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With out naming any names probably not hard to figure out though ;) which compressor would you choose?

I have assessed that my needs as a hobbyist would likely not exceed 10CFM @ 90 PSI. Given that - which would you choose?

60 gallon single stage 18CFM @ 90PSi 135PSI max

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60 gallon two stage 15.8CFM @ 90PSI 175PSI max

Again without thought about whether Champion is better than Quincy or CH better than Sanborn.... purely on the need and the published stats. Which do you choose... and why?
 
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the two stage would be my choice

Why? Wouldn't the higher CFM make up for the increased (compressed) air storage?

I have read as much as I can about two stage - vs single and haven't found any particularly compelling advantage unless you actually need higher PSI. I can't imagine why I would ever need 175PSI
 

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I'd rather have my tank @ 150psi comfortably, than 135psi and that's all the pump can do. My compressor at work cuts on @ 110, and a 25psi drop isn't a lot of use out of a 60gal tank. I do believe 2 stage is more efficient, as well.
 

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Two stage is more efficient, that said I would pick the one with the lower pump RPM, which is very likely to be the two stage.
 
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The 2 stage is more effecient. Thats the way I would go.

More efficient - how? It will actually take longer to fill the tank so it probably uses slightly more electricity.

I'm actually leaning towards the 2 stage - only because there seems some commonality of thought but no one has offered any real rationale for the two stage?

Just trying to learn.

Single stage pumps more air, fills a tank faster. Both of those seem like solid reasons for the single stage - since I don't think I would ever need 175PSI
 

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What are the rpm for each? If 3450, expect a loud compressor.
 

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A single stage compressor takes ambient air pressure to specified pressure of the output of the compressor in one pass of the compressor. Where on a 2 stage, uses 2 cylinders to get to pressure, where one cyl is low stage, and the other is high stage. The 2 stage pumps up to pressure faster, where it moves more air at the higher pressures.
But also not all 2 cyl compressors are 2 stage, some use 2 or 3 cylinders for a single stage.
 

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More efficient - how? It will actually take longer to fill the tank so it probably uses slightly more electricity.

I'm actually leaning towards the 2 stage - only because there seems some commonality of thought but no one has offered any real rationale for the two stage?

Just trying to learn.

Single stage pumps more air, fills a tank faster. Both of those seem like solid reasons for the single stage - since I don't think I would ever need 175PSI

Where's the specs for CFM above 90psi? The 2-stage might be down a whole 2.2CFM @ 90, but probably has higher output than the single stage at higher pressures... that's where the "more efficiency" comes in.

Tank pressure doesn't need to have anything to do with line pressure, but if you've got 50% higher tank pressure (just as an example, not that it necessarily will) then you've got 50% more air in the tank. That's more time between the compressor kicking on... and more quiet time. The 2-stage is probably also running at lower RPMs like other have said, especially if the motor HP is equal. That means quieter running, and longer life.
 

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yes as previously stated by another member, 2 stage is most likely lower RPM which lengthens the life of the compressor. also lower RPM will lengthen oil change durations.

now if its a craftsman two stage compressor with an oilless pump. not worth the time or money to run it. too noisy, low CFM, life cut short by the oilless design
 

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With out naming any names probably not hard to figure out though ;) which compressor would you choose?

I have assessed that my needs as a hobbyist would likely not exceed 10CFM @ 90 PSI. Given that - which would you choose?

60 gallon single stage 18CFM @ 90PSi 135PSI max

or

60 gallon two stage 15.8CFM @ 90PSI 175PSI max

Again without thought about whether Champion is better than Quincy or CH better than Sanborn.... purely on the need and the published stats. Which do you choose... and why?

There's far more too it then these two specs.

Post links to each unit and you might get more useful responses.
 

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CFM is a little confusing in that it is not the tank, but rather the pump that is the CFM spec. The tanks deliver a lot more than the pump can, until the pump comes on, so "burst" CFM is entirely related to tank size AND PRESSURE. (actually related to port size, hose size and fittings, the tank will give the regulator all it can until it has no more.

Since air molecules squeeze closer together at higher pressures, you are able to squeeze more STANDARD CUBIC FEET of air into an 80 gal tank at 175 psi than you are able to squeeze into the same 80 gal tank at 135 psi.

