Josiah_db
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Just wondering if the new Gedore ratchets are good, because my dads ratchets 35years ago they were ****, do ou guys have any good or bad experiences with them
Gedore ratchets? Are they Good
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Pumpman1968
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Everything I have seen with the Gedore name on it looked like junk......but I have seen a limited number of items.
Hako86
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I have not much personal experience with Gedore, but I think Gedore makes great quality tools! The worlds best brands are Snap on, Hazet, Stahlwille (just my opinion)... But Gedore is also top notch 
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Don't have any personal experiences with Gedore ratchets but here in my part of Croatia word gedore is synonym for ratchet.
Most people here call ratchet "gedore" completely unaware that this is name of company who manufactures tools.
Btw. does anyone know difference in durability of Gedore U-20 ratchets compared to U-10?
U-10 ratchets can be locked and have less teeth so one would assume they are stronger?
Most people here call ratchet "gedore" completely unaware that this is name of company who manufactures tools.
Btw. does anyone know difference in durability of Gedore U-20 ratchets compared to U-10?
U-10 ratchets can be locked and have less teeth so one would assume they are stronger?
Pumpman1968
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You might be right....I do think they said "India" on them.
billymade
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From the Gedore website; here are two dates that indicate when the India/Gedore relationship was active:
http://www.gedore-group.com/en/group/chronicle.html
1961 Majority Joint Venture with an Indian partner and establishment of GEDORE India
1986 Exit of the Indian Joint Venture, assignment of the trademark rights and name rights to GEDORE
Now, it seems they have opened a new subsidiary in 2011:
http://www.gedore.de/en/news/press_releases_details.html?oe_opt[oe_id]=128937
I think the cheap stuff that flooded the american market; was in the 1980s, I still see quite a few of those wrenches out at the flea market.... maybe when they closed the plant down?
http://www.gedore-group.com/en/group/chronicle.html
1961 Majority Joint Venture with an Indian partner and establishment of GEDORE India
1986 Exit of the Indian Joint Venture, assignment of the trademark rights and name rights to GEDORE
Now, it seems they have opened a new subsidiary in 2011:
http://www.gedore.de/en/news/press_releases_details.html?oe_opt[oe_id]=128937
I think the cheap stuff that flooded the american market; was in the 1980s, I still see quite a few of those wrenches out at the flea market.... maybe when they closed the plant down?
Everything that I have from Gedore is extremely good. It's the biggest manufacturer of Germany and one of the three best along with the Hazet and stahlwille.
Here in Greece we use all three of them but mostly Gedore because it has better representative. The Greek army also use Gedore (not only but mostly) for decades now. You can find tools which abused for years by different users and still hold up well.
Their appearance is not so fancy and the chrome not so glossy but they are very durable and strong.
I choose Gedore over Hazet or Stahl because I found them locally, in better price and because they are as good as the other two. The big difference between these three brands is the appearance and a little the design, not the durability (unless if it is a results of the different design). But the appearance is purely subjective and the different design serves different purposes. So if someone chooses what he likes and the design meets his needs then he can't go wrong with either three of them.
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Here in Greece we use all three of them but mostly Gedore because it has better representative. The Greek army also use Gedore (not only but mostly) for decades now. You can find tools which abused for years by different users and still hold up well.
Their appearance is not so fancy and the chrome not so glossy but they are very durable and strong.
I choose Gedore over Hazet or Stahl because I found them locally, in better price and because they are as good as the other two. The big difference between these three brands is the appearance and a little the design, not the durability (unless if it is a results of the different design). But the appearance is purely subjective and the different design serves different purposes. So if someone chooses what he likes and the design meets his needs then he can't go wrong with either three of them.
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gedore is way too overpriced...btw all cracked sockets i have seen at a flea market were gedore lol...and i have seen way too many cracked sockets made by gedore germany and all 6pt,cant tell how good are ratchets since i have never used one...but like i said not a fan of gedore.
marlinspike
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Gedore is among the very best.
Nothing special.
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@lok
What are you want now? We talk about Gedore handtools, not Klann...(even there are much better special tools), also I don't say Habero (another brand which just belong to geodre).
The hand tools are clunky, big, cheap chromed and without new innovations...other brands do it better. But that's not the point.
Gedore builds pro tools for sure. KLANN is often overpriced and has many imported tools.
Top notch are the Habero hammers.
What are you want now? We talk about Gedore handtools, not Klann...(even there are much better special tools), also I don't say Habero (another brand which just belong to geodre).
The hand tools are clunky, big, cheap chromed and without new innovations...other brands do it better. But that's not the point.
Gedore builds pro tools for sure. KLANN is often overpriced and has many imported tools.
Top notch are the Habero hammers.
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marlinspike
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While Gedore tools are bigger than Stahlwille, they're also stronger, and they're no bigger than Hazet generally. I see no problems at all with the chrome of Gedore. Seems to be very durable.
What?
You said "You get almost everything from them but nothing special" speaking about the basic tools and I put special tools which I think are overkill (except the torque multiplier). I thought it was obvious. But you 're right, too many videos off topic.
