The VISES of Garage Journal

[nine4gmc]

gotta get up early in the morning to beat BC to a vise sale...

 

[ZRX61]

I'm not sure how many color schemes "No. 763" wore over the production run although I imagine it was a few. If it helps, here's a full profile shot of mine, showing all the metal, top-to-bottom.!

This is what mine looked like when I got it:

https://sphotos-a.**.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/312534_2186594437170_1162790560_n.jpg

It was a silvery/grey with red in the recessed stripes. I'm going with something "art deco looking"

 

[autopts]

Here's one for the journal before it goes on the auction block. Its a 41S Desmond Simplex and its a honey! 4 1/4" wide jaws, long slide, and it comes in at 45 lbs.

 

[north]

I would not mind having that Simplex delivered for free. Not at all. But that's me.

 

[EOC_Jason]

Oh that's a nice one... Any idea on the age?

 

[autopts]

Oh that's a nice one... Any idea on the age?

Not really..I'm sure one of the other members know more about these Desmond Simplex vises then I do. Just a guess..From the 60's

 

[TXM]

Hi Guys and Galls,

Found this one on CL the other day. The guy wants 50 bucks for it. It appears to be a Columbian, 504 or 604 m2. With a fresh coat of silver spay paint on it.

I can't tell much other than handle on the lead screw is warped, and that the teeth look to be smoothed down and not have much bite.

For 50, do you think it is worth it, or worth a look? Should I keep looking? If this is ok? can this warped piece or those smooth teeth be replaced?

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/81320462@N03/7665473646/" title="5Ne5G55Fc3K53Lc3Hfc64280c354253af12c9[1] by @matt79, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8290/7665473646_f3a1a62223.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="5Ne5G55Fc3K53Lc3Hfc64280c354253af12c9[1]"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/81320462@N03/7665469624/" title="5L45K85X43K53La3I7c641e187d83c5491566[1] by @matt79, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7119/7665469624_3f51aedefe.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="5L45K85X43K53La3I7c641e187d83c5491566[1]"></a>

Thanks,
Matt

 

[EOC_Jason]

The handle can always be beat back straight or if you have a press you can do it that way too.

Those look like the older T jaws that are held in with pins. I don't know if they make replacements or what. Those pictures are kind of fuzzy, it kind of looks like the jaws still have their teeth but it's just spray painted over....

I say it is worth a look. If there's no cracks or chips in the castings... Offer him $40 and see if he takes it.

 

[dephiants]

i came upon a 208r reed vise and want to learn all i can about it, its on a pretty stout base and all together weighs 704 pounds! Fill me in I cant find anything more than an occassional reference here and there. Should I restore it? would it be worth powdercoating?

 

[Burgerkong]

704 pounds?! You mean 70.4?

 

[tool_scrounge]

704 pounds?! You mean 70.4?

Well the vise is close to 300 lbs. So with base 700 is possible.

 

[Burgerkong]

Ah, read too fast. LOL. a 704 pound vise must be huge.

 

[TreePointer]

I'm also wondering if those t-shaped jaw insert replacements are available or if I'd have to have them machined (expensive?) somewhere. I'm looking to replace 5" inserts on a Columbian.

 

[boostedgt]

little craftsman vise i just picked up

 

[phy6]

i came upon a 208r reed vise and want to learn all i can about it, its on a pretty stout base and all together weighs 704 pounds! Fill me in I cant find anything more than an occassional reference here and there. Should I restore it? would it be worth powdercoating?

Those things are too big to be usable. Where did you say you found this?

 

[Bill in Texas]

This is what mine looked like when I got it:

https://sphotos-a.**.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/312534_2186594437170_1162790560_n.jpg

It was a silvery/grey with red in the recessed stripes. I'm going with something "art deco looking"

ZRX,

I read elsewhere that the gray with red began circa 1950 & the blue w/yellow lettering began in '64.

Evidently, Stanley painted these small vices black prior to 1950.

If anyone knows otherwise, let us know!

-Bill

 

[EOC_Jason]

I'm also wondering if those t-shaped jaw insert replacements are available or if I'd have to have them machined (expensive?) somewhere. I'm looking to replace 5" inserts on a Columbian.

You could probably get a basic set made pretty cheap, but would have to do the final fitting by hand with a grinder. Then once it fits just drill the 3 holes and re-pin.

 

[Outlawmws]

ZRX,

I read elsewhere that the gray with red began circa 1950 & the blue w/yellow lettering began in '64.

Evidently, Stanley painted these small vices black prior to 1950.

If anyone knows otherwise, let us know!

-Bill

I have an early version of this vise, a No. 745. it has the Stanley Works "Sweet Heart" logo (S.W in a heart) which someone was able to date for me to 1920-1934. This one appears to have original paint: Giant's colors! (Or maybe Halloween... )

We also have a newer version that I gave to my daughter for her jewelery making. She chose blue for this one, but it was red before:


Before:

After

 

[MrRocket]

Here is my freshened up Sambre Meuse. Took it all apart and gave it some fresh paint. Used Rustoleum Hammered Bronze. It was painted black when I got it, originally it was a hammered silver.