Hopefully, in both cases you have a regulator on the tank or system to give you a working pressure of 100 to 110 psi where most air tools are designed to operate (allowing for some line loss in the hoses, you will probably see the requisite 90 psi at the tool)

Since you get more air (SCF) out of the tank between pump cycles, you have fewer starts on the motor/pump. On my 7.5hp two stage that draws about 33 amps running, I see about 190 amps max during starting. This is, of course, hard on the motor. You want as few starts as possible, since that alone will help (slightly) with power consumption, and with durability.

If you intend to run for hours on end, non stop, at high air consumption levels, you want all the CFM you can get out of the pump. If you are the average shop that is doing the usual stuff with a compressor, even a DA sander or blast cabinet, you stop and take breaks and lulls enough that pump CFM is not as important as getting all you can out of the tank between cycles. This is where the two stage shines.

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There is no way a single lung compressor is doing 18+CFM. NO. FRACKING. WAY.

You really need to go to Eaton Compressor and read about the compressors they have, they explain it all.

Your compressor is the last thing you look at. You need (in order of importance):

1. 5 to 7 HP 30-50 AMP thermal protected 220V motor that does 1750 RPM. Double belt.

Anything less than that and your motor simply can't turn a compressor large enough to get anywhere over 10CFM.

2. Largest receiver you can fit. Your tools till dictate HOW BIG. Going to paint? Get a big un. Just want to drill/impact wrench/air ratchet 60 will do. Grinders/polishers PAINTING get a bigger one.

3. Never get less than 2 cylinders, splash oil lube, inter-cooled (if possible).

I can't think of any shop tool that needs more than 90PSI to run. So 175PSI is just a marketing ploy to make you think you are getting more CFM (you are not) or longer run times (maybe, how big is your receiver?).

Bottom line, you will not be happy with whatever you pick because you are looking at a very small part of the puzzle.
 
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Cycle times will not hurt a properly sized motor and a compressor with unloading valves. Its when your tiny 2hp motor tries to start up a big compressor that you run into problems. Most 5+HP motors with have thermal overload circuits.

Compressor motors are rated for 100% duty cycle.. so stop/start them all you like. If you think you are cycling to much, you need another receiver, not more PSI.
 
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Cycle times will not hurt a properly sized motor and a compressor with unloading valves. Its when your tiny 2hp motor tries to start up a big compressor that you run into problems. Most 5+HP motors with have thermal overload circuits.

Compressor motors are rated for 100% duty cycle.. so stop/start them all you like. If you think you are cycling to much, you need another receiver, not more PSI.

Might not hurt the motor or the pump, but you're still using extra power every time it starts up.

If you've got 2 60-gallon compressors, set both compressors to cut on at 90 psi, and one to cut off at 120psi, the other to cut off at 180psi, the high-pressure tank has 50% more air molecules in it than the low-pressure tank. No practical difference between that and having a 90-gallon tank @ 120psi.

I like overkill... I'll take another tank, and higher pressure. :p
 

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There is no way a single lung compressor is doing 18+CFM. NO. FRACKING. WAY.

You really need to go to Eaton Compressor and read about the compressors they have, they explain it all.

Your compressor is the last thing you look at. You need (in order of importance):

1. 5 to 7 HP 30-50 AMP thermal protected 220V motor that does 1750 RPM. Double belt.

Anything less than that and your motor simply can't turn a compressor large enough to get anywhere over 10CFM.

2. Largest receiver you can fit. Your tools till dictate HOW BIG. Going to paint? Get a big un. Just want to drill/impact wrench/air ratchet 60 will do. Grinders/polishers PAINTING get a bigger one.

3. Never get less than 2 cylinders, splash oil lube, inter-cooled (if possible).

I can't think of any shop tool that needs more than 90PSI to run. So 175PSI is just a marketing ploy to make you think you are getting more CFM (you are not) or longer run times (maybe, how big is your receiver?).

Bottom line, you will not be happy with whatever you pick because you are looking at a very small part of the puzzle.

