30X40X12 - After Fire Rebuild

[SpeedinLemon]

If only I lived closer I would have filled your pool with surface water for a great GJ discount, .. The pool looks great, you are about a year ahead of me on this portion of my garage build. Couple of question??? what is the lf' of the pool? I really like the size of it. Also how did they attach the wood post for the pergola? Looking great and yes fix that tractor tire.

Now that's a truck! Non-sandy water would have been great....We've finally gotten the water cleared up now though. The total linear feet of the pool is 106'. Roughly 18 X 39. It's 3.5 feet deep in the end closest to the house, 5' in the middle and 4.5 feet in the end closest to the shop. About 21000 gallons....that would have been a few trips right? Here's a closeup of the of the pergola post:

Basically a "U" shaped bracket lagged into the concrete and post attached on the side:
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Here's how they finished them off:
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Once I get this stripe licked, I'll have to get that tractor fixed. It was left behind the suburban a few years ago....it lost the battle, but did take out a tire on it's way down!!

 

[SpeedinLemon]

Some how I missed this thread, very nice build.

Thanks 930Dreamer!

 

[e-tek]

FUNNY!!>>> I hadn't seen this thread yet, so I read the first 3 pages, then skipped to the end to see how it turned out - imagine my surprise when the shop turned into a POOL!! Very cool departure.

THIS is a property I think looks great in many respects. great combination of all the stuff one wants and needs while not being too "over the top". Love the pics of your kids "helping". Great memories in the making.

I'll be going back through it now to see how the shop became a pool!

 

[SpeedinLemon]

Amazing transformation to your workshop and a beautiful pool and patio. A couple thoughts on paint:

To improve coverage with red paint, prime with grey first. Note this pick from roger55's garage (http://www.hotrodders.com/gallery/data/3435/Inside_Paint.jpg). I know, where was I a couple weeks ago? Also, if you continue to have problems with the paint sticking you may want to recoat the pealed areas with a PVA primer (available from Home Depot and most building supply or paint stores). PVA primers are used to seal raw drywall and similar materials. I would think the Kilz would have done the job but it sounds like it may simply have not sealed the texture you applied well enough (or the surface was still a little damp when you primed?).

Keep up the good work.

Thanks for chiming in JasonW. I think you're on the right track with the texture issue. I went back through the process in my mind and I had primed the raw wood before I put the texture on the wall. I should have gone back with another coat of primer after the texture. It's funny, because Roger55's thread was defininately an inspiration for the color scheme, but I missed the grey primer tip. More to come on the paint saga....

 

[SpeedinLemon]

The pool retreat is looking Fabulous!

But Holy Pool Equipment, Batman! Luckily, it looks like some of valves have electric actuators which will make life easier for you. To help house guests in our absence with the manual valves, I took pictures with our them in the various pool modes (normal, pool heating, spa heating, etc.) so they could just look at the picture and move the valves accordingly. While taking the pictures, I added some blue painters tape to each handle so there was no doubt which way it is pointed.

Just a thought.

I would have expected nothing less from you Shopnut! Good eye on the electric actutators...I can go from "Pool" mode to "Spa" mode with just the push of a remote button. Remote also gives current time, air temp and pool and spa water temp. There is one valve for each fountain and a few that I still have no idea what they are. At "Pool School" we're supposed to learn what they all are and what they do. We'll label everything at that time also. Good idea on the picures...I'll have to do that as well. Thanks!

 

[SpeedinLemon]

FUNNY!!>>> I hadn't seen this thread yet, so I read the first 3 pages, then skipped to the end to see how it turned out - imagine my surprise when the shop turned into a POOL!! Very cool departure.

THIS is a property I think looks great in many respects. great combination of all the stuff one wants and needs while not being too "over the top". Love the pics of your kids "helping". Great memories in the making.

I'll be going back through it now to see how the shop became a pool!

We've been jumping back and forth between the shop and the pool here lately....both going on at the same time. Thanks for the compliments...Kids helping out is definitely one of the highlights for me. Your place is great...lot's of activity over there. Not sure if I've posted, but I've read through quite a bit of your build. Now back inside the shop.....

 

[SpeedinLemon]

OK...Stripe Painting.....Take two....

