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Old SO hard handle now labeled Williams?

KnurledNut

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This would be a nice set to have for us that love the old style handles!
That $54 price seems reasonable.
Made in USA

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Here's the amazon link...great reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/Williams-100P-8MD-8-Piece-Premium-Screwdriver/dp/B002NH5F30/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

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Yup. I have a few sets of them around. Love them. Can't go wrong if you are a hard handle kind of guy.
 

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this isnt new, they've been selling them for years. Also some really questionable quality control on the philips.
 

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I got them around this time a year ago. I dont know how much you know about small engines, But compared to working on cars you use your screwdrivers way more, and bad screwdrivers get beat up easier, and poor tips ruin screw heads and cost more time. I use these drivers in my side business, and they are great. excellent tips, they grip well, have lasted a year of everyday use. The handles clean up well, they work good in greasy gas filled environments. (which is pretty much a small engine shop) all in all they are fantastic. I want to pickup the two stubbies, but i cant find them.
 

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this isnt new, they've been selling them for years. Also some really questionable quality control on the philips.

Williams had a manufacturing run of Part # SDP-2-8 get with unevenly cut tips in late 2011 and some made it into the distribution chain. When we went through our stock about 10% of the sets had a defective SDP-2-8. All of these were replaced free of charge by Snap-On Industrial and the ones we have been receiving since have been perfect.

How did quality control miss this?

It may seem odd but they do not monitor quality on each individual finished product they make. What they do monitor is the entire process. If the process is perfect, the tool is perfect. When a tool is found to be defective they review each process that made that tool and further refine the process.

How do defects end up on the street?

It is not like they don't care or have zero quality control and keep making duds over several months. They will make a thousand of 1 item in a day over a couple of work shifts that will take 3-6 months to sell down. The mistake is a percentage that may happen in 1 day over two work shifts. The mistake sometimes as in the SDP-2-8 case discovered months after they were made because it takes months to sell the previous production run and then the new production to get on the street. It also take more than a few defect claims to make them start a full blown manufacturing investigation.

When a problem like this is made known it goes up to national and regional managers for SOI, and then down to supply chain and manufacturing in Snap-On. The problem is known and accountable to the very the top Snap-On Industrial management. The affected SKUs and sets with those SKUs at the factory distribution centers are put on hold and an actual internal investigation of the entire process from materials to packaging is reviewed. When the problem has a solution they make a new production run again.

They do make mistakes occasionally as with the SDP-2-8. I am aware of last year 2 defective SKUs out of over 6,385 SKU last year for a .0004% (four hundredths of 1%) defect rate. The other SKU was a torque wrench rubber grip missing a hole.

At least with Snap-On behind the Williams/Bahco/CDI Torque you know if something is not right it will be quick.

Flawless? No

Extremely concerned about quality and reputation? Absolutely 100% yes.
 

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Most users know these only by the sets they come in. Williams also makes really long electrician screwdrivers with these handles but they do not come in sets so many people don't even know about those.
 

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Electricians Tip...does that mean the same as the Milwaukee ECX and Whia's Terminal Tip?
If so...thats just simply SWEET...hard Handled electrical tip!
 

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Most users know these only by the sets they come in. Williams also makes really long electrician screwdrivers with these handles but they do not come in sets so many people don't even know about those.

You got a catalog page or something you could share with all the individuals?
 

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Williams USA Made handle part # prefix codes:

SDP = Phillips

SDR = Slotted round shank (slotted end is wider than the shank)

SDS = Slotted square shank (slotted end is wider than the shank)

SDE = Electricians (slotted end is the same width as shank diameter)
 
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Not at all. You'll love them!

Again as I stated above in an earlier post, all that we have received in our own stock have since early last year have been perfect.

The best customer service is when it is not needed so for our inventory we even went through all our existing stock at that time and checked each SDP-2-8 ourselves and junked what we did not like.

It is highly unlikely any of the defects are still around.

I do not know where you bought your set but if there is a problem with it they should handle it for you.

