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Zeke

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You never mentioned why you didnt shoot them...
A 180 grain 30.06 bullet will cover that distance a helluva lot faster than you or I would.

Look on the bright side, you still have your drill press.

Sorry about your break-in.

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It was obvious to me since I live in SoCal. It's illegal to discharge a firearm in the city or county even if you are protecting yourself or your property. That's just the way the cops work around here.

It's a hell of a lot easier to lose the wire and have to fix the door than to lose your gun and pay the attorney's fees. Just his gun (if he has one) will cost more than the damage. You shoot one around here and you will never see it again.

This is the way in most of the highly populated areas of the country. You cowboys that hunt on your own property are only the majority in very rural areas. You won't make it in the city.

Why do we live here? Well, we used to make good money in the city. Easily 40 an hour for being in the trades. I don't hear much 40/hr in the Midwest plains.
 
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I'm personally a fan of issuing an *** kicking before shooting someone, but these drugged out retards are liable to come back with their friends and become a REAL threat.

One of the great things about this little town is that everyone within an hour's drive KNOWS that virtually every home is armed, and that there is always SOMEONE watching out for their neighbors. You come breaking in a house here, and the best case scenario involves the cops coming to discuss the photographs with you, or possibly going to explain to the cops exactly why you have an arrow sticking out of your *** (this actually happened a few years ago). It also helps that if you want to live here, you work for the company.
 
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1967marti

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It's almost counter productive to own a gun in California. I too am in SOCAL because of the pay, i was on my way to my home-state of Texas before i got a job offer as soon as i got out of the military.
I still keep my gun because in the off chance that someone does break in, and after i give them every chance to leave they don't, I can defend myself. I'll worry about fighting off the dead leache's family's layers after the fact. At least I'll still be alive.

They now sell those tazer guns that the cops use at some gun shops. I'm looking to get one just as another tool to use in-case of a break-in. Boy would i love to taze one of those worthless scumbags... I think I'd take the opportunity to see how long the battery in one of those things lasts.
 

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As I get older I have less desire to see any of these leechs get anything of mine. There was a time when I would not think of shooting someone simply for stealing from me but not so much anymore.
 

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This is the way in most of the highly populated areas of the country. You cowboys that hunt on your own property are only the majority in very rural areas. You won't make it in the city.

Not really. Depends on the city.
 

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Guy I went to school with was a real peace of ****. One day, he and his buddies decide they are going to rob a couple of their marijuana, he pulls out his gun and pistol whips the husband... Gun goes off and kills the wife. It wasn't his first robbery, in fact he had previously been caught robbing an amish horse and buggy, if he would have been killed in a previous attempt, he wouldn't have been around to kill that lady.

Inaction giving birth to action. Because nobody took his life, he took someone else's. Obviously it's not that cut and dry, just want to give you a different perspective.

Also, we as a society find it morally acceptable to take a life just because said life would be an inconvenience for it's mother, yet we should be appalled at the thought of killing worthless individuals who steal from us? Why?

Yes, clearly us that wish death upon thieves and other lowlifes are the ones with issues...
 

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Also, we as a society find it morally acceptable to take a life just because said life would be an inconvenience for it's mother, yet we should be appalled at the thought of killing worthless individuals who steal from us? Why?

Yes, clearly us that wish death upon thieves and other lowlifes are the ones with issues...


Ding!
 

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It was obvious to me since I live in SoCal. It's illegal to discharge a firearm in the city or county even if you are protecting yourself or your property. That's just the way the cops work around here.

It's a hell of a lot easier to lose the wire and have to fix the door than to lose your gun and pay the attorney's fees. Just his gun (if he has one) will cost more than the damage. You shoot one around here and you will never see it again.

This is the way in most of the highly populated areas of the country. You cowboys that hunt on your own property are only the majority in very rural areas. You won't make it in the city.

Why do we live here? Well, we used to make good money in the city. Easily 40 an hour for being in the trades. I don't hear much 40/hr in the Midwest plains.

You can keep your city life AND 40 dollars an hour.

"American by birth, Southern by the grace of God"
 

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I live in a pretty rough neighborhood, I leave my garage door open at night by accident sometimes and all the neighbors have mentioned it to me one time or the other, I just tell them I got drunk and was waiting with my gun for some fool to show up and try to take something.
That and once or twice a year I mow the lawn with a pistol sticking out of the back of pants keeps them guessing and they move on to the easy pickings.
 
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I actually know a few people that have shot & killed burglars that broke into their home, they were not charged because it is self defense, and this happened in Nor Cal,.....I think Southern Cal is more anti gun.
 

