts were in crates from china. This was 3 years ago.

Nobody cares about that, they just care about stampings on US-made tools.

 

[lennoxlennox]

My son worked in commercial HVAC for a company that maintained one of Snap-on distribution centers or assembly facilities in northern illinois. He said tons of the Snap-on tools and parts were in crates from china. This was 3 years ago.

i heard from my uncles grandsons cousin twice removed....

what does this post substantiate, other than some speculation


it's like OMG "tons of Snap-on tools and parts"

Really!? in crates you said... X-ray vision no doubt


but wait OMG tons of Snap-on.... those bastards.... i knew it... all the tools are from China

 

[Gabastone]

What really annoys me is how HF ratchets are stamped 'Pittsburgh' stamped on it. Are they forged in Pennsylvania or just assembled there from global components??

 

[lennoxlennox]

At my local Chevy dealership they had some snap on event and all of the snap on dealers from the area were there along with a snap on Chevy Nomad etc. Well I asked around and found the head snap on guy who was the manager for the SE USA and flat out asked him. His response was almost as if he was drilled to say this statement verbatim. He said "Snap On is a global company and we are not marking our ratchets with USA any more to better market our product world wide". He then went on to promise that all Snap On tools were made in the USA and the dual 80 was made in Tennessee etc. What made it so funny is two of his tool truck owners were there and they flat out confronted him about it and said he was full of **** and it was hurting their sales as they had lots of customers complaining about the ratchets not having USA on it.

this is exactly what you do... keep putting pressure and negative comments back to your dealer... go to buy something, better yet, go to buy a few things, have your cash in hand... look at the items ... ask about why there is no stamp "made in usa"... get the corporate line... say ...thanks but no thanks... put it back on the shelf and walk off the truck


i bet if every tech on here did that, instead of just writing thread posts... and repeated it the following week with different items and say...not this no stamp **** again... and don't spend a cent... message will start getting uncomfortably loud at corporate



ps: as for the "made in tennessee" comment... say prove it... proudly put the stamp there... otherwise that's just ********

 

[franzdom]

What really annoys me is how HF ratchets are stamped 'Pittsburgh' stamped on it. Are they forged in Pennsylvania or just assembled there from global components??

Neither, it is just a brand name.

 

[1982fxr]

it's not like it would be that hard for a company like snappy to make both USA stamped and nothing stamped. All the f****rs have to do is run the ones intended for a US market through the damn stamper (or whatever it's called) and not run the rest of them through and leave them blank.

It's not like that one extra step is going to remove all of their profits

 

[concealer404]

it's not like it would be that hard for a company like snappy to make both USA stamped and nothing stamped. All the f****rs have to do is run the ones intended for a US market through the damn stamper (or whatever it's called) and not run the rest of them through and leave them blank.

It's not like that one extra step is going to remove all of their profits

Would you be willing to pay more? Not just for the stamping, but also for the extra costs it takes to all of a sudden have to track and maintain two separate inventories?

 

[mmack66]

So, all of the people around the world that are buying Snap-On tools don't already know that they are made in the USA?

Leaving the Made in USA stamp on the tools is going to let the cat out of the bag on that one?

 

[concealer404]

So, all of the people around the world that are buying Snap-On tools don't already know that they are made in the USA?

Leaving the Made in USA stamp on the tools is going to let the cat out of the bag on that one?

They aren't all made in the USA, which is why i don't understand the bitching.


Anyways, to flip your statement: All of the people around the world that are buying Snap-On tools already know that they are made in the USA.

Complaining about the stamp is going to change the tool?

 

[TwoInch]

They aren't all made in the USA, which is why i don't understand the bitching.


Anyways, to flip your statement: All of the people around the world that are buying Snap-On tools already know that they are made in the USA.

Complaining about the stamp is going to change the tool?

people are bitching because they arent stupid. i cant think of a single company that removed USA markings because they wanted to become a "global company". people arent buying it, and snap on is not being very open about the change. they havent removed the USA from all their USA tools, so why just the ratchets? they want the ratchets to be globally accepted, but not the rest?

people are bitching because this could be a bad sign for the possibly near future...

 

[concealer404]

people are bitching because they arent stupid. i cant think of a single company that removed USA markings because they wanted to become a "global company". people arent buying it, and snap on is not being very open about the change. they havent removed the USA from all their USA tools, so why just the ratchets? they want the ratchets to be globally accepted, but not the rest?

people are bitching because this could be a bad sign for the possibly near future...

You mean the near future errr.... i mean past in which SnapOn starts sending things overseas to be made?


Sorry, the stamp will have no bearing as to whether or not they go more imported.

There's not many industries that seem to have this sort of scrutiny and irrational paranoia about COO, it's a bit hard to draw similarities based on that.

 

[mmack66]

They aren't all made in the USA, which is why i don't understand the bitching.


Anyways, to flip your statement: All of the people around the world that are buying Snap-On tools already know that they are made in the USA.

Complaining about the stamp is going to change the tool?

I don't know. Maybe some of those people are buying them partly because they are Made in the USA, and seeing it on the tool assures them of such. I am only addressing the statements made by Snap-On. If there really are people out there that won't buy a Made in USA marked Snap-On, well that is a sad result of US foreign policy.