To the OP. Please verify the above information before you believe any of it because I disagree with most of it. Go to advanced search and search out compressor and my user name. Then do the same search and use torque1st as the username. Read those threads.

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To the OP. Please verify the above information before you believe any of it because I disagree with most of it. Go to advanced search and search out compressor and my user name. Then do the same search and use torque1st as the username. Read those threads.

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You can disagree all you like. Facts are facts. You can ignore them at your own peril.

What, pray tell, its factually incorrect about the follwing (which is basically what I said)

http://www.eatoncompressor.com/catalog/item/518643/184117.htm

Don't be tricked by air compressor dealers giving you CFM Displacement and you think you are getting the Free Air...and you are really not. For instance, this pump has 18 CFM Displacement. I have seen companies advertise this as "18 CFM @ 125 PSI"--this is not true! Displacement is the bore of the cylinder times the distance in the piston stroke times the RPM at zero pressure, but as you go up in pressure, you will lose efficiency on your pump. The CFM will diminish from 18 to 14 @ 90 PSI. We give you the "Free Air" @ Pressure and the CFM Displacement--NO TRICKS!!! This pump has a maximum PSI of 135. There are companies also advertising this as up to a 7 HP--this is BULL! They are giving you the "Peak" Horsepower when it really takes half the horsepower they advertise to pull it at maximum RPM. By doing this, you have been tricked and think you are getting a 7 HP, but you are really getting a 4.5 HP pump--THE TRUTH! Our name for our HP is the "TRUTH HP". To gauge your motor HP, check the amperage on 220V. It takes 19.5 amps (running amps) to pull this pump @ maximum RPM. However, a 15-amp motor on 220V will pull this pump but not under extreme duty cycles. For extreme duty cycles, I would recommend a 4.5 HP, 19.5 amp or more. Any amperage under this is not big enough. This pump can be slowed down by putting a smaller pulley on your motor and it can be ran with a 3 HP motor pulling 15 amps on 220V (running amps). Please note: DO NOT go by the HP being advertised on most compressors because your motor will not be big enough to pull your pump. This pump will run your DA Sander and many of your air tools in your shop. I have also seen it run sandblasters, but you must size your nozzle on your sandblaster to the CFM Free Air of this pump. If you size your nozzle too big, you will be over the CFM the pump puts out and it will not keep up.
 
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There's far more too it then these two specs.

Post links to each unit and you might get more useful responses.

I really don't think there is more too it? Price is +- $100 so if we accept for discussion the stated values from the manufacturer then everything else becomes intangibles. Warranty, noise, durability, color are all subjective.

I'm thinking two stage unless anyone has an argument for the higher cfm from the single stage pump? My rationale for the two stage is that at higher psi there is more stored air and the pump will kick in at a higher psi so any potential tool will not be briefly starved for air flow.
 

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at those specs, those motor will spin about 3500RPM from big-box-stores. To many GJ members, a good compressor will have 2 stage with motor spinning at 1700RPM

It's hard to find decent compressor these days w/o paying the big bucks to Champion, Saylor, or Quincy.
 

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I'd highly recommend a 2-stage. After the old craftsman single stage compressor died, I replaced it with the black craftsman 2 stage professional 25 gallon horizontal compressor. Wow, what a difference - it's so much quieter you can actually talk when it's running instead of covering your ears. Seriously it's that big of a difference. Great price on them if you can still find them in sears outlet website. They were popping up all over the place since they are being phased out. Only drawback is that it needs a really good power line going to it or it will pop the circuit. I've got an outlet right under the sub-panel, and it does fine. If I plug it into another outlet on the other side of the garage, it will pop the circuit. It also slowly leaks down very slowly, the leak is right at the regulator. Just need to get a few minutes to re-do that fitting.
Hope this helps!
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The biggest problem is the "18" cfm compressor you have chosen is a POS, lots and lots of negative reviews all over the interwebs.
 

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You can disagree all you like. Facts are facts. You can ignore them at your own peril.