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I actually know a few people that have shot & killed burglars that broke into their home, they were not charged because it is self defense, and this happened in Nor Cal,.....I think Southern Cal is more anti gun.

Detached, unoccupied garage is not their home nor self defense. I'm not opposed to during them, I'm just saying be prepared for the consequences.
 

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I actually know a few people that have shot & killed burglars that broke into their home, they were not charged because it is self defense, and this happened in Nor Cal,.....I think Southern Cal is more anti gun.

The actual # of incidents where someone has shot and killed a burglar is really small. A quick Google search will easily confirm it....

So, the likelyhood that you "actually know a few people that have shot & killed burglars" is pretty far fetched. In fact, I'll call it total BS.

Actually, I think your a troll.
 

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haye to say it, Shoot them, just make sure there is only one statement the cops can take, if a few of these lowlifes were removed, just maybe some of the other idiots would think twice about going into someones house or garage, so its a win,win, yes some will be put down like the animal they are, and with luck the rest will smarten up and realize its not a good idea. I hate to say it, but right now the thieves have more rights then you do, they know the cops wont come, if you touch them they sue, HOW THE HELL DID WE LET IT GET THIS F'ED UP?
 

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I don't hear much 40/hr in the Midwest plains.

Here in the oil fields the average is $22/hr (without a H.S. diploma), of course you wont find any houses over $125k (thats the really big ones, I paid $65k for my 2500 sq.ft. brick home), you also wont find any car insurance thats more than about $150/month (thats what my daughter paid at 22 for 2 4wd trucks full coverage), you wont find a lot of things here, crime, hate, predjudice, wal-mart (it's 110 miles to the nearest Wal-mart).

Even McDonalds here pays $12.50/hr and on that you can support a family of 4 and a house, hotel maids make $10/hr sometimes undocumented.

No, not a lot of $40/hr jobs, unless you have a minimal education in the trades, welders, fitters, electricians, diesel service, flow systems specialists, all well over $150k/year, geologists, metalurgists, environmental specialists, if you earned that degree (and I dont mean a ba), then you cant find a job under $250/yr.

It's not all sunshine and pool parties I'm afraid, we work, long days, hard hours, and have 9 months of winter to contend with, this is advanced citizenship here, you have to want it and earn it. Nine months of winter and average wind speeds in the 30mph range also mean no emission checks, no one cares, we lisence ATVs for street use here, in fact it's required if you own one, most people do, if you have a old ford with a chevy engine, no muffler, the glass is out, doors are at home, as long as the VIN matches the title you get plates, as long as the lights all work you dont get pulled over, thats our safety inspection.

Yes, you have to give up the crime, poverty, filth and shopping of the city, and you wont have as many friends to hang with (we all have jobs here). But not everywhere is like California (no matter how hard you try).
 
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You could always follow this guys method....

HOW TO CALL THE POLICE
Roger Gresse, an elderly man, from Zanesville, OH, was going up to bed, when his wife told him that he'd left the light on in the garden shed. Roger opened the back door to go turn off the light, but saw that there were people in the shed stealing things.

He phoned the police, who asked, "Is someone in your house?"

He said "No," but some people are breaking into my garden shed and stealing from me."

Then the police dispatcher said. "All patrols are busy. You should lock your doors and an officer will be along when one is available."

Roger said, "Okay."

He hung up the phone and counted to 30.

Then he phoned the police again.

"Hello, I just called you a few seconds ago because there were people stealing things from my shed. Well, you don't have to worry about them now because I just shot them," and he hung up.

Within five minutes, six police cars, a SWAT team, a helicopter, two fire trucks, a paramedic, and an ambulance showed up at the Gresse residence, and caught the burglars red-handed.

One of the policemen said to Roger, "I thought you said that you'd shot them!"

Roger said, "I thought you said there was nobody available!"


Good story. I'm gonna use that one if necessary!

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The actual # of incidents where someone has shot and killed a burglar is really small. A quick Google search will easily confirm it....

So, the likelyhood that you "actually know a few people that have shot & killed burglars" is pretty far fetched. In fact, I'll call it total BS.

Actually, I think your a troll.

Ya think?
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"...so, the likelyhood that you actually know someone who killed a burglar is far fetched..."

I'm not trolling and I actually do know someone who killed a burglar. He was about 14 at the time and this lowlife broke in while the kid was alone, got sprayed with.22 slugs and bled out. No charges. Interestingly enough later another kid slightly older was at home alone and someone tried to break in through a window and got shot. The cops were making noises about prosecuting this kid and there was a public uproar and sanity set in, no charges. Also, there are reports in the local news media about homeowners defending themselves fairly often, unfortunately. Make one concerned about their own safety.