I left the stipe inside alone for a few days, but the more I looked at it, the more concerned I got. Then I got to pulling on a few of the loose edges....Next thing I know, it's coming up in huge chunks:

Just a little at first:
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Then more and more:
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Before long, most of my stripe and a good bit of the surrounding paint was in the floor:
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The only spot that didn't come up was around the wires for the TV and speakers. It was the only area I didn't put any drywall texture:
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So I spent a few hours peeling (ever had a sunburn and peeled your skin off after a few days? This was kind of like that.) and sanding.
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After I'd sanded far enough back that the paint seemed to have a good hold, I wiped up the dust and primed well above and below the former stripe location.
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I then repainted the upper and lower colors back up to stripe area leaving a little primer showing in between:
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I layed the stripe back out (this is 3M Edgelock tape....says it stays sticky for 14 days) and painted the inside with the upper and lower color to prevent the capillary action as suggested:
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Picked up some grey primer as well:
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So....How do you think Stripe, Take Two turned out? Results to follow....

 

[JasonW]

I can only imagine the frustration involved in all that pealing. I'm glad you were able to find a solid edge without having to peal the whole wall. But hey, I guess you could go relax in the new pool when you were through?!

Looking forward to seeing the final product.

 

[e-tek]

Well that's a crappy turn of events - but it's gonna look great!

 

[SpeedinLemon]

I can only imagine the frustration involved in all that pealing. I'm glad you were able to find a solid edge without having to peal the whole wall. But hey, I guess you could go relax in the new pool when you were through?!

Looking forward to seeing the final product.

You're right Jason...very frustrating.

Well...after all the preparation and repainting...it's time for the moment of truth. I started to pull the first piece of tape and immediately could see it wanting to pull up some of the light green paint. So I put a new blade in my razor knife and scored along the stripe as I pulled the tape off. Results aren't terrible, but definitely not what I was hoping for! From 10-15 feet away it looks ok, but much closer and you can see where the darker green below has several places that are wanting to pull up. For now, I'm going to leave it as it while I decide what (if anything) to do. More than anything, I'm worried about how it's going to stand up over time. Here's how it turned out:

Not bad from back here:
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Closer inspection reveals the problem:
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Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions..I wish I were reporting better results. Any thoughts on where I might have gone wrong this time?

 

[SpeedinLemon]

Of course we're not letting a little paint trouble keep us down!

A few other items are getting finished up.

Got the last of the ceiling tin and center trim finished:
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Under cabinet light installed (I've got to find a better place for pool toys!):
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A few lights and signs up:
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Air hockey table moved in:
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Got my antique barn lights installed. Found them on ebay...finding a matching set of four took some time....I passed on quite a few that went for what I thought was way too much $$$. I used some plain metal junction boxes, drilled a hole in the cover to accept an EMT connector. I made the support out of 1/2" EMT and another EMT connector on the other end screwed into the existing top of the light. Overall pretty inexpensive and I'm happy with how they turned out:
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[Omphaloskeptic]

SpeedinLemon, I'm very sorry my suggestions didn't produce an acceptable outcome on the paint stripe. My remedy for the current situation may not work for your layout, but what I've seen done in some interior design mags is to further highlight the transition. I've seen this done where the designer wants to add a wall paper or paint stripe for accent between a wall color change or a wall to ceiling color change. In your shop, I would buy lengths of bull-nosed chair-rail moulding/millwork, paint them gloss white, or stain them as is your other woodwork, and mount two parallel runs over the color transition lines. From your photos, it appears that with the correct width of bull nose, they would ****-up snug to your wall plates and give you a nice clean finish and hide those ragged lines. The only possible hang-up I can think of is if you had some equipment that you wanted absolutely flush with the wall surface.

Another variation on this theme is to use the bull nose on the lower transition, and a shallow shelf (dish rail moulding) mounted atop a suitably profiled support trim. The support trim in this case would hide the upper transition line. The dish rail moulding has the added benefit of providing a groove on its top to securely display license plates, tin advertizing repros, or whatever. Good luck!

 

[SpeedinLemon]

SpeedinLemon, I'm very sorry my suggestions didn't produce an acceptable outcome on the paint stripe. My remedy for the current situation may not work for your layout, but what I've seen done in some interior design mags is to further highlight the transition. I've seen this done where the designer wants to add a wall paper or paint stripe for accent between a wall color change or a wall to ceiling color change. In your shop, I would buy lengths of bull-nosed chair-rail moulding/millwork, paint them gloss white, or stain them as is your other woodwork, and mount two parallel runs over the color transition lines. From your photos, it appears that with the correct width of bull nose, they would ****-up snug to your wall plates and give you a nice clean finish and hide those ragged lines. The only possible hang-up I can think of is if you had some equipment that you wanted absolutely flush with the wall surface.