What, pray tell, its factually incorrect about the follwing (which is basically what I said)

http://www.eatoncompressor.com/catalog/item/518643/184117.htm

Don't be tricked by air compressor dealers giving you CFM Displacement and you think you are getting the Free Air...and you are really not. For instance, this pump has 18 CFM Displacement. I have seen companies advertise this as "18 CFM @ 125 PSI"--this is not true! Displacement is the bore of the cylinder times the distance in the piston stroke times the RPM at zero pressure, but as you go up in pressure, you will lose efficiency on your pump. The CFM will diminish from 18 to 14 @ 90 PSI. We give you the "Free Air" @ Pressure and the CFM Displacement--NO TRICKS!!! This pump has a maximum PSI of 135. There are companies also advertising this as up to a 7 HP--this is BULL! They are giving you the "Peak" Horsepower when it really takes half the horsepower they advertise to pull it at maximum RPM. By doing this, you have been tricked and think you are getting a 7 HP, but you are really getting a 4.5 HP pump--THE TRUTH! Our name for our HP is the "TRUTH HP". To gauge your motor HP, check the amperage on 220V. It takes 19.5 amps (running amps) to pull this pump @ maximum RPM. However, a 15-amp motor on 220V will pull this pump but not under extreme duty cycles. For extreme duty cycles, I would recommend a 4.5 HP, 19.5 amp or more. Any amperage under this is not big enough. This pump can be slowed down by putting a smaller pulley on your motor and it can be ran with a 3 HP motor pulling 15 amps on 220V (running amps). Please note: DO NOT go by the HP being advertised on most compressors because your motor will not be big enough to pull your pump. This pump will run your DA Sander and many of your air tools in your shop. I have also seen it run sandblasters, but you must size your nozzle on your sandblaster to the CFM Free Air of this pump. If you size your nozzle too big, you will be over the CFM the pump puts out and it will not keep up.
I read thru that a couple weeks ago. That is the biggest bunch of crud I have read in a long time. They are 10 years too late on the whole CFM/HP thing. No legit compressor maker these days rates their compressors the way Eaton is inferring they do.
 

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I'd highly recommend a 2-stage. After the old craftsman single stage compressor died, I replaced it with the black craftsman 2 stage professional 25 gallon horizontal compressor. Wow, what a difference - it's so much quieter you can actually talk when it's running instead of covering your ears. Seriously it's that big of a difference. Great price on them if you can still find them in sears outlet website. They were popping up all over the place since they are being phased out. Only drawback is that it needs a really good power line going to it or it will pop the circuit. I've got an outlet right under the sub-panel, and it does fine. If I plug it into another outlet on the other side of the garage, it will pop the circuit. It also slowly leaks down very slowly, the leak is right at the regulator. Just need to get a few minutes to re-do that fitting.
Hope this helps!
--Bob
Bob I have the same compressor. It is not a 2-stage. It is a twin cylinder. Big difference.

It's an excellent compressor though, I paid retail a couple years ago for it (roughly $350) and still think I got a good value. Extremely quiet, roughly 78 db from 5 feet away, pump runs at under 700 RPM. I put a synthetic oil in it, hopefully it will last me a long time.
 
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at those specs, those motor will spin about 3500RPM from big-box-stores. To many GJ members, a good compressor will have 2 stage with motor spinning at 1700RPM

It's hard to find decent compressor these days w/o paying the big bucks to Champion, Saylor, or Quincy.

That's why I wanted to separate the debate about who makes good or bad compressor. While it is a factor it is highly subjective. So, based purely on the stated statistics, consensus says two stage.

Curiously, no one has established any real reason...I suspect moat actually bought a two stage so that naturally makes it better.
 

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Curiously, no one has established any real reason...I suspect moat actually bought a two stage so that naturally makes it better.

Compressor efficiency is the ratio of CFM/PSI output vs. shaft horsepower input. A two stage compressor makes better use of the input horsepower because the air can be cooled between stages. It's a thermodynamic thing.
 

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Having been a compressor tech - the only reason to prefer a two-stage is if you need the higher pressure. A properly sized single stage will power all common 90 psi air tools without a problem and given the same HP they can push more volume which can be good for media blasting, etc.

The reason most "prefer" the two stage machines is simply because two stage compressors are generally more expensive, larger, and therefore of somewhat better quality in the "home-owner" price bracket. Quincy makes single stage QR's such as the 240 and the 310 that are great machines.