 

[Bill in Texas]

...a newer version that I gave to my daughter for her jewelery making. She chose blue for this one, but it was red before:


Before:

After

Nice!
-Coincidentally, my teenage daughter is "into" crafts & jewelry-making, too.

Hmmm... I wonder-

 

[eighthd]

here is my just bought it today

 

[bigcaddy]

here is my just bought it today

What did you have to pay for that? Those are my favorite little vises and i use most of mine on a daily basis. some are bench mounted, some are on special bases clamped in bigger vises and others are on the Power arm positioners from Wilton.

 

[bl00]

I'm also wondering if those t-shaped jaw insert replacements are available or if I'd have to have them machined (expensive?) somewhere. I'm looking to replace 5" inserts on a Columbian.

Morgan Milwaukee still makes the T shaped jaws. You could see if they fit, although even if they do the pin holes probably won't line up. It should be cheap to get aluminum ones made if that will suit your needs.

 

[bl00]

i came upon a 208r reed vise and want to learn all i can about it, its on a pretty stout base and all together weighs 704 pounds! Fill me in I cant find anything more than an occassional reference here and there. Should I restore it? would it be worth powdercoating?

What do you want to know about them? They're just like the other Reeds only really big and hard to find. Powdercoating would probably look great unless it starts chipping.

Post up some pics.

 

[TreePointer]

Morgan Milwaukee still makes the T shaped jaws. You could see if they fit, although even if they do the pin holes probably won't line up. It should be cheap to get aluminum ones made if that will suit your needs.

You could probably get a basic set made pretty cheap, but would have to do the final fitting by hand with a grinder. Then once it fits just drill the 3 holes and re-pin.

Thanks for the info.

 

[toomanytoyzz]

I have an early version of this vise, a No. 745. it has the Stanley Works "Sweet Heart" logo (S.W in a heart) which someone was able to date for me to 1920-1934. This one appears to have original paint: Giant's colors! (Or maybe Halloween... )

WRONG.....it's color matched for the Philadelphia Flyers!!!

 

[jeffmoss26]

Not sure if I posted these pics before, but here is a Wilton Shop King we use at the hardware store. No idea how old it is. It works great except for one thing...the clip on the movable jaw broke, so we put a retaining ring on, which is not the right size, so the vise does not close all the way. I will have to take a close up picture next time I am there.

 

[Monte]

115mm "Peddinghaus Matador" vice/vise

 

[Low Friction]

115mm "Peddinghaus Matador" vice/vise

That look to be a forged vise. Very tough I bet!

 

[Monte]

That look to be a forged vise. Very tough I bet!

i think the c-channel is not forged (?) but the rest is a drop forged/welded constuction. Surface hardened. Forever guaranteed not to break or you get a new one. 75.000 psi tensile strength. Removeable jaw covers can be attached to the rings you see under the jaws.

 

[Outlawmws]

Not sure if I posted these pics before, but here is a Wilton Shop King we use at the hardware store. No idea how old it is. It works great except for one thing...the clip on the movable jaw broke, so we put a retaining ring on, which is not the right size, so the vise does not close all the way. I will have to take a close up picture next time I am there.

Why would this affect closing all the way

 

[demographic]

i think the c-channel is not forged (?) but the rest is a drop forged/welded constuction. Surface hardened. Forever guaranteed not to break or you get a new one. 75.000 psi tensile strength. Removeable jaw covers can be attached to the rings you see under the jaws.

If I remember this right thats about the same tensile strength as the Record engineering vice's made from pearlitic malleable iron.

 

[jeffmoss26]

You can't quite see it here, but the retaining clip is much wider than the hole in the jaw. This does not allow the screw to go all the way in. I will get better pictures over the weekend.

 

[Monte]

If I remember this right thats about the same tensile strength as the Record engineering vice's made from pearlitic malleable iron.

could be, but i´ve never seen a forged broken vise.

 

[Low Friction]

could be, but i´ve never seen a forged broken vise.

I'm guessing a forged vise will not just snap like grey cast iron. Will probably just yield and bend. How does a ductile iron vise fail? Do they snap or just bend.

 

[bigcaddy]

I don't think ive ever seen a Shop King without the hole in the anvil area. Thats a first for me.

 

[Monte]

I'm guessing a forged vise will not just snap like grey cast iron. Will probably just yield and bend. How does a ductile iron vise fail? Do they snap or just bend.

cast metal products will just crack

 

[EOC_Jason]

The blue columbian just came in the mail today... *Joy*

 

[Outlawmws]

You can't quite see it here, but the retaining clip is much wider than the hole in the jaw. This does not allow the screw to go all the way in. I will get better pictures over the weekend.

That is still under the dynamic jaw, and the static jaw has an undercut also. How can that hit/interfere? Are you sure the screw isn't buggered where the jaw stops?

 

[jeffmoss26]

I closes almost all the way, with about 1/8 inch or so of a gap. Pictures will help, trust me.
Speaking of which, bigcaddy, do you have a picture of a Shop King with a hole in the anvil?