littletoes
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Guys---Anyone know where connectors like these can be found??? I've been tearing the internet up, but can't find anything. These are out of the window switch on an '87 K5 Blazer.
Crazy Automotive-Connectors?
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GTOGreg
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that's a weird looking deal...looks like a hitch pin soldered to an electrical pin. Might be inclined if I were you to solder in a new type of connector to the post. In addition to being hard to find, that one doesn't look secure at all (or safe).
On second look, that gauge doesn't look appropriate for the connector size. You sure that is factory stuff? Sheathing is pulled away from the connector too, just looks kinda shoddy.
When all else fails, call M&H Electrical 562.926.9552
On second look, that gauge doesn't look appropriate for the connector size. You sure that is factory stuff? Sheathing is pulled away from the connector too, just looks kinda shoddy.
When all else fails, call M&H Electrical 562.926.9552
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gayler
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How about item number PT188 or PT 546? http://www.acdelcotechconnect.com/pi/wiring-connectors/gm/pigtails/6-cavity/female/ It looks like part of the connector is gone off yours exposing the terminals. The pigtails listed look different, but the terminal location looks the same.
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GTOGreg
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Here's another source. http://www.oehq.com/pigtails.htm
Yeah, looking like PT-188 may be it? I know that is a window switch harness for same era Monte Carlo.
Good luck.
Yeah, looking like PT-188 may be it? I know that is a window switch harness for same era Monte Carlo.
Good luck.
OP
littletoes
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Thank's for the help guys!
Gayler-I think you have a very close example on #188 or 546, but those connections look like they come in from the end (perhaps a GM 'improvement'?). Wish I could see the other side of the connector!
Don't know how you guys did this so fast.......Thanks again!
I wonder if the newer versions go in from the end???
Gayler-I think you have a very close example on #188 or 546, but those connections look like they come in from the end (perhaps a GM 'improvement'?). Wish I could see the other side of the connector!
Don't know how you guys did this so fast.......Thanks again!
I wonder if the newer versions go in from the end???
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gayler
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I just typed in GM wiring pigtail in my search. I used to have contact info from a company that made pigtails for all makes, but after being out of that line of work I've lost it so to speak! Glad to help!
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littletoes
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With a little more looking on one of those websites, here is a pic of the one I have-
http://www.oehq.com/oeparts_PT546.htm
This picture is the older version, the newer one takes the wires in the back side. It seems they are compatible.
They are proud of that little baby too! $32 wow.
OK, my first whimpy "wow" was premature...called the local Chevy dealership and they want $59 for the same thing....that deserves a true WOW.....talk about ****.
http://www.oehq.com/oeparts_PT546.htm
This picture is the older version, the newer one takes the wires in the back side. It seems they are compatible.
They are proud of that little baby too! $32 wow.
OK, my first whimpy "wow" was premature...called the local Chevy dealership and they want $59 for the same thing....that deserves a true WOW.....talk about ****.
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GTOGreg
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Call M&H at the number above. That's what they do is electrical harness fabrication for automotive. They may be able to help. If that fails, a salvage yard might be your next best bet. assuming you've checked ebay already?
tcianci
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This is supposed to be a forum where guys help each other, not display their concern for the adequacy of a design they've never seen before or don't understand. Or even worse using the thread to throw a jab at a manufacturer they may not like. What the OP is showing is part of a typical GM power window switch connector and while the part purchased new may be expensive, there are millions of them in boneyards and often are free for the clipping. That design has been in use for DECADES and is up to the task.
GTOGreg
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dont know who this was directed towards but we were trying to help the fella. who's throwing jabs? jeebus dude. agree with boneyard
Another resource is Aeromotive.
You send them a photo and they will get a match.
http://www.aeromotive.us/
they also rebuild harnesses.
You send them a photo and they will get a match.
http://www.aeromotive.us/
they also rebuild harnesses.
OP
littletoes
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--no jab's received here! 
just lots of help! Thanks to all!
just lots of help! Thanks to all!
wssix99
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Those are "Pin Grip" terminals made by Delphi. They come straight like that, or at a right angle, like a flag terminal.
Is that picture from the door harness that plugs in to your door locks or window switches?
Do you need terminals or the whole connector with the pigtail? Mouser sells the terminals and some of the connectors. If you need the whole connector with a pigtail, there will be a GM part number for it, which a dealer can lookup.
BTW - I had to rebuild a wire harness in my '99 Firebird and needed some of these terminals. They were a total bear to find and I had to pour through hundreds of Delphi shop drawings to find the correct one. The emotional scars from that exercise are deep...