It's all about how much pressure you want.

Given the choices I would not spend a dime on anything smaller than an 80 gallon compressor. Compressed air is a utility - like electricity and water. It is worth the investment in a decent machine so you don't have to keep replacing it every few years. The budget minded "hobbyist" crowd should be looking for used quality machines. Buying new Chinese junk compressors isn't doing anyone a favor except the oppressive Chinese government and heartless corporations that routinely take a huge **** on American workers and don't really give a flying **** about you as a customer. They have thousands of morons to buy their products.

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. Buying new Chinese junk compressors isn't doing anyone a favor except the oppressive Chinese government and heartless corporations that routinely take a huge **** on American workers and don't really give a flying **** about you as a customer. They have thousands of morons to buy their products.

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I think you're being kind of hard on the Capitalist's. They aren't in business to employ people so much but they are to make money. I have plenty American made junk too. I prefer to buy something made by my neighbors but that world don't exist anymore. Lots of reasons but we shouldn't turn blind to the equally greedy labor unions and generally poor government taxation policies
 

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Two Stage Air Compressor http://www.billpentz.com/Woodworking/Aircompressor/temp.cfm

A two-stage compressor is designed to permit continuous running without the heat problems from a single stage unit. Two stage compressors use multiple cylinders with the first one or two cylinders taking in atmospheric air and compressing it to about 1/3 the delivery pressure. That partially compressed air then passes through the inter-cooler (the finned tube behind the pump flywheel that has cooling vanes to act as a fan) to be air-cooled and into the second stage where it's compressed by a final cylinder to the delivery pressure. Most two-stage compressors use two cylinder units arranged in a V configuration or mounted side by side. In three cylinder designs the low-pressure cylinders are only slightly larger than the high-pressure cylinder and often arranged in a W configuration. For two stage compressors, the first stage cylinder heads will have a separate pressure relief valve.

The result is two stage compressor pumps move 20 to 30% more CFM per motor HP thanks to the heat of compression dissipated by the inter-cooler installed between the low pressure and high pressure cylinders. Add up the power savings over the 15 to 20 year working life of a two-stage compressor compared to a single stage and you'll find the savings in power alone will pay for upgrading to a two stage compressor many times over. This much lower cost of operation makes two stage compressors much more desirable. Unfortunately, some unscrupulous vendors will try to sell their single stage compressors that have two side-by-side cylinders of equal size and no inter-cooler as "two stage" units, so be alert if you find a "bargain".

For what it's worth, most two stage compressors come set for 175 PSI service which is too high for most air tools and shop uses that need 125 PSI. If air is compressed much over the pressure you need, energy is wasted. You also just end up reducing tank pressure to line pressure at your regulator. My friend Forrest says there are significant advantages for most hobbyists to reduce that tank pressure. You can do so by resetting the pressure switch to kick in at 105 PSI and out at 125 PSI. He also recommends changing out the motor pulley for one about 30% larger (calculate the actual diameter using Boyle's Law and common sense). These two changes is will give you more air delivery, lower duty cycles, cooler compressor operation, and lower power bills. Any extra wear caused by higher pump speed is more than offset by the lower pressures and lower head and reed valve temperatures.
 
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As with any worthwhile project, I first defined my needs and my wants. In this case I wanted a top quality compressor for personal use, but would use it for a host of activities that I knew little about. I made a list of my requirements and what I knew of air compressors. I then went to the on-line web sites for the more respected air compressor makers and added to my list those features that they felt made their products superior. I then added to that growing list information from the better air compressor advice posts from the Badger Pond, the Oak, and Wood Central woodworking forums. My list ended up having lots of features, selection information and care information. I ended up with a many dozen page disorganized list with considerable contrary advice. I arranged all by topic and rewrote much so it made more sense. I then called upon my friend in the air compressor business to resolve most of the concerns. The ones that still left me confused I got help from Forrest Addy to resolve, plus I incorporated his emailed responses.