Another variation on this theme is to use the bull nose on the lower transition, and a shallow shelf (dish rail moulding) mounted atop a suitably profiled support trim. The support trim in this case would hide the upper transition line. The dish rail moulding has the added benefit of providing a groove on its top to securely display license plates, tin advertizing repros, or whatever. Good luck!

Thanks again Ompha...and please don't take any of my frustration at how it turned out as me being upset with you or your advice. I very much appreciate you taking the time to post the suggestions and I'm sure that anything less than perfect turn out is a result of my failing to prepare the surface or something in my process (or possibly something with the paint??)...I think your advice and suggestions were right on. So if I came across as holding you responsible for less than perfect results, it was not intended at all!!

That being said, I do like your new suggestion for using molding to hide the transisition edges of the stripe. I have some narrow, but long cutoffs from some of the other trim I've done, so I may see if any of those would work. I don't think I'd like a shelf at that level, but I do think the molding is my best option at this point. How do think flat black would look? I painted the electric box that color and like how that turned out.

Thanks again for posting and trying to keep me on the right track!

Chris

 

[Omphaloskeptic]

Flat black work for me! It would make the other colors 'pop', and be super easy to touch up when the inevitable ding occurs.

 

[Nighttrain]

Looking really good. Try not to buy up all the neon here in Texas for your upper walls. I am slowly starting to look for my collection down here.

 

[NUTTSGT]

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Such an awesome view and looks inviting.

 

[Shoottx]

Such an awesome view and looks inviting.

Yup

Once the Texas hold'em tournaments start he'll never get his GJ buddies to leave. Bust out then go for a swim, sit around in the comforts of home, a few refreshments and wait for the next round to start. WoooHoo

 

[shopnut]

I like the railway sign above the doors Speed. Really fits nice up there nicely.

Well heck, it all looks great, to be completely honest! Who's your decorator and can I borrow them for a while?

 

[SpeedinLemon]

Thanks for all the comments guys!

Been working on a few things in the shop....

First up...an entertainment center for stereo equipment, etc... Top left compartment will be X-box, Wii, Dish receiver and disc player of some kind. Top right will be stereo recievers. Middle two shelves will be DVD and game discs. Bottom shelf for controllers, etc... TV is mounted (Open box isle at BB was golden this weekend)!

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TV is mounted on an articulating, swivel mount previously recommended by Roger55 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WL0I1I/?tag=atomicindus08-20). I second the recommendation.

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Pretty simple construction...just glued and screwed...no fancy rabbets or anything. Very solid and won't need to support anything too heavy. Still need to do face frame and doors.
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Also made up a couple of shelves for speakers.

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[SpeedinLemon]

Happy birthday to me! I added a cord reel to get power out to the middle of the shop and keep the floor clear of cords.

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Of course cords in the floor may be the least of my worries....what a mess!!

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There's sawdust everywhere! But at 110 degrees outside, the only way I was working was inside with the AC running. Thermostat on about 85 with the fan going was pretty comfortable...and the pools pretty close for cooling off too!

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[shopnut]

Happy birthday to me!

/snip/

There's sawdust everywhere!

Happy Birthday buddy! (a bit belated, no doubt)

Just a word of caution about the sawdust and the A/C - make sure to check that filter often. Some friends of ours had trouble with their split unit while doing some finish sanding on the trim woodwork in their sun room. It made it past the cheap filter and plugged up the cooling coil badly.

I'm envious of the A/C right about now, you lucky dog.

 

[SpeedinLemon]

Happy Birthday buddy! (a bit belated, no doubt)

Just a word of caution about the sawdust and the A/C - make sure to check that filter often. Some friends of ours had trouble with their split unit while doing some finish sanding on the trim woodwork in their sun room. It made it past the cheap filter and plugged up the cooling coil badly.

I'm envious of the A/C right about now, you lucky dog.

Good point Shopnut....I figured I would need to keep a pretty close eye on the filter. I pulled it down and was pleasantly surprised to find a minimal amount of saw dust. Granted, I was just using the miter saw and table saw....no sanding. I still plan on putting in an air filter of some kind and need to rig up my shop vac especially on that miter saw....it's got a dust port and really throws the sawdust out with nothing connected to it.

I go the entertainment center finished to a usable state (Still needs doors). I think it turned out pretty good:

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Plenty to do, but work and travel is interfering with shop time again!

 

[Foxxtrot]

Just checked in again for the first time in quite a while. Everything is looking incredible!
I had a similar problem with the paint in my bathroom when my wife and I remodeled. I think the biggest problem in my case was using the latex kilz as primer. I don't know if that is what you used, but it all peeled off my walls much like your paint was doing. I ended up doing much the same, peeling off the paint, sanding, and doing some touch up with the drywall. I then primed again with the oil-based kilz. Then painted normally. This fixed my problem. I'm not sure why but the paint never seemed "cured" the first time. It is doing well now though. Maybe that info will help??

