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That blows my mind. I learn new things everyday. lol.




So would a set like this be used on diesels, farm equipment, stuff like that?.
 

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3/4" and 1" drive stuff is BIG BIG BIG money. Usually used on heavy industrial and construction equipment, as well as 18 wheeler "big rigs".

Stuff like this needs 1" and 1 1/2" drive tools:

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Hey Muph, ya beat me to the photo!

What can possibly make this tool set worth $2,700 bucks?

One of these =
 

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Does anyone know anyone that's actually bought the 21/40k SO sets??? Insane...Quality, sure...but does tooling and materials really cost that much? C'mon.
 

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Does anyone know anyone that's actually bought the 21/40k SO sets??? Insane...Quality, sure...but does tooling and materials really cost that much? C'mon.

I'm sure I have, albeit purchasing on an individual basis versus the whole kit at once. It's more typical for industry to order the specific size sockets that they need and not have full sets when you start getting into the 1 1/2" and larger sizes.

Check out some of the larger drive sizes, many are $500-2500 PER SOCKET!
 

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Does anyone know anyone that's actually bought the 21/40k SO sets??? Insane...Quality, sure...but does tooling and materials really cost that much? C'mon.

I would not be surprised if tooling is very expensive due to such a low EAU. I would guess its damn close to paying for prototype parts which are expensive.
 

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Not even looking at the drive size, look at the socket sizes - 1 7/16" - 3 1/8". A 3-1/8" socket is $169 on McMaster and $240 at MSC. The smaller ones are a lot cheaper, but I bet most of the price comes from the larger sockets as well as the drive tools.

Bigger drive size = beefier components = increased cost. Larger sockets = more metal and more machining = increased cost.
 
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I do not get how bigger drive equates to ASTRONOMICAL increase in price!

no where near the demand for them means higher price, combined with increased size of the tooling needed to make some of them, which means less used tooling costs more for the manufacturer to buy to make those tools in the first place. combined with the uses and industry involved with them.


i have a bunch of 3/4" impact sockets left over from my last job, i wouldn't have a single use for them right now though.
 
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To add to the above with something like a SO tool a premium is probably added onto the price because of the warranty. A 4" impact socket is not really interchangeable for another tool. In selling a tool of this size SO is thereby committed to maintaining the ability to produce them due to the warranty. Selling that size of a socket probably carries a fair business risk to them as a result, considering that such a niche market buys them.
 

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I'm sure I have, albeit purchasing on an individual basis versus the whole kit at once. It's more typical for industry to order the specific size sockets that they need and not have full sets when you start getting into the 1 1/2" and larger sizes.

Check out some of the larger drive sizes, many are $500-2500 PER SOCKET!

Yeah, In my line of work on mobile machinery (not even all that big) we have only bought a few tools like that in the 17 years I've been doing it. I use 1" drive about twice a year for specific jobs and have the appropriate sockets to go with it. Buying one socket that costs hundreds by itself is one thing to get the job done, but I could not imagine the amount and type of work that could justify buying a huge "sets" like noted here at 10's of thousands of dollars...I think the shop that would buy that is very rare.
 

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Hydraulic tensioners/hydraulic torque wrenches.


It's just a little bit down and a little every month!

or manual torque multipliers.....


thank god i don't have to use those anymore, trying to hold a 20x torque multiplier with a 1.5 foot long handle (which weighs as much as the multiplier itself) at full arms length, up to an upside down bolt in a tight location. while simultaneously trying to crank it around to catch the side of the machine you are working on is insanely difficult. especially with a 1 7/8 socket on the end of it with 1" to 3/4" reducer


if you don't think so, hold 30 lbs outstretched with 1 arm for as long as you can, try for 45 seconds or more and then repeat 8 more times.


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god i wish that stupid company would have forked over money for some hydraulic torque wrenches
 
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How the heck would you be able to lift a 8" socket and impact, much less be able to get enough torque to get proper stretch on what ever bolt/nut is that big in the first place without snapping your arms off.

Usualy our IR 2 1/2" impact is held by a gantry or crane and still calls for a two man operation. 10,000ft lbs is no joke.
 

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those are mine for sale on here. A $2,800 set for only $500 plus shipping...one of you guys better jump on it!:rocker:
 

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Yeah, In my line of work on mobile machinery (not even all that big) we have only bought a few tools like that in the 17 years I've been doing it. I use 1" drive about twice a year for specific jobs and have the appropriate sockets to go with it. Buying one socket that costs hundreds by itself is one thing to get the job done, but I could not imagine the amount and type of work that could justify buying a huge "sets" like noted here at 10's of thousands of dollars...I think the shop that would buy that is very rare.

I stocked 1" drive, just like 3/4" drive in our tool crib. Albeit, generally our maintenance guys wouldn't keep but one or two sockets of such size in their tool boxes. The larger sizes in general were rarely used even in heavy industry. Outside of major construction and outage work or overhauls on exceptionally large equipment. But were needed for those times. For the most part we'd only stock the more common sizes and those we knew we'd need. I remember paying an astronomical some to overnight an odd sized 2 1/2" drive socket once, when it was discovered to be needed at the last minute. I think we paid over $5k for the one socket.

Usualy our IR 2 1/2" impact is held by a gantry or crane and still calls for a two man operation. 10,000ft lbs is no joke.

