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I'm in the process of adding electric heat to my garage. What is recommended when joining 12/2 wires with a marrette.....should you twist the wires before the marrette is installed? Or is it recommended not to twist the wires?

Also, when joining stranded copper wire to 12/2 wire, should I twist these wires and then add a marrette?
 
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The only really well trained and schooled electrician I have worked with (2nd generation union) always twisted the wires and cut the end off so they are all even. Here on this forum someone went one better: twist an inch of wires and cut off all the marked up copper. Now, since the wirenut will leave some marks on the wire, I think this is a bit overkill.

But I'm not a really well trained and schooled electrician.
 

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My dad always twisted solid pairs or more. Stranded was wrapped into

the twisted pairs after twisting the solids. Solid and stranded were not

twisted, but kept straight. Every combination was final cut to the

proper length for the wirenut. That is how he did it, that is how I do

it. If working dockside, I pot the wirenut with RTV silicone, all wirenuts

are tucked so that if there is any water the wirenut will not hold water.

(Wirenut standing up.) Hope that answers your query.

Uncle Bob
 

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Wire nuts if you keep twisting hard will twist the wires without that extra step.
 

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Some makes of connectors instructions state that pre-twisting is not nessasary, that being said I am a pre-twister. "Marrette" is Canuckistani lingo. :D

There are supposed to be instructions w/ connectors when they are sold.
 

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Pre-twist and snip the end flat...wire nut and then a few wraps of electrical tape for extra safety (not really necessary but it feels nice).
 

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Pre-twist and snip the end flat...wire nut and then a few wraps of electrical tape for extra safety (not really necessary but it feels nice).

If you are going to use electrical tape stay away from the bargain "10 for a $1" stuff. That is for fixing leaky garden hoses !

3M Super 88 is the best !
 

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I LOATHE people that tape wire nuts.

It is a alert that a ***** was there before you. They were too inept to do the job right, the connectors will prob. fall off & there might be strands & exposed conductor peeking out from the bottom.
 

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If your combining stranded with solid wire, it helps to "lead" the stranded wire slightly. Especially if your joining one solid with one stranded. This keeps the stranded conductor from just wrapping around the solid conductor and not being gripped by the wire connector.
 

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It is a alert that a ***** was there before you. They were too inept to do the job right, the connectors will prob. fall off & there might be strands & exposed conductor peeking out from the bottom.

Interesting...obviously not calling me a ***** though right? :) You could yank pretty hard on the wire/wire nuts and nothing would come apart. The electrical tape is just some OCD.

And yes of course, no cheapy $1 electrical tape for me, drives me insane.
 

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I LOATHE people that tape wire nuts.

Agreed! Usually means the wire nuts they had were so oversized they don't even bite the conductors and the tape is the only thing keeping the nut on.

It also gets nasty sticky residue all over your hands every time you unwrap one.

Sent from the toilet using charmin ultra
 

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Interesting...obviously not calling me a ***** though right? :) You could yank pretty hard on the wire/wire nuts and nothing would come apart. The electrical tape is just some OCD.

And yes of course, no cheapy $1 electrical tape for me, drives me insane.

and thats why I use thread locker on my lug nuts so they dont fall off:lol_hitti
 
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So far I have learned that pre-twisting the wires, soldering them and then putting a wire nut covered with shrink tube is overkill.

Seriously, some of the wires in my house are soldered and taped. Not a wire nut to be found. Apparently they did things differently in the 20's. That was on BX type cable.
 

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I always twist wires with my linemans even if I'm using a wire nut. It only takes a few seconds longer and I just believe in doing it right.
 

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Wire nuts if you keep twisting hard will twist the wires without that extra step.

Yes, but it takes a little extra skill to get them all lined up nice and parallel first, so they twist evenly.

This is how I usually do it, but there is one important step here. If a wire somehow slipped behind the others, it may not end up twisted with the rest of the pack. Once you have it nice and tight, give a good tug on each individual wire, to be sure they're all together, if you choose to do it this way.

If your combining stranded with solid wire, it helps to "lead" the stranded wire slightly. Especially if your joining one solid with one stranded. This keeps the stranded conductor from just wrapping around the solid conductor and not being gripped by the wire connector.

THIS is great advice! You cannot pre-twist a solid and stranded mix. The more flexible stranded will just wrap circles around the solid. The point of twisting is to get both wires to coil around each other, so they lock together.

One other piece of advice. Be very careful how you strip the wires. Put a nick where you strip a solid wire, and the whole end may want to break off. Do this in stranded, and you lose strands.