I know nothing about klann or special tools and I don't care who has the best.
About the hand tools.. I don't know what the "clunky" means.
I don't know why you say that they are big. I agree that they haven't new innovations, but this pretty much applies to all German brands. And I don't know what you consider as cheap chrome. The U-20 has 60 tooth and 6 degree angle when the u-10 has 11 degree angle (32 tooth?).
The mechanism is different.
U-10
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Actually this photo is from a ratcheting wrench but it's the same.
The U-20 is really very smooth but the U-10 is even more. Actually it is one of the smoother that I have try, if not the smoothest. It's really very impressive how little effort needs to engage the ratchet.
Also as you can see from the photo of U-10, when the direction level is in the middle position both directions are locked. It's engaged for clockwise and counterclockwise operation.
The U-20 came also in a pass through version while the u-10 not (unfortunately only in 1/2 for now).
But the u-10 came in extra long version 600mm.
Ow I forget it. The u-10 also came in a very light version of aluminum. 160g for 3/8 and 320g (if i remember correctly) for the 1/2 dr. The catalog does not indicate that less power should be applied.
I found it.. u-20
The new u-10 came with the blue, two component handle (bulky and ugly but very very comfortable). They have the same length. All components are metallic in both of them.
You're welcome.
One negative that I can think is that in the 1/4 dr the fitting is a little sloppy. In stahlwille the same (I have some). In 3/8 and 1/2 is alright. Hazet should have a better fitting in 1/4 but I haven't any to compare. Generally be careful with the 1/4 dr. In a lot of brands there is a free play which is a little annoy some times (Facom the same). But if it doesn't bother you..
What?
You said "You get almost everything from them but nothing special" speaking about the basic tools and I put special tools which I think are overkill (except the torque multiplier). I thought it was obvious. But you 're right, too many videos off topic.
I know nothing about klann or special tools and I don't care who has the best.
About the hand tools.. I don't know what the "clunky" means.
Cheap Chrome:
Gedore tends to flake off much faster than others...example > Sockets and wrenches.
Clunky:
Those ratchets like #1996 etc. are huge...also compared to others,...
But anyway, if you buy a gedore hand tool, you will get an item which will serve you for a really long time.
Pliers are also top notch...still, not those innovations like knipex has...
But what I hate are those swivelhead wrenches from gedore...around 30% bigger than hazet...(in socket hight).
I will not insist, obviously you has some experience to say that.
Do you mean 1993? The 1996 is a breaker bar.
Come one man!
Compared with what? Snap on?
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But between the German manufacturers there are no so huge differences.
Reasonable!
This..
Or this?
It's because they have the hole and you can use a tommy bar.
Just kidding, very expensive!
Yes, I meant that 1993 ratchet....and also yes...compared to snapon, my secret hate/love relationship. But not only Snapon, ....also Gearwrench, KTC, Koken, Nepros, Kstools, Trident, Armstrong, C-man, Cornwell etc. etc.
Also I meant the 2nd swivelhead version....Gedore fits them with an extreme thin slotted screw to hold those sockets, way to thin for a normal screwdriver. Hazet and Stahlwille use Torx/Phillipsscrews.
Come on germany, you can make it better...
Also I meant the 2nd swivelhead version....Gedore fits them with an extreme thin slotted screw to hold those sockets, way to thin for a normal screwdriver. Hazet and Stahlwille use Torx/Phillipsscrews.
Come on germany, you can make it better...
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Hahahah, best comparison ever !!!!
Hahahah, best comparison ever !!!!
Yes, I meant that 1993 ratchet....and also yes...compared to snapon, my secret hate/love relationship. But not only Snapon, ....also Gearwrench, KTC, Koken, Nepros, Kstools, Trident, Armstrong, C-man, Cornwell etc. etc.
Also I meant the 2nd swivelhead version....Gedore fits them with an extreme thin slotted screw to hold those sockets, way to thin for a normal screwdriver. Hazet and Stahlwille use Torx/Phillipsscrews.
Come on germany, you can make it better...
Sure, can make it better, but slowly. She has too many tools and too big catalog and can't be that innovative in all. And manufactures all its own in 'comparison with Hazet for e.g. that borrowed many tools from other manufacturers (pliers, screwdrivers for e.g.) and yet she has a smaller list.
Gedore has ratcheting wrenches, pass through ratchets, aluminum ratchets, corostop tools, ratchet for hi-lok bolts and go on. Two years ago gedore hadn't swivel socket but now she have for hexagon and torx screws. But she haven't yet long hexagon socket in 3/8 dr, only bi-hexagon. So it's not the time to deal with the swivel head wrenches. Hazet has better design in Swivel head wrenches so what? The retail market is not the principal purpose of those companies, here it's not America. Here all the tools provided by the employer and the employer will not deal with whether the hazet has better pin in swivel head wrenches or not. If choose gedore for hand tools will buy all the hand tools from gedore. One company, one dealer, one warranty, better discounts.