Societies in times past didn't have the money or the inclination to build large prisons to store criminals in so they relied on physical punishments, like whippings, or executions for relatively minor crimes. In the book "Les Miserables" the French author referred to someone in France being executed for stealing a loaf of bread. Another common punishment was transportation to a colony. A fair number of our US ancestors came here because they were invited to leave, forcefully. Australia was started as a penal colony. During frontier days in the Eastern US criminals were often banished from the area and pushed further West. There's nothing new about having a criminal class, what's new is treating them with kid gloves.

KEH
 

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I might not have shot anyone, but the truck would have been marked by having quite a few bullet holes in it. That makes it easier to identify around town. It also lets them know the owner of the house is a crazy guy with a gun. Things are going to get worse with the Christmas Season upon us. More and more thieves will be targeting houses and what's under the tree. That would be a good time to wrap boxes with bricks in them and hide the real presents somewhere else.
 

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The actual # of incidents where someone has shot and killed a burglar is really small. A quick Google search will easily confirm it....

So, the likelyhood that you "actually know a few people that have shot & killed burglars" is pretty far fetched. In fact, I'll call it total BS.

Actually, I think your a troll.

You don't know who I know, and I really don't care if you think I'm a troll because I'm not and I am not worried about what another man thinks.

this all happened in Sacramento, my coworkers grandpa killed an intruder that broke into his house, and a vietnam vet that I know killed a burglar with his. 44 back in the 80's.

South Sacramento is one of the worst areas in Northern California and there is shootings here at least once a week, Ask any deputy sheriff or police officer that works in Sac and they will tell you about the level of shootings here.
 
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My vote would be to shoot them. And like my buddy the attorney says, make 'em dead so there is only one side of the story....they won't be testifying.
 
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It is getting to be bad just about everywhere.

We live in a really nice neighbor hood, mostly older couples. Right around the end of spring and the start of summer we had a few cars gone through. They didn't take much just some change and stuff like that. They actually moved my neighbors laptop to look around his truck but didn't take it. Well fast forward 2 months he was inside watching tv and he hears his garage door go up and his dogs run to the door. He ran to the door and heard someone going through his stuff. He ran and got his gun and as he opened the garage door the person was running off and the garage door was closing behind him. Turns out they must have programed some remotes the first time around and came back later looking for a payday. They did it to a few other houses that same night.

A few subdivisions over his bosses son lives and he is a cop. Someone broke into his patrol car and took his shotgun out of the trunk that he forgot to take inside. A few weeks later there was a traffic stop made some 40 miles away. The three people were acting strung out so they got searched. Turns out the were the ones to break into the cops car and take his gun and they had videos on their phones showing them shooting it and bragging about it. They were heroin junkies. They said they are starting to come out to our area because everyone is more trusting and it is easy pickings.
 

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The actual # of incidents where someone has shot and killed a burglar is really small. A quick Google search will easily confirm it....

So, the likelyhood that you "actually know a few people that have shot & killed burglars" is pretty far fetched. In fact, I'll call it total BS.

Actually, I think your a troll.

Killed yes there may be relatively few, but simply shot no....;). What's the difference, aside from poor shooting skills?

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b_dub

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The actual # of incidents where someone has shot and killed a burglar is really small. A quick Google search will easily confirm it....

So, the likelyhood that you "actually know a few people that have shot & killed burglars" is pretty far fetched. In fact, I'll call it total BS.

Actually, I think your a troll.
I don't know about him but I do actually know someone who shot and killed a burglar. I used to work with a guy who's wife shot a man that was breaking into their house while she was pregnant and home alone. They lived in subsidized housing at the time and it was very, very rough. The 2 guys were beating on her door and one was using a pry bar to get the door open. She was yelling at them to stop or she would shoot. As they got the door open she let the 12 gauge slug go and it went right through the metal door 6" over from the knob and right through the guys stomach. Police came and took her away to protect her and they escorted them back to clean out the house and get out of there. No charges were filed.
 

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So how many Tweekers can the average mine shaft vent hold?

Sorry, I just like math problems.

So if two Thieving Tweekers are running/traveling at the same speed, one behind the other, and a 240 grain FMJ 44Mag approaches the opposite direction, how many IQ points will the first tweeker loose compared to the second tweeker?

lol up in northern nevada we have plenty of abandoned mineshafts.....:lol_hitti
 

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It was obvious to me since I live in SoCal. It's illegal to discharge a firearm in the city or county even if you are protecting yourself or your property. That's just the way the cops work around here.