I first had to determine how much compressor I needed. I do mostly woodworking, some painting, and a little metal work. I own more than my fair share of tools, including stuff left over from a period where I did some professional auto body work. I have some nice air sanders, light auto shop tools, pneumatic wrenches, air powered metal saw, air powered tin snips, a small and large sandblaster, and a quite a few paint guns. I also wanted to learn how and get more into HVLP painting, so spoiled myself with both an HVLP touchup and larger spray gun. I looked over the literature for each of my air tools and hoped for air tools making a list of what they needed in terms of pressure, cubic feet per minute (CFM) and what the duty cycles were on my tools. I learned the hard way years ago that if a random orbit sander maker says their unit needs 6 CFM at 90 PSI, it is really going to need about 50% more meaning about 10 CFM airflow. If a 4" disk sander requires 9 CFM you need an 18 CFM compressor to provide enough air, otherwise, you waste time waiting for the compressor to catch up. According to traditional wisdom, I sized my compressor at about double the largest air demand to make sure I got an appropriate compressor for my shop. All of my tools were 100% duty cycle meaning they could run as long as I wanted. Some tools, especially motors used in consumer air compressors need to only be run a percentage of the time or they will overheat then burn up.

My friend that owned the air compressor shop looked over my list of tools and their air requirements with me. As soon I mentioned I had spray guns and other air tools like my in-line sander, sand blaster, and a rotary sander, he said I had left the 115 volt plug-in-the-wall-outlet compressor bracket. He said all my air tools were under-rated for air consumption and very inefficient, even my expensive industrial tools. He said I need about 5 HP of compressor power to generate 1 HP of air tool power!

My friend Forrest added to this saying I should seriously consider giving up on my pneumatic sanders left over from ancient days when I used to do a little professional automotive body work. He said he uses electric sanders and avoids the whole problem of large compressors and rotary air tools with their carried over oil and water sprayed on his almost ready to paint projects. The electric 4" sanders have 115 volt 6 Amp motors that draw about 1/7 the juice of a 240 Volt 22 Amp compressor motor.

Here's a list of applications and motor HP and electrical demand in ascending order:

Fill bicycle tires or run a nailer 1/2 to 1 HP (10 Amp @ 120 Volts)

Using a detail spray gun 2HP (9 Amp at 240 Volts) Because of its considerably reduced need for airflow, this is what most hobbyists should consider instead of buying a large industrial type gun.

General automotive use where air ratchets and impact tools are employed 3 to 5 HP (12 to 22 Amps @ 240 volts

Running a blast cabinet 3 to 7.5 HP depending on nozzle diameter (12 to 33 amps @ 240 Volts)

A typical spray gun requires 5 to 8 CFM. Doubling the largest rating equals 16 CFM. That requires a real 5 HP two-stage compressor whose induction motor draws 22 Amps @ 240 Volts.

My HVLP spray guns require 9 to 11 CFM which can easily exceed even the capacity of that 5 HP two-stage compressor!
 
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Based upon my set of tools, my friends said I had two choices. I could buy at least a 60-gallon tank with not less than a real 5 HP motor powering a two-stage compressor that will deliver at least 11 CFM at 90 PSI. Alternatively, I could buy a smaller unit and keep using patience as I did with my Craftsman while waiting for recovery and make sure I gave it time to cool down after use. The cost difference is about double, I decided on a quality smaller unit, but not too small.

Here is the list of things they told me and that I already knew to consider in my air compressor purchase:

Buy an oil bath unit because the oil-less tend to have heating problems that would not be good for the amount of spraying and sanding that I do, plus they are much more noisy.

They said there are two compressor preferences. Many prefer big slow pumps as they will wear forever. Others prefer midsized units with a fast motor to permit quick recovery. My friend with the air compressor shop prefers the slow movers. He recommends using top quality synthetic oil that you change as needed, depending on use, but not less than once a year. He uses the Ingersoll Rand synthetic oil because it is readily available at Home Depot.

I also needed to decide if I wanted a stationary compressor or one that I could move around. For portability most like a horizontal under 40 gallon tank or one with a short squat vertical tank and wheels. The tall ones were reported in the forums as having too high of a center of gravity so are dangerous for one person to try to move alone. We need two people to move or install the larger vertical tank air compressors. Many like the vertical tanks because they use less floor space. The horizontal tanks often will fit nicely under a bench or work table. The big ones should be moved in and left in place because they are so heavy. All need access and plenty of airflow so they can stay cool.