+1

There's usually mechanical assistance and a group working with them, although some times. If you want a real price shock, start pricing some 2 1/2" drive sockets... thousands per socket!
 
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WOW...................just when I was getting used to the Snap on Pricing....................
 

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When a mining company buys a fleet of 20 or so of those machines paying $2700.00 for a ratchet set is miniscule. Big companies like that maintain a "store" or warehouse where they might stock 20 of those sets along with tons of other tools.
 

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I have used big big impact a couple times, 2 of us and a crane, have used 2 man on 1 1/4 up on buildings a couple of times. All 2 strong men can do to carry one very far. There is lots of big air gun in Ironwork.
 

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The SnapOn example is just absurd. I don't buy for a second that the price has much anything to do with the cost to manufacture. $20k or $40k for a set of sockets? This isn't new technology with heavy R&D costs.

The Wright example makes more sense, there's probably very few sets sold in order to pay off the tooling costs. But I would guess the initial manufacturing tooling costs were paid off decades ago.

My guess is SnapOn got some sort of shady contract deal where some government agency is paying those prices, sort of like those stories you heard about the defense department buying $600 hammers, etc.
 

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The SnapOn example is just absurd. I don't buy for a second that the price has much anything to do with the cost to manufacture. $20k or $40k for a set of sockets? This isn't new technology with heavy R&D costs.

I would have to agree with you to some extent, but those those Snap-ons are 2 1/2" drive impact sockets.
 

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My guess is SnapOn got some sort of shady contract deal where some government agency is paying those prices, sort of like those stories you heard about the defense department buying $600 hammers, etc.

You also have to remember that government agencies and large industrial customers, the people actually buying sets like this, do not pay anything even close to retail. Their discounts can often be even better than the wholesale costs of truck dealers.

For what it's worth, even Wright charges around $2-3k per socket for 2 1/2" drive sockets. That Snap On set has 11 pieces, so Snap On's price isn't overly out of the ball park. Besides, frequently when industry needs equipment of this size and caliber... timing is a major issue. Distributors and even manufacturers often don't keep many of these sizes in stock, it can be challenging to get them at times.
 
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Not even looking at the drive size, look at the socket sizes - 1 7/16" - 3 1/8". A 3-1/8" socket is $169 on McMaster and $240 at MSC. The smaller ones are a lot cheaper, but I bet most of the price comes from the larger sockets as well as the drive tools.

Bigger drive size = beefier components = increased cost. Larger sockets = more metal and more machining = increased cost.

consider also the lesser demand for this stuff. when you don't mass produce them, you can't leverage economies of scale to bring the per unit cost down.

When a mining company buys a fleet of 20 or so of those machines paying $2700.00 for a ratchet set is miniscule. Big companies like that maintain a "store" or warehouse where they might stock 20 of those sets along with tons of other tools.

that may be true, but large operations like that sometimes also lease their heavy equipment and tools at a fraction of the full purchase cost to reduce project start up costs and financial liability (borrow less to start) until they can realize a return on investment.
 

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The SnapOn example is just absurd. I don't buy for a second that the price has much anything to do with the cost to manufacture. $20k or $40k for a set of sockets? This isn't new technology with heavy R&D costs.

I'm with ya. I've read the reasons....still call ********.
 

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That blows my mind. I learn new things everyday. lol.




So would a set like this be used on diesels, farm equipment, stuff like that?.

while those snap ons have some usefulness, those wrights are relatively useless. chrome sockets, ratchets, breaker???? for the most part, nearly useless.

ive posted some pics before, so im sure there is no need to repost, but typically, when it comes to those sizes, nuts are often torched or cracked with a nut cracker for removal. sometimes you cant, but most times you damn sure arent doing it with a ratchet or breaker. if its loose enough to remove with a ratchet, you can about bet it is damaged and needs replaced.

tightening usually involves using a 1" impact @ WOT, then properly "hytorqed" although a pneumatic geared multiplier, larger impact, or hydro impact/multiplier might be employed. chrome pretty much has no business in this arena.
 

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consider also the lesser demand for this stuff. when you don't mass produce them, you can't leverage economies of scale to bring the per unit cost down.



that may be true, but large operations like that sometimes also lease their heavy equipment and tools at a fraction of the full purchase cost to reduce project start up costs and financial liability (borrow less to start) until they can realize a return on investment.

this, like i mentioned in my previous post.

the tooling for these costs a lot as its not mass produced like the tooling for more common, publicly needed tools. which drives the cost up.

then the machines that make the sockets and wrenches you have in your box, probably wont accept the tooling for the larger stuff, which means entirely new machines. which can either be made in house like my company does, or they could be bought from other companies that used to make them for a huge cost.


add all of the extra costs together to make extra large and not very often sold sizes like 2 1/2" drive sockets, combined with the fact that you dont have the constant sales in stores and to the regular guy that drives the cost of other tools down. and you end up with a huge price tag. but its just the way it is. they probably did make back their investment some time ago, but the pricing isn't set so they make back their investment in literally a year or two, they may be in the hole in terms of production costs, man hours, etc, all to get started making that stuff. and they have a long term plan to eventually have it all paid for by itself, but that doesn't mean the pricing will change, it stays low enough that its not unwanted, but high enough that they will still see return investment in time
 
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