It's a hell of a lot easier to lose the wire and have to fix the door than to lose your gun and pay the attorney's fees. Just his gun (if he has one) will cost more than the damage. You shoot one around here and you will never see it again.

This is the way in most of the highly populated areas of the country. You cowboys that hunt on your own property are only the majority in very rural areas. You won't make it in the city.

Why do we live here? Well, we used to make good money in the city. Easily 40 an hour for being in the trades. I don't hear much 40/hr in the Midwest plains.

California is a god forsaken hell hole, that's why I left. here you go to the gas station and you can talk to the guy on the other side of the pump and have a polite conversation without the other guy thinking your gonna rob him.
The cost of living is lower here than So-Cal so i don't need to make 40$ an hour to make it. less than half of that and we end up with a little extra at the end of the month. My half acre, 1500sq ft home mortgage is less than a grand a month. You cant even do that in Palmdale anymore let alone down there where you live.
The City is a cesspool people drive like a$$holes, could care less about the person next to them and would likely not hold a door open for another person.
If you like the "peoples republic of California" you can have it. You can have the limits to your freedom to defend yourself. you can have the congestion, you can have the abundance of loser swine that a city attracts. You can have it all Zeke. And you can ridicule those of us who live away from big cities as redneck hicks, fine. but your just part of the collective reasons why a good chunk of us choose to live away from the cities.
More power to ya if you love living in a city Zeke. not all of us want to live like you do
 

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The problem across the country seems to be that the "takers" among us have been emboldened by the inaction of police and most citizens to their brazen behavior. Couple this with cheap drugs and the continued drilling in their heads that they are "victims" of a cruel rich vs. poor society and you have the situation that most of us find ourselves in. Things will only get worse from here. People will blame it on the economy, but it is a morality and force issue.

The "takers" are controlling the message, while we sit back and complain to people who are sympathetic to our pleas.
Perhaps if we didn't grumble quietly but spoke up loudly in defiance when the talking heads made 1,001 excuses for their behavior. Or, maybe we could make ourselves a huge nuisance to any DA that tries to prosecute someone defending themselves, their family, or their property.

My once nice neighborhood is rapidly descending into third world status, complete with crime and poverty. There seems nothing that I can do but move and wait for the process to begin anew. But move where? I read about people all over the country, many in rural areas that you would think are Mayberry like in every way, that are wondering what happened to their little slice of heaven.

I don't have an answer for the big problem of the degredation of our country to to the immoral and corrupt among us, but I have a shovel. If anyone needs help digging a hole, PM me.
 

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The problem across the country seems to be that the "takers" among us have been emboldened by the inaction of police and most citizens to their brazen behavior. Couple this with cheap drugs and the continued drilling in their heads that they are "victims" of a cruel rich vs. poor society and you have the situation that most of us find ourselves in. Things will only get worse from here. People will blame it on the economy, but it is a morality and force issue.

The "takers" are controlling the message, while we sit back and complain to people who are sympathetic to our pleas.
Perhaps if we didn't grumble quietly but spoke up loudly in defiance when the talking heads made 1,001 excuses for their behavior. Or, maybe we could make ourselves a huge nuisance to any DA that tries to prosecute someone defending themselves, their family, or their property.

My once nice neighborhood is rapidly descending into third world status, complete with crime and poverty. There seems nothing that I can do but move and wait for the process to begin anew. But move where? I read about people all over the country, many in rural areas that you would think are Mayberry like in every way, that are wondering what happened to their little slice of heaven.

I don't have an answer for the big problem of the degredation of our country to to the immoral and corrupt among us, but I have a shovel. If anyone needs help digging a hole, PM me.

Well put.:thumbup:
 

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Here in the oil fields the average is $22/hr (without a H.S. diploma), of course you wont find any houses over $125k (thats the really big ones, I paid $65k for my 2500 sq.ft. brick home), you also wont find any car insurance thats more than about $150/month (thats what my daughter paid at 22 for 2 4wd trucks full coverage), you wont find a lot of things here, crime, hate, predjudice, wal-mart (it's 110 miles to the nearest Wal-mart).

Even McDonalds here pays $12.50/hr and on that you can support a family of 4 and a house, hotel maids make $10/hr sometimes undocumented.

No, not a lot of $40/hr jobs, unless you have a minimal education in the trades, welders, fitters, electricians, diesel service, flow systems specialists, all well over $150k/year, geologists, metalurgists, environmental specialists, if you earned that degree (and I dont mean a ba), then you cant find a job under $250/yr.

