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A 1935 catalog page, the latest I have, shows the Bulldog line with numbering consistent with that. It goes from the 3" number 512 up to the 5" number 516. It doesn't list the larger vises, but I would guess that the 6"=517 and 8"=518. A 1927 catalog page has a completely different numbering system for the Bulldog.

If that vise was listed on Craigslist I think I saw it. It was huge! Too bad you didn't get it. It would have looked nice in your kitchen. You could use it to open jars of peanut butter or hold toast while you buttered it.
 
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Picked up these two today at an Estate Sale :)

Athol 613 1/2X and 3" QUICKCET Grand Vise
 

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If that vise was listed on Craigslist I think I saw it. It was huge! Too bad you didn't get it. It would have looked nice in your kitchen. You could use it to open jars of peanut butter or hold toast while you buttered it.

BWAHAHAHA! Too funny....
 

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Here's a 6 inch. Does the bigger one have the same shape or the more traditional Record shape?

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/35604059@N03/4936263884/" title="RECORD No. 516 HEAVY CHIPPING VICE by Ljotulfson, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4082/4936263884_9e39dc19d2_z.jpg" width="640" height="433" alt="RECORD No. 516 HEAVY CHIPPING VICE"></a>

That Record Chipping vise looks so much like the Prentiss line. Stepped main body, the ledge above the main screw handle, even the bevels on the Dynamic jaw curves...
 

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That Record Chipping vise looks so much like the Prentiss line. Stepped main body, the ledge above the main screw handle, even the bevels on the Dynamic jaw curves...

Record weren't too bothered about nicking other peoples designs over the years.
Their handplanes were directly ripped off from Stanley, their other vices have amazing resemblances to the ones made by Parkinson's (the fitters vice with quick release was designed in 1884 by Parkinsons) and Fortis so I don't suppose they would worry too much about borrowing a design from Prentiss either.

In very much the same way that Wilton design is erm...influenced by York.
 

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Any luck on your end?

Hey, B100; I have a an update report for you:

Success! I drove a couple hours down to KY, and bought that giant Ridge Tool Co vise. It's HUGE, and in great condition. :rocker: Thanks so much for the lead. :bowdown: :bow:

Today (Sunday) I've got to get a critical report written for a client up east, and have it ready early tomorrow morning, so photos will have to wait until later. I hope I will have time today.

Assuming I will get this report done while I still have daylight for photos, I'm kinda like a news-reporter saying, "Coverage and photos at 11!"

Thanks again! ;)
 

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Success! I drove a couple hours down to KY, and bought that giant Ridge Tool Co vise. It's HUGE, and in great condition. :rocker: Thanks so much for the lead.

What? Huh? I went a couple pages back but you two must of conversed via PM.

Forget work, POST PICS!!!! What model is it at least? Such a tease! :willy_nil
 

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The private underbelly of the Vise community is a dark and evil beast. Abandon all bench space, Ye who enter here.....or something like that. Not only that, but it was a dark and stormy night......
Craig
 

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The private underbelly of the Vise community is a dark and evil beast. Abandon all bench space, Ye who enter here.....or something like that. Not only that, but it was a dark and stormy night......
Craig

:lol_hitti

Good one! better because it's TRUE! :evil:

I ever get some real space I'd like to build a shallow bench to store/display the vises, maybe a main level with the big iron, and lower/upper levels with the smaller stuff...
 

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Picked this little guy up this evening off CL (along with a diminutive Tsaw, 11" wide 14" deep...)

Never seen a Parker this small. 23 lbs total, granted that's without a swivel base, but still, for a machinist vise...

Marked No. 0000 and Meridian. No pat no. :dunno:

The slide has one corner chipped off, but that is an easy fix; other than that little sign of abuse.

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Here is my Reed no. 106R vise

And my Ridgid pipe vise.

Both mounted on a 3/4" thick steel top table, with super heavy cast iron legs. The table is so heavy it never moves, even if you have something in the vise with a 8' cheater bar on it. Its like its welded to the floor. :D
 

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Anyone have any info on this guy? Googling got me nada on a Parker No. 0000 :headscrat

Picked this little guy up this evening off CL (along with a diminutive Tsaw, 11" wide 14" deep...)

Never seen a Parker this small. 23 lbs total, granted that's without a swivel base, but still, for a machinist vise...

Marked No. 0000 and Meridian. No pat no. :dunno:

The slide has one corner chipped off, but that is an easy fix; other than that little sign of abuse.

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Anyone have any info on this little guy? :confused:
 

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Here is my Reed no. 106R vise

And my Ridgid pipe vise.