 

[concealer404]

I don't know. Maybe some of those people are buying them partly because they are Made in the USA, and seeing it on the tool assures them of such. I am only addressing the statements made by Snap-On. If there really are people out there that won't buy a Made in USA marked Snap-On, well that is a sad result of US foreign policy.

They might not know if there are enough people out there for that to happen. But why take the chance? It's not outside the realm of possibility that there's plenty of countries out there that hate us as much as this forum hates China.

Of course, on the flip side, you have to weigh that against the people here in the USA that might refuse to buy a tool made in the USA simply because it's not stamped as such. With a catch phrase like "Global Economy," the choice probably wasn't that hard.

Or of course it could all be a conspiracy theory and SnapOn is just conditioning everyone for things to come when they outsource EVERY one of their tools, instead of just "some." Luckily, laws say that anything imported has to have COO on it somewhere (even if only on the packaging), so anyone who can read will be able to tell what's going on.

 

[richfinn]

Neither, it is just a brand name.

I wonder if "America" could be used as a brand name, we could clean up. Get a load of Snap On clones made up in Hong Kong, stamp them with "America" and Bobs your uncle, Were all Millionaires.

Or "Ultimate Steels of Azerbajan" and just use the initials

 

[BrokewrenchLS1]

So people who care enough about a tool to not buy it if it has "Made in USA" on it are people Snap-on still wants to sell too, and aren't intelligent enough to want to know where the tools is made, if not in the US?

Terrorist 1: "Snap-on has a USA stamp on it, we hate it!"

Terrorist 2: "But Terrorist 1, look, it no longer has the stamp of the infidels on it! We are free to purchase it now!"

 

[concealer404]

So people who care enough about a tool to not buy it if it has "Made in USA" on it are people Snap-on still wants to sell too, and aren't intelligent enough to want to know where the tools is made, if not in the US?

Terrorist 1: "Snap-on has a USA stamp on it, we hate it!"

Terrorist 2: "But Terrorist 1, look, it no longer has the stamp of the infidels on it! We are free to purchase it now!"

Jim-Bob: "Hey Clem! Dis here ratchet has 'Made in the good 'ol Yew Ess of Ayyy' on it! It's da bomb-diggity!"

Clem: "Jim-Bob! Dis here new ratchet don't got "Made in the good 'ol Yew Ess of Ayyy' on it! Ima throw it out before da turrrrrists win!"

 

[richfinn]

I think I have explained this before but its simple enough so I will try again.

Big global manufacturers are geared up to meet demand (I know Snap On has a plant in the UK that makes things not labeled "Blue Point").

Why would they ship stuff from the USA that they make here.

If the factory that made ratchets in the USA burnt down overnight, or a prolonged strike took place it means sales can continue as they have another avenue of supply.

Its a classic business philosophy "dont put all your eggs in one basket or it will bite you on the ****"

Would you be really that bothered if it turned out you had something "Made In England"

Dont answer that

 

[bcradio]

There's not many industries that seem to have this sort of scrutiny and irrational paranoia about COO

SO TRUE!!!

I totally don't understand this at all. I buy the best quality consumer goods I can afford regardless of where its made. This includes tools/electronics/furniture/shoes/soap/etc...........

Why are people so funny about tools like that? Are the new flat panel LCD LED tv's worse than the old USA made CRT's of yester year? My answer: No!

 

[concealer404]

SO TRUE!!!

I totally don't understand this at all. I buy the best quality consumer goods I can afford regardless of where its made. This includes tools/electronics/furniture/shoes/soap/etc...........

Why are people so funny about tools like that? Are the new flat panel LCD LED tv's worse than the old USA made CRT's of yester year? My answer: No!

This is going to sound negative, but it's really not meant to be. If anyone takes it as negative, it's because they're stuck in the past where the term i'm about to use had a negative light to it.


It's because of Blue-Collar job pride. It used to be being a REAL American meant you worked with your hands on Detroit iron using USA SnapOn or Craftsman tools by golly. That's the way it was and if you didn't like it then **** you, you pansy. It's the USA vs. everyone else because we're the best and we won BOTH wars goddamnit.

Yeah, well... it's the year 2012 and the internet happened, people changed, the world changed, and now there's many more tool choices than there used to be. The people that have a hard on for anything made in the USA and nothing else, and attack those who buy other than USA, are simply stuck in the past, and that's it.

Nothing wrong with it, really, but for pete's sake, you're complaining about a STAMP on a tool made by a company THAT ALREADY IMPORTS SOME OF THEIR TOOLS. I can't REALLY be the only person seeing the sad irony on this, can i? Can I?!?

 

[Brownsfan]

people are bitching because they arent stupid. i cant think of a single company that removed USA markings because they wanted to become a "global company". people arent buying it, and snap on is not being very open about the change. they havent removed the USA from all their USA tools, so why just the ratchets? they want the ratchets to be globally accepted, but not the rest?

people are bitching because this could be a bad sign for the possibly near future...

I looked at pliers and USA is off those as well. My 29cp pwsc7 and 388cp all DO NOT HAVE USA ON THEM.