Inovation? German companies was the last who adopted the flank drive (AS drive?) in their tools. Hazet was the last one. Only this year produced the straight pattern double box-end wrenches with flank drive. I find hexagon 3/8dr socket from gedore with no flank drive and I bay them. But the fitment is perfect. No, the fitment is impressive.
Stahl only this year presented a tear drop ratchet with more than 24 teeth. Hazet still hasn't one (32 teeth?). Gearwrench has 100. Stahl still hasn't ratcheting wrenches not even with Taiwanese made mechanism.
Inovation belongs to Taiwan, all the new technologies developed there. The companies that have maintain the production in their countrys can not invest so much money in the development of new technologies because the production is more expensive. But gedore has the only serviceable ratcheting wrench.
So Hazet or stahl is not more innovative from Gedore. The Stahwille tools if they are less bulky from hazet then should be has lower strength because the production method is as good in both of them. The Gedore socket are identical with Hazet but Hazet are prettier.
The three big German manufactures, stahl, Hazet and Gedore, the Good, the bad and the Unlgy of Europe are the Audi, Bmw and Mercedes. Pick one! Which one is better? Facom was the beauty of Europe but now competes her Asians girlfriends.
And then we can't compare these three with the American because the target is different.
And we wont compare them with the Chinese distributors because all wants tools from Germany, Italy, France and America and none from China.
Well, best comparison ever!!!!!
But be careful, the ballerina on the left looks very fragile compared with the ballet dancer.
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Gotta love it when our good buddy lok talks about Gedore. Cool pictures abundant.
Not new photo today north, sorry for that but I have one for you.
Thats how the gedore looks prettier..
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shoturtle
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So true. I so much preferred US made pear head ratchet then German ones as they are way more slime
Sure, can make it better, but slowly. She has too many tools and too big catalog and can't be that innovative in all. And manufactures all its own in 'comparison with Hazet for e.g. that borrowed many tools from other manufacturers (pliers, screwdrivers for e.g.) and yet she has a smaller list.
Gedore has ratcheting wrenches, pass through ratchets, aluminum ratchets, corostop tools, ratchet for hi-lok bolts and go on. Two years ago gedore hadn't swivel socket but now she have for hexagon and torx screws. But she haven't yet long hexagon socket in 3/8 dr, only bi-hexagon. So it's not the time to deal with the swivel head wrenches. Hazet has better design in Swivel head wrenches so what? The retail market is not the principal purpose of those companies, here it's not America. Here all the tools provided by the employer and the employer will not deal with whether the hazet has better pin in swivel head wrenches or not. If choose gedore for hand tools will buy all the hand tools from gedore. One company, one dealer, one warranty, better discounts.
Inovation? German companies was the last who adopted the flank drive (AS drive?) in their tools. Hazet was the last one. Only this year produced the straight pattern double box-end wrenches with flank drive. I find hexagon 3/8dr socket from gedore with no flank drive and I bay them. But the fitment is perfect. No, the fitment is impressive.
Stahl only this year presented a tear drop ratchet with more than 24 teeth. Hazet still hasn't one (32 teeth?). Gearwrench has 100. Stahl still hasn't ratcheting wrenches not even with Taiwanese made mechanism.
Inovation belongs to Taiwan, all the new technologies developed there. The companies that have maintain the production in their countrys can not throw so much money in the development of new technologies. But gedore has the only serviceable ratcheting wrench.
So Hazet or stahl is not more innovative from Gedore. The Stahwille tools if they are less bulky from hazet then should be has lower strength because the production method is as good in both of them. The Gedore socket are identical with Hazet but Hazet are prettier.
The three big German manufactures, stahl, Hazet and Gedore, the Good, the bad and the Unlgy of Europe are the Audi, Bmw and Mercedes. Pick one! Which one is better? Facom was the beauty of Europe but now competes her Asians girlfriends.
And then we can't compare these three with the American because the target is different.
And we wont compare them with the Chinese distributors because all wants tools from Germany, Italy, France and America and none from China.
But be careful, the ballerina on the left looks very fragile compared with the ballet dancer.
calm down
marlinspike
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My Gedore 1/2" drive ratchet is wider but thinner than a snap on.
I convinced a friend of mine who works in a shop full of Snap On to try a Gedore 1/2" drive set. Now he has no interest in Snap On anymore.
Snap On brags that the Dual 80 can handle over 250lb-ft, which is quite frankly pathetically low for 1/2" drive.
As far as "innovation" goes, I've never seen innovation in a tool that wasn't just a gimmick.
I convinced a friend of mine who works in a shop full of Snap On to try a Gedore 1/2" drive set. Now he has no interest in Snap On anymore.
Snap On brags that the Dual 80 can handle over 250lb-ft, which is quite frankly pathetically low for 1/2" drive.
As far as "innovation" goes, I've never seen innovation in a tool that wasn't just a gimmick.
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shoturtle
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The 60t gedore is very nice. It is one of the prettier german made ratchets.