If who you bought it from won't do it then I will get it handled for you. Just contact us through our web site, not through here because I don't get the time to hang here very often.

The warranty on your set is a lifetime warranty by Snap-On Industrial so no worries.
 

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Not at all. You'll love them!

Again as I stated above in an earlier post, all that we have received in our own stock have since early last year have been perfect.

The best customer service is when it is not needed so for our inventory we even went through all our existing stock at that time and checked each SDP-2-8 ourselves and junked what we did not like.

It is highly unlikely any of the defects are still around.

I do not know where you bought your set but if there is a problem with it they should handle it for you.

If who you bought it from won't do it then I will get it handled for you. Just contact us through our web site, not through here because I don't get the time to hang here very often.

The warranty on your set is a lifetime warranty by Snap-On Industrial so no worries.

Good to know, thanks.
I'd like to get some longer drivers of the same ones to match my 8pc. set.
 

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I ordered the 8 piece set from tools delivered this past weekend. cant wait , been needing some good screwdrivers for a while.
 

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It's good to see Tools Delivered back in action.


BTW - does anyone have any links to threads about the defective Williams drivers? I realize they should be gone now, but I'm still curious to read about them. I couldn't dig them up through a google search.
 
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I received mine today and only have 2 complaints: First, the Williams logo on the No1 Phillips is much thinner and far less white than all the other drivers. Second, the SDR-26 slotted driver has some gouges on the handle. I messaged the seller so I hope he steps up and takes care of the issue. Overall though, I love the feel and look of the set. I'll probably add a few more loose ones to complete a full set. :rocker:
 

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Is anyone else noticing that the "Williams" logo on the No. 1 Phillips handle is thinner and more faded than all the other logos? Not that its a huge deal, but on the two sets that I have purchased, they are both like that. Just curious if others are experiencing the same thing??
 

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Is anyone else noticing that the "Williams" logo on the No. 1 Phillips handle is thinner and more faded than all the other logos? Not that its a huge deal, but on the two sets that I have purchased, they are both like that. Just curious if others are experiencing the same thing??

The stubby phillips in my set has the faded or offwhite look to it. You can see it where I posted a pic of my Williams tools in this thread: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2830389#post2830389

Aw, heck. I'll just load that pic here. While I did notice it, I didn't see any other issues with the handle, and I figure it will get worn with use anyways. The only other thing I will say is that some of the flatheads are a little assymetrical on their sides when they were forged/ground. But that doesn't really affect the tips or function. My guess is, those minor flaws are due to relatively new production, and that they will get fine-tuned and better over time. I'd like to get a flathead stubby too.
 

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SDE = Electricians (slotted end is the same width as shank diameter)

I wish all MFG's would get on the same page in terms of nomenclature of tips...after researching it, the Williams Electricians tip is not what I wanted..I wanted this Tip:
http://www.wihatools.com/images/Insulated_Drivers/Xeno%20Insulated/307_Xeno_tip_px200.jpg
Pic is of the Whia Terminal Tip, Milwaukee calls it the ECX...

I am surprised they don't have the insulated shafts.
Insulated shafts are questionable in the grand scale of things...when do you work on live circuits? Of course accidents happen...

Last Friday I gave up on the Williams and ordered the Insulated Slim Line Whia's
 

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I wish all MFG's would get on the same page in terms of nomenclature of tips...after researching it, the Williams Electricians tip is not what I wanted..I wanted this Tip:
http://www.wihatools.com/images/Insulated_Drivers/Xeno Insulated/307_Xeno_tip_px200.jpg
Pic is of the Whia Terminal Tip, Milwaukee calls it the ECX...
Anyone know what the difference between Williams electricians' and SO/Williams(?) cabinet tips?

I'm not pleased w/the Williams flat blade SDEs I just received - they really seem too fragile (tips and shafts).
Thinking about taking a SDR/SDS and filing the sides of the tips straight or looking closer at SO.


Have I mentioned lately I really like the hard handles?
 
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