so; how much is hydro where you live??

[nosnerd]

here: ottawa (eastern ontario)

peak: .11 kw/h

midpeak: .08 kw/h

off peak: .06 kw/h rounded average is 8.5 cents kw/h depending on usage of course....

slightly less expensive from spring to autumn>


curious to compare in North America (aussies can post too lol)

 

[Steevo]

what is "hydro"?

It looks like you are asking about electric service . . .

 

[Charles (in GA)]

You are cheap compared to me.

Hydro (electricity to us south of the 49th) varies considerably. Mine, including all taxes generally runs about thirteen cents per Kwh.

Here in GA, we have a combination of Hydro power, Coal fired, and Nuclear power.

Oct 10 to Nov 6 bill for the shop was 109 Kwh used, $22.68 total for the bill, which is .207 per Kwh.

For the house (both are residential rate) I used 824 Kwh, $94.23 total for the bill, which is .114 Kwh.

The shop bill's per Kwh rate is so high because of the low consumption. The base bill charge is about $14 with Kwh charges over that, plus sales tax, environmental compliance cost fee, nuclear construction cost recovery, and municipal franchise fee, all of which vary with the Kwh amount.

The more I consume, the more the base charge gets watered down by the larger Kwh amount.

Its virtually impossible to determine what Southern Company/Georgia Power charge for a Kwh, as it is buried in pages and pages of charts and tables of state regulatory documents of the Public Service Commission. The real cost however is simply your total bill divided by your total Kwh consumed.

Charles

 

[Tjc]

clicked this and thought of something else......

 

[Angelfire]

Hydro? Hell, we don't have any water here so there's no hydro. Lots of solar and wind potential though!

 

[purplezr2]

.07 kw/h typically made by coal.

 

[matt151617]

Hydroelectric power. Lots of Canada gets its power from dams along the St. Lawrence River.

I'm pretty close to some serious hydroelectric dams, but here in the US our power comes from lots of sources. My last bill here labeled the power source as: coal 5%, natural gas 28%, nuclear 37%, hydro 25%, wind 3%, and the remaining 2% solar, oil, solid waste, and biomass.

When factoring surcharges, fees, etc, I'm paying $.11/kwh. At night it's 8/10 of a cent cheaper per kwh.

 

[Jrican]

lol, 'Hydro' is slang for weed in the outback.

 

[nosnerd]

lol...


let me rephrase: how much does electricity cost in your neck of the woods?

 

[slip knot]

looking at my bill now. 1168 KWH usage. $10 for the yard light and the grand total of 111.38 TT&L. .07 for power,.02 for distribution the rest is taxes and fees.

 

[ishiboo]

.12 kwh here for "rural", my rental properties are at .11. $9 or so fixed per meter.

 

[jkeyser14]

I just got the best rate I've seen for electricity in the last 10 years here in MD. $.075 kwh before taxes/charges. Buying 100% wind power.

 

[Rickcnc]

South Western Ontario
11.8 cents Peak
9.9 cents mid peak
6.3 cents off peak

+ delivery (Basically 6.8 cents per KWH)
+ Regulatory Charge (Approx 10% of the above total)
+Debt retirement charge ( Approx $8 Month)
+HST (13% of the above totals)
- 10% Ontario Clean Energy Benefit

or... on average 16 cents per KWH

 

[where2]

$0.105/kWh

Trying to get the permit engineering to keep the solar panels on the roof at 150mph. (South Florida wind codes). Then I'll be farming sunshine and stuffing it into the grid!

 

[awdblazer]

6 cents

 

[nato]

$30 an eighth...


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sorry, lol

 

[darcyh]

here: ottawa (eastern ontario)

peak: .11 kw/h

midpeak: .08 kw/h

off peak: .06 kw/h rounded average is 8.5 cents kw/h depending on usage of course....

slightly less expensive from spring to autumn>


curious to compare in North America (aussies can post too lol)

Hello:

Don't forget the extra charges; delivery charge and Ontario Hydro debt charge which effectively doubles the figures above. There is no off peak discount for the delivery and debt charge. I figure on average ~ 15 cents a kilowatt hour. This includes the 13 % HST (harmonized sales tax) that is added to every bill.

FWIW, yesterday I drove by a wind farm with 16 wind turbines, even though it was a windy day none of them were spinning. I did not see any maintenance vehicles in the area. Perhaps they were shut down because the juice they should have been making was not needed?

The reason we call it 'hydro' is for many years the majority of electricity was generated at places like Niagara Falls, hence the term. It's really a short form of saying hydro-electric generation.