 

[BHR4CE1]

Great Space. Thanks for sharing.

 

[bashr52]

Wow looks great! I could never have a shop this nice without a big wall seperating the two, I'd have metal grinding dust, machine chips, and weld spatter all over everything. This will be a great place to hang out!

 

[richtersrodz]

Looking great.. When we painted our living room red, I had the primer tinted red at Home Depot, when I bought it. It was fresh sheetrock, so I was going to do a primer anyways, so I had them add red color to it. It knocked off two coats of final paint.

Pic:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1190&pictureid=11993

 

[Shrimp92]

Indeed, I looked at this thread quite some time ago and saw the fire pics. Fire is scary, with that being said your build turned out incredible. Very jealous of the pool. One question, where and how much did you swing that standalone stainless sink...

BTW...I started clearing today for my shop!!Finally

 

[porschedude996TT]

If only I lived closer I would have filled your pool with surface water for a great GJ discount, .. The pool looks great, you are about a year ahead of me on this portion of my garage build. Couple of question??? what is the lf' of the pool? I really like the size of it. Also how did they attach the wood post for the pergola? Looking great and yes fix that tractor tire.


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So answer me this, why does one need to have water delivered? Is it just being faster than filling from the water service or is it better water?

 

[SpeedinLemon]

So answer me this, why does one need to have water delivered? Is it just being faster than filling from the water service or is it better water?

Hey PorshceDude...Thanks for stopping by. If you haven't checked out NightTrains thread, it's worth the time....one of my favorite shops on GJ. The info about the water business starts here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42257&page=6

The cliff notes version: The area he lives in has very poor ground water, so well water isn't good to drink and most people use cisterns to capture rainwater for drinking...when there's no rain, water delivery is your best (or only) option. Check it out!

Given how much sand I had in mine from using a brand new well to fill it, it would have been nice to have fresh clean water....and having NightTrain debut the finished truck here was an honor!

 

[SpeedinLemon]

Wow looks great! I could never have a shop this nice without a big wall seperating the two, I'd have metal grinding dust, machine chips, and weld spatter all over everything. This will be a great place to hang out!

Thanks! NuttsGT has already pointed out that he's looking forward to the acutal "work" shop. I plan to hang out and do projects. We'll see how it goes!

Just checked in again for the first time in quite a while. Everything is looking incredible!
I had a similar problem with the paint in my bathroom when my wife and I remodeled. I think the biggest problem in my case was using the latex kilz as primer. I don't know if that is what you used, but it all peeled off my walls much like your paint was doing. I ended up doing much the same, peeling off the paint, sanding, and doing some touch up with the drywall. I then primed again with the oil-based kilz. Then painted normally. This fixed my problem. I'm not sure why but the paint never seemed "cured" the first time. It is doing well now though. Maybe that info will help??

Good to hear from you again. Latex Kilz is exactly what I used. One round of sanding and repainting is all I'm willing to do on this. I'm going to put some wood trim on the paint lines and call it good. Seems like curing might be part of the problem....I'm really not sure.

Looking great.. When we painted our living room red, I had the primer tinted red at Home Depot, when I bought it. It was fresh sheetrock, so I was going to do a primer anyways, so I had them add red color to it. It knocked off two coats of final paint.

Good to hear from you again to Richter....where were you a month ago? I never thought about having the primer tinted....makes sense though!

Indeed, I looked at this thread quite some time ago and saw the fire pics. Fire is scary, with that being said your build turned out incredible. Very jealous of the pool. One question, where and how much did you swing that standalone stainless sink...

BTW...I started clearing today for my shop!!Finally

Hi Shrimp...Thanks for the compliments. We are enjoying the pool and the building is coming along slow but sure! The sink i found online originally, but actually bought it from a wholesale restaurant supply just north of Dallas. I wish I had the time and the knack for finding the good used stuff, but this wasn't too bad. I think it lists around $500 and I got it for around $375 with the faucet. It's a fairly common model and several online sites have it. If you're interested I'll get the exact make/model for you.

Thanks for the comments and suggestions guys....much appreciated.

 

[kev98gsx]

Looks great. Had a good time reading this thread. Keep up the good work.

 

[SpeedinLemon]

Hey Guys! It's been a while...you know with all the relaxing by the pool and all, it's been tough to get much done in the shop!

