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sunster1

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For about 5 weeks, I have found a clear oily liquid seeping up through our garage floor. Not due to flooding as it hasn't rained here in a month. It gathers in one spot and never exceeds the size of a garbage can lid. It is not not near a wall or any water or drain pipe. The floor is about 15 years old, very smooth concrete- no cracks. We are second owners so not sure about composition of floor. Had a contractor/plumber look. He had never seen anything like it and couldn't determine a source since it was clearly not condensation- didn't think it was water. Any thoughts on what this is would be appreciated. I don't even know who to call.
 
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I think if I were you, I would call the local university and see if they would be willing to do a chemical analysis to tell you what it is..

The very last thing you'd want to do is to call the local county or EPA or something like that. If it cost a hundred grand to clean up, guess who pays the bill!

BTW, welcome to GJ!!!
 

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Where do you live? Does the house have a basement? Have you done any type of digging near the garage?

I only ask because my neighbors had something similar happen in their back yard that was a nice dry yard and when the electric company ran some power lines under ground they disturbed the water table and now it's a swamp no matter how little rain we get.
 
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sunster1

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Yes we do have a basement - also dry - no evidence of water on adjoining walls. We've done no digging. We live in West Virginia. Fracking occurring in local river but not too near us. I was thinking of having the liquid tested at WVU.
 

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It's not related to the fracking. That occurs waaaaaaay too deep to have effects anywhere near the surface.
 
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It's not related to the fracking. That occurs waaaaaaay too deep to have effects anywhere near the surface.

Not that it applies to this situation, but fracking regularly causes issues at the surface.

I'd get it tested by the Chem dept. They usually jump at that stuff. Run it through GC-MS, and see what they come up with.
 

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a couple of things come to mind. first are you parking you car over this area possible A/C condensation draining from car. second is underground piping under the slab going to a yard faucet or other place that sprung a leak.
 

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Clearly those barrels of industrial waste buried below your slab are now leaking...

Seriously, take a small amount of water, drop it on the mystery fluid. Do they mix, or not? If they mix, it is water soluble and probably some water is trapped below the slab. If it does not mix, it is not water soluble and you need to find out what it is--it could be hazardous.
 

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Clearly those barrels of industrial waste buried below your slab are now leaking...

Seriously, take a small amount of water, drop it on the mystery fluid. Do they mix, or not? If they mix, it is water soluble and probably some water is trapped below the slab. If it does not mix, it is not water soluble and you need to find out what it is--it could be hazardous.


I don't know for sure but I'd bet there are water soluble chemicals that are quite hazardous too.
 

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A local environmental lab would be able to do the analysis. Won't be cheap. A typical GCMS library search analysis will cost between 120-300 bucks, depending on the time spent. Even then you may end up with a bunch of unknowns.

What does it smell like? Odor can be a good clue. Also, what color is it? If you mop it up, does the same quantity return and what is the rate of appearance?
 

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It gathers in one spot and never exceeds the size of a garbage can lid.

Is a vehicle usually parked there? Try moving the car and see if the mystery puddle moves as well. Could be something coming from your car (AC perhaps now that the weather is warm) or has the car been serviced recently?
 

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I don't know for sure but I'd bet there are water soluble chemicals that are quite hazardous too.

Oops, didn't meant to imply that water soluble would be 'safe', just that if not water soluble then it is highly likely to be nasty.
 

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If you have a college close by see if you can talk to a chemist or environmental biology professor. Depending on how busy they are they may be able to do some rudimentary analysis or at least give you some informed guidance.

It is probably something silly, but good to be sure.

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Fracking can cause surface issues espcially with the chemicals and soap they use. There is a large fracking project going on near Marietta , Ohio just across the river from WV but not sure if its near you. This project went down and then horizontal across a few properties. Have you tried a small amount to see if its flammable ?
 

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Really interested what this could be.
I can’t contribute anything different to what has been said but would like to know if you have had an update.
 