Regards,

Dave

 

[matt151617]

FWIW, yesterday I drove by a wind farm with 16 wind turbines, even though it was a windy day none of them were spinning. I did not see any maintenance vehicles in the area. Perhaps they were shut down because the juice they should have been making was not needed?

They may have been put up recently. The towers go up quickly but it takes quite awhile to bury the lines and connect them to the grid. Until they are finally connected, they're locked so they can't spin.

They put up a few hundred windmills here, all over the place, but all of the power goes to New York City.

 

[madosta]

Ha. Here in Michigan, my electricity is about $0.18/kw/h.

Vendor lock BS.

 

[benz_dr]

If you watched "holmes on homes", you would know what hydro is. Mine is .06056 cents/kwh

 

[sickjuice]

6.94 cents per kwh
$6.85 basic charge for under 200A

 

[Charles (in GA)]

If you are not taking your total bill $$$ and dividing it by the Kwh consumed, you are not presenting a good picture of what you actually pay for a Kwh of power. Yes, it varies from month to month with consumption, but just saying you pay .06 or .18 per Kwh without qualifying it by showing the base charge, taxes, fees, etc, is not telling anyone anything.

Its kinda like telling me the price of your gasoline without including the sales tax, road use taxes, etc in it.

Charles

 

[Norcal]

From a recent bill:

Pacific Gas & Electric.

204.00000 Kwh @ $0.12845
101-130% of Baseline 61.20000 Kwh @ $0.14602
131-200% of Baseline 8.50000 Kwh @ $0.29561

North Arkansas Electric Cooperative has /had some real decent rates.

All electric homes were 5 cents a KWH in winter & 9 cents a KWH in summer.

 

[jvitez]

7.5 cents/kWh including taxes, plus $6.85 monthly charge or $13.70 if service is over 200 amps.

 

[dwp99]

.06275 per kwh for the first 1000 kwh. Then .07366 per kwh over 1000 kwh. Then we have to add on the fuel charge of .0486 for the first 1000 kwh and .0586 per kwh over 1000kwh. Then there's the gross receipts tax $2.47 the Municipal Franchise Fee of $6.07 and the Municipal Utility Tax of $7.09 So my bill for 819kwh for the month of November was $112.08 or .1368 per kwh.

 

[Rickcnc]

7.5 cents/kWh including taxes, plus $6.85 monthly charge or $13.70 if service is over 200 amps.

Nice... I wonder if we can run a wire from your house to mine in Ontario

 

[Highbeam]

I'm with charles, if you can't report your total bill divided by your total kwh for the period then the data point is bogus.

My cost is 10 cents per kwh, almost exactly. 112$ for 1120 kwh. We have no fancy off peak rate or anything like that and the power likely did come from mostly hydroelectric projects on the columbia river.

 

[benz_dr]

I don't agree. My meter charge is $18/mo. If I use 1 kwh, my rate is $18.07/kwh. If I use 10,000 kwh, my kwh is .075 cents/kwh. I agree with the taxes added so my amended rate is .0736 cents/kwh including county and state taxes, fuel cost adj., debt cost adj. But I belong to a coop and receive a small refund check every year.

 

[Charles (in GA)]

I don't agree. My meter charge is $18/mo. If I use 1 kwh, my rate is $18.07/kwh. If I use 10,000 kwh, my kwh is .075 cents/kwh. I agree with the taxes added so my amended rate is .0736 cents/kwh including county and state taxes, fuel cost adj., debt cost adj. But I belong to a coop and receive a small refund check every year.

That is why I pointed out the difference in my shop and house cents per Kwh even though they are the same residential rate. The fixed charge is there, no matter what, and that is part of what you pay. My POCO doesn't even break it down on the bill any longer, I have no idea what the exact fixed charge is, I think it is about $14 from what I recall when it was on the bill years ago, but they no longer show it, they just show a subtotal for the power/service and break out the taxes and fee.

They don't want you to know what you pay them, but they do want you to know what you pay the government.

Charles

 

[KPSquared]

Hydroelectric power. Lots of Canada gets its power from dams along the St. Lawrence river

Lots of "Eastern Canada". . .no one out here gets anything from the St. Lawrence. . .

Most electricity here in Alberta is coming from burnt coal and a bit of hydro.

.086/kWh right now.

I'll check my bill tonight and get an actual number after delivery charges, taxes, etc.

 

[BC1]

Ha! You're all lucky, in San Diego county it varies from 14 to 31 cents depending on how much and when you use.

 

[Steevo]

My bill says my rate is .078 per KWH, but if you divide the total cost after fees, etc., it comes out to .099 per KWH (US $)

 

[KPSquared]

Alrighty then. . . I did the math. . .