Both mounted on a 3/4" thick steel top table, with super heavy cast iron legs. The table is so heavy it never moves, even if you have something in the vise with a 8' cheater bar on it. Its like its welded to the floor. :D

I wish I had a hulk table like that! And maybe the vise too :thumbup:
 
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When I was working in a machine shop repairing logging and sawmill equipment we ended up with the center burned from a large roller chain sprocket that was about 1-1/2" thick and four feet in diameter. We also had a junk cable drum from a logging yarder that weighed about 1,000 lbs. I noticed that the sprocket center exactly matched the OD of the drum, so we welded it on for a top and mounted a large vise on it. That became one of the most useful tools in the shop. It wouldn't move no matter how much you reefed on anything in the vise. It made a great welding table within the size limit of the top. It was easy to move around with a forklift - just spear the center of the drum between the forks and lift it by the upper flange.

Nowdays it would have been too tempting to scrap the pieces, with scrap prices so high.
 

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Outlaw - Maybe it's the first Parker ever made? perhaps a prototype?... ;) Seriously though, who numbers a vise 0000? Either someone messed up casting, or it is a one-off ????

Provincial - I think I can visualize what you are saying. I've got a friend that has a big sprocket from an old CAT bulldozer... It just screams the perfect base since it's so industrial. Just haven't had the time to get one of his friends to cut out a base with the proper hole pattern that we can weld a pipe to that then bolt the pipe part to the sprocket.

I did fix another vise stand today that I got from someone a while back. They welded the pipe to the top in the worst possible place. From one side the pipe was too close so you couldn't get any holes drilled for the back mounts of a vise, from the other end it stuck out so far it just made the whole thing off-balance. After cutting off the top base, I managed to find a scrap piece of solid roundstock that just barely slid in the 4-1/2" pipe... Probably doubled the weight of the stand. I also cut the top base down to size and it's now welded to where the vise is centered (more or less) over the pipe.

Success! I drove a couple hours down to KY, and bought that giant Ridge Tool Co vise. It's HUGE, and in great condition. :rocker: Thanks so much for the lead.

Still waiting for pics.... :willy_nil
 
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Outlaw - That little fellow is mighty old. It is from the late 1890's to about 1915 in age. It is the forerunner of the machinist vise line from Parker. It is indeed a #0000 model vise. This was the smallest of the new machinist line in a stationary model. The swivel base models had that old center bolt with handle that extended below the workbench surface. Yours should have about 3 1/4" to maybe 3 1/2" jaw width ....weigh 23 pounds....and would have cost about $4.40 back in 1910. The others in the stationary line had numbers that were 0000...100...200....300...etc. The swivel base models had a
"2" in front of those numbers.....2000...2100....2200...2300...etc. Hope this helps!
Craig
 

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Outlaw - That little fellow is mighty old. It is from the late 1890's to about 1915 in age. It is the forerunner of the machinist vise line from Parker. It is indeed a #0000 model vise. This was the smallest of the new machinist line in a stationary model. The swivel base models had that old center bolt with handle that extended below the workbench surface. Yours should have about 3 1/4" to maybe 3 1/2" jaw width ....weigh 23 pounds....and would have cost about $4.40 back in 1910. The others in the stationary line had numbers that were 0000...100...200....300...etc. The swivel base models had a
"2" in front of those numbers.....2000...2100....2200...2300...etc. Hope this helps!
Craig

Thanks Craig! (You must have a LOT of old catalogs... Any chance of a catalog page?) Yep 23 lbs and 3-1/4" jaws. Possibly the original paint!

This one will get a basic cleanup and the rust removed without messing with the paint. It's just to clean to mess with any other way. It's likely the oldest vise in my collection (unless my post vise is older; no clue on it's age...). The cart it was on has an old and tiny Sears Companion T-saw, from 33-40. I'll try to pin that closer later. But they are both REAL old!
 

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Still waiting for pics.... :willy_nil

LOL. Ok, guys. Sorry to make you wait. But I HAD to get that written report done. Thankfully it's finished now. So, on with the pics of my first-ever BIG bench vise. (just remember, you ASKED for these pix, and there are a LOT of them!)

So I drove to rural KY, to meet a lady who had this big ol' bench vise for sale. My newly-favorite GJ pal :bowdown: B100 had alerted me that this vise was listed for sale on Craigslist, not too far from my home (about 2.5 hours or so). I had called the lady, and we agreed to the price, and scheduled a pick-up time a few days later.

When my wife and I got to the area and reached our turn-off point from the KY state highway, the road quickly became more narrow, and then MORE narrow, and then even more skinny. It was so narrow that I had to take two stabs at one sharp to make the radius with my 4-dr Silverado pickup truck! :willy_nil

When I got there, she had enlisted the assistance of a gentleman to be there and help out. I met them inside the barn/shop, and could see right away that this place had been the shop of someone who did a LOT of tinkering around with mechanical things.