Buy one with a motor rated for continuous duty, preferably a good American made motor with 100% duty cycle rating. My sanding and painting makes me an infrequent hard user, which is something many inexpensive imported limited duty motors were never meant to handle.

Get one with at least a 30 gallon tank, anything less is going to not have enough reserve to let me run either my HVLP or larger air tools for very long before having to wait for recovery.

Find a unit with an easily accessible drain line and replace it with a cable pull drain. Apparently, until you get in the hundred plus dollar range, the automatic drains are not worth bothering with.

Buy one with an oil sight gauge that makes it easy to check the oil every time the unit is used, then make sure you check it each time!

Buy one that makes it easy to change the oil. Many have the drain plugs setup so all you can do is make a huge mess draining your oil all over your compressor. He said he often replaced drain plugs with an oil drain line that he made up with a valve. This let the end of the oil drain go into a bucket for an oil change without giving the compressor an oil bath.

Buy one with a built in muffler or that can add one later.

If I buy an upright, go to an air compressor store and buy four of the rubber or neoprene and cork vibration pads to set that unit on to significantly reduce the noise level.

Make sure the unit has or buy a dual set of gauges, one for the tank pressure, and the other for the line pressure. Put another gauge on fittings so it can sit right before my paint spray guns, especially the HVLP unit.

Make sure to get one with or add a line turnoff valve at the tank and use it, as it is bad news to leave the hoses pressurized. Always let the line pressure out of the hose after use.

Buy all my air fittings at once from the same maker as mixing and matching always leads to leaks and frustration. They and many others said don't buy them from my Tools By the Pound store. Sticking with a popular brand name helps, as fittings can be added later and generally work without leaking.

Install a water filter with built in drain to protect my spraying. The size of that filter depends on how humid each area is. In my area, a tiny one is ample except in the wet winters.

Although there are many ways to plumb a shop for air, both of my experts recommended the same thing. Start with a heavy flex hose that connects the air compressor to wall mounted copper pipe. That flex hose takes care of the vibration of the compressor. Run the copper pipe up (or in) the wall and across the ceiling to a pull down self winding air hose reel located in the center of my shop. One recommended also running a line to my workbench and using one of those self winding curled little 6' hoses. Here is a site that gives a good idea on how to setup your air compressor lines and avoid water problems.

Copper pipe comes as either flexible tubing or rigid pipe. The flexible tubing is not suitable for an air line. The heaver "L" gauge rigid pipe is what I recommend but you can get by with the lighter "M" gauge. David Craig pointed out to me that the authority on copper pipe is http://www.copper.org/publications/pub_list/pdf/copper_tube_handbook.pdf and their Table 3 shows either the "L" or "M" rigid pipe in 1/2" diameter will work fine. My air compressor expert agrees. For sure use 1/2" pipe, as the smaller diameter pipe adds a huge amount of resistance and reduces airflow.

My friends recommended using sweated fittings to plumb the airlines and feed the hose reel. Don't forget particle and water traps at every service drop. You might want to look at this Copper Soldering Website for information on copper piping and how to solder.

Both said PVC works and is plenty strong, but not something either would use. When this stuff gets old or cold enough it becomes so brittle it can easily explode.

Install your air lines so that they drain any water to your vertical run(s). At the bottom of each vertical run, put in an inexpensive finger operated drain to get rid of any condensation, then regularly drain those pipes (the box stores sell the inexpensive CH units).

Buy a nice self-winding hose reel and mount it centrally on the shop or garage ceiling. The hose reel is not just a convenience it is also an important safety item as it keeps the hose under control if it should rupture.

Always buy a good quality air hose of at least 3/8" interior diameter with at least a 300 PSI rating. Make sure you limit your air hose to about 25 feet as longer lengths really degrade the airflow. If you really do need a long hose, seriously consider moving up to 1/2".
 
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So basically a single stage goes from barometric pressure to rated in one pass of the compressor. Where 2 stage uses one bigger cylinder as 1st and a smaller cyl as a 2nd to make rated pressure.
 
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