Base rate - $0.08/kWh

After all the charges, taxes, etc my last bill was $148.10 for 898kWh. . .

That makes my grand total $0.165/kWh. . . So my cost doubles. Damn.

Ok guys. . . lets make this even. Go find your last bill. Divide the total you had to pay by the kWh you used. That's the only way this thread means anything!

 

[Charles (in GA)]

My bill says my rate is .078 per KWH, but if you divide the total cost after fees, etc., it comes out to .099 per KWH (US $)

You are quite lucky to have such cheap fees and taxes. That is a very low average Kwh rate.

Alrighty then. . . I did the math. . .

Base rate - $0.08/kWh

After all the charges, taxes, etc my last bill was $148.10 for 898kWh. . .

That makes my grand total $0.165/kWh. . . So my cost doubles. Damn.

Ok guys. . . lets make this even. Go find your last bill. Divide the total you had to pay by the kWh you used. That's the only way this thread means anything!

I suspect that most people will find that your experience is more the norm, the average rate is about double the published rate. Taxes and fees kill you on power.

Charles

 

[Falcon67]

13.1 here on the co-op. Would be cheaper if we could hook up with AEP.

 

[horizontallyopposed]

South Western Ontario
11.8 cents Peak
9.9 cents mid peak
6.3 cents off peak

+ delivery (Basically 6.8 cents per KWH)
+ Regulatory Charge (Approx 10% of the above total)
+Debt retirement charge ( Approx $8 Month)
+HST (13% of the above totals)
- 10% Ontario Clean Energy Benefit

or... on average 16 cents per KWH

This is the part that chews my ***. Almost doesn't matter what the "per kWh rate" is here (I think I am 6 cents per kWh) it's all the "F-U" charges that come along with it.

Cheers,
Keith

 

[tfi racing]

This is the part that chews my ***. Almost doesn't matter what the "per kWh rate" is here (I think I am 6 cents per kWh) it's all the "F-U" charges that come along with it.

Cheers,
Keith

Feel free to post what the "basic" charges are for the City of Calgary,Enmax and Atco before consumption are.Many people would on this board would be horrified how badly you are getting bent over on utility fees and taxes there,I had no idea how bad it was until I left there.For example.IFIRC,my last natural gas bill in Alberta(2007) was $70 or so in fees BEFORE I paid for any actual gas used.

 

[KPSquared]

Feel free to post what the "basic" charges are for the City of Calgary,Enmax and Atco before consumption are.Many people would on this board would be horrified how badly you are getting bent over on utility fees and taxes there,I had no idea how bad it was until I left there.For example.IFIRC,my last natural gas bill in Alberta(2007) was $70 or so in fees BEFORE I paid for any actual gas used.

I'll take you up on that offer. . .

Energy Charge ...898.000 kWh @ $ 0.0800000 / kWh ... $ 71.84 *

Administration Charge... $ 6.38*

Delivery Charges - FORTIS Alberta

Distribution Charge... $ 36.12*

Transmission Charge ...$ 18.93 *

Balancing Pool Allocation...$ 5.04 * CR

Rate Riders ... $ 11.88 *

Local Access Fee ...$ 0.94 *

Summary...$ 141.05

Add the GST of 5% and you have a grand total of $148.10

I have no idea what half of those charges are. . .

 

[jawnd393]

We don't call it "hydro". It's from fossil fuels, but we don't call it "fossil" either.
Last bill 1341 kw used
for Energy use .0975167/kw
Including $11 monthly customer charge and 7% sales tax. .113117/kw

 

[Jarcese]

Hello:

Don't forget the extra charges; delivery charge and Ontario Hydro debt charge which effectively doubles the figures above. There is no off peak discount for the delivery and debt charge. I figure on average ~ 15 cents a kilowatt hour. This includes the 13 % HST (harmonized sales tax) that is added to every bill.

FWIW, yesterday I drove by a wind farm with 16 wind turbines, even though it was a windy day none of them were spinning. I did not see any maintenance vehicles in the area. Perhaps they were shut down because the juice they should have been making was not needed?

The reason we call it 'hydro' is for many years the majority of electricity was generated at places like Niagara Falls, hence the term. It's really a short form of saying hydro-electric generation.

Regards,

Dave

I was told by a guy who was in charge building a single windmill that they don't want them spinning on really windy days 'cause they would rather lose some generation than break a windmill. He said they turn them sideways to the wind if the wind is too high. Don't know if that's true or not, but there are a bunch of windmills around here that aren't spinning on windy days that I know are generating in regular winds. They built the windmill to feed a shopping/apartment center and the money fell through after they built the windmill, but it still generates electricity.