Matco Honda Timing Gear Holders

[V70R]

Friend of mine has been in search of these for months, and doesn't know the part number. I believe it is an 7-8pc. kit of timing gear holders, for DOHC 4cyl engines. Anyone have a part number on this discontinued set? Thanks!

 

[G1GRANDEUR]

never needed holder tools for Honda's

but are you talking about this type?

 

[jws4621]

Depends on the Honda engine some of the early d series had a spot on the top of the cam retainers to hold the cams still. I tried one of the ones shown on my D16A1 and it wouldn't hold the cams in the correct position.

I am not sure on the b series motors I haven't done a timing belt on mine yet, but am due and am going to find out soon.

 

[Toolhorder]

I'm looked for the CNC machined 3 piece set in blow molded case. It was the best set I've ever used. Can't find it at all.

Each piece was CNC billet and had pegs on one side that fit in 4 places (2 spots each cam) no adjustments just fit perfectly and locked the cams. They were only for DOHC engines that were 4 cyl.

For the majority of Hondas nowadays I mainly see single cam last of the timing belt run Civics and V6's and you don't really need a holder. The V6 rear cam likes to move sometimes but as long as you recheck alignment before installing the belt you're good to go.

 

[V70R]

Found an image this morning, courtesy of DarkZero:

 

[scott0]

My buddy that works with me has a set of those. He might be willing to sell them. He never uses them. We work at a Honda dealership and IMHO they are not needed at all. The only Honda engines that will not hold the cams at tdc are the b18a, b18b, and b20 engines. Every other Honda engine will stay at tdc with the belt off. K series (timing chain) engines are a different story.
Hope this helps!

 

[V70R]

Thanks for the reply, Scott, and sent you a PM. Problem he and I have are with high lift cams and aftermarket valvetrain, PR3 and P72/73 gears are all over the place from spring tension.

 

[scott0]

I worked in a Honda performance shop assembling engines and transmissions. I know how fun it can be with dual coil springs and a high lift set of cams. I just assumed you were asking about a stock engine, sorry about that. I will see if he wants to sell his setup.

 

[aka Larry]

The only Honda engines that will not hold the cams at tdc are the b18a, b18b, and b20 engines.

My '89 Prelude has a B20A and we just used a drill bit in each cam to hold them at TDC.

 

[Seanbev24]

The B20A is the ******* B-series Honda engine that has very little in common with the rest, including the B20 B and Z.

 

[scott0]

My '89 Prelude has a B20A and we just used a drill bit in each cam to hold them at TDC.

The b18a,b and b20 engines are the only ones that you are able to do that with. Some of The k series had holes at the opposite end of the cams that would also allow them to be held at tdc. It's a nice feature.

 

[Toolhorder]

Found an image this morning, courtesy of DarkZero:

That's it!!!

The one I used looked OEM Honda though. Wasn't Matco. There is truth in what the other guy said though about not REALLY needing them. I hardly EVER work on 90's or early 00's Hondas anyway. Most are single cam Civic's. Most t-belts I do at the dealer are V6 anyway. It's a nice set though.