It's not all sunshine and pool parties I'm afraid, we work, long days, hard hours, and have 9 months of winter to contend with, this is advanced citizenship here, you have to want it and earn it. Nine months of winter and average wind speeds in the 30mph range also mean no emission checks, no one cares, we lisence ATVs for street use here, in fact it's required if you own one, most people do, if you have a old ford with a chevy engine, no muffler, the glass is out, doors are at home, as long as the VIN matches the title you get plates, as long as the lights all work you dont get pulled over, thats our safety inspection.

Yes, you have to give up the crime, poverty, filth and shopping of the city, and you wont have as many friends to hang with (we all have jobs here). But not everywhere is like California (no matter how hard you try).

My kinda place.
 
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1967marti

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ddurango i agree 100%... When i moved into my neighborhood about 2 years ago it was a quiet, retirement focused area. But since then my next-door neighbor allowed his sister-in-laws deadbeat boyfriend to move in and across the street the old couple moved out to go to a assisted care community and her crack-head daughter and boyfriend (plus 3 kids) moved in. It's easy to say move away from California or your now crappy neighborhood but i paid (am paying) over XXXk for a house here, i should not have to move because garbage like that are weeding their way into our lives.
I greatly suspect that it’s the "dead-beat BF" from next door that tipped off my robbers as I’ve seen him leering at my toys when they are pulled out of the garage for maintenance or a wash and there is no view of my garage except from my backyard or my next door neighbors. I will be having words with him next time i see him smoking up in the backyard.
 

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It was obvious to me since I live in SoCal. It's illegal to discharge a firearm in the city or county even if you are protecting yourself or your property. That's just the way the cops work around here.

It's a hell of a lot easier to lose the wire and have to fix the door than to lose your gun and pay the attorney's fees. Just his gun (if he has one) will cost more than the damage. You shoot one around here and you will never see it again.

This is the way in most of the highly populated areas of the country. You cowboys that hunt on your own property are only the majority in very rural areas. You won't make it in the city.

Why do we live here? Well, we used to make good money in the city. Easily 40 an hour for being in the trades. I don't hear much 40/hr in the Midwest plains.

So, you "Used" to have $40 an hour jobs but dont anymore? I am curious if you NEED to make that kinda money or even close to it to have a nice life?
I think you can buy a farm around here for what a POS house goes for in many parts of Cali, and you can drive to Indy to go to work.... And dont get me started on Iowa or other "Flyover" states, America still exists for now outside of the liberal dead zones....but I dont see it in lasting another generation.
 

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You could always follow this guys method....

HOW TO CALL THE POLICE
Roger Gresse, an elderly man, from Zanesville, OH, was going up to bed, when his wife told him that he'd left the light on in the garden shed. Roger opened the back door to go turn off the light, but saw that there were people in the shed stealing things.

He phoned the police, who asked, "Is someone in your house?"

He said "No," but some people are breaking into my garden shed and stealing from me."

Then the police dispatcher said. "All patrols are busy. You should lock your doors and an officer will be along when one is available."

Roger said, "Okay."

He hung up the phone and counted to 30.

Then he phoned the police again.

"Hello, I just called you a few seconds ago because there were people stealing things from my shed. Well, you don't have to worry about them now because I just shot them," and he hung up.

Within five minutes, six police cars, a SWAT team, a helicopter, two fire trucks, a paramedic, and an ambulance showed up at the Gresse residence, and caught the burglars red-handed.

One of the policemen said to Roger, "I thought you said that you'd shot them!"

Roger said, "I thought you said there was nobody available!"

...so what happened next was probably Roger was arrested for making a false report to the Police.
 

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So, you "Used" to have $40 an hour jobs but dont anymore? I am curious if you NEED to make that kinda money or even close to it to have a nice life?
I think you can buy a farm around here for what a POS house goes for in many parts of Cali, and you can drive to Indy to go to work.... And dont get me started on Iowa or other "Flyover" states, America still exists for now outside of the liberal dead zones....but I dont see it in lasting another generation.

You can always move to Ohio. We have castle law which means you can shoot to protect yourself in your home with no charges. Hey we also have CCW too!

So the solution for everything wrong here is to move out of Cali? I lived in KS for three years, F that! I couldn't move back fast enough. Sure the houses cost around 1/3 what they do here but some of us like to be able to drive TO the snow when we want and not have it dumped on us year after year not to mention the ice storms and ****. I'm just saying to each his or her own but this was about tweakers and the stupid stuff they do, not the hate Cali then move to ** state thread.
 
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