Actually it's just been crazy busy (4 kids, wife and I both working and life in general will do that to you!).

I must say the poolhouse side of the shop got put to good use and was host to many gatherings through the summer and as recently as this past weekend. It's been a great space and we've gotten a lot of use out of it. The shop side however has been a little neglected...lot's of unfinished projects and still lots of plans to get it back into "ship-shop" shape.

One of my biggest complaints after the fire has been that almost every tool and piece of equipment I salvaged from the fire is rusty, grimy and has lost that "come pick me up and use me" appeal. So last week I actually found myself in the shop with some time and chucked up a wire wheel and 3M - EXL wheel in the grinder and started cleaning wrenches, pliers and anything rusty and actually got my toolbox back in pretty good shape. Took out every tool, cleaned as best I could with the wire wheel and EXL (falling more and more in love with that every time I use it! Also vacuumed out the drawers of the toolbox and just generally made the tools more organized ready to work. Next, I grabbed the Shop King vice I picked up a while back. It had some paint dripped on it and I thought I'd lightly buff with the wheel and see what happened:

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Disassembly:
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Barely touching the red paint to the wire wheel just immediately stripped the paint to bare metal. So I decided to strip it completely. After about 15 minutes:
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And back together:
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Not sure if leaving it bare metal (with a light coat of oil?) is an option, but I really like the look. If I decide to keep it this way, I'll go back and clean off the small amount of paint left, but that wire wheel and EXL wheel really made quick work of stripping the vice. What do you think...repaint or leave it in the buff??

More to come, but this was a good project that got me back to some shop work.

Hope the New Year is off to a good start for everyone...

Chris

 

[shopnut]

With all the great feedback from forum members, I'm going to have to try one of those EXL wheels one of these days.

In my environment, I don't think a bare oiled vise would work. Not sure what things you use the vise for, but I think an oiled one would be attracting metal bits from all my grinding, filing, and hacksawing. Then I would have to wipe it off and reapply oil. Sounds like a constant battle and I would choose to paint it. YMMV. The original red looked nice.

 

[Bigrob88]

I think the pictures of your vice just cost me money...

my two cents worth... I like the red on it, may even get some silver paint and go over the lettering and the "art deco" fins

 

[Omphaloskeptic]

That vise has some great looking details. I'd highlight those details with color (red ?) and then hit with numerous coats of clear to prevent rust and make those details pop. Have fun with that little beauty!

 

[SpeedinLemon]

Thanks ShopNut, BigRob and Ompha...I did like the original red as well. There is something about bare cast metal and polished machined metal together that I really like though. I will probably enjoy it as is for a short time and then paint it. I will try to bring out some of those art-deco lines if I can come up with something within my skill level (or slightly above...gotta push it a little right!?!!).

 

[SpeedinLemon]

This post is more to test posting pics as an attachment rather than an imbedded link. Assuming this works, is this the preferred method for most folks? Seems like the larger images can make the thread load slower sometimes. Anyway...just a few catch-up images on the current state of the shop.

No major changes....a little rearrangement and a few new signs:

That WHITE fridge needs some color!




A little bit of Texaco swag came my way this Christmas:





And a couple images of the pool...I miss the days these were taken...I've had about enough freezing temps and various frozen precip...This is TEXAS after all!!





I don't think I had posted any pics of the removable fence we had installed. All the brown mesh fence is mounted in 1/2" holes core drilled in the concrete decking and fastened together with spring loaded clips between sections. It is completely removable when we want to open everything up, but most of the time it is in place keeping critters and especially kids away from the pool. Kids around the pool is always on my mind, but this provides a bit of piece of mind for that "He was just here a second ago!" panic moment.

 

[Omphaloskeptic]

Re: your fridge's color (or lack of it)

I was going to suggest you give it a 'flame job' or do as millions of Americans do, cover it with pictures and the kids' artwork! lol

Then I saw all the Petroliana you have and thought you might just cover it with more signage in that vein. To provide the 'proper background' for your reefer signage, I found this site to give you a snazzier finish to the fridge -

http://www.decalfx.com/

Maybe you'll find something there that blends with all the beautiful woodwork in the room and still has that automotive vibe to it, and then add some fun signage over top of it. Just my $0.02!



P.S. - I personally like this one (24" width x whatever length) -
http://www.decalfx.com/carbon_2_sheets.html

 

[tinbender 66]

Man, that whole place is gorgeous!! I could spend a lot of time in that room.

 

[NUTTSGT]

I think matching the wainscoting from the walls onto the fridge might look good.