And then, I spotted it sitting there on the floor. Yep, this was a BIG vise!
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The shop was dark and dingy, and I wasn't sure if the little camera I had brought along would have enough flash power to light it up for photos. Moreover, this thing was gonna be HEAVY, and I dreaded trying to pick it up, even with the other guy's help. (I can still do limited heavy lifting when I must, but whenever I do, I really pay for it later that night, you know?)
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Thankfully that old engine hoist in the background worked perfectly, and a teenage girl grabbed it like an old hand, whipped it into position, and began lowering the boom to pick it up. But they couldn't find a chain anywhere. Eventually we found a short piece, but it looked WAY too lightweight for this lift. Yet, that was all we had, and we got away with it. I focused my attention in making sure that no one got underneath that thing, and that we didn't hit any chuckholes in the barn floor while rolling it. They had made the chain too long, and were planning on jacking it way up in the air to clear my tailgate, and then rolling it across the floor. I convinced them to roll it with the vise very close to the floor, until we reached the truck. (My tailgate was pointing up at an angle, due to the earthen ramp leading up and into the barn!)
Here is a pic just a few minutes after we set down in the bed of my truck.
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Yeah, once I got it out into daylight, I could see that this was indeed a pretty big bench vise.
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Careful examination in daylight revealed no cracks anywhere that I could find.
Note how straight and nice that big ol' handle is!
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Sorry this pic didn't focus well on the tape measure. It reads exactly 8" wide. I'm sure other guys have bigger vises, but this one is my all-time biggest vise, ever.
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No chips missing from the slide, and thankfully, NO evidence of anyone ever having used the slide as an anvil! :beer:
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It's a Ridgid 81P, made in Elyria, Ohio. Says, "STEEL SLIDE" on the dynamic jaw.
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Closer photo of the model number side shows a "U" character under the model number:
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This vise seems to have been used VERY little. As you have seen, the paint looks to be in pretty good shape, considering. And close-up photos of the teeth patterns in the jaw-inserts shows little or no wear.
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Is that middle bolt broken off in the hole? I dunno, but I'm not gonna bother it. It's been in there a long time, and it's not hurting a thing! LOL
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Look at the minimum signs of wear on the bottom of the slide, where much of the (original?) paint remains.
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I found two tiny spots of very slight "damage" to the jaw inserts. Maybe someone used an acetylene torch on something held in this vise? In any case, the spots are certainly not bad enough to cause me to want to do anything about them!
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Tonight I had more time to look it over carefully, and noticed some "dirt" accumulated along the edge of the mounting flange. But when I looked at it closer, it wasn't dirt. Some MO-ron has tried to weld this thing to a bench or stand, at some time. Sheesh! :dunno:
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I noticed that the mounting-bolt holes don't really look like they have been used much...certainly not in a VERY long time. You don't suppose that some MO-ron intended to just weld it down, and not even use bolts to secure it...do you??:dunno::willy_nil :lol:

And, as you can see, the welder was not too skilled at his or her craft. I think it would be easy to grind away and fill the low places back in, but I doubt that I will do that. I don't think most folks will ever notice it, and it adds to the story of this vise...don't you think?

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Ok, so now you have the story and the photos of Lump's first ever BIG old vise. I have about 20 or more vises now, and must decide which ones to keep and use, and which to sell. Hmmmm...decisions, decisions!
 

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Good looking vise, Outlaw. Someday ill get the 3 Parkers that i bought cleaned up and get some pictures taken.

I would of already had them done by now but i'm starting to suffer from "Vise Fatigue":sad:.

I'm thinking it has something do with working a long and early day, then racing back home to just steam myself in that big metal box i call a workshop. :lol:


I'll try to remember to snap some shots of that Monarch i picked up recently.
 

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Here is my Reed no. 106R vise

And my Ridgid pipe vise.

Both mounted on a 3/4" thick steel top table, with super heavy cast iron legs. The table is so heavy it never moves, even if you have something in the vise with a 8' cheater bar on it. Its like its welded to the floor. :D

thats one sweet welding table!! to be so simple, yet it is everything you will ever need and will easily outlast you.
 

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Geez, Lump! That thing is a pig!:lol:

I have a near mint Rigid 4" combo vise my grandfather bought for our fire sprinkler business, it was a spare and was never used, and i think the center holes in the jaw inserts are locating pins, not screws. Similar to what with Wilton 9300 machinists vises have.

What does that thing weigh?
 

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Geez, Lump! That thing is a pig!:lol:

I have a near mint Rigid 4" combo vise my grandfather bought for our fire sprinkler business, it was a spare and was never used, and i think the center holes in the jaw inserts are locating pins, not screws. Similar to what with Wilton 9300 machinists vises have.

What does that thing weigh?