Seriously, some of the wires in my house are soldered and taped. Not a wire nut to be found. Apparently they did things differently in the 20's. That was on BX type cable.

In my house, I have cloth insulated BX with soldered connections. They twisted, soldered, and then held it together with a solid ceramic wire nut. It isn't bad if you don't plan on messing with it, but open it up, and things become a nightmare to work with.
 

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I agree. I always give each wire a tug before I know all connections are good
 

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Always twist them before the Marrette goes on!

If you have to use tape for any reason, 3M Super 88 is the stuff!
 
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I give them enough twist to hold them in place then I screw the nut on and tighten with my linesmen pliers or one of those nut spinners pictured below. They work surprisingly well.

I never tape my nuts! (Okay that sounds wrong!) But I do run a couple loops of super 33 tape around recepticals and switches in multi-gang boxes or anything in a metal box...

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(Not my pics, just stuff I stole off the net...)
 

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Pre-twist and snip the end flat...wire nut and then a few wraps of electrical tape for extra safety (not really necessary but it feels nice).

This is how I was taught but also I always fold the end of the tape over so the next guy can find the end. I was taught this by an old time electrician when I was working in industrial maintenance.
 

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I give them enough twist to hold them in place then I screw the nut on and tighten with my linesmen pliers or one of those nut spinners pictured below. ...)

Never seen that style of nut spinner before, is that Klein?

Tan twisters can be be tightened pretty well with a 5/16 chucked in a drill, fits on the end of the wire nut, wind her up :)
 

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I think the one in the picture is Klein. Mine is a Greenlee.

It looks like a Klein, but I haven't seen that one either.
Ideal makes a 10-in-1 ratcheting type screwdriver, with a recess in the back of the handle that fits these wire nuts. I believe the insert is ratcheting too.

Honestly, I've never had to do so many that my fingers got tired of tightening the ones with the "wings". I do prefer the ones with the elongated rubber skirt, for better coverage. Never tape.

OTOH, if I'm I have any concern about these vibrating loose, I do not use tape or wire nuts. I'll either use the crimp version of these, or some sort of crimped fastener.
 

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Why do you Canucks insist on calling all wire nuts by a particular brand name?

Oh, wait ...
 

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I twist stranded to be more solid if attatching to solid, and sometimes I use rubber splicing tape (yeah the real pia stuff- sometimes I even can't stand myself..) when I feel it is needed.
 

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Who ever knew it could grow into so many responses....

Tape on any Nut is a hack (or universally seen as a hack).

Solid on Solid. I always twist, cut and then nut. Old habits are hard to change.
On 2-3 wires, I twist up to the bare. If I've got let's say a bundle of 5 , I'll twist till 1" of the insulated is twisting.

Stranded on Solid. I just wrap the stranded with the nut....and the nut takes care of everythng.
 

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Why do you Canucks insist on calling all wire nuts by a particular brand name?

Oh, wait ...

Like Wirenuts® :D

If recessed cans are called "pot lights" or calling wire nuts "Marrettes" we know they are Canukistani. :D
 

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I'm in the process of adding electric heat to my garage. What is recommended when joining 12/2 wires with a marrette.....should you twist the wires before the marrette is installed? Or is it recommended not to twist the wires?

YES. :thumbup:

You will get as many answers pro as con. Just make sure they are tight with no bare copper showing, and use the right size wire nut.
 

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Just FYI kids. . ."Wire-nut" is as much a brand name as "Marrette" is.

They are technically called "pressure wire connector" or "twist on wire connector".

Marrette is the brand name used by the company that invented them.

Search Canadian home depot site. . .all marrette. American there are none.
 

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Just FYI kids. . ."Wire-nut" is as much a brand name as "Marrette" is.

They are technically called "pressure wire connector" or "twist on wire connector".

Marrette is the brand name used by the company that invented them.

Search Canadian home depot site. . .all marrette. American there are none.

Just to poke some fun, a American company, T&B owns them.

http://www.tnb.ca/en/products/marrette-wire-connectors/
 

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I saw that. They actually invented them. Strange that an American invention isn't sold in America. I wonder what the story is?

I know Henry Ford killed Robertsons chances (square drive bits). . . Maybe the same tale?
 

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I saw that. They actually invented them. Strange that an American invention isn't sold in America. I wonder what the story is?

I know Henry Ford killed Robertsons chances (square drive bits). . . Maybe the same tale?

20+ years ago, I used some Marrette brand connectors, did not like them, prefer Ideal Wingnuts.
 
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