Is that picture from the door harness that plugs in to your door locks or window switches?
Do you need terminals or the whole connector with the pigtail? Mouser sells the terminals and some of the connectors. If you need the whole connector with a pigtail, there will be a GM part number for it, which a dealer can lookup.
BTW - I had to rebuild a wire harness in my '99 Firebird and needed some of these terminals. They were a total bear to find and I had to pour through hundreds of Delphi shop drawings to find the correct one. The emotional scars from that exercise are deep...
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budl
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Try NAPA auto parts. I have bought several Delco switches and pigtails from them.
Bud
Bud
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littletoes
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I could have gotten by with just ONE terminal, and when I called the local GM dealer, they could only get the connector for $59, and it wasn't in stock...but I needed my window up as soon as possible, so I did the next thing, I soldered the broken wire to the connector, and it's working fine now.
Bud-I went to NAPA, we went through their books, but couldn't find anything.
wssix99
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Yea, you won't find these at NAPA. These are really hard to come by individually, although most GM dealers should have them stocked in their Terminal Repair Kits. (You may need a friend there to get them to sell them to you individually. The guys working in the shop will have them, but the parts guys won't have any idea what they are!) I was able to procure them through a dedicated terminal/auto wiring supplier.
For future reference, if anyone needs them - here are the GM/Delphi part numbers.
Pin Grip Terminal - Straight - Female - 18-12 ga - 02962516 (these should be the ones in the OP's picture above)
Pin Grip Terminal - 90° - Female - 18-16 ga - 12089448
Pin Grip Terminal - 90° - Female - 14-12 ga - 12089446
For future reference, if anyone needs them - here are the GM/Delphi part numbers.
Pin Grip Terminal - Straight - Female - 18-12 ga - 02962516 (these should be the ones in the OP's picture above)
Pin Grip Terminal - 90° - Female - 18-16 ga - 12089448
Pin Grip Terminal - 90° - Female - 14-12 ga - 12089446
gatchel
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I have used http://terminalsupplyco.com to get Delphi connectors in small qtys in the past. I figured this would maybe help someone down the road. Not affiliated in any way.
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wssix99
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I found these guys to be understocked and overpriced but they have most of the basics.
Other good sources of supply are:
- Mouser Electronics
- Eastern Shore Enterprises
gatchel
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I'm pretty sure they are a smaller outfit. I usually try to support the smaller ones as pretty soon we'll only have Walmart's left to buy **** from but to each their own. When trying to find anything it's always good to have as many sources as you can. Better chances of actually getting what you need.
ddawg16
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I suspect the offending post was promptly removed......tcianci is not one to get off topic very easy so if he found it to be a problem....chances are it was.
I can't offer any better help than what has already been tossed out there...but I will say....wow...some good info...
wssix99
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Terminal Supply is a small outfit with 8 locations across the country: http://terminalsupplyco.com/contact/contact_locations.aspx (They are a regional business, but I find it funny how they have a "world headquarters.")
Eastern Shore is even smaller. When I purchased from them a few years back, they were just a few people in one office.
wssix99
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Here's some more needed information on using these terminals regarding crimping. In order to get them on solid, a terminal crimping tool is required. Fancy expensive ones can go upwards of $200, but I think I've seen some simple plier-like ones at NAPA, etc.
Pin Grip Terminal - Straight - Female - 18-12 ga - 02962516
Wire Crimp 18-14 ga = "A" die
Wire Crimp 12 ga = "F" die
Insulation Crimp 18-14 ga = "D" die
Insulation Crimp 12 ga = "G" die
Pin Grip Terminal - 90° - Female - 18-16 ga - 12089448
Pin Grip Terminal - 90° - Female - 14-12 ga - 12089446
These terminals don't take to a standard crimper very well. I have been able to get an "A" die (smaller wires) or "F" die (larger wires) to work but the insulation crimp is odd and I had to do that with regular pliers.
Pin Grip Terminal - Straight - Female - 18-12 ga - 02962516
Wire Crimp 18-14 ga = "A" die
Wire Crimp 12 ga = "F" die
Insulation Crimp 18-14 ga = "D" die
Insulation Crimp 12 ga = "G" die
Pin Grip Terminal - 90° - Female - 18-16 ga - 12089448
Pin Grip Terminal - 90° - Female - 14-12 ga - 12089446
These terminals don't take to a standard crimper very well. I have been able to get an "A" die (smaller wires) or "F" die (larger wires) to work but the insulation crimp is odd and I had to do that with regular pliers.