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OMG...I thought I was going nuts! We also have this occurring in our garage by the steps entering our house. I've put kitty litter on it to soak it up and now more has appeared. It's has an oily feel to it but has no odor. It's not anywhere near the car. I can't find the source other than it 'appears' by the stairs. It'll happen, then go away, then happen again. No clue of the frequency and if it's tied to anything in particular. Who would you call for testing it?
 

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There was a man named Jed looking for grub to keep his family fed and up came from the ground some bubbly gu
 

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Sunsetr .. I seem to have the same problem ...not sure if you found an answer to your problem.. I would appreciate any info as to where i can start to fix this problem...

Thanks :)
 

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- I am probably the only ever perfessionally certified petroleum geologist (retired) to ever grace this forum... We did lots of fracking in the austin chalk in TX in the 1970s and 80s. It is simiply using water or some other liquid under pressure to 'crack' (fracture) the rocks around the bottom of the well bore to help the fluids (oil, natural gas) flow to the well bore.

no way causing small cracks deep undergound is likely to migrate all the way through the different stratas (different rock layers) and come out under your garage. Of course if it did, you might by looking at few extra thousands of dollars of personal income to you and your family!!!!
 

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- I am probably the only ever perfessionally certified petroleum geologist (retired) to ever grace this forum... We did lots of fracking in the austin chalk in TX in the 1970s and 80s. It is simiply using water or some other liquid under pressure to 'crack' (fracture) the rocks around the bottom of the well bore to help the fluids (oil, natural gas) flow to the well bore.
no way causing small cracks deep undergound is likely to migrate all the way through the different stratas (different rock layers) and come out under your garage. Of course if it did, you might by looking at few extra thousands of dollars of personal income to you and your family!!!!

"Water or some other liquid" in the 70s and 80s what do they use today?
 

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- I am probably the only ever perfessionally certified petroleum geologist (retired) to ever grace this forum... We did lots of fracking in the austin chalk in TX in the 1970s and 80s. It is simiply using water or some other liquid under pressure to 'crack' (fracture) the rocks around the bottom of the well bore to help the fluids (oil, natural gas) flow to the well bore.

no way causing small cracks deep undergound is likely to migrate all the way through the different stratas (different rock layers) and come out under your garage. Of course if it did, you might by looking at few extra thousands of dollars of personal income to you and your family!!!!

Ha its difficult to talk reason with many people outside the industry when media slanders you at every chance they get, especially when they don't even understand fracking in the first place.

"In the narrative concerning hydraulic fracturing, there seem to be two dominant points of view: those who unequivocally oppose it, and those who actually understand it."

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/opinion/article_9b1b6c6a-48f9-11e3-b50f-0019bb2963f4.html
 

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We have had the exact same problem. I would love to hear if you determined the cause. It is a clear substance that looks like water but is oily to touch. Our spot is never larger than a baseball. It seeps through the concrete in our garage in an area where we store toys, etc. I am afraid to have it tested due to the cost of repairs... There is no crack in the ground, it is not in an area where we park cars or the lawnmower, etc. The oil is definitely coming up through the concrete! It is in a spot that is not above the basement. We live in a very dry climate south of Denver. If anyone has determined the cause please let us know. It sounds like there are 3 of us on this forum with the same issue.
 

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We have had the exact same problem. I would love to hear if you determined the cause. It is a clear substance that looks like water but is oily to touch. Our spot is never larger than a baseball. It seeps through the concrete in our garage in an area where we store toys, etc. I am afraid to have it tested due to the cost of repairs... There is no crack in the ground, it is not in an area where we park cars or the lawnmower, etc. The oil is definitely coming up through the concrete! It is in a spot that is not above the basement. We live in a very dry climate south of Denver. If anyone has determined the cause please let us know. It sounds like there are 3 of us on this forum with the same issue.

I think it is the decaying slime from a troll that wasn't cemented deep enough.
 
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