Dunno, Caddy. :dunno: Gotta wait till one of my sons comes over to help me lift it out of the truck. It is really beefy, compared to some other 8"-jaw vises I have seen. I'll bet it's close to 150LBs, or more. Right now it's buried under branches I must haul to the dumpster tomorrow. Then I'll get someone to help me weigh it, and report back.
 

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:bowdown: Incredible find Lump! Total the opposite end of the spectrum of the one I got last night! (a couple of posts above your post) :beer:
 

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Good looking vise, Outlaw. Someday ill get the 3 Parkers that i bought cleaned up and get some pictures taken.

I would of already had them done by now but i'm starting to suffer from "Vise Fatigue":sad:.

I'm thinking it has something do with working a long and early day, then racing back home to just steam myself in that big metal box i call a workshop. :lol:


I'll try to remember to snap some shots of that Monarch i picked up recently.


Thanks BC! and maybe some insulation and an AC unit in your hot box? :dunno:
 

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By the way, before someone asks, I paid $250 for it. I know that is a bunch of money, but it seems to have been used very little, it's huge, and I like it.

Besides, I've been needing something like this for tying trout flies, you know?

Oops...forgot to post my pic of the overall length. With jaws closed, it's about 34" long:
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Dunno, Caddy. :dunno: Gotta wait till one of my sons comes over to help me lift it out of the truck. It is really beefy, compared to some other 8"-jaw vises I have seen. I'll bet it's close to 150LBs, or more. Right now it's buried under branches I must haul to the dumpster tomorrow. Then I'll get someone to help me weigh it, and report back.

Get the slide out and weigh it in halves Lump. that's what I did with my Reed recently, if only to keep it from falling sideways off the bathroom scale.
 

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I really like that old Parker, outlaw. When I first saw it, I thought, very cool early machinist vise. Then in true GJ style, Craig confirms with some very good old vise info.

Great find, Lump, that is a vise among vises...or maybe vices ;)
 

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Thanks BC! and maybe some insulation and an AC unit in your hot box? :dunno:

I wish i could but it won't quite work like that. Its actually our families business workshop/tool store room that served as a small bottling room for an Adohr Dairy years ago. The walls are heavy gauge steel with I-beam supports attached to a smaller brick "vault" room.

There is no way to attach insulation and a portable AC wouldn't do much.

Its like a sauna with all sweating i do, and none of the enjoyment!:lol:
 

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It's a Ridgid 81P, made in Elyria, Ohio. Says, "STEEL SLIDE" on the dynamic jaw.

:willy_nil WOW!! :willy_nil

That is most certainly a nice vise, and I think it is worth every penny you paid and mile you drove!

My guess is it weighs around 200 lbs.... I could never find any old catalog pages for the old Ridgid vises, but I did find one of the Desmond Simplex models (very similar, but also lists swivel bases only)... It has an 81-S @ 250 lbs.... 8-1/4" Jaw / 14" Opening...

If you ever decide to sell it, I call first dibs!!! That is most definitely worth a road trip! :rocker:
 

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:willy_nil WOW!! :willy_nil

That is most certainly a nice vise, and I think it is worth every penny you paid and mile you drove!

My guess is it weighs around 200 lbs.... I could never find any old catalog pages for the old Ridgid vises, but I did find one of the Desmond Simplex models (very similar, but also lists swivel bases only)... It has an 81-S @ 250 lbs.... 8-1/4" Jaw / 14" Opening...

If you ever decide to sell it, I call first dibs!!! That is most definitely worth a road trip! :rocker:

I was wondering when you would chime in Jason since you are the Ridgid vise guy now LOL.
 

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:willy_nil WOW!! :willy_nil

That is most certainly a nice vise, and I think it is worth every penny you paid and mile you drove!

My guess is it weighs around 200 lbs.... I could never find any old catalog pages for the old Ridgid vises, but I did find one of the Desmond Simplex models (very similar, but also lists swivel bases only)... It has an 81-S @ 250 lbs.... 8-1/4" Jaw / 14" Opening...

If you ever decide to sell it, I call first dibs!!! That is most definitely worth a road trip! :rocker:
Jason,
Ok, I hear you, man.

For the record, I am torn about the future of this big ol' Ridgid vise. I have wanted one this big ever since I first joined Garage Journal, and became infected with the highly-contagious disease which haunts our online community, commonly known as "big vise fever." Yet it might cover up my current workbench almost entirely (chuckle). Then again, my wife and I are considering buying a different home with a different shop out back, and I might have room for one like this there. On the other hand, I have noticed what some of these-sized vises will bring on eBay...

I have 20 or 30 old vises now in varying sizes and shapes, including some oddball and interesting configurations. I need to make some decisions. But I'm not in a hurry.

More news at 11. Tune in. :thumbup:
 
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